Wave Team Glazer Loot At Carlos Hyde
January 11th, 2018
Niners bruiser Carlos Hyde
Yes, your Bucs need a legitimate No. 1 running back, a valuable and reliable guy who can run the ball — and catch it — and carry the load along with emerging Peyton Barber.
Enter big, bruising 49ers RB Carlos Hyde, who is infinitely better than Doug Martin. Hyde averaged 4.2 yards per carry through the last two seasons, amassing 1,926 yards and 14 touchdowns while missing just three games.
He can play — and he produced for some brutal 49ers teams with a bullseye on his back.
Various beat writers out of the San Francisco Bay area believe Hyde will hit the free agency market when the dinner bell rings in two short month. Hyde, the Niners’ second-round pick in 2014, turns 28 in August.
The Bucs regime has proven it has massive issues evaluating running backs. So Joe is aching for the team to sign a guy with a clear pedigree, much like Joe was yearning for Latavius Murray to replace Doug Martin at this time last year.
There is no question the Bucs need to improve at the running back position. Do it before the draft.
January 11th, 2018 at 10:45 am
I’m glad we didn’t sign Latavius. I think Barber is a straight up better RB with a more well rounded skill set but that’s just me.
Hyde on the other hand – is a 3 down talented RB moreso than a guy like Murray – who is a 2 down back with great straight line speed and size but not much more.
I kind of like Dion Lewis just as much though… That guy is what Charles Sims was supposed to be. Lewis / Barber + draft pick would be a dynamic backfield. Hyde/Barber would be more of a straight power backfield – and we could always ad a speedy scat back in the draft to that. Either is better than Martin/Sims by a mile
January 11th, 2018 at 10:45 am
Hyde is staying with the 49ers he has a legit QB there
January 11th, 2018 at 10:53 am
According to our owners, fools gold.
January 11th, 2018 at 10:54 am
We only have so many draft picks. If we can get a player like this that can start immediately we can focus on DE in the draft… All for this signing.
January 11th, 2018 at 10:58 am
You draft your own key players and supplement in free agency not the other way around. There’s no reason a stupid don’t office and coaching staff should be labeled stupid ass they are them add desperate to the equation because our fanbase and the media is desperate. There are younger better backs that we don’t have to overpay to leave a team that seems on the rise to come to a team that can’t seem to get it right.
January 11th, 2018 at 11:00 am
I already suggested we go after Hyde in an earlier thread today.
@doolnutts is right the Bucs have a lot of holes on defense(DEx2, DT, CBx2 and SS), but if the Bucs can fill some of these holes in free agency then they can have more freedom in the draft.
January 11th, 2018 at 11:01 am
I agree with this. Carlos Hyde is worth it.
January 11th, 2018 at 11:02 am
Todd
Ignorance must serve you well
January 11th, 2018 at 11:03 am
They bolster every position on the FA but in the draft I want
Bradley Chubb DE NCST
Sony Michel RB GA
they should be able to do that in rd 1-2
January 11th, 2018 at 11:14 am
Dave Says:
January 11th, 2018 at 11:03 am
They bolster every position on the FA but in the draft I want
Bradley Chubb DE NCST
Sony Michel RB GA
they should be able to do that in rd 1-2
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No way we’re getting Chubb unless we trade up.
January 11th, 2018 at 11:20 am
After watching the Buckeyes over the years I believe Hyde is just as good as Elliott. Its just that Eliott has a better offensive line to run behind.
January 11th, 2018 at 11:20 am
Injury problems. The best ability is availability. He has been thoroughly unavailable the last few years. What happened the last time that we waved money at an injury prone RB to be our feature back?
January 11th, 2018 at 11:32 am
No Dave! just open your eye,and maybe you can see we have a mental case for a Qb!!
January 11th, 2018 at 11:32 am
We have to pay Kwon, Evans, Marpet, DSmith, and Jameis in the next 2 years, Hyde sounds doable considering RBs don’t cost much, but he’s missed a lot of games and RBs don’t age well he’s going to be 28 in September
January 11th, 2018 at 11:33 am
HES GOING TO BE 28 BIG NO THANK YOU
January 11th, 2018 at 11:33 am
dave is right
chubb #1 sony michel #2
January 11th, 2018 at 11:34 am
Chubb might make it to 7 if he runs a 4.8
January 11th, 2018 at 11:39 am
Don’t resign Grimes. Throw money at Trumaine Johnson and Prince Amukamara you can get on the cheap. Go after Dontari Poe, and then draft the ND OG, and grab a running back in the 2nd round. You do not want to sign a 34 year old CB.
January 11th, 2018 at 11:39 am
Trade down get anything in way of more picks this draft isn’t top heavy, especially at 7, the top DE, RB, and CB aren’t that much better than the 5th best this year, luckily we don’t need QB, WR, TE, or LB, fire Licht if he drafts a kicker anywhere before the 6th, there would be a riot, but we need more picks, hoping Licht gets a couple of FA starters for both lines and a decent corner
January 11th, 2018 at 11:41 am
I’d go Dione Lewis from pats
January 11th, 2018 at 11:42 am
We could have had Alex Collins for nothing. Glad Martin isn’t around anymore to clog their heads.
January 11th, 2018 at 11:42 am
I have to side with Guzzie on this. Why sign a 28 year old Hyde? He’s a polished version of Barber. I mean I’m not vehemently opposed if that is what’s available. I’d like to see some fresh blood in there and I think Barber has earned the additional work-load.
January 11th, 2018 at 11:45 am
@Dave … “Bolster every position on the FA but in the draft I want … Bradley Chubb DE NCST; Sony Michel RB GA. They should be able to do that in rd 1-2.” Same #1 & #2 I’m hoping for Dave, but whether they last to #7 pick & #39 pick is anybody’s guess. Picking a RB that high in the draft is obviously contingent on having some great free agency signings. No to Carlos Hyde being one of them … Jameis needs a stud RB to grow more experienced with; one who can cause the opposing DLines to think twice rather than unloading so often because they don’t respect our run game.
January 11th, 2018 at 11:55 am
A lot of people on these threads keep saying no way the Bucs get Chubb from NC State in the 1st but I think there is a good chance he is there when the Bucs pick.
Every draft the same thing happens QB’s and to a lesser extent OT’s get drafted very early and this year you have a running back that will also most likely get drafted before the Bucs pick.
Regardless it would not surprise me if Bradley Chubb and Sequan Barkley are both available when the Bucs draft at #7.
January 11th, 2018 at 12:15 pm
Unless Barkley runs way faster than Michel, which is unlikely, they are really close in terms of overall skills, whether Michel lasts to pick 39 is yet to be determined, but there are 5 other backs available in the top 3 rounds that are heads over what we have now, not including Bark and Michel, Josh Adams, Rashad Penny, Nich Chubb, Kerryon Johnson, Ronald Jones, and I know I’m missing a couple of guys, fix the trenches sign a high priced guy draft a top guy on both lines
January 11th, 2018 at 12:35 pm
I like how this site keeps pimping these free agent signings. There is a reason these players leave. Micheal Bennett? Seriously. Lol. The Bucs are taken advantage of year after year. If this team had a decent coaching staff they would be able to build their own players instead of buying talent that has no allegiance. Some never learn. How is this team unable to draft a RB and turn them into a great player?
January 11th, 2018 at 12:39 pm
Yes but don’t the Niner’s have that guy who had a cup of coffee in our training camp backing up Carlos. That probably gives them confidence to let Hyde walk.
LMAO….OK snark font off now.
I agree with Joe on this for sure….”Do it before the draft.”
Yes the draft is already dedicated to DE’s…and more DE’s. But the bottom line is that for all the desire to build through the draft if you think about it that’s impossible. You can get your key players through the draft but just do the math.
53 man roster to fill our. 7 picks per year. 50% failure rate means 3-4 players a year…let’s be generous and say 4 players every year from the draft who becomes a career starter for the Bucs. In ten years that’s 40 players still well short of the 53 needed.
I’m a big fan of building through the draft…I support drafting BPA in the early rounds…but the draft is just a piece of the puzzle and I think FA’s end up being almost as important…looking at this year’s playoff teams and the rookies and FA’s involved…it’s clear we need both.
January 11th, 2018 at 12:41 pm
Hyde is fine if he’s gotten at a decent price. However with this o-line and Dirk’s predictable run up the gut on every first down and don’t use playaction passing until week 13 of the season, it’s hard to see him doing much. Hyde, in my memory, is also an injury prone guy. I’d like the pickup in FA *IF* Dirk is going to be the Dirk coaching for his job late in the season and not the dope at the beginning of the year who is super predictable and then everyone wonders why the team is getting 2.9ypc even when Doug was suspended (you know because Martin was the issue, right?).
January 11th, 2018 at 12:48 pm
Im a big advocate of signing Hyde. With Damien Harris going back to college, that could make it so the tier 1 RBs are all gone before our second pick (Guice, Chubb, Michel). With Hyde it gives us the flexability to either pounce on someone like one of the above if theyre still available, or a 3rd round RB who fell.. someone like Ronald Jones maybe. or even wait till round 4 for a guy like Akrum Wadley. Just gives some flexablilty in the draft and improves the running game no matter what happens.
January 11th, 2018 at 12:50 pm
I honestly stopped watching Bucs games after week 6, I’d keep an eye out but always knew what the outcome would be, this team leadership is a joke, Winston included, after the victory over Atlanta 2016 opener he was all over the place acting like this team arrived, same thing this past offseason, talking about family and all that crap, champions don’t need to talk only chumps like GMC, seriously contemplating turning in my Bucs fan card lol
January 11th, 2018 at 12:57 pm
Guzzie – kewl story brah, thanks for sharing.
January 11th, 2018 at 1:08 pm
If the Bucs are going to add veterans/potential free agents in the offseason, here are the additions I think make most sense:
1. Michael Bennett-DE
2. Malcom Butler-CB
3. Eric Reid-S
4. Carlos Hyde-RB
Draft Chubb, Nelson or Key in the 1st round because it boosts the trenches.
Draft RB, Michel, Penny or Jones in 2nd round.
Besides coaching, we need to get more talented & more physical. This is a start.
January 11th, 2018 at 1:32 pm
Chubb gone before 7
Michelle gone before 39
The Bucs need to be prepared for anything so they need to sign vet fa’s to contracts like chis bakers. He didnt work out and bucs can cut him with no cap penalty. Perfect. People who act like you only build through the draft just dont pay attention. The reigning champs have an entire backfield along with cooks,hogan & amendola. On defense half the players and 6/11 starters were not drafted by the Patriots. You build through all avenues available and if you put in fail safes in veteran contracts ala Bakers deal you can cycle through the mistakes. Hopefully they are far and few between going forward but even the great Patriots have aquired dome duds.
January 11th, 2018 at 1:46 pm
Joe there are so so many quality RBs in the draft, I think we’re going to shot our shot at an RB in round 3-4
January 11th, 2018 at 1:53 pm
Barkley, Guice, Adams, Jones, Freeman, Chubb, Harris, Michele, Penny, Walton, Gaskin, Wadley.
Right there are 12 RBs that will likely be good enough to earn playing time in a back field by committee approach with Peyton Barber. Since 2000, the earliest that RB #12 has been drafted is the 4th round, and there were 5 first round RBs that year. There’s value to be had at RB in this draft..
January 11th, 2018 at 2:02 pm
I’d get butler and lewis for sure
January 11th, 2018 at 2:03 pm
no thanks Lewis stinks
January 11th, 2018 at 2:08 pm
theodore Says:
We could have had Alex Collins for nothing.
Good to know I want the only one complaining about not drafting him
January 11th, 2018 at 3:20 pm
I’ll just add my 2 cents here. I like Carlos Hyde but free agents are nearly always overpaid. Also, not unheard of for running backs to come into the league and be successful immediately. DE rookies, even high picks have a much bigger learning curve. Plus the Bucs need to really start being aware of positional spending. RB, is valuable, but no need to have that position be a huge chunk of salary cap unless you draft a generational talent and want to keep him around.
Spend the money on the DE. The Robert Quinn article has me thinking. But Ansah is very attractive too.
No matter what the Bucs need some good luck this off season. Last season was a terribly unlucky one (other than the draft which one could argue was a long term success but maybe not in short term), with many things that could go wrong did. Seems every gamble the Bucs made last year came up short.
To right the ship, chances will have to be taken. Lets hope the pendulum swings towards us.
January 11th, 2018 at 3:36 pm
Stop with the drafting a RB in the first round nonsense.
First things first…
Revamp and add to the offensive and defensive lines. Go ALL IN on the lines this offseason.
Fix the trenches, fix the Bucs.!!
January 11th, 2018 at 4:12 pm
So far as I am concerned, the Bucs can dump all of their running backs and start over. Sign Carlos Hyde and then 3 undrafted FAs, because they cannot do any worse than what we have.
Peyton Barber isn’t that great either. He’s a straight ahead runner, and once teams know that, he’s be stopped constantly. Rodgers and Martin both suck. Sims is a good pass catcher…but he still does not produce regardless.
Get rid of all of them. Start from scratch.
January 11th, 2018 at 5:23 pm
Devonte Freeman is a FA RB from the Falcons. Weaken them and strengthen us. Win win!
January 11th, 2018 at 5:54 pm
Hey Joe what are the chances the Steelers let Leveon Bell test the market?and if they do should Tampa try to lure him?also other player to keep an eye on are Malcolm Butler CB,Dontari Poe DT,Nate Solder OT,and Ezekiel Ansah De.those are all players that can make an instant impact on this Tampa roster
January 11th, 2018 at 8:09 pm
If you want to fix the Bucs, history as shown you must start at positions that are closest to the ball. Both OF and D lines. Anything else is sexy but doesn’t work.
January 11th, 2018 at 10:24 pm
Sony Michel should make it to rd 2 because there are about 4-5 RBs ranked higher than him and not that many should go in rd 1.
Bradley Chubb should be there at 7 because
2 QBs are going (possibly 1-2 more if teams panic ie. NYJ)
S Barkley RB is going
An O Lineman from ND or Texas is going
Fitzpatrick DB is probably going
DE Arden is going (hopefully they don’t start realizing Chubb is better)
It’s real easy for Chubb to drop to them. Most predict he’ll be there.
January 11th, 2018 at 10:26 pm
1. De Chubb
2. RB Michel
Rounds 3-5 in no particular order-
OL
DB
DL
January 12th, 2018 at 1:19 am
I’m not nearly as big of a fan of Barber as most people seem to be but even with that said spending a draft pick on a RB should be the least of the Bucs issues. They need tons of depth at corner and on the defensive line, they need either a stud LT (so they move Smith to RT) or they need a RT for the future, they need another safety – and oh yeah, they need a ton of depth at corner again.
I don’t by any means think Barber is a 16 game starter, but I also don’t think there is a big difference between Barber and Hyde if it’s Dirk’s run it up the middle every first down offense. I’d bring in a vet at the right price to compete with Barber and let him see if he can straight up win the job or not, but I’d be spending those important draft picks on defensive ends and DBs and do that in every round.
January 12th, 2018 at 2:02 am
I’d rather try and throw a bunch of money at Le’Veon Bell than Carlos Hyde, that or draft a back in the 2018 class because it’s stacked with talent.
January 12th, 2018 at 2:23 am
I am all in on RB Carlos Hyde. Its obvious that our priority need is defense and in particular DE, CB and DT. Our best bet would be to go all-in on either Ezekiel Ansah or Demarcus Lawrence. At DT Dontari Poe, Star Lotulelei or Sheldon Richardson paired up with GMC would be dominating. These first three picks would be an infusion of new blood for the defense.
1) CB Denzel Ward (5-11 190) Ohio State
2) DT Taven Bryan (6-5 293) Florida
3) DE Chad Thomas (6-6 275) Miami
January 12th, 2018 at 4:58 am
pass on this guy…we need more dynamic
January 12th, 2018 at 6:45 am
How many people who believe Michel is the second best back or first heard about him or seen him play before the OU game? I don’t believe I read his name on this site once before the OU game and now it’s “we need Chubb and Michel”.
You guys may want to see who was the starter for the season and find out why he was beforehand. Hint, Chubb + Chubb = ?????