Harold Landry = Von Miller?
February 13th, 2018
Overlooked.
Joe knows everybody and his brother are jumping up and down hoping the Bucs somehow land this Bradley Chubb from North Carolina State.
Yeah, Joe would like to see it happen too. But Joe thinks it is criminal the way folks are overlooking Harold Landry.
Like Chubb, Landry dominated ACC opponents while playing defensive end for Boston College… in 2016. Last year, Landry played most of the season with injuries and that held him back. It also seems to be why he has dropped as a prospect in some eyes.
Bucky Brooks is not among them. A former NFL defensive back and current NFL analyst for NFL Network, Brooks raves about Landry and believes he may be the carbon copy of Von Miller.
When I look at Landry’s game, he reminds me a lot of Von Miller during his time at Texas A&M. Now, that is a helluva comparison for a top prospect based on how the Super Bowl 50 MVP has dominated the league as a pass rusher, but Landry’s first-step quickness, balance and body control are eerily similar to Miller’s movement skills, including the dip-and-rip move that the Boston College star seemingly stole from the Pro Bowl pass rusher.
Boston College has a knack for pumping out good defenders. You might have heard of some other guy from Boston College who isn’t too shabby, Luke Kuechly?
February 13th, 2018 at 5:23 am
Imo Landry isnt a good fit in Tampa. He is better off as a 34 OLB, like Von Miller, than as a 43 DE.
February 13th, 2018 at 5:28 am
Wow Joe, seems like you’re looking for the second coming of Noah Spence … a DE who’s light & injury-prone. We’ve already blown through Jack Smith, and Noah’s still a big question mark at this point. Now you want to add Landry to that stable? No thanks.
Here’s what Walter Football says about him: “Landry belongs on the second day of the 2018 NFL Draft. They labeled his senior year tape as not impressive. Landry had a big drop in his pass-rush production year over year and put together some ugly games in run defense. Sources say that Landry is smaller than his listed numbers of 6-foot-3, 250 pounds, too. They believe he is an inch or two shorter and weighs in the 240s, which makes him more of a linebacker’s body type for the NFL. Teams that run a 4-3 defense have concerns about Landry holding up on the edge as he is very undersized to be a base end.” BTW, when BC played Notre Dame, Nelson had him for lunch (Nelson apparently ‘rag-dolled him’ … LOL).
Of course, looking at that makes me think that he’s EXACTLY what Jason Licht looks for in defensive players. Injury history? Check. Too small for his position? Check. One good year out of three? Check. Yup, a sure 2nd-rounder … after Jason uses our 1st round pick to go offense & our 3rd round pick to go offense again. Good luck defense. Thank heaven we’ve still got Scapegoat Smitty to beat on.
February 13th, 2018 at 5:38 am
One guy I like is Hercules Mata’afa out of Washington State. I just have no idea what position he will play.
He has the size of a 34 OLB (listed at 6′ 2″ 250 lbs but some scouts say he is closer to 6′ 1″ 240), has some traits of a 43 DE, but in college he played DT.
I would love to see him in Tampa but I have no faith in Mike Smith to use his potential versatility as an advantage
February 13th, 2018 at 5:50 am
If he falls to the 3rd or 4th round then he’s worth a shot but he’s a 3-4 LB. Mike Smith loves his 4-3
February 13th, 2018 at 6:35 am
Noah Spence would be perfect in the 34 olb but you.know that won’t happen.
February 13th, 2018 at 7:00 am
There are at least 6 impact guys in the draft and three on this team (Spence, Bond, Beckwith) that would fit in a 3-4. But hey, keep running the 4-3, reach for Adams.. I mean Clayborne.. I mean Davenport this draft and hope we hit one, but by all means continue running a 4-3 scheme.
February 13th, 2018 at 7:16 am
Love the little insights on the less obvious FAs and draft prospects. Keep em coming.
February 13th, 2018 at 7:27 am
Too small for our scheme. I like the Ohio St. kid Jalyn Holmes. 6’4, 275 good speed and long arms. He played in the DE rotation at Ohio St. that included Nick Bosa and Sam Hubbard and did very well, despite limited playing time. He can be had on Day 2, allowing the Bucs to focus on OL, DB on Day 1. Bucs could even trade down in the First (with some team that wants a QB) to get an xtra 2nd rounder. Or….I’d even consider trading a guy like Lavonte David for a 1st rounder, so the Bucs could have 2 first rounders and 2 seconds (I feel they trade down a bit)!
February 13th, 2018 at 7:42 am
im on the Quentin Nelson bandwagon. Our playmakers would benefit from a dominant oline. Plus why not protect the franchise.
February 13th, 2018 at 7:53 am
This is a bad idea unless we are going to a 34 Defense which I am all for given our players seem to align better with a 34 than a 43
February 13th, 2018 at 8:18 am
Bond, Landry and Spence would make a decent group of OLB’s in a 3-4 just don’t think they’ll switch to that this year.
February 13th, 2018 at 8:19 am
Bucs need durable driven winners not another gamble on an injury prone reach
February 13th, 2018 at 8:23 am
No 3-4 until the selfish me first crying clown is infecting some other roster with his locker room cancer with a smile and soft mentality.
I’ve said it for years bucs will never win a meaningful game with cancer93 wearing the C… Results year after year prove me 100% correct.
February 13th, 2018 at 8:49 am
I have seen enough of turnstyle Smith at LT along with his embarrassing penalties. Lindy’s Draft Magazine predicted his pass blocking problems when we picked him and felt his best position was at Guard because of his superior run blocking. We can move down and add more high draft picks, yet get LT Brown, and move Smith to LG where he would eventually be an All Pro, and would be just as good as if we spent our first choice on Notre Dame’s Guard. Take Michigan States’ Center with the third pick or get Baltimore’s Center in Free Agency. Also get Penny with one of your second picks and a 250 pound DE you can convert to an OLB in a three four (there are plenty of those in this draft to pick from—and that is how Denver won their last SB) with your other second pick. Move Marpet back to RG, and start Dotson at RT with Pamphile as your tackle backup. Use Hawley as backup Center and Benenoch to backup both Guard positions. Dump Sweezy and the other Smith to help the cap. Get your CB and S in Free Agency. Use either Silva or our large NT from USC as our NT, dump Swaggy or trade him, use McCoy as your three technique DE on one side and McDonald as your other 5 technique DE or Gholston. Start Noah Spencer or your 2d pick DE, could be Landry, at one OLB position and David backed up by Glanton as the other OLB; Beckwith and Kwon Alexander as your ILBs backed up by Riley Bullock; Brent Grimes and other FA CB at CB and Justin Evans as the Free Safety and the other FA Safety as the Strong Safety or keep Conte there. Draft the Gator’s Placekicker with the fifth pick or later, and Penny can run back kickoffs for TDS too. Add a FA RB from the Browns and you have a team that can reach the playoffs this year.
February 13th, 2018 at 8:56 am
Owlykat
How many times does cancer93 have to publicly state thast HE REFUSES to play DE before people stop suggesting he play de.
What kind message does it send to a young team when the highest paid team captain refuses to do what is best for the team.
February 13th, 2018 at 9:00 am
Boston College season ticket holder here.
Landry had an ankle injury all of last year (literally from Game 1) which really hampered his ability to be effective.
He was absolutely dominant his junior year.
February 13th, 2018 at 9:05 am
3-4? Yes please! Been saying it for years
February 13th, 2018 at 9:18 am
That is why the Bucs will take a very strong look at Mount Vea!!!!!!!!! And if they are serious about winning and fixing the defense, then the so called captain must go!!!!!! I know that dallas would trade very qucik for gmc!!!!!! with the extra ammo for the draft, the defense good turn very quickly into a young up incoming defense!!!!!!! you can find guards, but D-line comes at a premium!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Go Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 13th, 2018 at 9:43 am
@Realist
I’m with you on Vita Vea. Plus I think the Bucs could trade down and still get him along with other picks.
They know they need to upgrade the NT spot next to McCoy which is why they signed Baker. Vea, imo, is the ideal pick if Chubb is off the board.
February 13th, 2018 at 9:53 am
@joeypoppems
the trade down might not be an option after the combine numbers start to come in!!!!!!!!!!!
Go Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 13th, 2018 at 10:26 am
I love talking prospects and think it is so much fun to look at prospects outside of the 1st round.
Having said that, we need a DE that is heavier than this guy. We already have Spence.
I do not think that the Bucs can trade down and pick up Vita Vea. After the Combine he will be set as a top 5-10 pick which does fall at our #7 pick. If no trade down is available, take Vea at #7.
February 13th, 2018 at 10:28 am
The injuries are a concern for me too. But then, we’re not in a position to be that picky. If Chubb falls to us (he won’t because if it looks like he will, someone will jump ahead of us), we’ll get a guy we need. If not, we’ll still get a guy we need.
February 13th, 2018 at 10:30 am
So far as reaching for a pick…here’s how I see it: If we want a player and we don’t think he’ll be there on our next pick, or if we cannot trade back up for him later, then take him early.
The right guy is the right guy, regardless of where ranking think he will go. Take Ali Marpet for example.
February 13th, 2018 at 10:33 am
@Largo
I understand your desire for Nelson. I’ve read more than one site that proclaims him as the BPA in the entire draft…a generational talent who has been hurt by his position. Guard is just not a sexy pick.
And while like you I’d love to get him at seven I’m no longer sure he lasts that long. He has been steadily moving up the board on Walter Football…he’s trending upward and he’s already at 7.
There are a couple of things that make our speculation just that speculation.
First there will be some players who move up/down based on their combines. And somebody will do something spectacular to move up significantly. That starts at the end of the month.
Second…until we know our FA signings it’s hard to know our needs which could change a bit depending on who we sign.
But hey its a sports blog and half the fun is SPECULATION. 😉
February 13th, 2018 at 11:15 am
The Buc Realist Says:
February 13th, 2018 at 9:18 am
That is why the Bucs will take a very strong look at Mount Vea!!!!!!!!! And if they are serious about winning and fixing the defense, then the so called captain must go!!!!!! I know that dallas would trade very qucik for gmc!!!!!!
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so we get rid of GMC and baker and replace them with vea and who?…clint?…or vea and another rookie?…..or vea and which FA signee?…..
vea and derrick nnadi would be good…..but if we trade GMC for a 2nd and cant find a dance partner at #7 to trade down, I would select nelson at #7 with grab nnadi and taven bryan in rounds 2….then grab a RB like Michel, Ronald jones or bo scarbough in round 3…..
#NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!!….GO BUCS!!!!!
February 13th, 2018 at 11:20 am
813bucboi
Licht would have an easier time getting a 2nd round pick for you than receiving anything higher than a conditional 5th for the cryi g clown.
February 13th, 2018 at 11:21 am
harold landry=noah spence…….from a measurable stand point…..I watched him a few times at BC and kid has skills….he’s a good player….but this scheme and defensive staff would ruin him imo…..
if spence learned things from rice that were helpful and that he never seen before, what the hell do you thing smitty is teaching them…..nothing!!!!!
#NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!!….GO BUCS!!!!!
February 13th, 2018 at 11:23 am
@LUV…..can you provide a list of FA DT’s……and what you think it would cost to sign them…..
#NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!1….GO BUCS!!!!
February 13th, 2018 at 11:56 am
Doesn’t seem like moving GMC is an option. It’d be awkward with him touring the country talking about how great we were in losses.
It seems like there’s way more 3-4 OLBs in the draft noawadays than traditional 3 down 4-3 DEs that can rush the passer. Because of this I like the idea of grabbing Vea and moving to a 3-4.
But can GMC/McDonald man those DE spots? I’d think so but I honestly do not know enough about the difference in technique. Kwon/Lavonte are more traditional LBs than 3-4 edge rushers but they have been effective on blitzes so I’d assume they could do well playing ILB or OLB in the 3-4 along with Beckwith/others.
LDE-McCOy/draft pick
NT-Vea/Stevie
RDE-McDonald/Ayers
OLB-Spence
ILB-Kwon
ILB-Beckwith
OLB-David/draft pick
Is that what we’d be doing essentially?
February 13th, 2018 at 12:00 pm
I’m throwing another ACC Defensive End name into the box
Wake Forest Duke Ejiofor
February 13th, 2018 at 12:24 pm
LC
don’t forget d.bond…..scouts projected him to be a 34OLB coming out of OU…..
I understand the 34 talk but do you honestly think this staff can make that transition?…..it took them half the year in 2016 to get going and never showed up in 2017…..
even if we make the full switch are you confident this staff can produce positive results in 2018 while over coming adversity like injuries or the learning curl…..i’ll be honest…I don’t…..not after watch what transpired in 2017…..
and does smitty have experience running 34?….it would be a disaster if smitty is forced to teach something he doesn’t know or hasn’t run in over a decade….players would be clueless and the regression would continue…. but I guess at this point what else do we have to lose…..gotta try something new guess….
#NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!!…..GO BUCS!!!!
February 13th, 2018 at 12:27 pm
tmax
we can get a 3rd for him at worse imo…..dallas and the Texans could use him….
#NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!….GO BUCS!!!!
February 13th, 2018 at 2:14 pm
Oh you mean the guy the Bucs passed up to get Mark Barron?
February 13th, 2018 at 4:27 pm
Yeah 813 I don’t think the 3-4 is happening – and would worry about this staff making that change effectively lol
February 13th, 2018 at 5:25 pm
LC
agreed…..
#NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!….GO BUCS!!!!
February 13th, 2018 at 8:54 pm
I would love to see the 34 to make use of all our LBs we have but as others stated this staff likely couldn’t pull it off. They would have to move GMC too as I am like 90% positive I read somewhere that he has said he won’t play DE in a 34.
February 14th, 2018 at 1:02 am
Harold Landry (6-3 250) is one of the three top defensive ends, in some eyes the best, in this years draft. Landry produced monster numbers in 2016. 50 tackles, 22 TFL, 1 INT, 7 forced fumbles and 4 passes defended. He was ranked third by PFF for pass rushing productivity (16.5 sacks, seven hits, and 44 hurries on 322 rushes) and there top ranked edge defender. Some look at Landry as more of a 3-4 OLB than a 4-3 due to his size, however he plays the run very well with 36 stops, which ranked him No. 2 among returning ACC edge defenders, also in 2016. I agree that it is wrong that he is not considered to be a top ten pick and that the Buccaneers, who need a DE big time, would not consider him in the first round.
February 14th, 2018 at 7:12 am
Owlycat for GM–no doubt! well done especially the offensive line changes–really think Donovan Smith could excel at left guard, I would go with Sony Michel instead of Penny, keep P. Barber as backup, get rid of Sims. Agree with dumping of Sweezy and Evan Smith and Baker. We need to swing for the fences, we have awesome linebackers that could be plugged into 3-4 defense.
Go Bucs!!!!!
February 14th, 2018 at 8:24 pm
BucEmUp Says:
February 13th, 2018 at 6:35 am
Noah Spence would be perfect in the 34 olb but you.know that won’t happen.
If that shoulder holds up after this surgery, that’s where I think he could flourish and help the team. Then get a DE in free agency or the draft. Solved. Next position please.