Bidding War
February 18th, 2018
Bill Belicheat vs. Jason Licht.
This could get very interesting.
The Bucs are hurting at corner. And that’s before you factor in the real possibility that free agent stud corner Brent Grimes may take his talents elsewhere, or just flat out retire.
If that happens, the Bucs are in a world of hurt at cornerback.
This is why Joe has been advocating AC/DC-loving general manager Jason Licht to trade for Broncos veteran corner and former Bucs castoff Aqib Talib, who since leaving Tampa Bay has been one of the NFL’s better corners.
However, Vinnie Iyer of Sporting News believes Talib will be a salary cap casualty. If that happens, Iyer is of the mind there will be a two-man bidding war for Talib — between Bill Belicheat and Licht.
Talib turned 32 this week, and Denver needs to cut him in order to save a good chunk of salary-cap space. Look for one of his former teams, New England or Tampa Bay, to be his next landing spot.
The Bucs could do worse. First, we all know how veteran corners seem to thrive under Mike Smith’s defense (sans Josh Robinson) but young corners are all but ruined.
Second, sure Talib may have lost a step. Yeah, he may not be the corner he once was. But even if he has slipped, try to tell Joe you would trust Ryan Smith over an aging Talib.
February 18th, 2018 at 10:14 am
Didn’t Schiano take over as DC in New England? He didn’t seem to think Aquib was a “Buccaneer man”.
February 18th, 2018 at 10:23 am
Nice jersey. still wish we had them…
February 18th, 2018 at 10:24 am
Pass on Talib….build a team not a roster….extremely rare that these vets fit into a REBUILDING project….and folks the Bucs are a rebuilding project….start with admitting that
February 18th, 2018 at 10:27 am
I would have no issue with Talib and Grimes ad our corners despite the fact that they will need binoculars to see the WR’s they are covering
February 18th, 2018 at 10:30 am
@Whaterboy …shiano stayed in college. ..so there’s that
February 18th, 2018 at 10:42 am
Oh sure – I tell you that it would be stupid to trade a draft pick for a downstating, 32 year old Talib and his too high $12M salary next year. That Denver will just release him and if he wants to be here he will find his way back to Tampa Bay at a more reasonable price and without having to give up draft resources… and Joe ignores that logic.
But when Vinny Iyer of Sporting News says basically the same thing – NOW it makes sense and becomes article worthy…
February 18th, 2018 at 10:45 am
Why would Talib want to play with Cancer93 again?
February 18th, 2018 at 10:52 am
Agents always need to make it a two team race. One team is brought along just for the ride. Is it the Bucs or Pats? More often than not, it’s the Bucs.
February 18th, 2018 at 11:16 am
Interesting
Grimes on one side and talib the other?
“Old man river ” team. I would be ok with that. Grimes is only doing 1yr and big contracts come next year so it’s possible. And gives time to draft the next generation dbs
February 18th, 2018 at 11:25 am
That’s a joke….the patriots don’t get into bidding wars. So it’ll come down to whether you want to compete for a championship or come to Tampa and enjoy the sunshine state while you prepare to retire. Bucs would absolutely have to outbid a winning franchise but licht and the glazers would have to be all in which I highly doubt is the case when you can get younger with fuller.
Key off season for the franchise and licht. So much money where will he spend it.
February 18th, 2018 at 11:37 am
We should revert back to the SB jerseys ASAP…. helmet logo too. Keep the chrome grill.
February 18th, 2018 at 11:39 am
Marcus Peters is available via trade….
February 18th, 2018 at 11:39 am
Talib has won super bowl ring
So pretty sure it would be about dolla dolla bills yo
February 18th, 2018 at 11:45 am
JASON LICHT,
If you truly want to continue your career as an NFL GM you better bing I n Le’veon Bell, Kyle Fuller, Blount, Talib, Ansah, and the best DT on the FA market. Then do your thing in the draft.
Sincerely,
A very concerned Bucs fan
February 18th, 2018 at 11:45 am
While you are at it, add Marcus Peters and between him and Talib there will be no shortage of flameouts to report and constant diversion from the offensive production. Or, dare I say, production that is offensive.
February 18th, 2018 at 11:52 am
Ego they have been rebuilding every year for a decade
February 18th, 2018 at 11:56 am
Marc as far as Dt goes, I’m not sure if they save any money by cutting baker this season but if there is not, considering the was called out by multiple players and he can.potentially be good, if it were me I would intentionally make.training camp a living hell for Baker and let the players know to hold him accountable every week from practice through Sunday.
But then again Mike Smith is still coaching here so….nevermind
February 18th, 2018 at 11:58 am
Joe quick question,if Tampa is able to resign Grimes,will Talib still be on the radar?man how exciting would that be to have Talib and Grimes on the field together alongside Kwon and Lavonte!!!
February 18th, 2018 at 12:04 pm
Vita vea and McCoy
Lavonte and kwon
Grimes and talib
Justin Evans and ?
That would be some serious talent at all levels !
February 18th, 2018 at 12:13 pm
Altered Ego
Certainly respect your opinion but there are many of us who do not view the Bucs as a rebuilding project at all. I certainly concede that we desperately need to rebuild our pass rush and DL…other than that we are in pretty good shape.
First this thread. If the Bucs signed Talib how would that go down with Miko. I suspect it would go down very well as long as Talib’s salary does not dwarf her husbands. Having Brent Grimes alongside of Talib gives us instant cred in our DB’s with hopefully Hargreaves rebounding for that 3 spot.
Sign those two and that takes care of one “rebuilding issue”. I think Evans is going to be a good if not great safety. Our LB’s are as a group in the top ten of the league. But again I concede our DL and pass rush absolutely need to be rebuilt.
On the offense it’s even better. No rebuilding there. The OL definitely needs to be addressed but if Nelson falls to us perhaps another FA…BINGO!
If the OL became like our LB’s top ten in the league then we have 3 RB’s already in house who have ALL averaged 4 YPC for their careers and they are very complementary…Barber is a 225 bruiser…Sims a 205 3rd down back with great hands and Quizz the little guy in the group. Means we need to find one more decent…doesn’t need to be a great guy if our OL improves…RB
Our targets for #3 are close to tops in the league if not the very best group.
Speed with DJAX…power and possession with ME13…and the total package with Chris Godwin. When you add perhaps the best TE tandem in OJ and Brate…#3 and Koetter have a full array of targets. That rebuilding from our desperation of just a couple of years ago is totally completed now. We HAVE our #weaponsforjameis.
Which brings us to the straw that stirs this drink. #3!!! I realize the questions there…possible suspension…more concerning to me is the health of his arm. He seemed fine though the final quarter of the season and so IMHO we have our franchise QB in place.
We are NOT rebuilding this entire team. We MUST rebuild a DL and pass rush almost from scratch…depending on the health of Noah’s shoulder. If he’s healthy and can play most of the season…there is no reason to doubt he’s the real deal….again IF he can stay on the field.
February 18th, 2018 at 12:16 pm
BTW…again I repeat a couple of thoughts…Football is a TEAM sport and we do not wish to throw the baby out with the bath water.
February 18th, 2018 at 12:24 pm
Who would the “baby” would be?
February 18th, 2018 at 12:36 pm
Wouldn’t Licht help Grimes decide to stay if he showed a sense of urgency and brought in some real NFL talent?
While younger is better, I’d welcome any upgrade anywhere on this defense (or team for that matter).
February 18th, 2018 at 1:07 pm
Marc
The babies are our RB’s…OL…DB’s and safeties and certainly our LB’s. I don’t think anybody here is upset with our TE’s and WR’s.
Of course the biggest baby some wish to throw out is #3. I couldn’t disagree more but I DO understand their frustrations and need for instant gratification.
When I think of rebuilding I think only of our DL…and I’m as desperate there as anybody here. I like GMC and am largely a fan…but if the team got a great return on draft choices and dumped Swaggy, Gholston and Ayers for a total rebuild I wouldn’t go nuckin futs.
February 18th, 2018 at 1:10 pm
Marc
BTW I am in complete agreement with you about our UGLY uniforms.
I’m not sure though that we don’t have one more year stuck in them due to contractual reasons.
We can ask Pickgrin or TNEW or Luv…they are our contract guys.
February 18th, 2018 at 1:11 pm
After careful consideration I think if Chubb is gone Vea would be an ok pick at #7. Nelson would be ok too. Otherwise trade down.
February 18th, 2018 at 1:19 pm
Take Peters over Talib all day….he’s younger and a better corner. Both are hot heads so for me that’s a wash. Without pressure on the QB, it wont matter. TEams will just throw everywhere else and pick us apart that way.
February 18th, 2018 at 2:41 pm
The Cleveland Browns are building their team thru the draft, acquiring draft picks and signing only young Free agents….Everybody young
They are hiring the top coordinators and position coaches to teach their young players
WE ARE DOING THE OPPOSITE!!
What is the Plan?
“We are kicking the can and patching potholes”
Kobe Faker
February 18th, 2018 at 2:45 pm
With the way Talib treats cabbies and Jameis treats Uber drivers, if these two go out partying together, they should really consider public transportation.
February 18th, 2018 at 2:46 pm
“Trade GMC, Mike Evans, David, and DJackson”
“Acquire draft picks and build thru the draft”
Kobe Faker
February 18th, 2018 at 3:09 pm
spbf – I think I remember hearing that there’s a 5 year rule on changing NFL uniform designs.
Glazers need to ditch these ugly ass, burger king looking, digital clock inspired clown suits they have our players wearing ASAP. Keep the new helmet but stop super-sizing the logo and just go back to our classic ’96>’13 Jersey design. Simple – clean – attractive. Every time I see an older picture I think – man those uniforms look so much better than what we have now…
February 18th, 2018 at 3:11 pm
Come’om home Talib, and bring Michael Bennett back too while you’re at it…Both these guys would be nice additions to this Bucs Defense…It’s sad, Schiano was here just long enough to get rid of Blount, Talib, and Bennett…at the time, we could have resigned these guys for peanuts……just imagine for the moment what McCoy, Talib, Bennett, and David could have done together…Shame on you Greg Schiano for letting your ego rob Bucs Fans of seeing what could have been another Great Bucs Defense…
February 18th, 2018 at 3:13 pm
and my only qualification for being a “contract guy” is knowing how to use this google thingy to look up player names on spotrac and OTC… lol
February 18th, 2018 at 3:14 pm
The Pats will probably offer him 8-9mil on a 1 year deal … the Bucs may need to offer him 10-12mil on a 2 year deal for him to turn the Pats down … he and Gilmore would give the Pats two TALL nasty CBs and will likely be back in the SB next year … however … Malcolm Butler has almost assuredly played his last game with the Pats, so why not sign the younger Butler … heck, sign Butler and Fuller or Bradley Nickel-Robey or Prince Amukamara, etc … lots of good CBs to choose from and I didn’t even mention the best one (Trumaine Johnson).
February 18th, 2018 at 3:21 pm
@ Faker – what kind of picks do you think we get for those players?
February 18th, 2018 at 3:32 pm
OneBuc55
we did have talib, bennett and cancer93 and still failed. living in the past never works.
February 18th, 2018 at 3:42 pm
St Pete Buc Fan…BRAVO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 18th, 2018 at 3:46 pm
There are so many quality CBs in FA this year, I am really hoping the Bucs address that need before the draft.
February 18th, 2018 at 4:40 pm
We are not rebuilding we just need to
Straighten out our OL and add some depth
Could use 3 new RBs
• Need #1 every down back
• Barber #2
• Need rookie every down back (can play 3rd down as a back up)
• Need 3rd back
Up to 6 new DL players
Up to 4 new corners
Up to 2 or 3 new safeties
QB that doesn’t turn the ball over or throw deep (who can’t throw deep) on 3rd and 4
A coach that can manage the clock and has a plan B, C or D on game day
February 18th, 2018 at 4:51 pm
@tmaxcon
Your hate for McCoy caused you to miss the point…the point was, the nucleus for a really good defense was there…especially when David came in…Imho McCoy is elite in his own right…Is he the best ever? No…But he’s easily been top 3 at his position pretty much his entire career, so give the guy a break…
February 18th, 2018 at 5:01 pm
If we had a team that was close id say yes
But we are 3 drafts away
February 18th, 2018 at 5:01 pm
Kobe
Are you seriously trolling us? LMAO Cleveland…they won NO games last year.
They are the worst franchise in the league…we even hate being called Cleveland south.
But I’ll troll you back dude. If you were serious you’re about 4 years too late.
Imagine this….how many draft picks would we have gotten if we hadn’t used a 7 on Evans but instead traded down and maybe came up with three picks…LUV and others here are better than me on trade value of draft picks…but I gotta believe a #7 could have fetched a few picks.
Then the next year the top draft pick in the league….with not one but two “cant miss” franchise QB’s on the board…how many draft picks does Jameis’ pick cost?
What if we hadn’t even considered any other position in the past 4 years and placed ALL of those draft picks in the OL and DL until we literally had the best OL and DL in the league…even with the 50% failure rate of draft picks. I think Licht would do well overall…remember he would be restricted to just linemen…no mistakes on kickers! LOL I think we would have two incredible lines 4 deep each side in stars or at minimum Ali Marpet level….GMC level…stop the squalling TMAX crowd…I”m talking talent not attitude or effort. The fierce competition at ALL the line spots would toughen up GMC….or provide attitude changes. The biggest dudes in the locker room would be our best, most aggressive athletes. We’re talking 12+ players counting the practice squad which would be deep enough for NFL level talent to plug and play in case of injury.
These two lines would be peaking right about now…we NOW use our 7th pick for a QB unless one of our FA’s or UDFA’s is a mini Brady.(Again four years to discover a QB in trade, FA, UDFA wherever. After our QB pick this year we could’ve had an excellent pick left for the RB and WR’s.
A killer blocking TE would qualify under the OL rule…e.g. I like OJ as a blocker and he makes our OL better. So OJ stays until somebody beats him out which I simply do not see happening.
Meanwhile we’d obviously end up with far too many linemen pretty quickly. No sweat imagine the level of competition with that setup. Hopefully by 4 years it would trickle to our practice squad. This fierce competition would also improve the guys we traded to fill out our roster. We have the potential of even getting a better deal than the draft. Because this would be a true Cleveland “draft picks” strategy…meaning total rebuilding…we play everybody. NO undiscovered jewels slip away to other teams because we play them and see them under the lights with other first stringers. Again the ones that don’t make it would end up like Garrappolo and we’d get full draft value and more and not miss on diamonds in the rough.
OK….how was that for some serious trolling. *snark font off*
Gotta admit though it is kind of fun to play these games.
February 18th, 2018 at 9:31 pm
Absolutely wonderful to see Joe finally figured out that you don’t have to waste vaulable draft picks for aging Talib. You can just sign him and or even better yet Trumaine Johnson.
February 19th, 2018 at 3:19 am
I can’t stand our uniforms and we need a sun cover on Ray Jay like Miami just put on Hard Rock. Go Bucs