Can The Bucs Entice The Bills?
March 10th, 2018
The Tyrod Taylor trade opens a door
It’s a wonderful Saturday for the trade-down crowd, and a rough day for the fans who really wanted to see the Bucs lose to the Saints to close the season in order to help themselves in the 2018 NFL Draft.
The excitement brewing is because yesterday’s Buffalo Bills’ trade of quarterback Tyrod Taylor to Cleveland for the first pick of Round 3 in this year’s draft means Buffalo now has two draft picks in the each of the first three rounds in 2018.
Not a bad look for a playoff team on the rise.
And Joe confidently will speculate Buffalo most likely wants to trade up in the first round to select a quarterback.
Their first-round picks are No. 21 overall and No. 22.
The Bucs pick at No. 7. (It would have been No. 5 overall if Jameis Winston didn’t complete that last-second pass to Chris Godwin to close the season with a win against the Saints.)
So who might be the trade partner if Buffalo moves up and how will that shake up the draft?
There are so many possible scenarios. Joe’s not going sit here and type them all up. But who thought Bears QB Mitch Trubisky would be selected No. 2 overall last year? Who thought Patrick Mahomes would got at No. 10 after Kansas City went all-in to move up in the draft?
Never say never when it comes to the draft.
Joe would be pleased to see the Bucs trade down, primarily because general manager Jason Licht has a good batting average the draft. If the Bucs could walk away with a Bills’ first-round pick and two second-rounders, man, that would be quite a haul.
Last year, the Chiefs traded the No. 27 overall pick, a third-round pick and their 2018 first-round pick to Buffalo to move up to No. 10 and select Mahomes.
March 10th, 2018 at 11:35 am
if Im Licht both 1st round picks and the Browns 3rd round pick and we swap 4th round picks
IMO a fair deal for both sides, this would allow us to address D-Line, O-Line and RB with 4 picks in the first 65 players selected
March 10th, 2018 at 11:48 am
If there are any supremely talented prospects remaining at 7 I would be highly against this, because I’m a firm believer that one tried and true stud is favorable to 3 maybes.
And if we are 100 percent certain that the bills want to trade up for their desired QB, Jason Licht would be an absolutely fool to not demand a minimum of both of the bills 1st rounders this year and a 3rd, preferably a 2nd rounder to boot.
March 10th, 2018 at 11:53 am
Would love to trade down. Afraid the Bills are trying to get to #4 ahead of jets and broncos but maybe one of them sign cousins.
March 10th, 2018 at 11:56 am
Trade up for Chubb or stay for Vita. Vita is McCoy replacement. Chubb is the best DE in the class and can be special. Personally it’s a chance the browns may take chubb @ 1 and get Barkley at 4. If they don’t take Chubb at 1, then go all in for #2 pick.
March 10th, 2018 at 11:57 am
@Joe … “If the Bucs could walk away with a Bills’ first-round pick and two second-rounders, man, that would be quite a haul.” Licht has done fairly well with 1st rounders (ME13, Jameis, VHIII & OJ) but only average IMO with 2nd rounders (Evans, Spence, Aquayo, D Smith, Marpet, ASJ). He’s actually done better than average IMO in the 3rd & 4th rounds (Godwin, Beckwith, R Smith, Kwon, Sims) in his 4 years here. His picks in the 5th thru 7th rounds are actually quite bad.
I’d rather stay where we’re at (#7). We KNOW we can get a real stud at that position (hopefully Fitzpatrick, Vea or Payne). If we get one of those three, that player could anchor our defense for years to come. If we move down to Bills #21, we’d still get a good player, but probably not close to being of the same caliber as one of those three. Giving up top picks to accumulate lower picks hasn’t worked for Cleveland, and I doubt it’d work for us.
March 10th, 2018 at 12:04 pm
It is enticing to trade down but guys were at pick number 7 man we got mike Evans at number 7 damn we can get minkah or that really fast corner from Ohio state ward there or any other actual blue chip player at 7 but Jason is a very good drafter so who knows with more picks he might be able to fill more holes I just want whatever gets us to the damn playoffs but idk i just really want Minkah Fitzpatrick idk why i just feel like he could be our Jalen Ramsey and I am not giving up on Vernon Hargreaves yet I think he’s going to have a big year I think he should be a slot corner tho resign grimes get minkah at 7 slide Vernon to slot I like that.
March 10th, 2018 at 12:07 pm
Simply put, trading down doesn’t keep Jason’s job. Period.
Joe’s correct that Jason has had a decent batting average in all his draft picks as a whole, but trading down doesn’t get you to 10-6 in 2018, which is the only way he keeps his job. Trading down is a 1st/2nd year GM in his tenure philosophy, a good one at that.
Jason is not in that situation, and trading down doesn’t bear immediate fruit in 2018 wins/losses.
Getting to 10-6 is much more realistic in 2018, but resigning themselves to winning games by an average score of 34-28. Jason KEEPS his job by obtaining a franchise-shifting player in Saquon Barkley, where 34 points a game are certainly achievable. Worst case, Bucs go 8-8 in 2018 but snares Saquon for the next 10 years, this Bucs fan doesn’t think Glazers send him packing.
Trading down….doesn’t get Saquon Barkley, and trading down doesn’t get the Bucs to 10-6 …in 2018. Jason wants to stay employed.
Go Bucs!
March 10th, 2018 at 12:09 pm
BUC-it,gimme #21 and 1 2nd rounder this year and next year’s 2nd rounder AND your CB for our #7 pick. 14 spots is ALOT of difference Joe.
March 10th, 2018 at 12:27 pm
Id do it for both 1’s. But youd be able to get more on draft night. Bucs will have leverage and bills will be desperate at that point. Both their firsts are about equal to the 7th overall. Add in a sweetener and its done, hopefully that 3rd they got from cleveland. Theres no way it gets done before the draft, as buffalo wont know whos available and where until then. Unless they trade up to number 1 or 2 before the draft.
Now having said that Lichts only traded back once, 2 measley spots. He is the king of trading away picks to move up yet still reach. If they get both buffalos 1’s I hope they take 2 DEs or a DE and a DT. Olinemen if not. The line’s have to be addressed and often. Anyone calling for a 1st or 2nd round CB or safety is nuts. No need to waste more picks.
March 10th, 2018 at 12:27 pm
NFL trade chart shows just our #7 for 21 and 22 would be a fair swap. No way the Bills throw in more picks.
March 10th, 2018 at 12:27 pm
To all those fools who said winning that last game was more important that draft position, I bet you wish we were at 5 now.we coukd have traded up a couple spots and grabbed Chubb or Barkley without having to cough up too much. Maybe we could have gave up a second and a 4th. Maybe even throw in a Cam Grate and a mid round pick to get there. To move up from 7 is gonna cost way more but I think I would still do it and grab whoever is left at #2. Either one of those guys is worth it to me. No other player in tjis draft woukd make more of an impact on our season than Sequin or Chubb.
March 10th, 2018 at 12:27 pm
#trade up!
March 10th, 2018 at 12:29 pm
That’s great news even if they trade in front of the Bucs. That increases the chances of Chubb, Barely or Nelson falling to 7.
March 10th, 2018 at 12:29 pm
Nice post defense rules
We dont need good players…at #7 we need a difference maker a anchor for the next decade
Pick fitzpatrick to our #1 shutdown corner for the next 10 years
Get another man2man corner in FA and play press pass coverage
Kobe Faker
March 10th, 2018 at 12:30 pm
The trade chart is pretty close. If anyone here really cares to look at the draft day thread on here when we traded up for Aguayo, I predicted by using the trade chart a three or four spot window of where we would trade up and that’s exactly what happened. The trade chart you can find online is pretty accurate.
March 10th, 2018 at 12:46 pm
I agree trade up not down go get Chubb offer the Gaints #7 a 4th this year and a 2nd next to move up to #2 and take Chubb. Finally fix the problem that has plagued this team for years no edge rusher. Chubb plays all three down, Keys only rushes. Vita good but what getting GMC replacement if he going to be put in the same position no edge pressure.
March 10th, 2018 at 12:48 pm
JOE,
You’re welcome.
March 10th, 2018 at 12:48 pm
If “my guy” isn’t available at 7 I’d like to see Bucs draft the highest rated QB and hold him hostage as currency to see what they can get!
March 10th, 2018 at 12:55 pm
I don’t think you make that trade until after you see what FA offers, and not until you see the biggest (pun) blue chip come off the board. Don’t trade down until Nelson goes. It’s be really foolish to miss out on that guy just so we can draft Billy Price and a CB that’s outside the top 3…
Nelson is a better version of Marpet. You pair him, Marpet, DSmith, and get a guy like Jensen or Richburg in FA? That offensive line is a monster…for years.
March 10th, 2018 at 12:56 pm
It’s a rough day for those of us who would have been fine with a loss in the season finale….if for no other reason that the 5th pick will be way more valuable that the 7th this year…I truly believe that. Jets pick sixth, Denver vaulted to 5…and both need QBs pending free agency of course. It most likely takes Chubb & Barkley out of play as well. But at least it secured another season with the limp chimps known as Licht’s Out & and Killin’ Them Softly Koetter. Never has a win been so costly…mark my words if not an “X” next to my name on the moderation list. 🙂
March 10th, 2018 at 12:57 pm
One lose the difference between #5 and 7 the bucs can’t even lose right. The same difference VH3 an Jalen a few years ago another game we should have lost
March 10th, 2018 at 1:08 pm
Anyone that thinks this team can afford to trade Up has clearly bumped their heads or started drinking too early.
March 10th, 2018 at 1:09 pm
So I posted my thoughts on the wrong thread:
“I like rolling the dice (figuratively, poker is where the name comes from). Instead of two ones (21 & 22) with a next year four as the cherry on top, I’d rather take the 21 and next year’s 1, then add in a third this year (Buffalo has two thirds).
Buffalo is plagued with the same ownership issues we have. They think they’re giving away a late round pick, but odds are they regress to the mean. We could end up with a really high pick, maybe even a top five.”
Sorry Joe.
March 10th, 2018 at 1:28 pm
I would be ok to see the Bucs trade down for extra early round picks but not until we see who available after the sixth pick. If Chubbs is there at 7 , forget trading down and grab Chubbs
March 10th, 2018 at 1:41 pm
I just dont see the reason for a QB needy team to trade with the Bucs. When teams trade up its usually to get ahead of a team who could be interested in that player. Last year for example:
Bears traded up to #2 to prevent a team from jumping them.
Chiefs traded up to get ahead of the Saints who could have drafted Brees’ replacement.
Texans traded up to jump the QB needy Cardinals
March 10th, 2018 at 1:44 pm
Are the Bills or any other QB needy team going to feel the beed to jump the Bears, 49ers, and Raiders for a QB? Of course not.
Trading back at #7, imo, is the correct move if Chubb is gone. #7 is just not a good spot in this years draft for trading back tho.
March 10th, 2018 at 1:44 pm
Bucs fans tend to forget..The jobs of the..not so dynamic trio of Licht/Koetter/Smitty are on the line this season. A losing season detonates the..Glazers ..join your fishing hole buddies button. So I’d think the Bucs are seriously exploring a trade option. I don’t think Buc fans will accept another losing season. Mngt knows its gotta get a Defense with a rush this year. So I can’t wait to see…
March 10th, 2018 at 1:53 pm
@Joeypoppems
If Barkely, Chubb, Nelson, and Fitzpatrick are taken ahead of us, then 1 of top 3 QB prospects will still be there. And one of the QB Needy teams will need to get in front of Miami at 11, arguably Washington at 13, and Arizona at 15.
You make a decent point about someone not necessarily needing to trade in front of the Bears, 49ers, or Raiders. But who knows if any of those teams will even be willing to trade down.
Something about trading away Tyrod Taylor at this stage of the offseason tells me that Buffalo is either going to make a serious run at Kirk Cousins, or they are going to use their extra draft capital to try and get their guy in the draft.
March 10th, 2018 at 2:15 pm
Trade down? This team needs to go get either Chubb or Nelson at whatever cost necessary. Both players can hold down their respective LOS for years to come.
March 10th, 2018 at 2:18 pm
I don’t see the Browns taking Chubb, they already have a deep and young D line group, so we can rule that out, their O line is also solid. If the Browns are going to roll with Taylor as their starter then they could trade back on both picks to teams more desperate for a QB or they could take Barkley at 1 and trade the 4th pick to the Bills.
I wish the Bucs were in the position the Browns are in this year.
March 10th, 2018 at 2:24 pm
Looking at recent worthwhile contributions or lack thereof in posts of …@SB and some others prior to this article of course, it appears funny to me that so many think that they know what they’re “talking about”.
If the status quo for Licht were acceptable, then he wouldn’t have been on the extreme prejudice of the cutting-room floor by the Glazers in this offseason. And if using the previous 4 years of “draft and develop” supposedly done by Licht actually bore any fruit by the mistakes in draft picks, and pitful lack of coaching up the players….then yeah, omniscient contributors like @SB…will certainly put the Bucs in further purgatory.
On the other hand….if the enlightened can see the ACTUAL writing on the wall for only ONE man in Licht, then they would quit trying to “agree” with the philosophy and their own personal preference, and look only at the pragmatic, likelihood that Jason will be using to save his own ass….
Which is…acquire a difference-maker. NOT do as done before which put him here. AND…affect as many wins as possible all in the same draft year, for THIS season only.
So yeah….@SB, 🙂 🙂
people like me with valuable lengthy (and off the beaten path) contributions on all articles posted…and @tnew, maybe Mike Johson, a few others….
WE DO see the forest through the trees, when many don’t.
Guess I must have bumped my head on that tree when seeing, knowing actually….the light.
Hang in there @ SB, and keep contributing all that dynamite rhetoric.
Go Bucs!
March 10th, 2018 at 2:28 pm
Seems kind of weak regarding the statement about the last game and the 7th rather than 5th draft position. With the 5th position, we could likely get more than the two firsts….maybe a third thrown in as well. We will see what happens on draft day if top talent is gone by the 7th pick and Buffalo either trades to someone ahead of us or we don’t get great value for trading down…or we end up with lesser talent at that 7th position. I hope if the later happens Joe, that you will start with something like this….”Really sucks for the crowd that was happy with the last game meaningless win…because we weren’t in position to trade down or pick one of the best players in the draft at 5″. Right Joe? Only fair.
March 10th, 2018 at 2:30 pm
Great article NFLNUT.
Ian B. Is spot on with his analysis. 7 for 21&22 plus low 3 (96) or high 4 (117) if Rosen or any top Qb drops to 7.
Buccaneric75- Those charts (there are 2 the Jimmy Johnson one and a more modern one) useful tool but you can throw them out when it comes to a team moving up to get their franchise Qb.
Gambelero- I don’t see this coaching/GM putting much stock in next year picks in a trade knowing if they don’t win this year it will do them no good.
March 10th, 2018 at 2:31 pm
It isn’t going to happen. Most of the QB needy teams pick before the Bucs. After, not so much!
March 10th, 2018 at 2:59 pm
Out of all the times Winston decides to be accurate on a long pass it knocks Bucs out of 5th draft position. Could prove costly the Harvard qb would’ve been a better option on that drive
March 10th, 2018 at 3:00 pm
I am in the trade down crowd…Joe’s swap scenario of 1st round picks and collecting 2 seconds …no brainer !…too many holes need to be filled …simply can’t fall in love with one player NO matter how good they are.
March 10th, 2018 at 3:18 pm
I am cool with trading down but you have to wait till draft day to see how the board shakes out. What if Chubb or Barkely fall to us and had already traded the pick? I would cry.
March 10th, 2018 at 3:25 pm
Man, the Browns made another move, if this season is another bad one for the Bucs I want Sashi Brown as our next GM. The Browns have a solid WR corps, young TE, solid O line, a QB who is a dual threat and doesn’t turn the ball over, they are about to have a great RB, their D line is deep, they just need to improve their secondary some and they should be set.
March 10th, 2018 at 3:31 pm
Sashi Brown of 1-31 lore? How about a reunion with Hot Rod Marinelli as the head coach?!
March 10th, 2018 at 3:53 pm
Imo, we should stay put and take the best OL in the draft…honestly, I wouldn’t care if we doubled down with back to back OL picks; for 1 we need to be able to protect #3 at all times, also we need to be able to move people off the ball in the running game…Our offensive line was dominated almost on a weekly bases last year, which was pretty disturbing for me personally…
Nelson at 7 and maybe a guy like G/C Isaiah Wynn in the 2nd round…Not the sexy pick(s) every fan wants to see but imo, we need to add some talent and attitude to our offensive line…I know our defense was putrid last year and everyone wants to see us go defense early in this draft, but we can add a few solid vets when free agency starts…Offensive Linemen have very low bust rates in general, so it’s the safest pick…Not to mention, improving our OL play obviously helps the run game, passing game, and even the defense…
March 10th, 2018 at 3:55 pm
Can’t trade down until you know who’s going to be there at 7 and see who we get in free agency!they should start the league year the fist Saturday of March let people enjoy it!
March 10th, 2018 at 4:00 pm
Of course you don’t trade down until your pick….that goes without saying
March 10th, 2018 at 4:09 pm
Im starting to think these top 4 teams wont be keeping their picks if they arent getting QBs. The position is just too important. Consider that teams like the Giants or Colts can trade their picks and still stay in 4th he top ten with both broncos and jets needing QBs theres quite a few scenarios where Chubb could realistically fall in our lap. If not and QBs start falling our pick would be highly coveted.
2 first round picks sounds low ball to me. Especially with the bills. They have two bottom third picks. Need more then that to get in top ten IMO.
March 10th, 2018 at 4:24 pm
OneBuc55…..I agree and I would want Nelson in this draft above anybody except Chubb(for obvisous reasons).
Seen NflNut posting mocks here with the Giants getting Nelson and I agree that’s the way they likely go.
The biggest factors I see in this draft before we get to pick is what the Giants and Colts do. If either of those teams trade to a team behind us, maybe Cards or Bills, then we have a very realistic chance and getting Nelson or Chubb.
Cleveland’s first pick will be big too. No matter if they keep the pick or trade it let’s hope for it to be a QB. If Cleveland’s keeps it and picks Barkley Nelson could be going second.
March 10th, 2018 at 4:31 pm
Well the blame lies on one man’s shoulders, aka crouch grabber, aka finger licking L eater. His selfish look at me actions cost us big time. Had he followed his coaches instructions we would be picking 5th and wouldn’t have to give nearly as much to move up to grab Chubb or Barkley or we would have been given aloot more on terms of draft picks for another club desparate to get the Qb they covet. Instead we pick 7th and almost assured we won’t be in a position to draft either one and realistically miss out on any of the other Blue chip players. (Only three not counting Qb’s). Since Winston blew away those opportunities with his meaningless touchdown why not offer Winston for the 1st and 4th from the draft. I’d draft Barkley #1 and Chubb 4
March 10th, 2018 at 4:42 pm
Then I would use my 2nd and 3rd to get back in the 1st and draft Baker Mayfield or Lamar Jackson. If those two aren’t available Id sign Kirk Cousins or Case Keenum.. By doing those moves we solved our two biggest needs and get a Quarterback who can actually throw it deep and accurate enough to take advantage of our #2 recievers speed in Jackson. And get rid of the likely suspended, innaccurate, selfish, and most of all stupid quarterback. Say what you want but with our even counting our other draft picks or free agents we would already be in a position to win our division. Throw in Norwalk, Trumain Johnson
March 10th, 2018 at 4:44 pm
Then I would use my 2nd and 3rd to get back in the 1st and draft Baker Mayfield or Lamar Jackson. If those two aren’t available Id sign Kirk Cousins or Case Keenum.. By doing those moves we solved our two biggest needs and get a Quarterback who can actually throw it deep and accurate enough to take advantage of our #2 recievers speed in Jackson. And get rid of the likely suspended, innaccurate, selfish, and most of all stupid quarterback. Say what you want but with our even counting our other draft picks or free agents we would already be in a position to win our division. Throw in Norwalk, Trumain Johnson and Poe and we go deep into the playoffs. Winston is all hype, stats, and trouble.
March 10th, 2018 at 4:48 pm
If it ain’t Saquon, Chubb or Nelson, trade that baby away. Licht is money rounds 2-4. (Excluding AguayOhNo of course)
March 10th, 2018 at 4:48 pm
I don’t understand why some of you are so high on vita vea, the guy has nothing but power.he has no pass rush moves,relies strictly on power.he will not be overpowering anyone in the NFL. Everyone is strong in the trenches in the pro’s!we don’t need a one dimensional player,that is what William gholston is.not to mention the guy would die in the heat in the summer in tampa.go watch the Penn state game where he is getting handled 1on1!power alone won’t work vs the big boys in the NFL and his stats in college are hardly overwhelmingly.
March 10th, 2018 at 4:49 pm
Eric
It is a darn good thing you don’t run our franchise.
March 10th, 2018 at 4:51 pm
@JonBuc – you can’t be serious guy…the GM doesn’t play football, the Browns coaches just aren’t getting it done. Take an actual look at their roster and tell me it’s not better than the Bucs, and probably better than a number of other teams.
March 10th, 2018 at 4:59 pm
Eric is a bandwagon fan. He rooted for the saints in that game.
March 10th, 2018 at 5:04 pm
USFBUC…..The Browns don’t even have a QB on their roster. How great of a job could the GM be doing?
And yeah, yeah, they get their choice this year but choosing the wrong QB for your franchise is arguably the most detrimental decision a GM can make.
Rosen is my prediction for bust canidate. So he will likely be chosen by either the Browns or Broncos going by history.
March 10th, 2018 at 5:09 pm
JimmyJack are you not following the news the Browns traded for Taylor at QB, he is going to start for them. Brown just built the team differently than many would have. They now have nearly every piece in place to be a good team. Tighten up the secondary and they should be about set on defense.
March 10th, 2018 at 5:17 pm
USF…..I am well aware they signed Tyrod Taylor. I will stand by my comment. They don’t even have a QB on their roster. That’s my opinion and only time will tell.
But I think this article is very telling. The Bills being speculated on trading up. Fairly obvious it for a QB. Their is a reason they trade Tyrod away. Wasn’t he even benched last year? And he did have a nice little game against our tough defense but make no mistake, that was far from the norm.
March 10th, 2018 at 5:17 pm
Sorry….first line should of read traded not signed. MB
March 10th, 2018 at 5:41 pm
***************
THIS exact trade with the Bills was just written about by Jameis1of1 and can be found here:
https://www.bucsnation.com/2018/3/10/17104882/buccaneers-best-nfl-draft-move-would-be-trading-down-not-up
I agree that we could get the #21, #22 and #96 from the Bills. AND I do think that the Bucs are the perfect trading partner for the Bills as there is no reason for them to jump ahead of the Bucs who won’t be picking a QB, but must not fall below #7 as the Browns, Broncos and Jets will all likely take QBs so there will ONLY BE ONE of the top 4 QBs left at #7 and if the Bills don’t trade into that #7 slot, a team like the Cardinals easily could and then the Bills would miss out on all 4 of the top QBs …
TRADE DOWN, TRADE DOWN, TRADE DOWN!
****************
March 10th, 2018 at 5:50 pm
Nut…I think I read today the Bills have 2 -3rd round picks now
but even in your Ascension the Bucs would then have
21
22
38
69
96
not bad for stocking the shelves &
if the Bills have 2-3’s
the 96 might be a lower number
March 10th, 2018 at 5:51 pm
scenario ….damn spell checker and inability to edit
March 10th, 2018 at 5:56 pm
Bills now have #65 & 96 in the 3rd round
March 10th, 2018 at 6:04 pm
**********************
I think the Bills have 2-1sts, 2-2nds and 2-3rds so after the trade the Bucs would have 2-1sts, 1-2nd and 2-3rds while the Bills would still have 2-2nds and a 3rd along with the #7 overall.
I think it’s a no-brainer trade for both teams provided (a) one of the top 4 QBs is still available for the Bills to draft at #7 and (b) Saquon and Chubb are both off the board for the Bucs at #7.
If the Bucs make this trade they could indeed really stock the cupboards so to speak.
1st = Vea or Bryant or Hurst
1st = Key or Hubbard
2nd = Guice or Jones III or Michel or Chubb
3rd = Anthony Averett
3rd = DeShone Elliott
4th = Chad Thomas or Josh Sweat
5th = Kendrick Norton
5th (trade the two 6ths for another 5th)
7th= DJ Reed RS/CB
^ THAT would absolutely stock our defense with talent! We’d have (2) new DEs, (2) new DTs, a new CB and SS and a backup corner and starting return specialist, along with a new dynamic starting RB … THAT would be a great draft and if we added a CB like EJ Gaines in free agency, we’d be ready to roll!
*********************
March 10th, 2018 at 6:19 pm
I’m afraid Chubb and Barkley will be gone by 7 in all scenarios. Minkah is highly overrated. Watch the tape over the past 2 years. He gets burned way too many times and benefitted from Alabama’s D Line. I would love to trade back, but that assumes another team wants to move up to 7. So what if the Bucs are in the worst case scenario? Nobody to trade with, Chubb, Barkley and Nelson all gone. Who is worth the #7 pick and in an area of need to help the team this year? I don’t see anyone I feel great about.
Given our coaches, not sure I would grab a DB or S. The remaining DTs and DEs seem to be a reach at 7. So let’s think out of the box. Trade up to get Chubb or Barkley. The Bucs need more picks, not less and I’m afraid Licht may offer up our #1 or 2 next year to save his job.
Now let’s think way out of the box. What if the Bucs picked the best remaining QB in an effort to force a QB desperate team to make a trade with us? It’seems a big risk, but another option. But what do you do if nobody will trade with you? Or they lowball you knowing you don’t want to keep the QB?
NO GOOD OPTIONS FOR THE BUCS.
March 10th, 2018 at 6:25 pm
OG Quinton
then
March 10th, 2018 at 6:45 pm
Bucs Guy,
Personally, I’d draft, in order, if they’re available at #7:
1. Saquon
2. Chubb
3. Nelson
4. Minkah
5. Ward
6. Derwin
7. Davenport
Now, how crazy would it be to see the Bucs take one of the top 4 QBs at #7 and then TRADE JAMEIS to the Bills for the #21, #22 and their 1st next year?
I believe in Jameis’ future more so than perhaps anyone on this site … but … stranger things have happened … so you never know.
HOWEVER, I do believe one of the top 4 QBs will be on the board at #7 and that Saquon and Chubb will be gone, so I do see the Bills making a great offer to the Bucs, something like the #21 + #22 + #96 and I think the Bucs would be wise to take that!
March 10th, 2018 at 6:49 pm
Bucs Guy…There are a couple of CBS in most top ten lists. It’s also a deep position this year to get one outside of our first round pick. Getting a G, CB, and RB with our top picks could be a good plan with all 3 of those positions being touted as deep and all major needs for our team.
DT is another deep position but I think we need experienced talent on the line and would rather see us use FA there.
What they do in free agency should give us a better sense of their gameplan.
March 10th, 2018 at 6:58 pm
We MUST get (2) CBs, (2) DEs, (1-2) DTs, (1) RB and (1) SS … O-Line would be nice but is not a necessity.
FA: EJ Gaines and Tre Boston
Draft after trading with the Bills for #21, #22 and #96: Viti Vea, Arden Key, Sony Michell, Harrison Phillips, Anthony Averett, Josh Sweat, Kendrick Norton, BPA, BPA, BPA
All “needs” covered
March 10th, 2018 at 7:02 pm
Nflnut,I like your thinking on the Jamise trade to the Bills.
March 10th, 2018 at 7:03 pm
Nut, I’m starting to think the top 4 QBs all go in those top four picks. Maybe even 1-4. I just don’t know if these team will wait and sweat it out, if there’s a QB good chanc3 they will make a bold move for them.
This draft very well could be very excited at the start with a lot of trades. Probably one of the toughest to predict. How many have ever saw 4 QBs(if that’s what happens) go inside the top ten?
Depending on who trades what we could actually see Chubb fall in our laps. That would be a very welcomed event for Tampa.
March 10th, 2018 at 7:05 pm
^ I would NOT trade Jameis to the Bills but I’m just saying crazier things have happened …
I have a feeling Josh Rosen will be the guy still on the board at #7 and I think the Bills would rather have Jameis than Rosen, but that they will still happily pony up the #21, #22 and #96 for Rosen as they desperately need a new franchise QB …
March 10th, 2018 at 7:06 pm
**top six picks**
March 10th, 2018 at 7:16 pm
************************
JimmyJack,
It could happen though the Colts and Browns would have to trade out of the #2 and #4 and I don’t see the Browns doing that. I could see the Bills trading all the way up to #2 though as the Colts need as many picks as they can get.
Browns: Saquon
Broncos (trade with Giants): Darnold
Bills: Mayfield
Browns: Allen
Giants: Nelson
Jets: Rosen
BUCCANEERS: Chubb
^ The above is VERY possible, though at present I have the draft shaking out like so:
Browns: Saquon
Broncos (trade up with Giants): Darnold
Colts: Chubb
Browns: Allen
Giants (trade down with Broncos): Nelson
Jets: Mayfield
Bills (trade up with BUCCANEERS): Rosen
BUCCANEERS #21-22: Vea or Bryant or Hurst AND Key or Hubbard
*******************
March 10th, 2018 at 7:18 pm
LOL….trading Jameis….where are ndog….webster and a whole host of #3’s Stat carriers….LOL…their heads are going to explode if they catch this thread….
March 10th, 2018 at 7:25 pm
**********************
^ And to think that I, the person who probably believes in Jameis’ future more so than anyone, was the one to bring up the possibility the Bucs move Jameis on draft night.
However … I do think it’s a possibility Sam “White Jameis” Darnold or Baker Mayfield is on the board at #7 as both would be CHEAP for the next 4 years which would allow the team to load up at other positions whereas Jameis is going to be extremely pricey starting next year.
However, I personally think Josh Rosen will be the guy still available at #7 and I don’t see the Bucs moving Jameis to draft Rosen as Rosen is sort of known as the anti-Jameis in regards to leadership and professionalism, as in Rosen is known to have NONE of either … he throws a pretty deep ball though which would make some loonie Bucs fans prefer him over Jameis …
***************
March 10th, 2018 at 7:30 pm
Stangman: I agree completely. It’s what I’d like to see happen–would be a better scenario for the Bucs–but don’t think it’s likely, which is a key difference from forward looking regimes and a management strategy drawback to having all these lame ducks. Joe has referenced it several times.
March 10th, 2018 at 7:32 pm
that last-second pass to Chris Godwin to close the season with a win against the Saints
I was a thing of beauty. Good way to end the season.
March 10th, 2018 at 7:55 pm
Yes Nut that’s one way it could pan out where we get Chubb. Arizona is very likely to make a move up for a QB too. I also wouldn’t rule out the possibility of a surprise team like the Dolphins moving up, maybe they like Tannehill but I would have moved on from him several years ago.
Bengals? Yeah, I don’t think it would be Earth shattering if they made a surprise move.
Some other teams I can think of are probably too far back in the draft(and don’t have 2#1s like the Bills) to move up into top 5 but ya never know.
March 10th, 2018 at 7:58 pm
Nut- are you referring to the DT from FL Taven Bryan when you write Bryant?
March 10th, 2018 at 9:44 pm
Problem is that at #7 is that the Bucs have the Bears, Niners and Raiders right behind them in the draft and all 3 teams seem to have their qb issues settled so it would make more sense for the Bills to talk about a trade with one of these clubs as it may not cost as much to move up to say 9 or 10 as opposed to 7 OR the Bucs go low ball on the value of the pick and not get what JBF posters are speculating which is something I could see Licht doing: want less for a higher pick as it kind of makes sense if you think how the Bucs always seem to make the odd ball decision…… Now if Licht could play Arizona off of the Bills, perhaps he could hood wink someone but you can bet John Lynch, the Bears GM and Chuckie will be playing the same game and its likely Licht will be beat to the punch yet again….
March 10th, 2018 at 9:52 pm
Jimmy – I think you are missing the move by the Browns. Taylor will have a few really good games but for the most part he is a game manager. If you look back on what John Dorsey did when he was named GM in Kansas it’s basically a carbon copy – trade for a game manager in Alex Smith, sign a WR, fill remaining gaps, which in this case is the secondary which he has already started to do.
March 10th, 2018 at 10:57 pm
USF….Its just a matter of opinion. I personally think Tyrod Taylor sucks. I just think he’s one of the bottom QBs in the league. I wouldn’t compare him to Alex Smith at all.
Anyways if the Browns GM is so great results will come and we shall see. In the meantime I’m not looking up to that team as any type of standard over anything.
March 10th, 2018 at 11:23 pm
Barkley is going first now and if Denver and NYJ are still looking for a QB, the Bucs aren’t in position for that trade with Buff. Best case is that the Bills send a ransom to the Colts for pick 3. At which point picks 3-6 are all QBs and Chubb falls in our laps.
March 10th, 2018 at 11:56 pm
********************
Again, I think we’re in a great position to trade with Bills.
The Bills won’t trade all the way up to #3 imho as it would cost them far too much and they CAN’T trade up to #4-6 as all three of those teams wants QBs too, so that leaves #7.
And yes, I know that #8-10 also don’t need QBs but that’s not the point. The point is that at #7 there will ONLY be ONE of the top 4 QBs left to draft, the Bucs will rather trade down than draft the BPA and there will be MULTIPLE other teams that could make that trade instead of the Bills, such as the Bengals, Dolphins, Ravens and Chargers, so the Bills will NEED to pony up or risk losing their new franchise QB.
Again, as I see it right now, it’s:
Browns: Saquon
Broncos (trade with Giants): Darnold
Colts: Chubb
Browns: Allen
Giants: Nelson
Jets: Mayfield
BILLS: JOSH ROSEN
BUCS: #21, #22, #96 from Bills!
*******************
March 11th, 2018 at 1:16 am
@NFLNut
“And yes, I know that #8-10 also don’t need QBs but that’s not the point.”
That is exactly the point. Why trade up to #7 if this 4th QB will still be there at #10? What if the Bills don’t like that 4th QB? What if the Bills do the smart thing and trade ahead of the other QB needy teams at #3?
The #7 pick just doesn’t have the trade value that people think it does.
March 11th, 2018 at 1:22 am
@Blake
Well how would we know if the Bucs would be willing to trade back? What if they fall in love with a prospect and think he is worth a top 10 pick even if the general consensus doesn’t believe that? There are a lot of “what ifs” involved in the draft, obviously.
I agree with you on the Bills. I’m believing the reports that Cousins to the Vikings is going to happen. So if the draft is going to be where they get their QB, it would makes sense to get ahead of teams like the Jets and Broncos and not just settle for whoever they don’t pick.
March 11th, 2018 at 1:26 am
*************
^ You’re 100% wrong imho and I already explained why it doesn’t matter.
At #7 there will ONLY BE ONE of the top 4 QBs left and with the Bucs primed to trade down, ANY TEAM that wants that last of the top 4 QBs is going to have to trade up to #7 to get him, not #8, #9 or #10.
If the Bills would rather have Lamar Jackson or Mason Rudolph than one of the top 4, fine … we can trade with the Bengals, Cardinals, Dolphins, Ravens or Chargers … but I HIGHLY DOUBT the Bills like either Jackson (Tyrod 2.0) or Rudolph (a nobody compared to the big 4 for whatever reason) better than any of the big 4 guys.
So, again, I think you are 100% wrong. I have little doubt that ONLY ONE of the big 4 QB prospects will be available when the #7 pick rolls around so any team that wants him will need to deal with the Bucs to guarantee they get him.
I could see the Bucs calling the Bills and asking for their #21, #22, 2nd rounder and Shady … and the Bills settling on the #21, #22 and #96 … I could Licht calling the Cardinals and demanding their 1st and 2nd and Patrick Peterson … and the Dolphins, Chargers and Bengals and asking a King’s ransom … and one of those teams will pony up imho.
*******************
March 11th, 2018 at 1:26 am
And on a side note, because I’ve seen it brought up a couple times, if the Browns were smart they would still take a QB at #1. They know QBs are going to go before that #4 pick and Tyrod is a FA after this season. They shouldn’t just settle for whichever QBs aren’t picked. Get your guy, Browns.
March 11th, 2018 at 1:32 am
@NFLNut
What if that 1 of the top 4 QBs left at #7 is a QB the Bills don’t like? If they were serious about getting a QB of the future wouldn’t they try to trade ahead of teams like the Broncos and Jets so they could have a better selection of QBs to pick from?
March 11th, 2018 at 3:10 am
**********************
JOEY,
Great questions. However, honestly, I disagree about the Browns taking a QB at #1 and with the Bills needing to trade up higher than #7 to get their guy … from everything I’ve read NONE of the four top 4 QBs have separated themselves from the pack at all.
I also have a feeling the Browns want Josh Allen who most teams probably 4th out of the big 4, so the Browns should have no trouble getting him with that #4 pick and would be rather silly to take him #1 overall imho. To me, if the Browns were going to draft Darnold, Rosen or Mayfield they would NOT have traded for Tyrod Taylor as all three of those guys can start from Day 1, but Josh Allen is the one guy out of those top 4 that could really use at least one year to sit and learn. To me, the Browns not only blew a 3rd round pick on Tyrod, they tipped off the entire league to who they’re drafting … dumb.
As for your 2nd post specifically asking about the Bills. The Bills would have to give up ALL 6 of their picks in the 1st 3 rounds just to get to #2 or #3 most likely, so NO, I do not think they will do that and do not think they should as I believe they can get one of the top 4 QBs at #7, only lose their 1st rounders and their late 3rd and therefore keep both their 2nd rounders and their earlier 3rd rounder, picks which can be used to get some much needed help for the QB they draft.
*******************
March 11th, 2018 at 4:32 am
NFL NUT,
I understand your scenarios except for the suggestion that all 4 QB’S (the top agreed upon 4) are equal. You’ve stated it multiple times that the Bills trade up for one of the 4 and that at #7 one of those guys would most likely be available.
Why do you think the top 4 are so equal that it’s not who is the pick as long is it’s for one of the 4?
Basically, the only consensus among teams is who is not the #1. No one is suggesting that the top 4 is compromised of can’t miss, generational talent. The fact that the top rated QB drafts since 2000 contained at best just 2 players befitting that description. This draft has zero. So it’s fit, preference for one thing or another, that is going to have the effect of differentiating one from the other.
Are you suggesting that the Bills place no value on fit?
I know you don’t believe that this QB class is historic so If the Bills are poised to trade up , considering the set back for a bad decision, isn’t it logical to assume that there’s one player that they desire? And isn’t logical to assume that one or more of the 4 will not be available by the 7th selection? Can you agree that the only way to insure that the team gets the player they want is by being the first team to select a QB? Then one question remains, which pick is the pick that guarantees the team the player they want?
March 11th, 2018 at 4:47 am
Jimmyjack,
Tyrod Taylor’s QBR rankings for last season is 14th. That’s not bottom of league.
He’s not ranked near the bottom in individual stats nor stats that uses compilation or batches for an evaluation. Obviously, if you’re opinion is He sucks it’s valid by definition. I don’t discount it, I think it’s unsupported and that’s where some people would think that the trade to Cleveland was an improvement for the browns.
March 11th, 2018 at 11:24 am
********************
DUKE,
Your posts are great.
Now, to answer your question. Yes, I do think the Bills certainly have a draft board and have personally ranked the top 4 #1-4 on their draft board, so they’d obviously rather have their #1 guy than the #4 guy or their #2 guy than their #3 guy … HOWEVER … they may also know that to get their #1 guy they’d have to get to the #1 overall pick and that the Browns will NOT move that pick, and to get their #2 guy they’d have to move into the #3 overall selection spot and to do that they’d have to trade ALL SIX of their first 3 round picks and they may not be willing to do that. They may also know if they can’t get their #1 or #2 guy they will be at the mercy of the Jets to see whether they select their #3 or #4 guy as the Jets certainly will NOT trade down with the Bills under any circumstances as they also need a new franchise QB. So … all of that said, I think with the Bills sitting so far back at #21 and #22, the best they’ll probably be able to do is to trade up for the 4th QB of the top 4 and take him … or stand pat and not even get one of the top 4 QBs and roll into next year with Nathan Peterman or some journeyman like Sam Bradford, etc.
I mean, honestly, most teams are in the same situation as Buffalo is … even the Bucs. The Bucs desperately want Chubb but probably feel the only way to land him is to get to the #2 spot, ahead of the Colts who most predict will also take Chubb. However, as the #2 pick is worth 2,600 value points, the Bucs would literally have to trade their ENTIRE 2018 DRAFT and even add a 2nd rounder in 2019 just to move from #7 to #2, the team will likely stay at #7 and see who falls to them and simply take the BPA at that time. Likewise the Bills can comfortably trade up to #7 and take the best QB available and be happy, but to get to #2 or even #3 would take so much, I don’t think they’d find it worthwhile.
Also, again, I honestly believe there could be a massive bidding war for our #7 pick if one of the top 4 QBs is still available as I believe one will be, as not only the Bills but the Bengals, Dolphins, Cardinals, Ravens and Chargers could all pony up bigtime to move into that #7 slot.
The Bills could offer us the #21, #22 and #96 worth 1,696 points
The Bengals could offer us the #12, #46 and #112 worth 1,710 pts
The Dolphins could offer the #11, #42 and #198 worth 1,741.8 pts
The Cardinals could offer the #15, #47, #79 and #97 worth 1,787 pts
Heck, the Cardinals could even offer us picks and Patrick Peterson.
I honestly think if just one of the top 4 QBs is till available when we pick at #7 that there could be a massive bidding war for our pick and Licht would be wise to choose the best offer and trade down.
*********************
March 12th, 2018 at 12:38 am
NFL,
Thank you for the kind words.
Ok, I see where you’re going. I wasn’t clear that the scenarios you proposed included additional teams. I think I must of missed it. Now it’s abundantly clear and I am in agreement if one of the top 4 is still available at 7 the team could find itself in a position to trade down. Which is a good idea in most drafts but this one it’s probably a great idea.
March 12th, 2018 at 10:34 am
^ We’re on the same page 🙂