JPP “Appetizing”
March 23rd, 2018
Breakdown.
In the big picture of the NFL, Joe can understand why national NFL folks are shrugging their shoulders about the near festive atmosphere in Tampa Bay because Jason Pierre-Paul is coming to town.
Is JPP the 16-sack guy he once was? No. But this is the Bucs we are talking about here, where the team had a starting defensive end who got ZERO sacks last year. Friggin’ zero!!!
The Bucs are were so desperate for a pass rush, turning down JPP would be like a man stranded in Death Valley dying of thirst waving off a cup of water because it was too warm.
Follicly-challenged Bill Barnwell of BSPN points this out in his breakdown of the JPP trade yesterday.
With three years and $39.5 million remaining on his deal, it didn’t seem likely that the Giants were looking for a trade partner for their longtime edge rusher, let alone that they would find one. Enter the Buccaneers, who have a long-standing need for pass-rushing help. Tampa’s six defensive ends combined for 8.5 sacks last season, which makes modest production from Pierre-Paul suddenly look appetizing. Buccaneers general manager Jason Licht also loves contracts that don’t have long-term complications, and the JPP deal has nothing guaranteed after this season.
Joe sees on Twitter folks griping about how JPP’s salary is too high or the Bucs may have paid too high of a price for him. On the draft pick, it does seem a tad steep, but what was the alternative after swinging and missing on Robert Quinn and Michael Bennett, magicially hopng that Will Gholston can get three sacks because he is more cost efficient?
Did the Bucs paint themselves into this corner by a dozen years of futility in drafting and signing stiffs at defensive end? Yes, not to mention letting Bennett go for no good reason — easily a top-five dumbass mistake of all mistakes this franchise has made, which is saying a lot given this team’s mostly putrid history.
What was Bucs AC/DC-loving general manager Jason Licht supposed to do, sit in the executive bathroom stall at One Bucs Palace, curl up in a fetal position and suck his thumb with the thoughts of Gholston shatting on the field time and again on passing downs dancing in his head, or go out and try to solve the issue?
Is JPP the Pro Bowler he once was? Probably not. But compared to what the Bucs had for a pass rush, he is the next Deacon Jones.
March 23rd, 2018 at 1:09 pm
he may not be as capable as he once was, but a 10 sack season is still in the cards for him.
March 23rd, 2018 at 1:10 pm
Improvement….in many ways….
March 23rd, 2018 at 1:17 pm
I swear, if we end up last in sacks again after the talent we’ve added thus far we cannot fire Koetter and most of the coaching staff quick enough.
March 23rd, 2018 at 1:17 pm
8- 10 sacks in 2018 is a realistic possibility, and Licht picked up a wise contract with a ton of flexibility next year and beyond.
NOW….WE NEED some Saquon Barkley articles…Joe. Let’s start the conversation rolling around the trade UP scenarios, costs based on the trade value chart, etc… LET’S GET the articles flowing that direction.
Go Bucs!
March 23rd, 2018 at 1:24 pm
With the new DL coach I predict that Gholston will get 5.5 sacks this year. He’s a beast but with no technique
March 23rd, 2018 at 1:29 pm
The only thing about this trade that makes me nervous, is what this means the Giants will be doing second overall. We really need to hope that 4 QBs go ahead of us so one of the 3 gems fall to us, and NYG taking Chubb could screw things up a bit.
March 23rd, 2018 at 1:31 pm
DE still needs to be our top priority in this draft. JL should have signed a RB in free agency.
March 23rd, 2018 at 1:42 pm
Good 3 or 4 QB’s going before the Bucs pick…that means many top ranked positional players will be there for the Bucs pleasure
March 23rd, 2018 at 1:42 pm
Whats with all this weird Gholsten love today?
Several different posters singing his praises!!
Hes a stiff, and its highly unlikely he makes the team this year.
0 sack DEs are usually unemployed
March 23rd, 2018 at 1:47 pm
Fickle fans….there also must be something the coaches see in him….one more training camp is all it means…
March 23rd, 2018 at 1:49 pm
Let the GM and owners worry about cap. First step to winning in the NFL is get the best players you can. We cannot have all the best players (31 other teams competing for players, players not drafted have a choice, we don’t have all the money in the world, etc). If you watch the film, JPP is an upgrade. We need upgrades across the board, so this is a good signing. It won’t translate directly into wins because we still have to draft (as do 31 other teams trying to get better), we have to coach up who we have, we have to make better decisions in scheme and game-time decisions/adjustments, we may need to get a lucky bounce here and there, and we may even need some “bad calls” from the refs. I’m not (NOT) saying we are not going to win more games, because I think we will when its all said and done. I am saying that this is a process and many things need to fit together to translate into wins. This is a good FIRST step. I think we are definitely on the right track and if we master the other pieces we’ll be good this year. BL: Even if this signing gets us 20 more sacks, not sure that will translate, in and of itself, into consistent winning. It helps, but is not the be-all/end-all. Stay on the grind Bucs. Do what is required to win consistently (and it ain’t just signing a DE). Go Bucs!
March 23rd, 2018 at 1:51 pm
Joe… look at it this way and a third rounder is a bargain. We gave up a first round pick just to rehab Revis for one season.
March 23rd, 2018 at 1:56 pm
Ah, memories…
https://www.joebucsfan.com/2014/01/johnny-football-and-the-bucs/
March 23rd, 2018 at 1:59 pm
So the talk is always GMC will be better if you line up a computer DE next to him. I think JPP could have a better than expected year because he will be looking up next to GMC. Additionally, now Spence has someone who has been a successful pass rusher to learn from. In the end I don’t care if we get a double digit sack guy, in more conserved l concerned with total team sacks. If we get 50 sacks and no one over 8 I would be thrilled.
March 23rd, 2018 at 2:00 pm
^^^ Joe’s… Man zeil crush…..man that was tough to endure…
March 23rd, 2018 at 2:00 pm
nice pice hardly the savior JPP will still have to over come the losing culture led by cancer93…
i agree with others that have suggested cancer93 will be on IR by week 4 unable to keep up with driven men on the dl
March 23rd, 2018 at 2:04 pm
While I’m in favor of most of the new additions, notably JPP, Jensen and Curry, It still all comes down to the ability of the coaching staff to incorporate them into the team effectively.
This coaching staff has to prove that it can get the most out of the talent they do have. Something they failed horribly at doing last year. And for that reason, I will not believe the hype.
Show me don’t tell me.
March 23rd, 2018 at 2:11 pm
Who are these people who think Michael Bennett would’ve been a better deal? 1. JPP has almost twice as many tackles over the last two years.
2. JPP plays on a worst line with a worse secondary behind him over the past two years.
3. JPP has more sacks the last two years and overall in his career.
4. JPP is 3 years younger!
5. Bennett is distraction with his “social justice” BS
6. How is a 3rd pick to steep for 7+ sacks the next few years? You realize the majority of third round picks and up as a bust. Nine out of 10 draft picks at history and up is very mediocre. The NFL is the only sport that place is such a high value on draft picks.
It’s a great trade!
March 23rd, 2018 at 2:49 pm
This nonsense of setting the bar at 10 sacks is silly. You’re just setting yourself up for disappointment if that’s the bar.
JPP has played 8 seasons.
He’s hit double digit sacks twice.
None since 2014
Both times were with lines much more formidable than ours.
One was a Super Bowl winning line.
So, please, stop the ten sack nonsense.
He’s an upgrade. Period.
If he gives us 7 sacks and the defense as a whole is better – that’s FANTASTIC!
Why dream of something that he’s only done 25% of the time in his career – and in much better schemes for sacks?
Don’t do that. Be smart Buc fans.
FIX THE TRENCHES, FIX THE BUCS!!
March 23rd, 2018 at 2:53 pm
Joe
Michael bennett got arrested
March 23rd, 2018 at 2:55 pm
Forget Barkley, forget Ward, forget Chubb. Quenton Nelson is the pick at 7.
March 23rd, 2018 at 2:56 pm
Lam
Just heard it myself. Wondering if it’s a bit blown out of proportion?
March 23rd, 2018 at 3:00 pm
DB55
some dude posted Bennett rolled a paraplegic old lady. I missed that I guess.
March 23rd, 2018 at 3:02 pm
So glad we didn’t get Bennet now with his arrest warrent and all!
March 23rd, 2018 at 3:02 pm
Thsts what’s wrong wih you Joe you still talking bout Michael Bennett. He’s overrated Joe and the Bucs knew it. Man we actually got future Hall of Famer JPP. It’s time to forget about Bennett and Quinn they are not gamechangers just guys who play great not over the top outstanding like JPP
March 23rd, 2018 at 3:03 pm
warrant*
March 23rd, 2018 at 3:05 pm
Jason Mclaurin
i realized the Hall of Fame bar was lowered tremendously after the BS sales job Ira and others pitched to get the unqualified one dimensional fool dungy enshrined with his career losing playoff record but damn JPP is not even close to Hall of Famer
March 23rd, 2018 at 3:09 pm
I would like to see a countdown list of the team’s top 10 mistakes in franchise history. I don’t think dropping Michael Bennett would be in the top 5. If you dig deep enough, maybe not even in the top ten.
March 23rd, 2018 at 3:10 pm
Db55
He was indicted. He pushed and injured a paraplegic woman whos 66 years old. After she told him he couldnt enter there. I’m sure you read the story. It didnt sound blown out of proportion to me and the grand jury. Man what a coward move. A paraplegic old woman…wtf man. I was hoping we got him too after wiffing on quinn. Glad we didnt. It takes all types.
March 23rd, 2018 at 3:18 pm
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Where is LAKELAND raving about his boy Michael Bennett today?
The guy seems like a garbage human being … from lying about the cops, to the social justice warrior nonsense, to now being indicted and having a warrant out for his arrest for shoving and injuring a 66 year old paraplegic woman.
Jason Licht … GOOD WORK trading for the younger, better and less insane DE in JPP!
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March 23rd, 2018 at 3:19 pm
For anyone wondering the “warrant*” correction was for my own post, which has been under moderation for no reason for over 20 minutes!
March 23rd, 2018 at 3:22 pm
Ha ha all you people wanting Bennett crying about it how do you like that now.
March 23rd, 2018 at 3:22 pm
it’s horrible what bennett did but don’t think for one minute cancer93 would not do the same damn think rushing to a first edition of a batman comic or limited edition batman underooors booties
March 23rd, 2018 at 3:23 pm
Lots of moderation going on today….for a place with no rules posted ….arbitrary …moody….whimsical…tough to color between the lines
March 23rd, 2018 at 3:26 pm
The alternative? The alternative is to do the right thing. Not giving up picks for players 27 and older and trading gmc, lvd, Jackson etc for picks. We have been banging our heads against the wall for too long. Same hype every year for the same results. The culture won’t be changed by free agents. Licht and koetter shouldn’t been extended . We will not win anything in 2018 regardless of jpp. We need younger, hungrier talent on rookie contracts that we can sparkle top free agents into instead of this message try to revive by over paying mediocre and old talent
March 23rd, 2018 at 3:28 pm
Nothing wrong with the coaches that better talent will not fix….9 times out of 10….superior talent rules…..
March 23rd, 2018 at 3:29 pm
A 3rd round pick is not too high of a price to pay for a legit starting DE that can play at least 2 more seasons at what should be a high level – and most likely the Bucs can get 3 more seasons out of him. As for the salary, if he produces, it’s a fair contract. The Bucs have nothing at DE and I’d say the moves this offseason, pre-JPP, actually made them worse as far as the pass rush goes. This is about as solid as a move as you can make. I was pro-Quinn but I actually like JPP more as he’s been more consistent in terms of production. If Spence comes back healthy and ready to play and Gholston returns to the projectory he had been on prior to this season, then with the rotational guys the Bucs signed suddenly they have a lot more depth.
One more thing as well – the Bucs LOVE to stack players, like getting VH3 to learn from Grimes, getting Evans to learn from VJ, etc. Well in this draft Davenport reminds me a lot of JPP and will be there at #7, it wouldn’t shock me if the Bucs went that direction. They badly need a corner and if Ward is there I think he will be the most logical selection, but Davenport has some freakish ability. Just something to keep in mind.
March 23rd, 2018 at 3:31 pm
the Bennett story…
Back in 2017, new Eagles defensive end Michael Bennett went to Super Bowl LI to watch his brother Martellus play for the Patriots. His actions that night at NRG Stadium may come back to haunt him.
On Friday, a grand jury in Harris County, Texas, charged Bennet with the felony of “injury of the elderly.”
The charge carries a penalty of up to ten years in prison and a $10,000 fine, according to the Harris County District Attorney’s Office. A warrant has been issued for Bennett’s arrest, the DAO said, and prosecutors are already talking with Bennett’s lawyers regarding his surrender.
What’d the big guy do that landed him in hot water?
At the end of the game, Bennett reportedly shoved his way past security to get on the field, pushing past NRG Security personnel. Staffers say they told him to use a different entrance, but he disregarded their pleas, and allegedly shoved a 66-year-old security worker on his way.
Bennett is known as an outspoken activist for social justice, and has never hidden from controversy. Chances are we’ll hear his thoughts on this felony charge — and what he plans to do about it — sometime soon.
March 23rd, 2018 at 3:36 pm
And it took HOW LONG to get a felony warrant out for his arrest? What were they waiting for…Christmas?
March 23rd, 2018 at 3:39 pm
It was not that long ago….must investigate then charge
March 23rd, 2018 at 3:44 pm
Michael Bennett is a scumbag…he’s lucky we don’t live in the fictional country he thinks we live in.
March 23rd, 2018 at 3:45 pm
On the Bennett thing……
Licht keeps looking smarter
and Joe keeps looking less informed.
But I’m sure the indictment is “for no good reason “ huh Joe?
Michael Bennett is a race baiting little biotch.
March 23rd, 2018 at 3:59 pm
Bennett is the example of what happens when some moron heads out west and gets surrounded by a bunch of hippies who tell him he’s special and his opinion matters. LOL!
March 23rd, 2018 at 4:21 pm
Yo Joe, told you Bennett was a cancer. So dang happy we didn’t trade for him now, we don’t elder abusers on this team.
March 23rd, 2018 at 4:24 pm
I was watching Jason Whitlock the other day, and Jason (Who is Black) said that Bennett is a Poser, who is as fake as a 3 dollar bill.
I thought that was quite interesting, since Bennett tries to play like he came up and out the Ghetto.
According to Jason Whitlock, The Bennett’s were far from poor, and Bennett never missed a meal.
March 23rd, 2018 at 4:31 pm
Check Joe’s free archives. And yes, it is very, very high.
March 23rd, 2018 at 4:32 pm
didn’t Bennett and his wife or baby’s mama abandon dogs when they left tampa or something like that?
March 23rd, 2018 at 4:37 pm
Wow…. 6-23-2014…
Seahawks defensive end Michael Bennett has paid nearly $15,000 to a Tampa, Fla., dog kennel where he allegedly abandoned his 4-month-old dog when he and his wife moved to Seattle.
When Bennett, a former member of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, signed with the Seahawks last offseason and moved to Seattle, he left his boxer puppy, Koa, at Tampa’s Lucky Dog Daycare in March 2013 and never returned, the kennel’s attorney told seattlepi.com.
After repeated unsuccessful attempts to reach Bennett and his wife, Pele, Lucky Dog filed a lawsuit in December to recoup more than $5,000 that the Bennetts allegedly owed the doggy daycare.
March 23rd, 2018 at 4:39 pm
Tmaxcon
Yes. Left the dogs to starve. I remember that
March 23rd, 2018 at 4:40 pm
I must didn’t get the dog day care thing I remember he did something like that to his pet
March 23rd, 2018 at 4:45 pm
Joe, i know you are not a dog guy but never call another guy bad character again… you can’t pick in choose which POS fit or do not… you pined for Bennett even with the dog stuff… a tad disappointed sir. 4 hail Marys and six shots a Jameson for penance.
March 23rd, 2018 at 4:46 pm
pick and choose
March 23rd, 2018 at 4:51 pm
tmaxcon – I totally missed the dog stuff, I had no idea about that story. What garbage.
March 23rd, 2018 at 4:53 pm
Back to Bucs news… they resigned Evan Smith… why? He’s not been any good the entire time he’s been here. I don’t know what Pamphile got, but I do know I’d have done everything to resign him over bringing back an old broken down mediocre at best Evan Smith.
March 23rd, 2018 at 4:54 pm
Rod Munch
yeah dude, I am 100% dog guy… much more reliable than people LOL I vaguely remembered it but not to the extent. after looking it up. total loser POS both he and his loser arse wife. no free passes
March 23rd, 2018 at 4:55 pm
water board he and his skank wife with dog piss
March 23rd, 2018 at 5:14 pm
Michael Bennett AND NationalPuppyDay are the two top trends on Twitter… yet somehow completely unrelated. Amazing.
March 23rd, 2018 at 5:15 pm
tmaxcon Says:
March 23rd, 2018 at 3:22 pm
it’s horrible what bennett did but don’t think for one minute cancer93 would not do the same damn think rushing to a first edition of a batman comic or limited edition batman underooors booties
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tmax,
You sir are a trip.
March 23rd, 2018 at 5:16 pm
Dave Pear
you know i am righ… you stopped and said well maybe that tmax guy has a point. it is limited edition underooos with fitted booties.
March 23rd, 2018 at 5:25 pm
Dave Pear
every year in Walmarts throughout the country doll lovers like cancer93 brawl in the aisles over limited edition and sold out dolls and kiddie toys.
March 23rd, 2018 at 5:34 pm
This is exactly why I don’t understand people crying about his salary. Plus the Bucs are still in very good shape, even considering the extensions and new contracts they’ll be giving some guys from the 2015 draft.
If JPP gets us 8+ sacks for each of the next 2 years, he was worth the trade IMO. Anything beyond that will be gravy.
March 23rd, 2018 at 5:38 pm
lol everyone once in a while, when he can stop fantasizing about McCoy, tmax says something that I agree with.
The Glazers suck as owners, and Bennet sucks for doing that to his dog.
Plus, it’s really not that hard to move across the country with a dog, especially a puppy. Some people are just dumb.
March 23rd, 2018 at 5:45 pm
Evan Smith outplayed Pamphile by a pretty wide margin last year Munch. He’s got plenty of experience, can play either Guard spot or even Center in a pinch – and probably signed for relatively cheap. Good depth signing IMO. And if we don’t draft a Guard high this year – Smith will likely beat out Sweezy for either a starting spot or whatever playing time is available.
March 23rd, 2018 at 6:10 pm
Joe why can’t JPP still not be a 16 sack guy and pro bowler that he once was? He has the seventh most sacks since it became a stat in ’82 and is gonna be partnered up with GMC. He’s 29 and Simeon was 31 when he got 14 sacks in 2005.
March 23rd, 2018 at 6:46 pm
A third rounder too steep? Tell me who we could draft in the top 3 rounds that would make as big of an impact as JPP this year, and the next two years. At best, which is a long shot, we trade up, lose more than a 3rd round pick and get Chubb. Lose more capital to get an unproven talent that may or may not turn into something. Or get someone who’s had proven success in this league and make an immediate impact
March 23rd, 2018 at 8:22 pm
According to the defense he merely put his hand on her shoulder and walk past them.
It’s not lost on me that this occurred in the most right-wing state possible that’s why I question the alleged facts.
It wouldn’t be the first time LEO lies to arrest a black man. No video evidence either, idk. I’ll wait to see/hear more.
March 23rd, 2018 at 10:04 pm
DB the biggest problems with law enforcement and blacks is overwhelming in left wing states. Why, I don’t know but it’s not as easy as identifying the voting patterns of the state.
I acknowledge the fact that there’s a percentage of people who readily accept such a simplistic and blind view of the world. Oddly enough that mindset is the direct opposite of how the group would define itself. And what they say about the other side is far more true if it’s applied equally. Texas is by far more trustworthy than Illinois or California.
That said, the fact that it’s in Texas leads me to believe that it’s not going to be dismissed as easily as JBF believes. If past actions are to blame for current perceptions. Then Bennett should be seen as a liar. The problem with no video is
a blessing for Bennett. I’m sure the cops are pissed they don’t have it. And Bennett is smiling at the same time because they can’t use it to destroy his statement. How you can twist the reality of a situation into a over arcing narrative on black oppression is impressive.
Well done Sir.
I say we wait to see more before we dumb it down to the lowest possible common denominator. If I’m late to the hate rally it’s because there was not hate to rally against or for. I am still confused by all the hate displayed at all the rallys against hate. Maybe a rally for hate is filled with loving people who speak kindly and compassionately about other people. These folks definitely aren’t going to the fight hate rally, so much for trusting leftist labels. Dangerous actually…
March 23rd, 2018 at 10:54 pm
Joe and his Bennett 😂