Very Average Jameis
January 4th, 2018
Ranked at NFL.com
Spin the performance of America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston, however you wish.
The reality is he is an average NFL starting QB.
Joe realizes that’s painful for many Bucs fans to accept. But that’s just fact. Line up the 32 NFL starters and Jameis is middle of the pack.
Is that a slam on Jameis? No.
Again, it’s just reality. How many teams would trade their starter for Jameis?
Gregg Rosenthal of NFL.com did his annual year-end ranking of quarterbacks and placed Jameis at No. 17 overall. And Joe thinks the assessment was fair, or very close to it. Jameis was 15th last year.
Winston didn’t play as well as some of his numbers suggest (4th in YPA, 6th in yards per game), but he didn’t play as poorly as the Bucs’ record indicates, either. Three years younger than [Jimmy] Garoppolo and two years younger than Wentz, Winston is still on schedule to be a top-10 quarterback.
For the record, Rosenthal is among the many on the bandwagon of undefeated Garoppolo (No. 12 overall). He’s got Tyrod Taylor, Marcus Mariota, Dak Prescott and Derek Carr ranked below Jameis, respectively.
Jameis should improve next season. We hope. Somebody has to get through to him to cut the foolish turnovers in half and stay more focused. How long will it take?
Barring a radical change in the Bucs’ makeup, they’re simply not going to win the NFC South with the fourth-best QB and the fourth-best coach in the division. Those positions must improve.
January 4th, 2018 at 3:56 pm
Hooked on Stats…..
January 4th, 2018 at 3:57 pm
this goes to further show that Jameis and the QB position is the least of the Bucs concerns in offseason….
January 4th, 2018 at 4:07 pm
NextGen and nfl.com stats say different but if Rosenthal said he’s 17 with all the time Rosenthal has spent on the field then Rosenthal is correct.
January 4th, 2018 at 4:08 pm
now if coaching, defense and play calling could be at least average rather than piss poor we might be on to something!!!!…GO BUCS!!!!
January 4th, 2018 at 4:09 pm
the fourth-best QB and the fourth-best coach in the division.
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Joe you obviously haven’t looked at Cams stats this year and you can’t tell me Ryan is better than Winston. That’s just crazy talk.
As for the 4th best coach I can’t argue with that.
January 4th, 2018 at 4:13 pm
I wonder what the HOF’ers at NFLN have to say about Jameis? Like Kurt Warner, Deion Sanders and Willie Mcginest have to say bc who gives a flying duck about what these authors have to say? They prob have never buckled up a helmet or pads.
January 4th, 2018 at 4:19 pm
Winston is already a top 10 QB and will continue to improve over the next few years.
Despite the shoulder injury, the crap season as a team and little to no help from the running “attack” – Jameis did make some improvements in his game this year – it was just hard to see because of all the losing.
– Completion percentage way up (3% increase over a season is significant)
– Yards per completion up
– Yards per game up
– Interceptions down a tick (2.5% down from 3.2 in ’16- under 1 per game)
– Overall QB rating up a good bit (6 points to 92.2)
Based on the results of this year – Jameis still needs work on red zone execution and ball protection when pressured. Beyond that – simply NOT trying to do too much when its obviously a “very risky” situation.
He’s getting there. If this team can ever manage to field an above average OLine that run blocks and pass protects with equal success and also keeps the mindless big play and drive killing penalties to a minimum – watch how quickly your Buccaneers Quarterback becomes a star QB in this league.
January 4th, 2018 at 4:20 pm
Jameis’ overall stats were better but he has to improve on the turnovers. This is the year that he must learn that he can’t win on every play. He has the targets now let’s get a real RB and a average line and Jameis will be fine.
January 4th, 2018 at 4:25 pm
Man I can’t wait to watch the same people argue about whether Jameis is the messiah and soon-to-be the next Brady, or America’s groping turnover machine, for the next 9 months until we play a real game again.
Sucks we never have anything to root for in January.
#ItsABucsLife
#TheGlazersAreGreat
January 4th, 2018 at 4:27 pm
Just seeing how his # 5 / # 7 / # 12 QBs from last year are now ranked #21 / #20 / and #23 validates that he’s not looking at the bigger picture really whatsoever; and likely not taking into account how much a teams situation helps /hurts their performance; in terms of what the QB actually has to do.
January 4th, 2018 at 4:28 pm
Pick
I’m watching Tenn get beat this weekend. On one play Mariota is getting sacked so he throws the ball up in the air ala Jameis Winston. The announcers says “great job by Mariota trying to make something out of nothing and throwing that ball up for grabs before he gets sacked.”
Mariota has 15 Ints
Winston has 11 Ints
Mariota – good job on that boneheaded play
Winston – bad boy bad bad boy BAD! Stop boneheaded plays.
Lol, smh.
January 4th, 2018 at 4:31 pm
@unbelievable Incorrect! We do have a team to root for in January, the Tampa Bay Lightning. In fact, Licht and Glazers should closely study how they run their franchise
January 4th, 2018 at 4:31 pm
Same old s…!😠
January 4th, 2018 at 4:33 pm
JW turnovers always will be a problem. Not me. I’m okay where JW is at. The antics needs to stop but come on. JW is young still and plays for team that Tandy has close out games than their highest paid defender.
Look at the big picture here
January 4th, 2018 at 4:33 pm
Unb
The Messiah is better than Brady! There I said it. Was Brady even allowed to play at 24? Maybe we should compare their college records since Brady was a back-up for 2 years before he got a chance to play. Oh wait he was a back up in college too my bad.
I guess we’ll just have to wait until the Messiah plays ten yrs behind the best HC in football and one of the better defenses in the past 13 years.
January 4th, 2018 at 4:35 pm
Unb
My bad had to re-read your post. Carry-on good sir…
January 4th, 2018 at 4:36 pm
Fair.
Simple as that.
January 4th, 2018 at 4:37 pm
Db55
U have every outlet in the world defending Marriota blaming his last year injury, poor coaching. JW gets no respect.
The issue with the perception of JW turnovers is Koetter
Koetter is always blaming JW for his short coming and team losses.
January 4th, 2018 at 4:37 pm
Eh, didn’t mean to click Submit so quickly. Jimmy Garappolo ranked 12th is ridiculous.
January 4th, 2018 at 4:44 pm
Lamarcus then too. Fml
Interestingly enough if not for jameis ignoring koetter and calling his own plays koetter would be 3-13 and very likely unemployed. So yea that’s jameis fault. Fml
January 4th, 2018 at 4:45 pm
This keyboard has a mind of its own.
January 4th, 2018 at 4:52 pm
Yards and TDs that don’t equate to wins is vanity metrics. Where are all these yards and TDs in the close games? If he was a dynamic QB, he would pull out the close games. But he’s too busy throwing into double, triple, quadruple coverage or fumbling the ball away.
Routinely, the Bucs failed to score more than 10 points in the first half of games throughout the season. Where did all these TDs come from? The garbage 3rd and 4th quarters when we’re already too far behind and the defense is playing zone to keep everything in front.
Winston has to prove he’s better than the other QBs in the South. Till now, he’s been too inconsistent to compete with Brees or Ryan. At the most, he’s doing musical chairs with Cam. I don’t care that we have the worst team, I’m talking about consistently making the right throw. Someone should research the number of throws per game, the number of 3 and outs, and red zone TD%, and total TDs in the 4th Q and compare the numbers to the other QBs in the South to get a real idea of what’s going on. Koetter, to a fault, has relied on the passing game so Winston has had enough opportunity to rack up stats.
Winston threw more TDs than Marino before 24. But, it took Marino 25 games to get 68 TDs in 1.56 seasons. It took Winston 48 games in 3 seasons to get 69 TDs. Who has the more eye popping stats?
January 4th, 2018 at 4:53 pm
Bet a running game would improve his numbers. And a couple sacks by the DL gives us better field position.
January 4th, 2018 at 4:54 pm
Amazing how things can flip in only a year. Last season Carr and Prescott were praised and hailed as future elite. Keenum and Bortles were complete trash, and Matty Ice was MVP. Goff was a bust in the making. Garrapolo was Brady’s jock holder.
The guys that turned it around all have good defenses this year and stud RB. The ones that fell off had no RB or missed time with their guy.
January 4th, 2018 at 4:57 pm
Jimmy G came in with no game tape. Next year he is gonna be just another guy.
January 4th, 2018 at 5:00 pm
Fanalyzer34 Says:
January 4th, 2018 at 3:57 pm
this goes to further show that Jameis and the QB position is the least of the Bucs concerns in offseason….
it may be the least of the worries for QB …..but BARELY ONLY because some of the spots of some positions on bad players on both sides are so bad
meaning….Jameis needs to improve next year MAJORLY #1 pick caliber
January 4th, 2018 at 5:04 pm
Db55
You are right. Jameis is the best ever He is better than Brady. Can I send you money or something so you will stop posting here?
Read the post. Even the Joe’s are starting to question Jameis (although he is still americas qb). Never knew a qb could fumble 15 times in one year. Calling him average Is spot on this year. 3 good games doesn’t mean he is the messiah.
You have got to be in Jamies inner circle with lamarcus.
January 4th, 2018 at 5:11 pm
Winston had 6 INTs in two games and was 1-1 in those games – and in the game the Bucs lost against the Vikings the loss literally had nothing to do with Winston as the Bucs were down like 21-0 by the 3rd time the Bucs offense had the ball.
Also the fumbles didn’t come from lack of pocket awareness, instead you had bad snaps or Jameis holding the ball after being told by everyone that he can’t “force” the ball into places and yet Dirk runs an a deep ball offensive where you need to hold the ball longer and the offensive line was once again terrible. So Jameis is told not to force the ball and it’s not part of the offense to roll out where he could throw it away, nope he’s a sitting duck in a collapsing pocket trying to keep the play alive – and Jameis does that as well as anyone in the NFL. In Winston’s rookie year he had no issues with fumbles -why was that? Because one, he just forced the ball so he didn’t hold onto it as long, and two, he had good offensive line play and three, he had a very successful running game.
Improve the offensive line and watch as the fumbles go down. Also Marpet isn’t a natural center, he played fine by at guard he’s a pro-bowler at the very least. The Bucs really should move Marpet back to guard and get a natural center, I think that might help. Oh and having a center play all year, that would help too as that was a big difference between 2015 and 2016/2017.
Finally for the number guys, put Winston in a modern short pass offense and his QBR would raise dramatically if you care about that stuff. Right now Winston plays in a deep ball 1980s offense – and I’m not even against that, but that offense will lead to more TOs by the simple fact the ball is in the air longer.
Overall Winston, when he was healthy, had a great year. Clearly something wasn’t right when he was injured as the ball had no zip, but once he was healthy again at the end of the year he was back to being himself and he played extremely well.
January 4th, 2018 at 5:18 pm
his high YPA is a positive but it also invites some drag on some other stats QBs are judged by. i’m guessing that if his average attempt\completion was a shorter throw, his completion % and INT rates would both look better. Jameis is a QB in a deep ball, playaction based passing attack with a shaky run game. He is not going to have the cleanest stat sheet under the current circumstances
January 4th, 2018 at 5:28 pm
Bird Says:
January 4th, 2018 at 5:04 pm
Db55
You are right. Jameis is the best ever He is better than Brady. Can I send you money or something so you will stop posting here?
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Yes most definitely! How much we talking? I’ll take 30k if that’s not too much. Lmk.
January 4th, 2018 at 5:35 pm
pick6 – Actually on the playaction part, that really isn’t true and it drives me nuts. Dirk for all of last year and most of this year would consistently run up the gut on first down for the first 2 1/2 quarters of the game, then when the Bucs would be down he’d come out in shotgun on first down. It drove me nuts. He spent the entire game building to what should be successful play action passes, and instead he tells the defense what he’s going to do by coming out in shotgun, often an empty set shotgun. Dirk didn’t do that in 2015 when he was just the OC, and in fairness the last few games of this year he seemed to suddenly remember how playaction passes work and went back to it. It can be a huge asset for Jameis by keeping defenses on their toes, and while I don’t have the stats to back it up, when the Bucs did run first down play action passes it seemingly always resulted in a first down over the last 3 games of the year.
As for the rest you’re very correct, the Bucs play a 1980s deep ball offense, an offense where good QBs routinely threw 20 INTs in a season. People that just look at box scores really fail to understand what is happening in games – and the fact Winston had only 11 INTs this year is a fantastic sign, in particular since 6 came in two games and Winston was 1-1 in them.
January 4th, 2018 at 5:43 pm
Fair assessment of where Winston is right now. I tend to rank him a little higher but that’s mostly based on potential but like the great Bill Parcels used to say potential means you haven’t done it yet.
January 4th, 2018 at 5:50 pm
Jameis is easily the best QB the Bucs have ever had, and although I wanted the Bucs to trade down in that draft, I am happy we have him.
Jameis, hire a full-time chaperone to baby-sit your gropers, and keep doing what you do on the field (besides the desperate ball-flips in mid-sack).
January 4th, 2018 at 6:07 pm
So Jameis is an 8-8 QB right now…with an 8-8 at best coaching staff.
January 4th, 2018 at 6:16 pm
Hard for me to understand all the focus on Jameis this & Jameis that. Jameis is OUR franchise QB … that’s it. He ‘ain’t goin’ no place’ as they say. Jameis is improving steadily, although not fast enough, in some areas, for some of us (deep throws, accuracy on certain throws, etc). Like Pickgrin said, his completion % is steadily improving … that’s a good thing.
What’s not a good thing is that our time-of-possession as a T-E-A-M DECREASED this year, for the first time since 2014. This year we were at 29:43 TOP (5-11 record). In 2016 we were at 30:48 TOP (9-7 record). In 2015, TOP was 28:33 (6-10 record). As our TOP improved, so did our record. Once it slid, so did our record. So did our points scored BTW (342 in 2015 to 354 in 2016 to 335 this year). Maybe I’m wrong, but there appear to be some parallels there … More Points Scored = Better Record. Higher TOP = Better Record. (OK, so it MIGHT also have something to do with keeping our defense on the bench while our offense chews up the clock and scores points).
January 4th, 2018 at 6:29 pm
Being first or last on some list is meaningless.
January 4th, 2018 at 6:43 pm
Pickgrin!Jamie is not a top 10 Qb. Nice try!
January 4th, 2018 at 6:54 pm
Potential is what you get drafted for…. 18-27 with 59 turnovers is what he is.
January 4th, 2018 at 7:06 pm
Well , drug Martin & barber will not cut it ! Martin is a bum & people can arguee me all they want but barber is at best a good backup with fumbling issues ! Get a very good back in here and jameis can do what he is best at which is play action . yes he does need to work on red zone & ball security but that will come with better play calling that fits what jameis can do once we get a top back his play will drastically improve ! And if we didn’t have the 32nd ranked defence in the leauge maybe he gets more chances in games to improve on his numbers…go jameis & go bucs !
January 4th, 2018 at 7:11 pm
Reducing turnovers obviously will lead to improved stats. When you turn the ball over, you no longer have said ball.
When you don’t… you still have said ball, attempt more passes on longer offensive drives and, voila. better offensive numbers.
It ain’t rocket science.
January 4th, 2018 at 7:16 pm
Nate,
Undoubtedly, Jameis has to continue to improve. But the same can be said for everyone in the NFL. Based on what he did this season, the arrow on him is pointing up. The major question is whether or not the current infrastructure of the organization top to bottom is set up for Jameis and every other Buccaneer (present and future) to ultimately be successful.
January 4th, 2018 at 7:18 pm
Stats are for losers. You go with the eye test, and Jameis looks very much like an average QB. Above average in some areas, below average in others. Still a young man, but a three year starter in the NFL. Will he get much better and turn into a real franchise QB? None of us know. We will all just have to watch, wait and see
January 4th, 2018 at 7:30 pm
Alaskan Abdominal Snowman Says:
January 4th, 2018 at 4:54 pm
The guys that turned it around all have good defenses this year and stud RB. The ones that fell off had no RB or missed time with their guy.
Max Says:
January 4th, 2018 at 4:57 pm
Jimmy G came in with no game tape. Next year he is gonna be just another guy.
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Both statements are completely true!
I think Jameis will be just fine with a better run game / o-line. And for the love of god can we get a couple damn pass rushers?
January 4th, 2018 at 7:35 pm
Id like to see Winston use his legs more. That alone should cut some of his turnover issues. It’s been speculated that Dirk has co a he’d him not to run and that is supported by the stats. It would also help us in the redzone, when you look at his rookie year and see 6 rushing TDs.
That’s only half the battle as he needs to understand game situation and when to make risky throws. The third INT from Sunday is a good example. He should have never threw that ball. Understanding game situations is something the great ones have. Winston needs to get this if he’s going to reach a higher level.
The there is the slow starts. Not sure what the solution is but he seems to lack focus early in games. Surely a running game will help but we still need our QB to make throws. Coaching has to figure this out. It’s been a problem for 3 years. We are not going to win consistently if our offense cannot give the D a lead to play with.
Every one says fix the D but maybe if they had leads to play with they could play a little more confident and take a few risks of their own. This team was built to win with offense and was a total failure at doing that this year.
January 4th, 2018 at 7:57 pm
Hey Joe, I almost cried when I read this. So proud of you. First time I’ve seen you be objective about jw and be realistic. Then you’re not paying attention.–Joe I’m so use to you sucking his ***. He’s not a bust yet but he’s FAR from ready
January 4th, 2018 at 8:13 pm
He is better than Cam. 3rd best. IMO of course.
January 4th, 2018 at 8:14 pm
In Rosenthal’s piece he cited advanced stats from PFF and PFO. Advanced stats there have Jameis in or just outside the top 10. To Munch’s point, Jameis is 3rd in ALEX, which measures how often a qb throws beyond or behind the sticks on 3rd down. Only Rodgers and Wentz are better.
Some people say the only thing that matters is wins. Ultimately that’s right, but people who think that way never accomplish anything in life. All of us have been in serious discussions about the outcome of a game when some smart-a says the team with the most points will win. Analyst will sit there with a straight face and say some variant of the team with most yards and fewest turnovers will win. The question serious contemplators on this board are pontificating is why did we lose? And it’s corollary what changes will make us better next year.
Our defense was 30-32 in every major metric. Our offense was 10-12 in most (with one huge exception) metrics, with our passing game 5-9 and our running game mid to high 20s. The one area we didn’t do well was scoring TDs and points. How do get a huge variation between yard per play and total points stats? You start with a slow pace. The Bucs ended up with a whole-games-worth fewer drives than average. You add in a defense dead last in plays per drive. Then, you play totally scared and ignore fourth down math. We punted on fourth and 4 from Arizona’s 39 down 14-0. Anger had a great punt to the 5, but the Cards went 95 yards in just 7 plays. You call two runs for two yards every time you get in the red zone. Finally, you run it every single time on second and one or two.
Getting rid of Jameis is the wrong answer. Give him better oline play and the fumbles will go way down. Play faster and the false starts will go down. Recognize when you’re in four down territory. Stop being so predictable, so scared in your play calling. And most of all fix the defense, the pass rush, the soft coverage that left us 32nd in the league in 3rd down stop percentage, worst historically since 2010.
January 4th, 2018 at 8:23 pm
Jameis has all the talent and ability to be a great QB!
So did Jeff George.
George had mind boggling ability. He lacked the maturity and decision making to be a great QB.
George was not Driven to be great. Jameis is.
I hope that makes the difference
Jameis’ decisions on the field are questionable at times.
He has to improve, for this team to improve.
3 interception games will be losses, more often than wins.
If he is found guilty on the Misconduct in the Uber incident, after all that he has been thru l, then his decision making may always be flawed
January 4th, 2018 at 8:40 pm
If Winston cuts his turnovers in half, *** that, if Winston STOPS MAKING STUPID DECISIONS we’re a 12-4 team next year
January 4th, 2018 at 8:42 pm
BrisnBuc,
Stats are not for losers. Stats are for people who understand them.
January 4th, 2018 at 8:47 pm
Which of Winston’s fumbles were solely his fault? For e everyone complaining about Winston’s fumbles you do not know.
January 4th, 2018 at 8:56 pm
Joe is much more concerned with where Patrick Murray is ranked among league kickers.
January 4th, 2018 at 10:04 pm
Here is a fun stat for team JBF…
In 2017, Winston led or was tied for first place in:
Fumbles (15) – led NFL alone
Fumbles Lost
and
Fumble Recoveries!
Hopefully, he will get better but he has work to do. I think he knows what he needs to do as we saw signs of better play at the end of the year. I think it hit him that if he plays poorly that he can get a coach fired. I don’t think he wants that for Koetter regardless if there was a bump in the road between them.
January 4th, 2018 at 10:20 pm
Someone get a squeegy for this thread. Geesh.
January 4th, 2018 at 10:46 pm
Logged on
Sorry, but stats are for people that don’t understand real football
January 4th, 2018 at 10:47 pm
He is still on pace, we just expected more this year because of the receiving corps. I don’t know what the issue was with D Jackson and OJ Howard needs to be targeted more.
A little better blocking and a little better play calling and…..
An actual RB
The turnovers do not worry me that much because most great quarterbacks struggle with turnovers their first few seasons and Jameis is very young still
January 4th, 2018 at 10:50 pm
Capt Tim
Comparing him to Jeff George is absolutely asinine. Jameis is a leader and can read defenses and has work ethic.
Jeff George had a strong arm and nothing else
January 4th, 2018 at 10:52 pm
The more apt comparison is farve.
He was a guy who had trouble with turnovers early in his career because he was a gunslinger and had a strong desire to win and tried to make too much happen sometimes.
He got better. He was also a leader with work ethic.
January 4th, 2018 at 10:58 pm
Lambchop
Why are you talking about Mariota ??
What does he have to do with anything anymore? JW is the quarterback of the Buccaneers, Mariota is not.
Petdonally, I think they are both going to be very good… if Mariota doesn’t get hurt from running too much. He’s too small for that crap, hence all the dink and dunks that they call for him
January 4th, 2018 at 11:10 pm
Fake news. The majority of Winston fumbles were not his fault actually, most were on our atrocious OL such as strip sacks and the constant bad snaps by Marpet (counted as quarterback fumbles unfortunately)
Here’s a complete breakdown of every QB fumble from this season https://www.reddit.com/r/buccaneers/comments/7npjlh/ocbutterfingers_a_look_at_jameis_winstons_15/
January 4th, 2018 at 11:15 pm
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HAHAHAHA, what a joke article … I can’t believe Joe would buy such nonsense, let alone promote it.
Jameis was #1 in the entire NFL in passing yards per game in his healthy games … by a lot!
He finished a year in which he played hurt much of the time and finished 4th (elite) in ypa and 6th in ypg (elite … and despite missing parts of 2 games which kills “per game” stats) and he set CAREER highs in nearly every important statistical category this year – and yet he DROPPED from #15 to #17? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA …. THE MEDIA IS FILLED WITH ABSOLUTE LOONS!
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January 4th, 2018 at 11:19 pm
Jameis needs to cut down the fumbles first and foremost or nothing else will matter. He improved with his interceptions this season so hopefully next season he will shore up the loose hands.
What he needs more than anything is a running back and offensive lineman. Seeing the mocks so far I’ve seen a lot of the guard from notre dame. That would be a fantastic pick and then go RB in the 2nd and maybe a tackle in the 3rd. Hopefully we can get at least 3 impact starters from free agency and 4 from the draft
January 4th, 2018 at 11:20 pm
Jameis Winston has a 18-27 career record. Cam Newton has a 62-45-1 career record, with 4 playoffs and a Super Bowl appearance. How is Jameis Winston a better QB than Cam Newton? SMDH
January 4th, 2018 at 11:25 pm
And I don’t want to hear about the passing yards. Cam Newton has 29,394 total yards and 212 TDS.
January 4th, 2018 at 11:33 pm
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BTW, the ENTIRE LIST is a complete crock.
If it’s based on just this past season, which it is, how in the world can the author of the article have Kirk Cousins ahead of Case Keenum or Matt Ryan ahead of Jared Goff or Mariota ahead of Bortles … it’s all hogwash.
The entire article reads like a 12 year old wrote in and the rankings have no rhyme or riddle to them at all.
Mariota at #19 but Andy Dalton at #26? Um, what NFL was the author watching? Dalton vastly outplayed Mariota … it wasn’t even close.
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January 4th, 2018 at 11:42 pm
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LAKELAND,
Jameis is a far, far, far better QB than Cam Newton … if the Panthers had Jameis I’d be picking them to win the NFC … as-is I think they get knocked out in the 1st round.
Cam is a great athlete but he’s a below average passer … he benefits from a dominant defense, period.
You quote ridiculous TEAM w/l record to try and prove Cam is a better INDIVIDUAL player which is just dumb. How about you look at passer rating, completion percentage, you know things that allow one to actually differentiate between QBs?
By the way, take Cam’s one 15-1 season out and his career record is 47-45-1 … not impressive, but even that doesn’t matter as you know full well that inferior QBs have won rings and had great TEAM w/l records while superior HOF QBs have retired with a losing career record or never won a ring … don’t play dumb … because when you do … you appear to be dumb …
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January 4th, 2018 at 11:43 pm
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BucsFan90 was right …. THIS ARTICLE DESERVES TO BE READ …. THIS IS ACTUAL RESEARCH AND ACTUALLY WORTH BEING READ UNLIKE THE DRIVEL PUMPED OUT BY MOST TALKING HEADS ON MSM:
https://www.reddit.com/r/buccaneers/comments/7npjlh/ocbutterfingers_a_look_at_jameis_winstons_15/
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January 4th, 2018 at 11:55 pm
Cam Newton WR depth chart
Devin Funchess
Russell Shepard
Brenton Bersin
Kaelin Clay
Mose Frazier
And TE Greg Olson missed 11 games this season
And Cam Newton is Carolina leading rusher
January 4th, 2018 at 11:58 pm
Facts are NEVER dumb
Facts are REALITY
January 5th, 2018 at 12:16 am
Jameis Winston 3 seasons in the NFL
Yards passing | 11,636
Passing TDs | 69
INT | 44
Rushing yards | 513
Rushing TDs | 8
Cam Newton first 3 seasons in the NFL
Yards passing | 11,299
Passing TDs | 64
INT | 42
Rushing yards | 2032
Rushing TDs | 28
You are really dumb to rank a QB on his passing alone
January 5th, 2018 at 12:18 am
What would you rank a quarterback on, blocking?
January 5th, 2018 at 12:25 am
Cam Newton
9 Fumbles lost
Jameis Winston fumbles lost
19
January 5th, 2018 at 12:27 am
Joe, that wasn’t for you
That was for NFL Nut
But I rank QBs on passing,rushing, turnovers, touchdowns, wins etc
January 5th, 2018 at 12:40 am
NFLNut you keep me sane. I really don’t understand what games some of these people watch. And sometimes it appears the media just takes the easy way out and regurgitate a bunch of repeative GARBAGE!
That’s why I watch the games for myself, do my own research, pay attention to those who have proven they also do research themselves and then based on FACTS, I gather my OWN opinion.
“You’re entitled to your OWN OPINIONS, but Not YOUR OWN FACTS!”
Their are some on here that try to make whatever they perceive about JW fact.
But NFLNut and a few others hopefully we will be able to gloat later on…oh well it’s going to be a long offseason!😑
January 5th, 2018 at 12:49 am
I just looked up the ESPN QBR stats that no one understands and they say the top game of the year by a QB was none other than… Brock Osweiler. LOL! Week 15 against the Colts he put a 99.2 rating, which is the highest of the year.
That Brock performance must have been legendary to beat out Case Keenum’s performance against the Bucs.
January 5th, 2018 at 1:02 am
Just to show how big of a crock those fumble numbers are, I looked it up and apparently they charged Jameis with the fumble at the goal line in GB – which is complete and total BS. He handed the ball off to Barber who mishandled the handoff and fumbled and Jameis got the ding for that, not Barber.
January 5th, 2018 at 2:21 am
@Dave,
Where did I mention Mariota?
January 5th, 2018 at 2:25 am
@Dave,
I’m talking about Marino because every Jameis homer thinks Jameis is great because he broke Marino’s record for TDs by the age of 24. I repeatedly see people coming to Jameis’s defense with that. My point is, stats alone don’t tell the whole story – especially when great stats don’t equal wins.
You’re welcome for letting me connect the dots for you.
January 5th, 2018 at 4:49 am
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LAKELAND,
If you have a team with a bad line, bad receivers and bad running backs than I would take Cam ahead of every other QB in the NFL … however if you have a team that relies on passing first, I would take Jameis and probably 20 other QBs ahead of Cam every time.
It’s similar to the Marino vs. Elway debate … Jameis is to Marino as Cam is to Elway … one is a far, far, far better pure passer and the other is a far, far, far better “do it all athletic talent” … don’t get your panties in a bunch … you know I am 100% right 🙂
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January 5th, 2018 at 5:00 am
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Lambchop,
Don’t be stupid …
Marino’s 2nd season was the greatest season any QB has ever had at any time in their entire careers … it’s better than any season Brady, Manning, Montana, etc., ever had, no matter old they were. NO ONE is claiming that Jameis, right now, is better than Marino … no QB in the history of football has ever been “better” at passing them Marino … none.
However, to try and poo-poo Jameis being #1 ALL-TIME in both passing yards and passing TDs before his 24th birthday is stupid … yes, he only topped Marino by 1 TD but he also topped him by thousands of yards … and he also obliterated Peyton Manning’s marks at that age … and every other QB isn’t even in the same ball park!
To date, in the entire history of the NFL there have been FOUR QBs whose careers got off to paces that just obliterated every QB before them when they were Jameis’ current age, save one (Marino) in Mannings case, and those four QBs are: FRAN TARKENTON, DAN MARINO, PEYTON MANNING and JAMEIS WINSTON … that is just a FACT whether you like it or not … and to think a Bucs fan wouldn’t like that FACT makes it very obvious that such a Bucs fan is also just a biased Jameis-hater … LOON!
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January 5th, 2018 at 8:04 am
When Jameis starts stringing together WINS, we can talk about where he ranks among his peers. Until then he’s the QB on a 5-11 football team, what do you compare that to? The Browns, maybe?! S.F.? Indy?
I don’t care what excuses you run out for him, the ONLY stat that matters is W’s!
He gets a “golf clap” for everything else.
January 5th, 2018 at 8:23 am
What would you rank a quarterback on, blocking?
Winston is clearly first in the NFL in QB blocking. McCown is a close second. 🙂
January 5th, 2018 at 8:30 am
The point of the fumble stats above was to paint the whole picture of Winston’s performance in 2017. Passing stats are a part of that but not the whole picture.
Good news is> The Bucs are not the Browns…we have a legit QB. Kizer is over rated and narcissistic domer hence his benching. Winston has problems but they are all fixable with coaching and training work.
Bad news> I am concerned they are going to keep Bajankian/Monken and he will have no new voice and not grow out of this as a result.
January 5th, 2018 at 9:41 am
Jameis did something in the last game that he really didn’t do most of the year. His running was decisive, including the TD run. Dirk waited all year to throw the jump ball (not the fade route) to Mike Evans on the 2 point conversion. Jameis is one of the best in the red zone when it comes to not turning the ball over (between the 20’s that is a different story). I expect both jameis and DK to take major steps to improve their game this offseason, where for both of them it has slowed down. On another note, what are the Glazers waiting for in bring Derrick Brooks on board in the front office.
January 5th, 2018 at 12:08 pm
BucsFan90 Says:
January 4th, 2018 at 11:10 pm
Fake news
Please tell me we are not using Trump political verbiage to describe the Bucs play. I hope not as that would be “sad”. lol
I guess the fumbles didnt happen in your mind? In ref to article, sorry but the analysis regarding accountability was poor and biased toward Winston.
At the end of the day, the fumbles occurred and Winston was the person in possession or getting possession of the ball hence why the stats reflect so. This is an area he needs to focus on and he would tell you that himself.
On the comment that Winston reads DEF great, I question your knowledge of QB play. Its his achilles besides the turnovers. This is the area where a 3rd year QB makes the most progress and I didnt see much in 2017. He doesnt audible rather only checks down. He is not there yet and that is okay. This is the main reason I have been chiming that he needs a new coaching voice other than Bajankian or Monken.