“Winston Has Turned Over Phone Records And Text Messages To The League”
March 28th, 2018
Anything to move forward the official NFL investigation into Jameis Winston’s conduct is a good thing.
Get this thing over with so the Bucs can know where they stand with their quarterback and face of the franchise.
One Hall of Fame voter, and a friend of Joe, has verified the NFL has at least done something since the probe launched last fall. Joe’s referring to Darin Gantt of ProFootballTalk.com.
“Winston has turned over phone records and text messages to the league,” Gantt reported yesterday.
Joe will take it. A forensic examination of Jameis’ phone could be a key element, especially when combined with the same examination of Eagles’ cornerback Ronald Darby’s phone. Darby and Winston claim to have been together in the Uber car whose driver accused Jameis of grabbing her crotch during a trip through a fast-food drive-thru in March 2016.
March 28th, 2018 at 9:53 am
Good deal! Clear this up and no suspension.
We need #3 in order to make a playoff run.
March 28th, 2018 at 9:55 am
J-miss has always been good about turning things over!
March 28th, 2018 at 9:56 am
….and currently the first three posts on JBF are about off the field problems. Says a lot.
March 28th, 2018 at 9:58 am
Good for him but I can’t say I would’ve done that. There’s too much private information on your phone that is totally unrelated to that investigation for them to require access to snoop around on my phone.
March 28th, 2018 at 10:02 am
Obviously none of us have any idea what happened, but I know if I was guilty, I sure as hell wouldn’t turn over my phone. Hopefully this is a good sign.
March 28th, 2018 at 10:12 am
I have a feeling Darby wasn’t there…… hope i’m Wrong.
March 28th, 2018 at 10:12 am
how many phones does Winston have ?
March 28th, 2018 at 10:13 am
ben Says:
March 28th, 2018 at 10:12 am
how many phones does Winston have ?
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This^^^! Just because he turned over “a phone” doesn’t mean it is the one he actually uses to text or call his friends.
March 28th, 2018 at 10:23 am
and so it begins!!!!!!!!
#NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!!….GO BUCS!!!!!
March 28th, 2018 at 10:31 am
Who has millions in the bank and uses the same phone they had 2 years ago???
March 28th, 2018 at 10:38 am
The Uber app should reveal a lot of info. And the text messages between Jameis and whoever else was in the ride.
But, so much for they aren’t even investigating because no charges were filed.
Sounds like they are.
March 28th, 2018 at 10:41 am
Clear you name youngman and file a suit against that lying skank and her bush league attorney… these liars need to be held accountable for their bs..
March 28th, 2018 at 10:43 am
ease up conspiracy nutssss…. it will be easy for the league to compare MAC addresses with uber records to match Jameis’s phone…
March 28th, 2018 at 10:44 am
PICKGRIN
It’s called a SIM card.
-Unconcerned Bucs fan
March 28th, 2018 at 10:45 am
BucFanFromOhio Says:
“This^^^! Just because he turned over “a phone” doesn’t mean it is the one he actually uses to text or call his friends.”
Except that by looking at the records, the NFL would be able to tell if he pulled something like that.
March 28th, 2018 at 10:47 am
Pickgrin Says
“Who has millions in the bank and uses the same phone they had 2 years ago???”
It doesn’t say he turned over the phone. It says he turned over the records. And merely logging onto his account can lead him to those, which he can then print out.
March 28th, 2018 at 10:54 am
The allegation is that Jameis jumped in the front seat and eventually grabbed the driver’s crotch.
What does a phone or phone records have to do with that. The ONLY phone call that could matter was one between Jameis and the girl or Uber. Uber has those records.
For a moment let’s just forget #3’s innocence or guilt. Regardless of which is true the NFL has totally scrwd the pooch with this.
TBBF pointed out how few facts are actually involved! This could have been checked out over a long weekend!
A woman simply asserting that you grabbed her crotch with ZERO proof is meaningless legally.
There is no “there” there to this case. A woman claims she was grabbed by a guy. The guy and his best friend deny that charge. He said she said.
It’s long past time to move on. If he did it he got away with it. If he didn’t do it she’s an evil trouble maker. There really is no good end to this story. Either the girl or Jamies has a serious character flaw. We’re never going to know based on this single incident…it’s time to MOVE ON!!!
March 28th, 2018 at 10:55 am
I don’t think Jameis has the option of refusing a request from Goodell/Himmler.
March 28th, 2018 at 10:58 am
Anybody know this?
Since Uber suspended his account, do they inform him of the specifics why? Or just say they suspended it.
Could be important for a potential suspension for violating league policy of not reporting such an accusation.
In other words, when did he know this woman said he groped her in the car?
March 28th, 2018 at 11:00 am
Always amazes me how cheap NFL millionaires are that they do not hire a first class limo service , or is it a complete and total lack of planning ?
March 28th, 2018 at 11:00 am
The more I think about this the angrier I get. I’ve never been a blind defender of Jameis but enough is enough.
IF he did this just suck it up and admit to yourself…he got away with it. If he didn’t do it we have to admit that the woman has serious mental issues. Neither outcome is really exciting to think about. I do not want to believe either Jameis or the girl did this…either grabbing or faking a charge that she was grabbed.
The bottom line for me at this point….NOBODY besides the girl and Jameis and perhaps Darby will really know what happened. IF I could eventually find out the truth I’d be all for it and getting some justice for either Jameis or the girl.
But we ARE NEVER going to know…it’s a quintessential she said…he said. Since there is absolutely no fair or just resolution to this is just time to let it go and move on. One of these two…either Jameis or the girl is guilty of something horrible. We’re not going to know who. This happens every day in America.
Just LET IT GO!
March 28th, 2018 at 11:41 am
StPeteBucsFan……translation……”Even if he did it, and there’s no proof, let it go”
March 28th, 2018 at 12:01 pm
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^ The only options are NOT that (a) Jameis did it, or (b) the driver is a lying nutcase.
In fact, the MOST LIKELY option is that the driver was told she was picking up a famous football player and his friends and during the ride, she was “touched” by a front-seat passenger, while Jameis and Darby were in the back-seat.
After the ride, she spoke with friends and they told her that her passengers were the famous QB Jameis Winston and his friends, and the driver just figured Jameis was in the front seat, not knowing who he was.
On top of the above, I also think it’s likely the front-seat passenger was lit and that he was just trying to hit on the chick like many lit idiots do. He (whoever he was) obviously was NOT an actual threat to the driver and was not doing anything “horrible”, just being an idiot, as even the driver admitted that all she had to say was, “What’s up with that” and he moved his hand and never caused any more problems the rest of the drive.
This entire thing has always been a non-issue, even if it was Jameis who did it. Nothing happened, a likely lit individual made a pass at a female driver and then immediately backed off and went no further after she said four words … this was never a story and never an issue and the whole thing has been soooooo dumb. Nothing “horrible” happened, no matter who was in the front-seat.
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March 28th, 2018 at 12:04 pm
It’s nice to know Jameis isn’t the “problem child” Tom Brady is though and that he didn’t try to destroy his phone and act like an idiot with Goodell … that Tom Brady, what a scoundrel and horrible influence for young QBs … Brady sure could use some lessons on how to act from Jameis!
Obviously, everyone will think I’m joking as Tom would never be considered a “problem child” … yet Tom did act far worse during his issue with the league than Jameis has …
March 28th, 2018 at 12:13 pm
Tmax, 90% of the posters on this site have let the media lead them by the nose for the last 4 years. They wouldn’t believe Jameis innocence in anything. They all took Kinsman’s side, regardless of all the lies. And they all take the Uber driver’s version as truth. Jameis kept his mouth shut during the whole Kinsman fiasco after he made his initial statement. So too, with the Uber setup. The man puts out his version and let’s the process move on. Seems like the responsible thing to do. Why keep talking when you have nothing to hide? All you clowns hoping he’s guilty of anything are low class chumps who can get fed anything and swallow it without any evidence. The fact of the matter is Jameis has done more in his 24 years than any of you have done in your life. And he’s done it regardless of your hate. You see, he couldn’t give a rats ass about any of ya’s. Lions don’t pay attention to sheep. Ya’ll are insignificant to him and his family. What the media has done to Jameis, here and nationwide, is shameful. Yet, he’ll be fine. Freaking morality police on this site. Open your closets.
March 28th, 2018 at 12:19 pm
Two out of four first round picks will be under investigation by the league….that takes a very talented GM.
March 28th, 2018 at 12:21 pm
^ Well said Gilhealhy!!!!!!
However, I honestly don’t think the Liberal crowd can comprehend truth … they have created a world of fantasy for themselves to live in and the truth enrages them.
March 28th, 2018 at 12:26 pm
I hope they’re not saying that he JUST NOW turned it in. What the heck have they been doing in this so-called investigation?!
gilhealy- “What the media has done to Jameis, here and nationwide”? I’m pretty sure that Jameis is going to be just fine. Lets not get things twisted, he did inflict some of his own wounds previously.
I believe that this will end up going away. It has lingered too long and it is a far cry from other “incidents” done by other players, if it is true.
March 28th, 2018 at 12:34 pm
Nfl,
There is particular point you mentioned that until now I haven’t realized.
Which is, how the goal posts if you will just changed. I’ll explain briefly.
You mentioned the sequence of events that ended with “No”. Key point, it ended
with “No”. Just recently the media campaign against unwanted male advances was “No means No”.
This allegation is based on an advance before the No. If No means no, then the advance is not deemed unwarranted until the no. This charge is moving the process back in time . I guess men are expected to be psychics .
That’s a plus as I can answer my wife , yes…when she asks “what you a psychic”.
Arguments ended….
Thank you Jameis.
March 28th, 2018 at 12:45 pm
No one knows what happened…period. I’ve seen enough of the what if scenarios to last a lifetime.
March 28th, 2018 at 1:17 pm
Phone records/texts will do much to show who was in car with Jameis. If there’s a 3rd person in the car as Jameis says, and that’s confirmed, this thing is likely over. Again, question is if Jameis disclosed to the NFL who else was there. Questions will go from there.
March 28th, 2018 at 1:19 pm
I, like everyone else here have no idea what happened in that car. But this thing stinks of evil. This statement to me is most telling.
Kate the Uber Drive: “He sexually assaulted me, and I have every right to tell the d**n truth about it.”
There was no sexually assault, even by her own account of the night so why did she used words that she must have know were not true. She wanted to say this about Winston for whatever reason, but did not want HER name public when interviewed.
According to BuzzFeed; “said Kate, who did not want to be identified by her full name for fear of negative attention and potential backlash from football fans.”
I have no idea what happened but this as a minimum is off in the accountability department.
March 28th, 2018 at 1:36 pm
NFLNUT,
Tom Brady is the GOAT.
He was hammered for the inflation of footballs, NOT ABUSING WOMEN.
Those are two far different acts.
Sure, he didn’t play nice with the commissioner, but the accused acts are very much different, and Tom Brady is the GOAT, while Jameis is a middling NFC QB.
LOL at your Brady comparison. Football PSI is much less harmful than abusing a lady.
March 28th, 2018 at 1:41 pm
NFLNUT,
I hope the investigation proves Jameis is innocent. I believe he is, and we should be good to go.
However, I disagree with you calling it a “non-issue”. If Jameis gets suspended, then we have a major effing issue. Our playoff chances are torpedoed, and we are going to be looking for a new QB. No way in hell, if guilty, the Buccaneers will stick with Jameis.
With that said, I am excited for the upcoming season, and I look for Jameis to take some steps towards becoming a better QB in this league. He has the heart and the talent, looking forward to see if this is the year he takes the next step.
March 28th, 2018 at 1:52 pm
It’s to make sure him n Darby was both in the uber so if it want the same phone it would kinda screw him so I would think he’d make sure it was the right phone
March 28th, 2018 at 1:55 pm
Lot of leaps to judgement on this here subject. Lot of sensitivities being tested. Yet, there’s not a single person on this blog that knows a single iota of what happened. But heck, why not, lets call people with opposing unfounded views names and continue to debate an un-debateable subject.
Oh, to be a Bucs fan!
My only question is why is this taking so long?
March 28th, 2018 at 2:08 pm
@Walter
You captured my post correctly. I do not see how we’ll ever learn the truth about this and so to me it’s crying over spilt milk no matter whose milk was spilt. There is no proof….there is not going to be proof…it’s nothing but gossip at this point.
@NFLNut
Wow that was a very interesting take!!! I had never thought through all the details as you have. And while I certainly accept your explanation as at least plausible that would still leave the girl as a monster IMHO.
I have frequently posted the stats on actual sexual abuse versus false allegations. There is a range from 2% are false charges to a max of 10% are fake.
This is why I DO listen to ALL women when they make their charges. If something can be done I support it. But if there is NO case to be made then just let it go. Bad stuff happens to good people all the time. Sometimes there is justice sometimes not but one of the toughest lessons I’ve learned in my life is that life is not always fair.
So if I accept your reasoning…and it’s certainly plausible…I can never accept that girl turning in the report because her friends encouraged and if it was over money then she would be a money grubbing w like many here have accused.
I honestly do not know which is worse. To be a victim of sexual assault…or a victim of a false allegation of a sexual assault. They are both HORRIBLE.
But if a woman is one of the 2-10% who make false charges they need to consider the effects of wrecking a guys life…messing with his family and people close to him…I look at false allegations as badly as I do rape….neither is acceptable. They should also consider what they are doing to their sisters. It makes it that much more difficult for the 98-90% who are actually abused to be taken seriously when cases like the Duke Lacrosse team blow up in the front pages.
So not saying the girl didn’t behave as you suggest…but if she did she truly needs help…she’s not a nice person and has some serious character flaws.
March 28th, 2018 at 3:16 pm
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STEVEK,
You can say “Tom Brady is the GOAT” all you want … it doesn’t make it true.
Tom Brady is, at best, the GOTSBE (Greatest of the Super Bowl Era) … however, he’s a distant 2nd, at best, in regards to being the GOAT as that title belongs to Otto Graham who has more MVP’s, more 1st team All-Pros and went to the championship EVERY YEAR he played, while also fighting Nazis and winning a pro basketball title as a 6th man … Brady’s resume is nothing compared to Otto Graham’s … it’s just that the modern generation doesn’t know football history which is sad.
People who say Brady is the GOAT are akin to modern NHL fans that say Sidney Crosby is the GOAT … it’s ridiculous.
As for Jameis’ Uber thing and Brady’s DeflateGate thing … I was obviously being silly, but it does seem that Jameis handled his situation with the league far better than Brady did. Both players may have been innocent of what they were accused of, but it seems only Brady acted like the nutjob with the league … and he was hammered for doing so by Roger Goodell.
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March 28th, 2018 at 3:26 pm
SPBF – those so called “stats” you keep referring to are regarding claims of ra_pe – not “he touched me”. BIG difference.
And that’s what’s troubling to me about the way this #metoo “movement” seems to be evolving.
It seems to be blurring the previously clear and obvious distinction between “he physically forced himself on me” and “He touched me”. Somehow now treating or referring to those polar opposite sides of the “sexual assault” spectrum as equals in terms of reprehension.
If the girl is telling the truth and what she claims did in fact happen – then the bottom line is literally that a young dude (hopefully not Jameis) who had been drinking made an ill advised advance on the girl driving which was immediately rebuked and immediately ceased. Her own statement of “What’s up with that?” which ended the alleged “incident” right then and there shows that it truly was no big deal at all. Yes a line was crossed. Yes men (and women) should keep their hands to themselves and groping someone in anyway without their consent is quite disrespectful. But does drunk, late night groping that gets rebuffed and the denial is respected need to be termed and treated as an actual “sexual assault”?? Seems overzealous to me and that it also runs the risk of taking some degree of the seriousness away from ACTUAL sexual assault by direct association.
March 28th, 2018 at 3:40 pm
NFL Nut,
I will concede that Brady is the Great GOTSBE.
March 28th, 2018 at 3:52 pm
^ Great play on words SteveK … that’s actually a cool and accurate nickname for Brady, I like it!
March 28th, 2018 at 6:02 pm
Pickgrin
I have seen your argument made by both folks on the left who basically support #metoo as well as those on the right. I completely understand it.
In the rush to correct a history of wrongdoing we are create a new wrong doing.
One can look at the recent spate of allegations and realize that even if they are all true they are NOT ALL EQUAL.
It took centuries for our society to even be able to address this issue…I don’t suspect we’ll get it right for quite a bit more time. But I agree…all sexual advances are not the same.
IF Jameis did this it does not compare to Ray Rice beating his wife…but that’s just my opinion. Again we’re still in gossip about #3…there is NO evidence…with Rice there was a tape…with Zeke there were corroborating witnesses and legally recorded complaints…with Brady reportedly some equipment managers were his downfall.
I honestly do not know whether Jameis did this or not. I certainly do not support the action if he did but this is getting absurd. Until there is actual evidence and not just he said she said…it’s time to move on.
March 28th, 2018 at 6:26 pm
I remember when Jameis was going through his issues in college and one of the arguments made against him is that women don’t make up things like this. However, I can tell you I have seen a friend dragged through the mud recently by a woman at work that was completely fabricated and thankfully proven false.
This stuff happens unfortunately and Jameis needs to be careful as do all those that are in the spotlight.
March 28th, 2018 at 9:14 pm
Nfl Nut,
I have to respectfully disagree with your Otto Graham is the greatest.
Greatest of His and a few other era’s, without question. Hard to knock the QB who has been the inventor of the passing game.
However, Football at the time was nothing like it is today. The fact that it was segregated is enough for a rethink. Football at that time was far behind Baseball in attracting athletes. Add to that the war shrunk the availability of some of the nation’s best young men and the player pool shrinks. Also, college football was the first real professional football and guys played college first then they went to the pro’s. More akin to Canadian football vs the info today was the dynamic between college and pros.
I don’t believe that it’s possible to compare era’s because they are all so different.
The problem is that the evolution of the game has been a linear progression in all but a very few aspects. Thus to get to the top today is infinitely more difficult.
I know a few ex super bowl players from the jets and packers. They would have zero chance to make a D1 college team yet alone a pro team.
March 28th, 2018 at 10:00 pm
Hey that’s how the POTUS works his magic, so why not?
March 28th, 2018 at 11:27 pm
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DUKE,
I don’t disagree with your post at all. The athletes playing in most sports today are all “bigger, stronger, faster” than at any time in history, so your point is certainly valid. For example, there are people who believe Bill Russell is the true NBA GOAT … but he was basically the exact same size as Tayshaun Prince! That said, I have no doubt that multiple centers, centers that no one would ever consider as the GOAT, such as Patrick Ewing, Hakeem Olajuwon, David Robinson and others, would have dominated Bill Russell.
HOWEVER, please understand I never said Otto Graham was the “best” QB ever, but the “greatest”, which is entirely different. Likewise, Tom Brady is easily the “greatest” QB of his generation but he’s not the “best” as Aaron Rodgers is a far better player.
Therefore, when I’m creating GOAT lists, it makes no difference who was “better” or what era a player played in, but merely whether he dominated the era he played in, and whether he dominated his era to such an extent that it tops another player who dominated his era to a lesser extent.
The above said, I absolutely stand by my statement that Otto Graham is the GOAT … but I could also easily say that if you just took Otto and threw him into today’s NFL, he couldn’t even make a team. Of course, on the flip side, if you took Tom Brady and threw him into Otto’s league, I’m quite positive that Brady would not have been able to play CB and return punts the way Otto did!
So … to me, Otto is the GOAT, Brady is the GOTSBE but neither are “better” than a guy like Aaron Rodgers.
I can say the same sort of thing with RB’s and WR’s and basically every position … Jim Brown is the GOAT RB, Emmitt Smith is the GOTSBE RB but neither one is “better” than Barry Sanders.
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