Did Team Glazer Dodge The Bullet?
January 4th, 2018
“Hey Ed, you know if Bruce Allen had any clue about the draft, I could have gotten you two more rings. Love ya’ man!”
A lot of Bucs fans to this very minute have to buy a new toothbrush because they chewed the head off their previous tool, incensed that Team Glazer didn’t bring back Chucky.
It looks as if Chucky is heading to Nevada with a pitstop in California. All signs point to Chucky coaching the Raiders.
As with anything Chucky, Joe won’t fully believe it until Mark Davis introduces him at a press conference.
But is Chucky a wise hire, for any NFL team? Jim Rome of CBS Sports has serious questions as he points out Chucky was a very ordinary coach for the Bucs once he willed the team to the franchise’s lone Vince Lombardi Trophy.
Rome wants to know from Raiders owner Mark Davis, is he getting the Chucky that was outrageously successful with the Raiders, or the Chucky who had a losing record and no playoff wins in his final six seasons with the Bucs?
Could it be that Chucky may not live up to the hype? Did Team Glazer dodge a bullet?
See Rome’s take below.
January 4th, 2018 at 11:07 am
Gruden had little in the way of players to work with plus Glazers gave up 4 top picks to get him… He would have turned the bucs into a nfl powerhouse instead of bottom feeders!
January 4th, 2018 at 11:08 am
Very strategic wearing the FFCA visor in front of Team Glazer. #GlazerLootIsTheBest
January 4th, 2018 at 11:20 am
No we didn’t dodge a bullet, we will keep being the bucs. For all the crap Gruden takes for the draft, he wanted Brian Westbrook but was overruled and given Marquis Walker. He didn’t want Gaines, and he came to the Bucs down 2 #1’s and 2 #’2s. He didn’t want to draft Chris Sims ect ect. He will win and win some more Just like he did in his 1st trip to Oakland. Jameis and Gru would have made magic
January 4th, 2018 at 11:26 am
Raiders will be 11-5 next year challenging for the AFC championship the bucs 6-10, you want to hear some b*tchn wait til jan 2019
January 4th, 2018 at 11:28 am
Gruden will take the Raiders to the playoffs & super bowl way before the Bucs. IMO I think he will make the playoffs in 2018 with theRaiders.
January 4th, 2018 at 11:35 am
of course they dodged a bullet… trying to recreate a failed past is pure insanity. especially if the coach has failed miserably last time he had full control over grocery purchases… gruden will fail in this new NLF… limited practices, and all the soft mentally weak players like cancer93 will be crying like they did when schiano was in league. not to mention chucky’s volatile personality offending these snowflakes daily there will be chaos in his locker room.
mark davis is ten times the owner the glazer clowns are so maybe gruden dodged a bullet. fair argument given the fact the bucs have not won a game that matters in 16 years and glazers clearly do not demand excellence from front office or players.
January 4th, 2018 at 11:43 am
I am with a few other bucs fans…I don’t give a sh.. about who the coach is I just want to see wins and play offs and hopefully a super bowl. As for the Gruden thing I’ll wait to next year this time to comment about that
January 4th, 2018 at 11:44 am
No playoff wins, but two Division Titles and three winning seasons in his last four years.
Typical biased cherry picking Chucky bashing. (“last six years” – no consideration to super bowl year)
But that’s ok, we will find out if the local hack media and the morons who ran him out of town are right.
I mean he can’t possibly succeed in Oakland/Vegas right?
January 4th, 2018 at 11:50 am
Eric
division titles with one and done in the playoffs is MEANINGLESS…. Raise your standards. If you don’t compete in the post season your season is a failure regardless of regular season titles or wins… one and done in post season is not contending that is pretending
January 4th, 2018 at 12:06 pm
cant answer that question yet….we’ll know who dodge a bullet and who get hit with a bullet oct 2018….that’s normally when we know its time to start looking at the draft or looking like an actually NFL team….GO BUCS!!!!
January 4th, 2018 at 12:08 pm
Yeah I Know Tmaxcon, making the playoffs and wining the division are no accomplishment at all.
Makes perfect sense.
Wouldn’t be fun at all if the bucs were divisional champs and playing in the playoffs this weekend – at home.
January 4th, 2018 at 12:10 pm
I think Gruden is outstanding for many reasons that I have listed in the past. That being said I truly hope Koetter becomes the next Belichick. In essence, Mark Davis, by his contract that he is rumored to be giving Gruden, is saying he implicitly trusts Gruden. The Glazers by not committing to Gruden all that he asked do not. (Actions speak louder than words). Gruden was smart to demand what he has. He didn’t want the Glazers to get angry after two 9-7 seasons (like they did in the past) and and just discard him for the next flavor of the day like they did before. With the type of commitment it looks like the Raiders are giving Gruden he will be with them a long time. I hope this doesn’t turn out to be another blunder that is another catastrophic decision. (Doug Williams, Steve Young, Bo Jackson, Alvin Harper, Raheem Morris, Greg Schiano, Lovie Smith etc…)
January 4th, 2018 at 12:10 pm
The issue with Jon was always the picking of players not the use of them. If he ever just trusts someone to pick the players with him, not for him with his demand, then he could be one of the best coaches of all time. He was a master at getting the most out of the players on his teams the problem was that he put garbage players on the field so there was only so much they could do. His selection of QB’s included Brain Greise, Bruce Gradskowski, Chris Simms (more McKay than him but still), Rob Johnson, Jake Plummer and of course he passed on a guy named Aaron Rodgers.
January 4th, 2018 at 12:13 pm
@ Miken
Stop being another delusional buc’s fan who think Gruden is the “Savior” and best coach ever.
I’m thinking you have completely forgot about the “Gruden years” with the bucs after the SB……..only 50% winning record…….he was not a God send then and most bucs fans wanted him gone and Monte Kiffin running the show.
I guess you also forgot about how arrogant he was, never developed a QB, terrible at developing younger talent….only wanted washed up vets like Tim Brown and Charlie Garner……
need I say more?
So go ahead and keep living in the past
January 4th, 2018 at 12:16 pm
@ Perimeter Blocker
Stop being another delusional buc’s fan who think Gruden is the “Savior” and best coach ever.
(see post above)
January 4th, 2018 at 12:18 pm
Lots of teams passed on Aaron Rodgers.
You left off winning the Super Bowl with Brad Johnson, and the Division Titles with Sims and Garcia.
But anyhow, things have improved mightily since Chucky left. That’s obvious.
Can you imagine the fawning and bragging by the Joes if Dirk Koetter would win Two Division Titles and have three winning seasons the next four years?
OMG, they practically organized a ticker tape parade for 9-7 last year.
January 4th, 2018 at 12:19 pm
If the Raiders turn into a championship team under Gruden, it will make the Blazers look really bad.
Also, people forget the success Gruden had with the Raiders before coming here. They were one tuck rule play away from the Superbowl the year before he came here. Gruden would have had the Bucs in the playoffs every year if the Blazers would not have closed the checkbook on him while buying their kickball team
January 4th, 2018 at 12:20 pm
Glazers *
January 4th, 2018 at 12:23 pm
Glazers gave up a 1st and 2nd rd pick in 2002 and 2003 to get him my question is what happened in the 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007 and 2008 drafts. There plenty of time to put together a young core.
January 4th, 2018 at 12:25 pm
Gruden brought in his own GM puppet in 2003 after winning that 1 super bowl so I find it hard to believe he didn’t have significant say over who was drafted.
January 4th, 2018 at 12:26 pm
And the fabulous young core assembled from 2009-2017????
Allow me to list the accomplishments:
January 4th, 2018 at 12:26 pm
They’ll get the guy they had before he came here. Because unlike the cheap ass Glazers, Mark Davis will spend money to go get guys that make his team better. Not to mention that as a coach I’m going to listen/respect a owner more that has been around football his whole life and knows about the game, then three f@$ktards that know NOTHING about football or what it takes to build a contender. I can’t wait till next year when Jon’s got the Raiders playing for something meaningful, while this band of miscreants continues to step on they’re own d!%k and have another losing season. I’m sure they’ll find a way to spin it, and have all you sheep out there keep believing and supporting them saying how, “we need to give them another year”.
January 4th, 2018 at 12:28 pm
@bucsanthem… everything I post was true. By 2004 we were in cap hell because we paid big Bucs to everyone including Gramatica and Brad Johnson and had to start cutting good players. Sure Gruden made some mistakes but your clueless on a few thing. @003 was disappointing, we should have made a deep playoff run, but by 04 the window was closed bc Johnson was hurt and they had to go with Sims who he didnt want. I forget Grudens last 5 years??? No… Have you forgotten the last 10 without him?
January 4th, 2018 at 12:30 pm
Raiders were 12-4 last season and wouldn’t done some damage inn the playoffs if Carr didn’t go down so I wouldn’t be surprised to see Gruden have early success I’m more interested to see if he can sustain success or improve on what they already have.
January 4th, 2018 at 12:32 pm
@ BrianBucs
Yeah, I guess YOU forgot he had one of THE BEST ROSTERS ever assembled for an NFL team. I mean, LOOK AT THE PLAYERS on this roster…….ANY DECENT COACH would’ve been successful there…..cmon now.
Quarterbacks
12 Rich Gannon
8 Marques Tuiasosopo
3 Rick Mirer
Running Backs
23 Madre Hill
25 Charlie Garner
40 Jon Ritchie
47 Tyrone Wheatley
32 Zack Crockett
28 Randy Jordan
Wide Receivers
80 Jerry Rice
81 FL/PR Tim Brown
84 Jerry Porter
82 WR/KR James Jett
83 Marcus Knight
87 Alvis Whitted
Tight Ends
88 Doug Jolley
86 Roland Williams
49 Jeremy Brigham
48 Brandon Christenson
Offensive Linemen
65 LT Barry Sims
73 LG Frank Middleton
63 C Barret Robbins
79 RG Mo Collins
72 RT Lincoln Kennedy
74 T Matt Stinchcomb
70 T-G Brad Badger
62 C/LS Adam Treu
66 G Langston Walker
Defensive Linemen
99 DeLawrence Grant
97 John Parrella
95 Sam Adams
93 Trace Armstrong
91 Regan Upshaw
92 Junior Ioane
57 Rod Coleman
75 Chris Cooper
94 Tony Bryant
Linebackers
53 Bill Romanowski
55 Travian Smith
50 Eric Barton
41 Eric Johnson
51 Tim Johnson
58 Napoleon Harris
Defensive Backs
24 CB/PR Charles Woodson
26 Rod Woodson
20 Tory James
31 CB/PR Phillip Buchanon
22 Terrance Shaw
33 Anthony Dorsett
38 Clarence Love
Special Teams
11 PK Sebastian Janikowski
9 P Shane Lechler
42 KR/RB Terry Kirby
87 Alvis Whitted
January 4th, 2018 at 12:35 pm
@ Eric
Post Lovie and the Dominic days, yes there is a nice core base of young talent being put together in Tampa. As long as they stop starting over and changing coaches and systems ever 2 years it will continue.
January 4th, 2018 at 12:36 pm
Al Davis was a great GM in Oakland.
January 4th, 2018 at 12:36 pm
It will be entertaining to see the excuses when Jon does a great job in Oakland.
Already assembling a nice staff, with some familiar names.
If he does get into the playoffs, perhaps the raider fans will show up and not have a third of the stadium pulling for the other team, like happened here.
Loserville.
January 4th, 2018 at 12:37 pm
Perimeter Blocker Says:
January 4th, 2018 at 12:10 pm
I think Gruden is outstanding for many reasons that I have listed in the past. That being said I truly hope Koetter becomes the next Belichick. In essence, Mark Davis, by his contract that he is rumored to be giving Gruden, is saying he implicitly trusts Gruden. The Glazers by not committing to Gruden all that he asked do not. (Actions speak louder than words). Gruden was smart to demand what he has. He didn’t want the Glazers to get angry after two 9-7 seasons (like they did in the past) and and just discard him for the next flavor of the day like they did before. With the type of commitment it looks like the Raiders are giving Gruden he will be with them a long time. I hope this doesn’t turn out to be another blunder that is another catastrophic decision. (Doug Williams, Steve Young, Bo Jackson, Alvin Harper, Raheem Morris, Greg Schiano, Lovie Smith etc…)
Exactly on point Perimeter Blocker. I believe the same thing. Like I’ve said before Jon’s not stupid and wouldn’t come back here unless he was guaranteed that they wouldn’t do him like they did before…..Jon’s not a stupid man/coach.
January 4th, 2018 at 12:45 pm
Del Rio had a .521 win/loss percentage in Oakland which is slightly better than average we’ll see where Chucky ends up compared to that during his time in Oakland.
January 4th, 2018 at 12:47 pm
Careful what you wish for Mr Davis. Guaranteeing Chucky 10 years at $10M per could come back to bite you and your franchise big time. Dude is a hell of a motivator in the beginning – but his arrogance and lack of people skills wears thin pretty quickly as well. Mark Alstott could relate you some details.
I’m reminded of the Meatloaf song at the end where he made promises to get what he wanted that come back to haunt him…
I couldn’t take it any longer
Lord I was crazed
And when the feeling came upon me
Like a tidal wave
I started swearing to my god and on my mother’s grave
That I would (pay) you to the end of time
I swore that I would (pay) you to the end of time!….
(4-5 years later)
So now I’m praying for the end of time
To hurry up and arrive
‘Cause if I gotta spend another minute with you
I don’t think that I can really survive
I’ll never break my promise or forget my vow
But God only knows what I can do right now
I’m praying for the end of time
It’s all that I can do
Praying for the end of time, so I can end my (payments to) you!!
January 4th, 2018 at 12:55 pm
@Pickgrin
I agree give it time. I want to look at the results over a 3-4 year period not 1 season.
January 4th, 2018 at 12:57 pm
TheBucsAnthem Says:
January 4th, 2018 at 12:32 pm
@ BrianBucs
Yeah, I guess YOU forgot he had one of THE BEST ROSTERS ever assembled for an NFL team. I mean, LOOK AT THE PLAYERS on this roster…….ANY DECENT COACH would’ve been successful there…..cmon now.
Quarterbacks
12 Rich Gannon
8 Marques Tuiasosopo
3 Rick Mirer
Running Backs
23 Madre Hill
25 Charlie Garner
40 Jon Ritchie
47 Tyrone Wheatley
32 Zack Crockett
28 Randy Jordan
Wide Receivers
80 Jerry Rice
81 FL/PR Tim Brown
84 Jerry Porter
82 WR/KR James Jett
83 Marcus Knight
87 Alvis Whitted
Tight Ends
88 Doug Jolley
86 Roland Williams
49 Jeremy Brigham
48 Brandon Christenson
Offensive Linemen
65 LT Barry Sims
73 LG Frank Middleton
63 C Barret Robbins
79 RG Mo Collins
72 RT Lincoln Kennedy
74 T Matt Stinchcomb
70 T-G Brad Badger
62 C/LS Adam Treu
66 G Langston Walker
Defensive Linemen
99 DeLawrence Grant
97 John Parrella
95 Sam Adams
93 Trace Armstrong
91 Regan Upshaw
92 Junior Ioane
57 Rod Coleman
75 Chris Cooper
94 Tony Bryant
Linebackers
53 Bill Romanowski
55 Travian Smith
50 Eric Barton
41 Eric Johnson
51 Tim Johnson
58 Napoleon Harris
Defensive Backs
24 CB/PR Charles Woodson
26 Rod Woodson
20 Tory James
31 CB/PR Phillip Buchanon
22 Terrance Shaw
33 Anthony Dorsett
38 Clarence Love
Special Teams
11 PK Sebastian Janikowski
9 P Shane Lechler
42 KR/RB Terry Kirby
87 Alvis Whitted
Best roster’s ever assembled, really? I’ll give you this he had plenty of great players on that team, including some hall of famers. That being said, Rich Gannon was a journeyman quarterback that sucked until Jon got a hold of him and made him an MVP. Let’s remember that Jon got these guys when they were close to the end of their careers. It’s not like he had Jerry Rice with the 49ners or Tim Brown in his prime. The TE’s on the team were average at best, the o-line had two guys I would want, Frank Middleton and Lincoln Kennedy. On the d-line I only take John Parrella and Sam Adams ( again guys removed from their prime with other teams ) the rest were average , linebackers I only take Bill Romanowski the rest you can keep. as far as the D-backs, I would take Charles Woodson ( who Jon drafted ) and Rod Woodson, that’s it. And of course there’s the greatness of Sebastian Janikowski ( also drafted by Jon ) by my count that’s two hall of famers drafted by him on the Raiders.
January 4th, 2018 at 1:21 pm
@TheBucsAnthem I sincerely hope I am delusional and you are completely right. As I stated above, I hope Koetter becomes Bill Belichick and you can tell me how wrong I was…
January 4th, 2018 at 1:30 pm
Chris Simms was picked with the last pick in the 3rd round. I find it hard to believe Gruden didn’t want him at that point in time. Gruden didn’t draft him to be the starter right away. Yea, he never developed under Gruden like he and even we probably thought he would. But, he was talented enough to keep the starting job over whoever Gruden brought in as competition. And he was good enough to get the team into the playoffs. So, the Chris Simms experiment was not something forced onto Gruden. He could have sat him if he didn’t want him at the cost of Robosack running the team. Gruden wanted Jeff Garcia much earlier than when we got him. Jeff chose Philly over the Bucs, but that doesn’t mean he didn’t want Simms. It just means he wanted more talent at the position because he was feeling the heat to go deep into the playoffs. But, we had other holes on that team aside from QB play. The problem is the total control of personnel and the horrible decisions Gruden made with it.
Gruden will take that Raiders team deep, maybe even win a SB. But, once players start to retire or leave in FA, THAT’s the point I’m going to start paying attention because that’s where he lacked discipline in the past.
January 4th, 2018 at 1:34 pm
One would hope he is smarter and wiser after all of this time off to reflect, analyze, and reorganize. I think he will be a be a better coach now; at least he should be.
January 4th, 2018 at 1:34 pm
@lamb…. it’s been stated and written many times Gru didn’t want Simms.
Lol…so after gruden takes them to the playoffs Then you will start paying attention to the type coach he is
January 4th, 2018 at 1:50 pm
Hilarious, if Gruden takes the raiders deep into the playoffs and wins a Super Bowl, we will have to “wait and see” is he is a success and has discipline.
At that point he will be the only NFL coach in history to win a Super Bowl with two different teams, ensuring his induction to the Hall of Fame.
I am so glad we don’t have to experience that second super bowl here, and the corresponding decline!!!!!
January 4th, 2018 at 1:57 pm
The sheep can’t tell when they were just used for leverage!!!!! when you are named as the team interested weeks and months before and they sign somewhere else, You were used for leverage!!!!!!!
Go Bucs!!!!!!
January 4th, 2018 at 2:05 pm
Does anyone remember what it was like at the end of Gruden’s reign. He still had a winning record but he grated on the players and they stopped listening to him. He was having communication issues with everyone. His intensity could only be put up with for so long. It got old after awhile.
January 4th, 2018 at 2:11 pm
Yes, we fans dodged a bullet. Chucky is not going to come roaring back and win a Superbowl. The disappointment of that failure would’ve been too much for Bucs fans to tolerate. I’ll eat my words if Chucky lights it up, but I doubt he will.
January 4th, 2018 at 2:40 pm
I believe Gruden PREFERRED Jameis and the Bucs but the Glazers simply said NO to his demands, so he went where the money is … that’s all that happened imho.
However … he’s walking into a great situation as that division and entire conference is a mess and much easier to make the playoffs in than the NFC, let alone the NFC South … and it should get even easier next year if the Chiefs let Alex Smith go as many think they will and just ride with their young, unproven kid in Mahomes …
January 4th, 2018 at 2:53 pm
Give us a break Joe… the door was closing on this team…they might have had one more SB in them…but Mike and JJ got taken out in the same play, and the others were pretty long in the tooth. The window was from 1999 to 2003. You are kidding regarding the headline, aren’t you.
January 4th, 2018 at 3:03 pm
How did the Glazers dodge a bullet. They kept Koetter and Smitty didn’t they? Those 2 are daggers and losers..to the heart!!!
January 4th, 2018 at 3:10 pm
Tmax, I’m curious what you meant by trying to recreate failed past in regards to Gruden. The man won a Super Bowl. Got to the Super Bowl and won. The two coaches running the Bucs, Koetter and Smith have lots of coaching experience, they have gotten to 0 Super Bowls and won 0 Super Bowls. Koetter didn’t win squat in college. But Gruden has the failed past?
January 4th, 2018 at 3:12 pm
We did dodge a bullet.
There is nothing Tampa Bay Bucs fans hate worse than winning the Super Bowl, and heaven help the coach who accomplishes it.
Lay low and lose Dirk, be a nice guy, and they will love you for it.
January 4th, 2018 at 3:16 pm
be a nice guy, and they will love you for it.
————-
Truer words have never been spoken.
January 4th, 2018 at 3:21 pm
If the Glazer boys passed on him then it was probably the wrong decision. SELL THE TEAM
January 4th, 2018 at 3:34 pm
NFLNut
No coach or player has ever preferred tampa over any other nfl franchise. Tampa is and always be a destination of last resort as long as glazers are running the circus…
January 4th, 2018 at 3:50 pm
gruden’s success, like so many other coaches, will come down to the jims and joes running his x’s and o’s. He has more young talent than what he got with the bucs, but who he pushes the raiders to spend big on and whether he has the right guy running his draft will determine whether his trajectory will follow his 1998-2003 career trajectory or the up and down era of 2003-2009
January 4th, 2018 at 4:19 pm
ben Says
“Gruden had little in the way of players to work with…”
That’s total bull. He had the best roster this team has ever had. He just chased them off.
January 4th, 2018 at 4:54 pm
Bonzai ..WE completely disagree on who chased players away ..ask Brooks..anyway I went to the bucs superbowl in Ca, .. Wow ,what a feeling to watch the bucs and feel so proud of your team …Hope that happens again,someday.:>)
January 4th, 2018 at 5:46 pm
Wow, what a turn Joe took on Gruden. This is literally the same thing I’ve said for years, which is why Dungy is the Bucs best coach ever and it’s not even close. There’s a reason Dungy is in the HOF and Gruden’s biggest achievement is the Bucs ring of honor. Gruden ruined the Bucs team after he threw a hissy fit because Rich McKay wouldn’t sign every 40+ year old player that Gruden wanted in for a try out, the one that still sticks out is Andre Rison, who couldn’t break a 5.0 40, Gruden wanted him and McKay said no. So Gruden runs to the Glazers and says it’s me or McKay and the Bucs fire McKay. Then Gruden says he wants his old stooge from the Raiders, Bruce Allen, to come in as his hand picked “GM”. However if you recall at the time the big sell on Allen was that he was a cap specialist – he was basically brought in just to do contracts and manage the cap. Gruden, after getting McKay fired, then proceeded to cut Lynch and let Sapp walk and said it was because of the salary cap… yet he then proceeded to sign an injured 32-year old RB Charlie Garner to a big deal along with signing a bunch of mid-30s injured offensive linemen – oh and lets not forget Tim Brown as well. Gruden had to prove to everyone that no, he didn’t just win with Dungy’s team, nope he could win a SB with HIS team. We know the outcome. Also for the draft that isn’t on Allen, that’s on Gruden – again he ran the team. Maybe Gruden deferred to scouts on who to pick, but if he wanted a guy, he’d get him. That’s why it’s so laughable when Gruden sits on MNF and talks about how he wishes he had a young QB to work with in Tampa. Gruden ran the team, he could have drafted one, but he didn’t. Gruden is the one that passed on Aaron Rodgers when the Bucs needed a QB – and that’s not hindsight, the talk was who would go 1st in that draft, Alex Smith or Rodgers. But as we know from players and coaches Gruden HATED working with young QBs, he wanted veterans, he didn’t want to teach a kid how to become an NFL QB so he passed despite the clear need the Bucs had.
With all that said I’d still rather have Gruden running this team over Dirk.
January 4th, 2018 at 6:04 pm
Rack ’em!!
January 4th, 2018 at 7:25 pm
Anthem
Raiders didn’t go to the playoffs with that lineup after Bucs beat them in the Superbowl until last year. So apparently without proper coaching it wasn’t that good
January 4th, 2018 at 8:05 pm
I’ll be happy when we can stop talking about Chucky.
January 4th, 2018 at 8:53 pm
I think we’d have had more success with Gruden next year but I think Koetter can be successful too.
By the way, how bad is Jim Rome??? Don’t know how he’s gotten job after job. Just awful.
January 4th, 2018 at 10:02 pm
Gruden not a Buc, was never going to be a Buc, that’s the way this story ends. He just used the Bucs in the media to get his best deal. The Raiders wanted him. I don’t think the Glazers ever did. We just have to hope the same ole same ole Bucs can’t get any worse, anybody making book?
January 5th, 2018 at 12:18 am
The Bucs had the worst post SB record at 2 years out of any team EVER…..Gruden couldn’t handle the widespread opinion that he just walked into a readymade SB winning situation…..So, his solution…….blow the team up……In an attempt to prove to everybody that he didn’t need the Dungy built team to achieve success…..everybody saw the results….the post SB decline was a scandal…..But nobody dared to criticize Chucky…..he had brought a Superbowl to one of the worst sports franchise’s ever….an untouchable golden boy
January 5th, 2018 at 2:47 am
@Eric AND @michael norris,
IF he wins the SB. I said if. My point is he’ll win with a team that he didn’t build. So, his ego will cause him to tweak and twist that roster to his heart’s content till he can put his name on that team. Otherwise he’ll be a HC that won with, yet again, another regime’s roster. Granted he added the offensive scheme to the Bucs that took us over the edge. But, he totally dismantled that team quick. If you haven’t noticed, good players leave for better money AFTER a SB win. When Gruden has to make roster moves on his own, that’s the point where his legacy breaks down. And that’s why I’m interested in seeing what he does with the Raiders when key parts are missing after a SB win.
That Raiders team would have gone deep two years ago if Carr didn’t get hurt without Gruden. So, my point, which you conveniently haven’t understood is, I agree with the post that Gruden is still an average coach until he proves otherwise. He had 6 years to build his roster and he failed. He had his GM, he had his owners by the balls. There was nothing he didn’t have at his disposal. But he couldn’t build a team. He’s an offensive genius. But, he would have had one heck of a time trying to rebuild our team. We have too many holes and he’s not about to go down that road again. I really don’t agree with people who think Gruden was seriously considering the Bucs had his demands been met. He’s not great at building a team, only installing an offensive scheme. And we are far away from just being an offensive scheme from a SB run.
January 5th, 2018 at 3:00 am
Tony Dungy is also an average coach. He installed his defensive scheme and won with the Colts. He had no clue about the offensive side of the ball.
Belicheat on the other hand, is a coaching legend. He routinely turns nobodies into household names and wins. He gave Brady the Troy Browns and David Pattons of the world and won. Evil genius.
January 5th, 2018 at 10:04 am
lambchop Says:
January 5th, 2018 at 3:00 am
Tony Dungy is also an average coach. He installed his defensive scheme and won with the Colts. He had no clue about the offensive side of the ball.
Exactly lambchop and here’s the kicker, it took him FIVE YEARS to win that Super Bowl with the Colts. He had an already made bad ass offense ( he won that Super Bowl with Jim Mora’s team ) all he had to do was put together a defense and again it took him FIVE YEARS to win that SB. If he’s such a “defensive genius” why the f@ck did it take him FIVE YEARS to win that SB??? Yet it only took Jon one year to win the Super Bowl, he came in here and HE brought in KEY PLAYERS on offense to win that Super Bowl. Without the players Jon brought in we DON’T win that Super Bowl. Yet Jon won that Super Bowl with Tony’s team, right! I’m so sick of hearing that BULLSH#T!!! If Jon won with Tony’s players then Tony won with Jim Mora’s players end of conversation.