Chris Simms: Why Not Suh?
March 20th, 2018
Former Bucs QB wants Pro Bowl DT on roster.
Joe once had a tax accountant who when going through Joe’s finances this time of year and paying close attention to anything that could be remotely used as a write-off, the accountant would look at Joe when all the paperwork was documented and say sternly if not loudly, “We need more!”
He was Joe’s kind of a accountant.
And Joe could hear his former accountant’s words after former Bucs quarterback Chris Simms discussed the recent transactions of the Bucs after the first five days of free agency.
Simms is down on the Bucs’ defense. And in his eyes, despite signing Vinny Curry, Beau Allen and Mitch Unrein in recent days, the Bucs need more, Simms feels.
“This is a team that is deficient on the defensive side of the football and the defensive line especially,” Simms said Monday morning on “PFT Live,” co-hosting with the creator, curator and overall guru of Pro Football Talk, the great Mike Florio.
Later, when the topic of conversation came to the Ndamukong Suh Traveling Circus, which just made a stop in Los Angeles, where the Rams are trying to add Suh to go along with Aaron Donald for a truly frightening defensive tackle tandem, Simms wondered why the Bucs aren’t in talks for Suh.
Simms rattled off four teams with salary cap space and said each of the teams, including the Bucs, could use Suh. Given what Simms said of the Bucs just a few minutes prior — and he is absolutely right — it got Joe thinking:
If the Rams, with defensive wizard Wade Phillips, can find a way to use Suh alongside Donald, why couldn’t the Bucs find a way to use Suh alongside Gerald McCoy?
The Rams are not the lone playoff team in the Suh sweepstakes. So too are the Titans. Playoff teams!
Joe does not expect the Bucs to pursue Suh, especially after signing three defensive linemen. But Simms has a point.
Look, it’s not like the team cannot afford Suh and it’s not like the team couldn’t use Suh. You know: worst defense in the NFL, can’t rush the passer and is coming off a five-win season (if not for a lightning bolt pass from America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, it would have been a four-win season).
Hello?
Yes, Joe understands the Bucs need cap space to pay for their young core of talent around the corner. Joe gets it. And no matter how logical that position is, it still rings hollow to fans who haven’t seen the Bucs in a playoff game in over a decade and have only seen two winning seasons in a decade. And their beloved team is mired in Buccaneers Cove (last place in the NFC South) yet again.
It would be nice if the Bucs could, you know, make the playoffs before the powers that be publicly wring their hands in despair over how to pay younger players.
To some fans, citing future payments to players on a team that cannot make the playoffs and struggles to win games, well, Joe can see how some fans take that the wrong way.
March 20th, 2018 at 12:08 am
If we want a passrush and not watch on sundays how this defense will get riped to shreds by qbs like case keenum we need suh and all you gmc haters suck it
March 20th, 2018 at 12:08 am
Cuz they have Cb’s and safety boss???? Does that mean anything boss???????????
March 20th, 2018 at 12:10 am
This is a fun academic exercise but I think most astute fans would be sweating over how to keep this team together with a maxed out salary cap and an aging stud DT whose best games are almost certainly behind him. At 31 years old, this guy could turn out to be the next Albert Haynesworth.
March 20th, 2018 at 12:13 am
soooo…let’s just sign him for one year…may the best 3 tech win….
March 20th, 2018 at 12:15 am
I don’t know guys, with Beau & curry along with Spence if healthy and a rookie end might be able to make us forget how gmc gets lost by half time.. If we can apply pressure even if it’s up the middle on a consistent basis then the backers & back end will look and play better…. As long as its not with Smith playing opposite Grimes! We have alot of afc north games as well as NFC north games this year and big I tell ya, we have to play good not great defence & pound the effin rock all damn game long! Here’s to getting Nelson and a good back in the draft this year.. Look we made moves to stiffen up the middle of our dline , if we get Nelson that shores up the other trench & next draft focus on ends!
March 20th, 2018 at 12:15 am
1) Suh made it clear he wants to go to the highest bidder. No thanks.
2) We still need to re sign our guys, another bloated contract from a bad apple wont help that.
March 20th, 2018 at 12:18 am
If we give him a 1 year deal sure, I wouldn’t be against uniting the #2 and #3 picks from the 2010 NFL draft.
March 20th, 2018 at 12:21 am
Who gets to wear #93?
March 20th, 2018 at 12:31 am
worst defensive in the NFL, can’t rush the passer and is coming off a five-win season
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Joe. I’m stealing this. Ty.
March 20th, 2018 at 12:35 am
1 year deal only.
But Licht won’t do this because he’s to focused on his Fanasty that one of his budget free agency players will magically breakout into an elite superstar.
March 20th, 2018 at 12:37 am
Yo DB, just in case you missed it, Vinny Curry’s base salary for 2018 is 6.5 million. Any amount of money beyond that incentive based. Rob Ayers salary would have been 6 million.
That should serve to quell some of your apprehension regarding the size of his deal.
March 20th, 2018 at 12:38 am
Scared 😱 money 💴 can’t win folks straight like that.
March 20th, 2018 at 1:23 am
Whats wrong with you guys
“ we have to keep money, to resign our guys!”
Why in the Hel* would we want to do that?????
They are a bunch of losers- that cant play their way out of the NFC cellar!!!
Their best contribution?
LAST PLACE.
We need to be worried about that foreign, Alien concept
Winning!!
When we are a winning team- then meybe we’ll have some players worth retaining
Until then- they should all be worried about being resigned.
Replacing losers is easy.
March 20th, 2018 at 1:26 am
This makes the argument why they should pursue Suh? Imagine how disruptive that line could be? …wow …with our stable of athletic blitzing LB’s? Also this may give the rest of our rushers an advantage. This move could be that catalyst to put these close games in our win column.
March 20th, 2018 at 1:27 am
“We have to have money, to keep our core guys!”
Core of a rotten Apple!!!
Who cares if they leave. What will happen?
Team will suck? It will always be in last place?
Team will be an embarrassment?
Thats whats happening WITH them!!
March 20th, 2018 at 1:44 am
At least when the lightning were worried about resigning there core guys were actually making the playoffs and contending for a championship. We act like we need all this money to resign what ? 5-11 roster players ? It’s not like we are loaded with a bunch of great players to resign it’s only a few what marpet and Alexander?
March 20th, 2018 at 2:56 am
Lets see… Suh or three 3rd rate defensive lineman + millions of dollars… Humm… tough decision.
Oh wait, the Bucs are changing the “culture” remember? You know “culture” – the thing teams say when they’re losers and they don’t address being losers but need to say something to media, they talk about “culture”. It’s like when you blow a draft pick and get some guy that can’t play they always talk about his “heart” and how much “heart” he has.
Anywho it won’t happen because it’s not the safe boring and predictable thing to do. Getting Suh is what you do when you need to win now – and everyone knows Dirk and Licht have plenty of time to build a winner.
March 20th, 2018 at 3:35 am
Rod Munch
Koetter pointed out, numerous times from preseason and regular season,
That the team made stupid mistakes, and lacked energy.
Think he is trying to get a higher energy,higher intelligence kinda player.
Not a cultural change. More of an Ability upgrade.
Although he hasnt improved anything by Much.
Improved center. D- line moves were nearly latteral.
New names, same kinda run stuffing players.
I swear, I think Licht, Koetter, And Smith think we are in the seventies!!!
They keep building a run defense- and teams keep blistering their Butts with the passing game
March 20th, 2018 at 3:42 am
My sentiments exactly capt Tim.
March 20th, 2018 at 3:45 am
Why Not Bennie Logan?
March 20th, 2018 at 3:55 am
I made all these comments on the $20 Mil left Article long before Joe and Simms.
March 20th, 2018 at 4:01 am
I would trade Kwon Alexander & Ali Marpet in heart beat – for a couple of premium draft picks.
March 20th, 2018 at 4:55 am
Have to agree with Capt Tim on this one. This is a poorly constructed TEAM that has a long history of losing … to this point. I try to stay optimistic, but every year we ‘tweak things’ & every year the results stay the same. Management is basing our future around a handful of young players (Jameis, ME13, D Smith, Marpet, OJ, Brate) who’ve thus far (3 years) produced a middle-of-the-pack, underperforming offense & complemented them with a below-average defense (that’s done better than its’ talent level warrants IMO). This team lacks BALANCE & it seems to be lacking strong leadership (especially on the field).
As a fan, I could care less how much each player makes, although personally I think paying anyone $10-$25 mil a year to lose is obscene. Bringing in someone like 31-year-old Suh (high $$$) won’t magically turn this team into winners (quite the contrary IMO). Drafting younger players like Chubb, Vea (or Payne) to improve the talent level of our DLine (and add ‘attitude’) would help a lot more towards improving our BALANCE as a TEAM.
March 20th, 2018 at 5:01 am
Defense Rules
I agree
March 20th, 2018 at 5:09 am
Mr. Suh too mean for new, not much improved bucs.
March 20th, 2018 at 5:36 am
There’s some solid prospects – In the 2nd Round that can really help this roster out.
If we double or triple-up on picks.
Projected 2nd Round Prospect
By Position
RB
• Derrius Guice, RB, LSU
• Kerryon Johnson, RB, Auburn
• Ronald Jones, RB, USC
WR
• Christian Kirk, WR, Texas A&M
• Marcel Ateman, WR, Oklahoma State
• Auden Tate, WR, Florida State
• D.J. Moore, WR, Maryland
LT/RT
• Orlando Brown, OT, Oklahoma
• Connor Williams, OT, Texas
G/C
• Frank Ragnow, C/G, Arkansas
• Billy Price, C/G, Ohio State
DT
• Taven Bryan, DT, Florida
• Tim Settle, DT, Virginia Tech
• Trenton Thompson, DT, Georgia
• R.J. McIntosh, DT, Miami
DE/OLB/ ILB
• Sam Hubbard, 3-4OLB, Ohio State
• Harold Landry, 3-4OLB, Boston College
• Leighton Vander Esch, ILB, Boise State
• Darius Leonard, ILB/OLB, South Carolina State
CB
• Mike Hughes, CB, Central Florida
• Donte Jackson*, CB, LSU
• Carlton Davis*, CB, Auburn
• Jaire Alexander*, CB, Louisville
S
• Jesse Bates, S, Wake Forest ← Best Pure Safety In the Draft
• Justin Reid, S, Stanford
• Ronnie Harrison, S, Alabama
March 20th, 2018 at 6:01 am
Go big or go home
March 20th, 2018 at 6:48 am
So the guy even admits and only cares about big contract , his teammates can’t stand him and honestly are afraid of him , he could care less about winning a championship. gets into it with coaches and runs his own assignments , will cost around 15-20 mil per
And oh yes … his stats are no different then GMC who you haters call a cancer and Mr ice cream.
Pffffttt. No thanks. Give me a break people
March 20th, 2018 at 6:50 am
Dude is a 340 lb child Who performs as a clown on sundays
March 20th, 2018 at 6:51 am
I’d rather see us pick up a good CB….
March 20th, 2018 at 6:55 am
Blake_Bucsfan, i like that idea, I want Suh just because of the what could be just like when we found out when we were getting Desean. Wow what could be? I do like the idea of a one year if we can get him for a short term contract with incentives but doubt he would take it. I just hope it’s not another veteran coming to Tampa to ride off into the sunset. There are risks with Suh but that’s with any player but what if Chubb, Jensen, Barkley are all gone when we pick @ 7 what then?
March 20th, 2018 at 6:57 am
Suh wants to go to a winner at this stage.
March 20th, 2018 at 7:10 am
Exactly Bird. He won’t make this team better even if he makes the line better. Rams would be crazy putting this head case anywhere near Donald.
March 20th, 2018 at 7:24 am
He is jumping from team to team. Was unloaded 6 days ago and still on the streets. Nobody is backing up a Brinks truck to get him.
March 20th, 2018 at 7:29 am
Nope! Dont want him….he’s too dirty of a player. And im sure him and Jensen still have some unfinished business.
I DO NOT WANT HIM ON OUR TEAM!!
March 20th, 2018 at 7:33 am
If you want a cheaper Suh skill but better in the head, draft big Vita.
March 20th, 2018 at 7:36 am
I dont like the fit from an “Xs and Os” standpoint.
But Joe, you just spent how many months ripping on Baker for not putting in the work and just collecting a check. Suh already came out and said himself that he doesnt care about scheme or fit, he just wants the biggest check. Why should we want that?
March 20th, 2018 at 7:37 am
Im sure our back up qb Fitzpatrick would say no too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mH0VSjkFIQI
March 20th, 2018 at 7:39 am
Sounds great on the surface. Only way I would do that is if Jason Licht is sniffing glue again and trades GMC and Suh is our guy. Personally I would never do that. Go get Breeland, Gaines and Boston for the same price!!
March 20th, 2018 at 7:54 am
@Joeypoppems,
I’m going to have to second your motion sir. While Suh’s ability in general, and his talent to just flick on that switch and completely dominate on a single play, any play….that could greatly affect the outcome of a game is indeed enticing, it does appear to me that Suh’s addition over the course of a season would present more harm than good.
All draft capital rounds 1-4 in 2018-2020 still intact!
Go Bucs!
March 20th, 2018 at 8:11 am
The reason we can’t sign Suh is because he’ll want more per year than McCoy. And if you give him him more than McCoy, Gerald will be upset. Because we all know money is all Geralld cares about. Oh, and meaningless Pro Bowls.
March 20th, 2018 at 8:40 am
Bird
The only clown on Sundays is big softee the career losing cryin clown cancer93
March 20th, 2018 at 8:46 am
Glazers will not sign suh because it would be admitting publicly they took the wrong DT… everyone with a Brain realizes suh is twice the football player and 10 times the man as the cryin clown and career loser cancer93
March 20th, 2018 at 8:52 am
I don’t think Suh will command a super sized salary, he doesn’t have much leverage. All the good teams are strapped for cash and others no he just got CUT! I highly doubt the Saints offered a lot because they are at the top of their cap. Who knows what type of deal he’ll take until you call him. Short years high bonuses and this whole attitude thing only matters with low talent players. Suh can pout and fight Jensen in practice and still come ball on Sunday. We need more competition in practice and all around the team.
March 20th, 2018 at 8:54 am
Regardless of his obviously significant skills, Suh is questionable pickup in free agency. Everywhere he has been Suh has caused controversy and become a distraction because of his dirty play. I think the Bucs are not a sufficiently mature team to cope with his nonsense without it detracting from their play. I would just let the man keep walking on by Tampa.
March 20th, 2018 at 8:59 am
Somebody please tell me why fans keep comparing Suh to Baker??? Swaggy Bakery was never a good player so of course if he’s lazy on top of his lack of talent you end up with that garbage he was last year. Suh’s talent makes him a much safer bet. Why else would a coach like Sean Payton consider him, y’all act like he’s been arrested a bunch of times or something.
March 20th, 2018 at 8:59 am
CANCER93 has been bucs biggest distraction and obstacle to winning for 8 years… People the object of nfl football is to win superbow la not field a team of choirboys to raise your children for you… talented driven winners are wha t bucs need not soft add choirboys
March 20th, 2018 at 9:01 am
Defense rules well stated that this team is e tirely poorly contructed from Day 1 as licht had no plan and he could blame lovie or whatever and now the bucs are where they are right now with no direction nor identity
March 20th, 2018 at 9:04 am
If the Rams, with defensive wizard Wade Phillips, can find a way to use Suh alongside Donald, why couldn’t the Bucs find a way to use Suh alongside Gerald McCoy?
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because they have competent coaches……smitty still doesn’t know man press coverage are VHG and ryan smith strengths…..this staff would rotate suh and GMC instead of playing them on the field together……
#NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!!!!….NOPASSESIN2018!!!!!!!…..GO BUCS!!!!!
March 20th, 2018 at 9:04 am
As much as having Suh would interest me, I don’t see it happening. The team that gets him will be paying close to $20m for the first year. That would completely drain the Bucs bank.
Not to mention he has a huge attitude issue. I’m all for aggressive players…but not players who get suspended for it. He can’t help the team if he is not on the field. He’s not a team player. He sells out to the highest bidder. Never puts team first.
The image of McCoy and Suh together is a blast to imagine, but doubt we will ever see it.
March 20th, 2018 at 9:07 am
Joel Says
“The reason we can’t sign Suh is because he’ll want more per year than McCoy. And if you give him him more than McCoy, Gerald will be upset. Because we all know money is all Geralld cares about. Oh, and meaningless Pro Bowls.”
Such a total crock.
I cannot and do not want to imagine what it’s like for you…spending your time sniffing TMax’s panties.
March 20th, 2018 at 9:16 am
Bonzi
Stop trying to defend cancer93 he is just another bad character career loser who rather quit and play with dolls than be great…
Make sure your husband has the safe space ready for when bucs show that POS the door…
March 20th, 2018 at 9:26 am
kong suh will change the entire disposition of this defense – gmc has a soft sweet dispo and by week 5 a shift in team disposition would happen as you hit the 2nd quarter of the season…
believe it or not, but riley bullough is another one – if he is going to factor in some how
#WeNeedDudesWithTudes
March 20th, 2018 at 9:27 am
I’m not against Suh…just perhaps a little more realistic.
He COULD be a nice addition, he could be simply good but not great…like his career stats.
He has not turned any team into a winner…expected of GMC here!!! He has not transformed ANY defense…expected of GMC here…he makes almost twice as much as GMC…yet Suh IS GMC with a bad attitude. The bad attitude boys here insist that a bad attitude has something to do with being a good football player despite all the real life examples to the contrary…would you rather have Suh and his attitude or Leroy Selmon in his prime with his attitude?
Bottom line for me is that Suh is a good player if not great and as Koetter likes to say you can never have to many good players.
Problem is Suh is making GREAT money while being just good. The Dolphins are reportedly ready to pay some of that absurd salary. If the deal made sense OK but I’m not going to get THAT excited.
March 20th, 2018 at 11:06 am
Joe…Please don’t mention our Defense in the same breath as the Rams. They have a DC named Phillips. We have a DC called..Pressbox Smitty. Its like comparing apples and oranges. Smittys light went out after Arthur Blanks fired him for just cause.
March 20th, 2018 at 11:22 am
We were dead last in rush defense last year. Beau and Curry were part of the best rush defense in the nfl last year. Maybe I’m just hopeful. But now gmc has got some help. We have great group of linebackers. I wish they would have grabbed one of the many talented CB’s that we’re available.
March 20th, 2018 at 11:56 am
Just curious, I see all these GMC haters on here but I’ve never seen a logical argument from any of these haters, just one-sided emotional opinion. Many of these haters seem to be praising Jameis which I find comical. I say comical because in his 18-27 record he’s held more responsibility(because of his horrible decision making) for us losing than any other player(not coach, player)…but somehow that’s GMC’s fault? I actually like Jameis and I hope him being a new father will mature him and help his decision making, we’ll see. So instead of bashing GMC and those who like GMC give us a logical reason to do so please.
March 20th, 2018 at 12:15 pm
Joe my accountant says the same to me every year as well.
Running a small business can be a b!tch sometimes!
As for Suh, I think he’s past his prime and is true POS, but I honestl wouldn’t mind bringing him in on a team friendly deal that allowed us to wash our hands after 1 season without a big cap hit.
I’m sure he’s gonna try go somewhere with more potential than our lowly Bucs though.
March 20th, 2018 at 12:34 pm
Defense, you do realize you can do both don’t you??? Suh could come in as FA to play left tackle, and if Chubb drops to 7 they could draft him to play DE. Why do these two things have to be mutually exclusive? Your argument doesn’t make any sense.
March 20th, 2018 at 12:50 pm
TDTB … Never meant to imply that we couldn’t do both. It’s just that I’d rather see us try to ‘get younger’ on the DLine (draft Chubb, Vea or Payne) than commit to yet another 31-year-old bridge player.
March 20th, 2018 at 2:33 pm
Suh is a filthy, cheap shot player. Do the Bucs really want that in their locker room?
March 20th, 2018 at 4:05 pm
I’m not sure that Chubb will be around at #7, so GM Licht might sign Suh to a one-year deal that just skirts the salary cap by a penny, and see what happens. Team Glazer and past/current GMs have thrown around a lot more loot and have done a lot worse! The problem is that you have to move Suh and GMC around, but I’m not sure that Coach Smith wants to develop a scheme like that.