Chucky Didn’t Want Jameis?
January 5th, 2018
“If I wanted a f@#%ing quarterback who turned the ball over I’d go get Josh McCown. Jiminy Christmas!”
Some Bucs fans are still red in the rear end because Team Glazer didn’t fall to its knees and give the moon to bring back Chucky.
Joe thinks it was more common sense on Team Glazer’s part than anything else. Despite the cries of many, there were compelling reasons to bring Koetter back. Joe is of the mind Jameis saved Koetter’s job by his play in December. And no one knows Chucky’s checkered last six seasons coaching the Bucs (losing record, no playoff wins) better than Team Glazer.
But Albert Breer of theMMQB.com is of the mind it wasn’t Team Glazer who passed on Chucky, but it was Chucky who passed on Team Glazer. Why? Well, #BlameJameis.
My belief is the quarterback was a factor. And that’s not say Gruden doesn’t like Jameis Winston. It’s a testament to how Gruden’s been known to feel about Derek Carr. Let’s back up to the 2014 draft for some history here. Oakland owner Mark Davis has been known to consult with Gruden on football matters, and Gruden made clear to Davis how much he thought of Carr, to the point where Davis wound up advocating to GM Reggie McKenzie that the team take Carr with the fourth overall pick. McKenzie and the staff wound up holding off the dogs on that one, and the rest actually played out perfectly. The team got a generational talent at 4, in Khalil Mack, and still wound up with Carr in the second round. But to the coaches who were there, there was a feeling that Davis, who’d always been interested in bringing back Gruden, wanted Carr badly because he knew that Carr, if he panned out, could wind up being a chip to entice the old coach. And lo and behold, it sure looks like it might’ve been.
So Gruden gets the quarterback he loved, and Davis gets the coach he always wanted—presuming, again, that I’s get dotted and the T’s get crossed on this one.
Joe is reading into what Breer typed and beleives it means Chucky wasn’t in love with what the Bucs have — more importantly don’t have — on defense.
Jameis seemed like the one young quarterback who could stand up to and weather the heat and passion of Chucky, who is not known at all for molding young quarterbacks.
But we will never know all the reasons why Chucky isn’t the Bucs’ head coach.
January 5th, 2018 at 6:40 am
GREAT so we get second prize (a set of steak knives) and the garbage which is all the same coaches right down to our toilet flushing how many ways can I crap and piss in my shoes let’s play the receiver 100 miles off the ball But I’m a really nice guy and I ALMOST went to the super bowl 10 years ago D coordinator. GREAT!!!!
January 5th, 2018 at 6:53 am
You have no facts to back up the headline and then you go into , it is the defense also..
something he said in 2014? Gruden has said Tribinsky is great too I don’t see him going there.
i think it has more to do with who is more likely to get to the playoffs quicker. since they have less work to do to correct issues especially on defense it is the Raiders and not a QB issue.
January 5th, 2018 at 6:57 am
People are taking this waaaay too seriously…..and yes, Jameis would have probably driven Chucky nuts, would love to get Koetter alone, no ears anywhere and get a few tidbits from him on what he thought of Jameis’ turnover tendencies this past season……
Things will get better folks if Licht can find someone who knows something about pro personnel……the free agents that have been brought in to this town are some of the worst ever…..that’s what has to change.
January 5th, 2018 at 7:01 am
@joe that’s what I told you a couple days ago . Chucky didn’t want to come here
January 5th, 2018 at 7:22 am
Lol, Joe can’t help and take shots at the defense, But Oakland, without the injuries the Bucs D had, was almost identical!!!!!
Bucs 23.9 pts per game, yards 378.1
Oak 23.3 pts per game, yards 350.1
So Joe was misinformed saying “more importantly don’t have — on defense” But it does not matter when one is on the ” Coach Smitty is a nice guy but needs to be fired” Tour!!!!!!!!!!!!
Get the Man a “real” DE and the will “fix” the defense!!!!!!!!
Go Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 5th, 2018 at 7:28 am
Mmmm. let’s not talk about Chucky anymore, OK?
January 5th, 2018 at 7:34 am
Completely agree with Tom,Licht’s bridge player concept appeared brilliant,but
most of them didn’t have enough left in the tank to last more than a year.
And some of them had red flags before they ever came here. Ayers has a four or five year history of 12 game seasons. Baker had a history of not wanting to put in the extra work needed to excel. Think Jackson might still be a good addition,but
the necessity for Jackson to be at OTA’s should have been discussed. Showing up
at OTA’s should have been stipulated as incentive money instead of some of the guaranteed cash Jackson got.
Sweezy also got a lot guaranteed money and we still haven’t seen the road grader,mauler that was expected.
The fact that a makeshift O line we had the last few games played well enough to win makes me question the Marpet move and Sweezy acquisition.
January 5th, 2018 at 7:35 am
The sheep can’t tell when they were just used for leverage!!!!! when you are named as the team interested weeks and months before and they sign somewhere else, You were used for leverage!!!!!!!
Go Bucs!!!!!!
January 5th, 2018 at 7:36 am
Edit:
Ayers has a four or five year history to date of 12 game seasons.
January 5th, 2018 at 7:42 am
Realist.. get real… Smith won’t be fired. He and Koetter are a matched set…they will either sink or swim together.
January 5th, 2018 at 7:42 am
I don’t think anyone wants Jameis!
January 5th, 2018 at 7:45 am
I’m so ready – in light of this cold weather and constant, unending Chucky commentary – to start singing “Let it Goooooo, Let it Goooooooo!” in my best Frozen imitation…but that will scare away even more folks than the news Mike Smith is coming back.
Please. Just. Let. It. Go.
January 5th, 2018 at 7:49 am
Joe…this isn’t rocket science.
If Gruden is hired by Oakland, which team will be better the next few years? That is the measure.. all the rest is BS. So would you bet your EIU Panther Jersey on the Bucs having better success than the Raiders over the next five years? I’m sure there is someone in Oakland/ Vegas that would take you up on that.
January 5th, 2018 at 7:58 am
Equally compelling question,Will Licht finally put the right players on this defense
to compete and complement the offense.
January 5th, 2018 at 8:06 am
A lot of compelling reasons to bring back koeter…. lol. I guess there’s only one. Couldn’t get anyone better. I have a hard time believing it was Jameis stellar play in 2 of his last 4 games.
January 5th, 2018 at 8:19 am
Didn’t want the back stabbing owners and turncoat fan base….
Simple.
January 5th, 2018 at 8:20 am
Kicker problem fixed, defense just needs a good pass rush, Jamies needs to stop making f##### stupid decisions and we’re 12-4
January 5th, 2018 at 8:26 am
All conjecture.
January 5th, 2018 at 8:26 am
Did Chucky watch Carr this year? If that wasn’t regression I don’t know what was. Jameis actually improved minus the fumbles. Let get some real defensive players in free agency and have a good draft. Several under class DE have announced themselves for the draft now let’s get 2 of them to go along with Spence. And sure up our corner backs too. I love our LBs and Justin Evans is going to be good.
January 5th, 2018 at 8:34 am
Jim…If Koetter has a great year next year and is the “long term” answer here, while Chucky founders in Oakland little will be said. It will be history.
But if Koetter bombs again next year, we are on with another “crap shoot” coach, while Gruden is making the playoffs and possibly the SB in Oakland/Vegas? This is never going away.
January 5th, 2018 at 8:39 am
I wouldn’t want Jameis either if I had the choice between Carr and Jameis
January 5th, 2018 at 8:55 am
@ joe question , let’s say it’s true and gruden goes raiders and gets 5-10% of ownership , in 5-7 years when he sucks and the other 90-95% ownership wants him fired as coach , will him ever get another coaching job , since he will still have ownership of raiders
January 5th, 2018 at 9:00 am
WHO CARES!!!!!!!!!
January 5th, 2018 at 9:01 am
Gruden wanted the money and power, simple as that. Can’t blame him for taking a piece of ownership if that’s what was offered.
January 5th, 2018 at 9:06 am
Could it be we skipped over Gruden for a trade with the Patriots for Bill Belichick. Look at the story espn just broke. Kraft and Glazers are known to be tight and we have a history of trading for coaches.
January 5th, 2018 at 9:08 am
Sunny…Gruden said that the ownership issue isn’t true…that it isn’t part of the deal. But it will be a sweet deal.
January 5th, 2018 at 9:09 am
Chucky isn’t getting ownership % of raiders.
I’d like some of those checkered playoff appearances Chucky had in last six years and division titles.
But it will all play out as to Gruden’s abilities vs. Koetter, starting in a few months.
January 5th, 2018 at 9:09 am
Del Rio had a .516 winning percentage with the Raiders over 3 years we’ll see how Jon Grudens record compares every it’s all said and done.
January 5th, 2018 at 9:09 am
Wyoming…I thought after the Gruden deal originally, rules were put into place prohibiting such deals in the future.
January 5th, 2018 at 9:12 am
*when it’s all said and done*
January 5th, 2018 at 9:12 am
not at all Mark. Glazers might know something here
January 5th, 2018 at 9:12 am
Exactly Eric… the results of these decisions won’t really be debatable… Which team will be better… The Bucs or the Raiders? It is as simple as that…and the rest is BS to persuade or placate fans.
And no Bucs or Raiders apologist can “excuse it” away.
January 5th, 2018 at 9:14 am
AND LOOK WHAT I JUST SAW, Is there concern over a Derek Carr-Jon Gruden relationship? This was an article on Yardbarker. So once again WHO CARES! It’s ALL just BS.
January 5th, 2018 at 9:15 am
Wrong Wyoming…you might want to check out the things you say on this board. The rules have changed… the Glazers may know something…and you would regarding these things…if you would do a simple search.
“Since then, the league has amended this rule to allow picks to be exchanged for “head coaches and high-level club employees”
https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/gallery/nfl-trade-buccaneers-raiders-jon-gruden-facts-stats-history-052417
January 5th, 2018 at 9:19 am
Wow Mark, maybe you should read before you post. Your link clearly points out you can trade for coaches and high level team employees.
January 5th, 2018 at 9:29 am
Checkered last six seasons or not, we went to the playoffs and weren’t consistently blown out of winnable games. This team lacks focus and discipline. Remember, this team didn’t practice well in the offseason and didn’t play well in the preseason. Do you think Gruden would have put up with that?
There are also other intangibles. The man is an icon in Tampa and across the country. More seats are filled, more national TV exposure and more importantly, more players will want to come to Tampa.
But it’s sink or swim now. The owners have cast their lot with Koetter and Smith. If Gruden goes to the Raiders, we will never know what might have been.
January 5th, 2018 at 9:30 am
Hey joe didn’t you just do an article a few days ago about how Gruden and the Glazers both said that there never was a conversation about Gruden coming to tampa ?
January 5th, 2018 at 9:32 am
Jameis and Gruden would have been like oil and water. Even though Gruden would have made Jameis a much better QB, Jameis would not be able to handle the Gruden pressure or intensity. Gruden likes a certain kind of QB and Jameis isn’t it
January 5th, 2018 at 9:40 am
Would of been interesting to hear Gruden’s reaction if he did sign here and JW was suspended in the offseason. Kind of surprised that wasn’t mentioned in the article. Not saying I want him too or that he will be, however it’s a real possibility.
January 5th, 2018 at 9:49 am
@ roadwarrior
Hey joe didn’t you just do an article a few days ago about how Gruden and the Glazers both said that there never was a conversation about Gruden coming to tampa ?
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in business and in life their is a public and private to everything and there is NO reason someone should release info if they don’t want too
January 5th, 2018 at 9:53 am
StessT Says:
January 5th, 2018 at 7:45 am
I’m so ready – in light of this cold weather and constant, unending Chucky commentary – to start singing “Let it Goooooo, Let it Goooooooo!” in my best Frozen imitation…but that will scare away even more folks than the news Mike Smith is coming back.
Please. Just. Let. It. Go
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like we LET GO of playoffs for the last 10 years….LOL what a constant JOKE
January 5th, 2018 at 9:58 am
The more i think about it the more i believe a play for Belichick from the Glazers could be at work here. That would explain the idiocy of not bringing Gruden back.
January 5th, 2018 at 10:00 am
@Joe who’s not to say this defense will be like the defense we had in the 2 half of the season 2 seasons ago? specially if you add Bennet,bring back Grimes and pick up Talib
January 5th, 2018 at 10:04 am
Hey Tom Edrington I would like just as much to get Jameis alone to hear what he thinks about the head coach calling for field goals and taking the ball of his hands when the game is on the line. Or running toss pitches in the red zone that have not worked all year, or playing a RB that has been horrible and suspended twice in the last two years. I bet you all those great decisions go over really well with a guy that works harder than anyone in the building and played through a bum should most of the season. How about you look at the entire picture then you will see the all the problems.
January 5th, 2018 at 10:15 am
@ Wyoming I like where your head is at with Belichick, but I think only you and I are the only ones thinking this.
January 5th, 2018 at 10:16 am
WyomingBucsFan Says:
January 5th, 2018 at 9:58 am
The more i think about it the more i believe a play for Belichick from the Glazers could be at work here. That would explain the idiocy of not bringing Gruden back.
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THAT would be the ONLY retribution…IF koetter fails
January 5th, 2018 at 10:21 am
@Nate
“Truth is stranger then fiction”
Mark Twain
January 5th, 2018 at 10:22 am
Jameis is no longer a “young” quarterback, fyi.
January 5th, 2018 at 10:24 am
Chucky doesn’t want Jameis??
I say great!!! Last time any Bucs official endorse a coach (msmith) was a disaster.
January 5th, 2018 at 10:30 am
This ESPN story on how Belichick and Brady don’t get along is interesting.
Such alleged dissent ran Chucky out of town. I thought coaches and players had to have a loving relationship to be successful.
Hand in hand, tip toeing through the tulips and all.
January 5th, 2018 at 10:37 am
Belichick is not going anywhere, that is total nonsense.
January 5th, 2018 at 10:43 am
bill may be pissed at brady because he’s refuses to retire….look at what Jimmy G is doing….bill probably knows he could’ve won an additional 3 or 4 SB’s with Jimmy G…..GO BUCS!!!!
January 5th, 2018 at 10:45 am
I think that Gruden may not have liked the QB here is bull…. and all the other crap about Gruden didn’t want to come to Tampa I am sure this was a business dicission. Raider are going to Vagas which I am sure he is gonna be making a lot more money than the Glazers can afford to pay him 2. With the Raiders and bucs Gruden took nobody QBs and turn them in to winners the Raiders fired their OC from last year and their QB regressed which looks like coaching played a key roll in the QB success. All I am saying is these sports anlyst should stop guessimating about a lot of the stuff but I guess that they’re job
January 5th, 2018 at 10:54 am
Jon Gruden is a glorified OC. Let’s just let that sink in. All the studs on the 2002 Bucs were brought starting with Sam Wyche’s regime, then Dungy, and then carried on with Rich McKay controlling Gruden. Ever since Bruce Allen came in the 2004 season, this team turned into a dumpster fire.
We were routinely going to the NFC Championship game b4 Gruden came in and added his WCO. Now, the Raiders are, apart from this season, a playoff team with a real shot at having made the SB 2 years ago had Carr stayed healthy.
I mean come on people. Even if the Raiders win a SB within Gruden’s 1st or 2nd year. Don’t be salty that we should have got him. He cannot build a team and we are not a WCO scheme away from a SB run. Chucky didn’t want to revisit the same old sad song in Tampa where everything would be on him if the experiment failed again.
He’s going to take a made team and ride into the sunset and get all the credit if they win the SB. He’ll be a legend and a hero for coming back and making things right and finishing the job with the Raiders.
Jon Gruden knows his limitations. He cannot evaluate talent, cannot draft, and cannot therefore build a team to save his life.
January 5th, 2018 at 10:56 am
@realist
this defense sucks and is worse than lovies…..no debating that!!!!!….stop making excuses for smitty….the defense and players on the defense regressed…..injuries are apart of the game!!!!!
#NOMOREEXCUSES!!!!!…..GO BUCS!!!!
January 5th, 2018 at 11:06 am
@Quattrolou
Great minds think alike Quattrolou.
Bucs pull a rabbit out of their a$$ and trade with the Patriots for Bill Belichick.
But what would the trade look like?
January 5th, 2018 at 11:07 am
gruden made the right choice for a quick turn around….if he came to tampa he would have to add pieces to the defense and a piece or 2 on offense….
-they have a solid oline….
-franchise QB….
-weapons…..
-all pro DE….
-solid defense….
but are we that surprised?….this is his M.O….take a team that is already built and get them over the hump….he did it here…he’ll do it there….GO BUCS!!!!
January 5th, 2018 at 11:13 am
“the free agents that have been brought in to this town are some of the worst ever…..that’s what has to change.”
Agree 100% Tom. I also think this is what leads to some of the debate about Licht around here. Any objective look at our draft results indicate a very good draft record….contrasted against a dismal FA list as you point out….I’m not sure how much blame for the horrible FA’s are on Licht…and whether Lovie influenced the early picks or not.
Bottom line is that this no longer needs to be about blame. It should be about an honest look at a shortcoming and a repair. Whether Licht or Koetter made FA calls or deserve any blame….SOMEBODY is responsible but it’s not productive to look for the scapegoats. But it’s clear we do NOT have a person currently in house who is good with FA’s. That has been clearly missing!
What would be productive as Tom suggested is to find the absolute best NFL personnel man they can land to handle FA for them. Somebody who knows the league backwards and forwards and is a very good judge of talent.
January 5th, 2018 at 11:17 am
This whole past couple months’ story about Chucky this & Chucky that is bull. There is ZERO evidence that he ever talked to the Glazer Boys & he never indicated a desire even for the position. Haven’t even seen any real evidence that Chucky has had any talks with Davis out in Oakland. FAKE NEWS !!!
@813bucboi … “stop making excuses for smitty.” No one’s making excuses for Smitty bucboi. His 2016 defense was #15 in the rankings (369 Points Allowed, which is all that really counts) and his 2017 defense ranked #22 (382 Points Allowed). That’s regression somewhat, but at the same time we had more injuries on the defense, a tougher schedule, and most importantly, no real upgrades in terms of talent (unless you consider Baker, Ward, Trattou, O’Connor & a few others to be ‘upgrades’). Until Licht fixes the DLine AND Secondary, it’s pretty hard to know exactly how good … or how bad … a coaching staff REALLY is.
Admittedly I don’t feel the same way about our offense. We improved our ‘weapons’ tremendously (OJ, DJax, Godwin) and yet we regressed. Offense had 354 Points Scored in 2016 yet that DECREASED this past year to 335 Points Scored. Still came in #18 in the rankings, yet scored 19 fewer points and our time-of-possession DECREASED by over a minute. Offense gets bragged on while scoring 19 fewer points, yet when the defense allows 13 more points on the year and they’re garbage. Kind of a double standard, wouldn’t ya think?
January 5th, 2018 at 11:25 am
Ten million dollars a year and part ownership of the franchise. What has happened to journalism? To the person that posted no one wants Jameis: I do. I do not blame Jameis for the fumbles or the interceptions. None of the fumbles or interceptions have cause the Bucs a game. The offensive line is terrible; the defensive line is terrible; the coaching is terrible. Jameis was the only hope the Bucs had at winning a game. Jameis had to dodge at least one defender on most plays. He was one of the most hit and sacked QB’s. If it was not for his ability to escape defenders and make plays Jameis would have been sacked on almost every play. The defense closed out the Bears and Dolphins this season. The kicker caused use the game against the Patriots. The defense played well against the Panthers and the Saints, but Jameis had an AC joint separation in those and did not play well. He still played well enough to win. Thirty-two teams wants Jameis.
January 5th, 2018 at 11:31 am
@ pruritus ani
Constantly blowed out of winnable games? There were only 3 games the bucs were not in this year. Those 3 games were to playoff teams in minnesota, in atlanta and in new orleans. What the he11 are you talking about?
@ brian buc
Jameis told koetter that he needed to be coached harder. What the he11 are you talking about jameis could not handle gruden’s intensity? You are just another uninformed buc fan spewing nonsense. Just because you don’t like jameis does not give you the right to spew alternative facts.
January 5th, 2018 at 11:35 am
Chucky has already got his staff lined up. OC, special teams coach, defensive coordinator.
Greg Olson OC, Rick Bisaccia special teams coach.
Remember how well Freeman played with Olson using Chucky’s playbook?
He is going to Oakland without question. Rich Gannon could be QB coach.
A guy like that couldn’t possibly have helped Jameis……
January 5th, 2018 at 11:40 am
Tom is an idiot and s very bad journalist. Licht has brought a lot of high level talent to the Bucs, and he has not put the Bucs in contracts they cannot reasonably get out of. He has brought in a lot of good development players that are not being developed well because of… Wait for it….Coaching! Gruden praised Jameis all night on Monday Night Football. Jameis played near perfection and we still lost the game because we are a bad a$$ team.
January 5th, 2018 at 11:42 am
@Eric,
Help Jameis, sure. What about the rest of the scrubs on this team? He has never proven he could build a team. You seem to be fixated on his QB whisperer gimmick. That don’t win SBs alone buddy. You need a team to win. And he isn’t half as stupid as he looks to risk tarnishing his legacy more than those putrid 6 years here have by trying to make a team into a contender. He just sprinkles the garnishing on top of a frozen dinner, pal. Let’s put the blinders away.
January 5th, 2018 at 11:43 am
@ eric
The bucs were 4th in passing. What are we at the point we cant be happy unless we are 1st in passing? Jameis will be fine. He does not need chucky and greg olson.
January 5th, 2018 at 11:47 am
Wyoming…if you click on the link you would see that it isn’t that easy…and this is the stipulation….
“When coaches are traded, it doesn’t happen the same way players are traded. Typically the coach’s contract doesn’t get shipped to a new team. Instead, the two teams agree on compensation (draft picks and/or cash) that would be exchanged if the new team works out a contract with the coach. If that happens, the current team releases the coach in exchange for the compensation.”
You honestly think Belichick would agree to come to Tampa Bay to coach voluntarily? All he has to do is refuse to reach the terms of the new contract and the deal is dead.
January 5th, 2018 at 11:50 am
Here is another link confirming that…. my information was a link within the article I linked the first time.
https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seahawks/trading-an-nfl-coach-can-be-tricky-maneuver/
January 5th, 2018 at 11:55 am
@mark2001
What better way for Kraft to stick it to Belichick by trading him to the Bucs.
Also what better way for Bill to cement himself as the greatest coach of all time by taking the pittiful Buccaneers to a superbowl. Bill does enjoy boating and we all know the Tampa Bay area is one of the best places in the country for that.
January 5th, 2018 at 11:57 am
I think Chucky saw what was on the table moneywise and felt it would be insane to pass on such a deal.
That’s IF he takes the deal.
And the NFL will have to approve it because he’d become an owner and get first rights to buy the team if they ever sell.
January 5th, 2018 at 12:06 pm
Pretty crappy headline choice there Joe….
Bob in Valrico says:
“The fact that a makeshift O line we had the last few games played well enough to win makes me question the Marpet move and Sweezy acquisition.”
Completely off topic but – still a very insightful comment. I’m fine with Marpet at Center – but forcing Sweezy into the lineup all year when he was just not very good (being generous) really hurt our offense’s ability to click and make things happen like they should have. Pamphile wasn’t very good either. Line usually looked better to me when Evan Smith was in for Pamphile – the run blocking at least. Our Oline would have likely been much better in 2017 if “the best 5” chosen for the 1st game onward was (LT)D.Smith – (LG)Evan Smith – (C)Hawley – (RG)Marpet – (RT)Dotson.
The good thing that happened though in this crappy “lost” season was that Marpet got most of the 2017 snaps at Center (and did pretty well for never having played Center before) – so Ali is now not only our best lineman – but also versatile. It gives the GM the flexibility to draft or go after FA upgrades at either spot (C or G) now. It gives the coaches flexibility as well if injuries were to hit hard at one spot or the other during the season.
I’m fine with Marpet at either Center or Guard and will leave it up to coaches to decide where he has the best impact now that they’ve seen him play both.
But Licht is in a tough position w/ Sweezy who did not play well enough in 2017 to be counted on moving forward. It would be close to a $2M dead cap hit to cut JR – or do you keep him as a very expensive ($5.8M) back-up for a year or 2 and hope that just maybe he could regain the “beastly” run blocking capability he was (allegedly) known for pre-back injury – and perhaps even re-claim or at least fight for a starting spot vs whoever is (hopefully) brought in attempting to improve the RG position?
This I do know – Sweezy hurt this team with his play too often in 2017 and Pamphile was almost as bad. The Oline needs attention in the form of 2 new starting guards – or a new starting LG and a new Center if you want to put Marpet back at RG. Also need a starting caliber prospect at Tackle as a near future replacement for Dotson who will be 33 next year and likely injured at some point during the season. Benenoch got his chance and didn’t show much so time to keep looking.
Hows that for off-topic…
January 5th, 2018 at 12:16 pm
I said it a million times, Jon Gruden is not this DUMB. There is no way he would coach this pathetic Bucs team. Nothing like wishful thinking, no amount of money could have brought Jon Gruden back to Tampa.
January 5th, 2018 at 12:22 pm
Wyoming…again…he can’t “stick Belichick” that way. All Bill has to do is demand a hundred million dollars a year from the Glazers, which they wouldn’t never agree to, and their is no contract agreement with the new team and the deal is voided.
And why would he want to go to Tampa through trade? The only one hurt would be his new team, making it even more difficult to win. If he really did want to come to Tampa, all he has to do is refuse to sign a new contract with NE and let Tampa know he wants the job here….and he doesn’t hurt his new team.
January 5th, 2018 at 12:29 pm
@mark2001
“And why would he want to go to Tampa through trade? The only one hurt would be his new team, making it even more difficult to win. If he really did want to come to Tampa, all he has to do is refuse to sign a new contract with NE and let Tampa know he wants the job here….and he doesn’t hurt his new team.”
Because Bill has a large ego and likes a challenge. People like to retire to Florida and why would Bill Belichick be any different.
January 5th, 2018 at 12:31 pm
Bring in at least 8 new faces to battle the incumbents on both lines.
Fix the trenches, fix the Bucs.
January 5th, 2018 at 12:36 pm
lambchop, actually, the Bucs only appeared in the NFC Championship game once under Dungy in 1999. The time before that was back in 1979 under John McKay. They lost both of those games in low scoring bouts with the Rams. They went a third time in route to the Super Bowl under Gruden.
January 5th, 2018 at 12:37 pm
He has a big Ego… and he can almost afford his own Island if he wants, much less Florida. And again, why would he hurt Tampa Bay to be traded here, giving up precious draft picks, when all he would have to do is refuse to re-up with NE and have his agents give the Glazer’s a call when his contract runs out? Great coaches could come to Tampa by letting their contract expire and coming here if they so choose. But they don’t. Don’t get me wrong… Tampa Bay is a very nice place…but there are many nice places in America.
The Gruden deal was the one and only deal…in 15 years. And this is part of he reason why it is as scarce as the proverbial “hens teeth”.
January 5th, 2018 at 12:38 pm
ZK Says:
January 5th, 2018 at 7:42 am
I don’t think anyone wants Jameis!
Then maybe you should just get a new team. Better yet why don’t you get a new sport cause you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
January 5th, 2018 at 12:42 pm
@mark2001
Look I’m not the only one speculating on a trade for Belichick, check PFT.
Chris Simms says Giants could swing a deal. Who do you think Kraft would rather trade Bill to, Bucs or Giants?
January 5th, 2018 at 12:45 pm
I think (pretend that “think” is in italics) that Gruden would have come here rather than Oakland, except for one thing, the Glazers own the team.
He remembers their penurious, miserly, Culverhouse 츠럼, penney-wise pound-foolish management.
And I do blame Jameis for many of the turnovers, but still agree with Pickgrin. No way Carr compares favorably to Jameis.
January 5th, 2018 at 12:54 pm
@pickgren
Maybe so,but it does tie in with with Licht and the need pro personnel help comment on free agency
raised by Tom Edrington post .
January 5th, 2018 at 12:57 pm
Wyoming…. it isn’t only about who Kraft would want to trade with…it is up to Belichick to do a contract with the new owner. And I don’t see him wanting to coach in Tampa Bay. And frankly, if you want to go “big time”, where better than New York?
January 5th, 2018 at 12:58 pm
We
Gave up 2 first and 2 seconds for gru
Then over his tenure we spend the least in the nfl.
January 5th, 2018 at 12:59 pm
As for the question of Chucky wanting Jameis.Nobody can say which QB he would want now. But I would think what he would want most would be full control.
January 5th, 2018 at 1:01 pm
Destin… the Gruden haters don’t want to hear it. Again, the bottom line…which team will be the most successful the next five years.
No excuses about schedule, bad luck, GM changes, coaching changes, injuries or anything else.
That is the only measure. All the rest is bull.
January 5th, 2018 at 1:07 pm
I don’t think Chucky’s heart could handle coaching Jameis. The guy looks like a walking heart attack on the sidelines normally, I can’t imagine how he would respond to all the soft finger fumbles and bad timed picks.
The biggest factor is Mark Davis is all up inside Chucky’s jock and will be paying him more than any other coach in the NFL. We wouldn’t have paid him anywhere close to that.
January 5th, 2018 at 1:09 pm
@mark2001
Kraft would never trade Belichick to New York, Its practically the same market.
I do think Kraft would trade him to the Glazers for picks and money. The Glazer and Kraft family have a close relationship, its documented. Now i do realize that Belichick would have to be unbored. It wouldn’t be the first time the Glazers have traded for a coach. Its also not the first time a legendary coach from the Giants and Patriots almost came here. See Bill Parcells.
January 5th, 2018 at 1:09 pm
@ pickgrin
Also agree with best five for the most part.Never liked Evan Smith as a center (bad snaps) but I have seen him run block pretty well at times and Pamphile might be the better pass blocker.since Evan Smith sometimes gets caught holding in this duty.
Either way we seem to need two players to fill one slot.
January 5th, 2018 at 1:20 pm
Defense Rules Says:
January 5th, 2018 at 11:17 am
@813bucboi … “stop making excuses for smitty.” No one’s making excuses for Smitty bucboi. His 2016 defense was #15 in the rankings (369 Points Allowed, which is all that really counts) and his 2017 defense ranked #22 (382 Points Allowed). That’s regression somewhat, but at the same time we had more injuries on the defense, a tougher schedule, and most importantly, no real upgrades in terms of talent
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again, those are all excuses!!!!!
2017 we faced 6 teams that made the playoffs….3 came from our division….
2016 we faced 5 teams that made the playoffs….you the “TOUGHER SCHEDULE” excuse is not valid!!!!!
2017 players that missed time were: spence…LVD…Kwon…ayers…VHG…grimes…GMC….big will=8 players
2016 players that missed time were: spence…ayers…conte…GMC…big will….clint McDonald=6 players
bottom line is, the schedule and injuries aren’t that much different than last year!!!!…..GO BUCS!!!!!
January 5th, 2018 at 1:22 pm
Lambchop,
If the last six years of Gru were putrid, what would you call the eight since his departure?
It’s going to be fun to watch all the excuses and contradictions when Gru does his usual great job in Oakland/Vegas.
January 5th, 2018 at 1:22 pm
It will be interesting to see how Carr would pick
up Chucky’s complicatated playcalling Jargon. That would be a challenge for a young quarterback.
January 5th, 2018 at 1:37 pm
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Gruden chose the Raiders due to $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
It’s very simple. The Bucs were his first choice but they extended Licht so Gruden was NOT going to have “full control” and they wouldn’t meet his contract demands either, so Gruden was NOT going to get as much $$$$ as he wanted, so he turned to Davis’ Raiders and they were happy to give him the moon.
It’s very simple imho and has nothing to do with QBs … or even defenses … or even what division each team is in.
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January 5th, 2018 at 1:40 pm
Man some of the guys here are just completely ridiculous. If you think for one tiny split second bill belicheck would ever coach the Tampa Bay Buccaneers… He isn’t gonna ruin his legacy to do something so stupid. This is up there with the “we should fire harbaugh” posts. It continuously blows my mind his egocentric these fans are. Men that have their choice of anywhere don’t and will not come to Tampa. This franchise is bad and sadly I don’t think they spend enough to win. We’ve been hearing about salary cap for years. Same thing every year. Oh we are going to have to resign him him and him. Then the player tanks before the second deal happens. When we have 10 million rather than 33 million in cap space then I’ll believe we can win anything again.
January 5th, 2018 at 1:41 pm
The Oakland Raiders are calling a significant news conference for Tuesday, at which time they will introduce Jon Gruden as the team’s next coach, a league source confirmed to ESPN’s Adam Schefter on Friday.
Jon Gruden played the Bucs like a Madden game
January 5th, 2018 at 1:42 pm
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There is an article on yahoo right now saying that Gruden and Carr might be a horrible match as Carr apparently doesn’t respond well to “hard coaching” and some fear that Gruden will destroy the young man.
There’s nothing Gruden could have said or done that would have messed with Jameis … Jameis would have been the alpha out of the two … but with Carr, that poor kid could get steamrolled by Chucky.
Personally, I think it will work between Gruden and Carr, especially if Rich Gannon plays “middle man” … however I don’t see the Raiders making the playoffs next year, and the article seems to say that if Carr doesn’t perform next year the team could just cut him before the 2019 season … that seems absurd to me, but who knows, maybe Chucky will want to bring in Tim TeBow as he always maintained that TeBow would “revolutionize the QB position”, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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January 5th, 2018 at 1:53 pm
NO ONE OF ANY CALIBER WANTS TO COACH THIS TEAM ANYWAY , THATS WHY WE GET THE SCRAPS OR LEFT OVERS COACHES…….
January 5th, 2018 at 1:55 pm
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BELLICHICK? Ya’ll are seriously talking about the Pats TRADING Bellichick?
I mean, yeah sure, um, I’ll play along … say the Pats win the title this year and Brady retires and Bellichick doesn’t want to coach in New England anymore as Kraft sided with Brady over him in the Garoppolo trade thing … but that Bellichick is bound and determined to coach again and win one title with another QB and another team to prove HE and NOT Brady was the true star of the Patriots dynasty … I could actually see there being a small chance this happens.
So, what teams would trade A LOT for Bellichick and what teams would be be interested in … I’d say the following:
1. Packers: They just fired their OC, DC, GM …. and would be happy to fire McCarthy if they could get Bellichick, who would be thrilled to bounce from Brady to Rodgers … though maybe he’d pass as people would still say he only won with an “all-time great QB in his prime”
2. Browns: I know it’s the Browns but he coached their once and failed, but this time they have a BOATLOAD of not only cap space but draft picks … I could actually see Bellichick being really enticed by the Browns … he’d want complete control, a per year salary that makes Gruden’s look like peanuts and an ownership stake … but this could actually work … the downside is … it’s the Browns, BUT, if they sign Cousins, draft Saquon and Minkah and spend big in free agency, I could literally see them getting into the playoffs in a WEAK AFC next season!
3. Giants: The ONLY way I would put the Giants this high on the list is if they were to sign Kirk Cousins rather than drafting a rookie QB as Bellichick would want to win as fast as possible, but if they signed Cousins, drafted Saquon with the #2 pick and re-built that horrid offensive line through free agency and the draft, that would be a winnable situation for Bellichick.
4. Buccaneers: He’d need way more than Gruden wanted, but for Bellichick, I think the Glazers would make an exception and say yes where they said no to Gruden. The team has a passing game that looks like it could be one of the all-time great passing games for years to come but Bellichick would need full control and the ability to spend to the hilt in free agency to rebuild the defense. The reason I think Bellichick would have Tampa 4th out of these four teams is simply because of the division they play in … Bellichick knows he could go 10-6 next year and still finish in LAST PLACE in the division … that’s a nightmare for any coach!
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January 5th, 2018 at 1:56 pm
I can’t believe that this is the most commented on thread of the day. We’ve got Koetter and Smitty guys! What more do you want?!
Congrats to Gruden. I just hope that when we play him down the road that we pull a 45-0 on him.
January 5th, 2018 at 1:57 pm
@ Bucboi
here is the real injury story and you couldn’t be more off base:
Total games missed due to injury:
2016 2017
Noah spence 0 10
Robert Ayers 4 4
LVD 0 3
KWAN 0 4
VH 3 0 7
GMC 1 1
Will Gholston 2 2
Brent grimes 0 3
Clinton Macdonald 4 2
chris conte 2 0
Totals 13 36
January 5th, 2018 at 1:59 pm
I’m not buying this theory. Complete BS. If there were talks and Chucky didn’t come back, it’s because he wasn’t offered enough money. Maybe Chucky wanted his own GM, but again, make him an offer he can’t refuse. The Bucs have wasted $20-30mil on crap FA’s for each of the last several years. If they offered him $15-30mil a year, he’d be our coach. Return of El Cheapo Glazero.
January 5th, 2018 at 2:00 pm
Haha 15-20
January 5th, 2018 at 2:16 pm
Dont forget the real reason Gruden is going to the Raiders, there is a Hooters hotel & casino in Vegas.
I do think Vegas is a factor. The coach could be king of the town, So Gruden would rather be king of Vegas & not Tampa. Not to mention, he probably could get around there and not be bothered as much. You tend to see more famous people there without as much fanfare. I was just there and saw Pete Rose signing autographs. He was there alone with no one in line. I felt bad after making eye contact, and went over to say hello.
January 5th, 2018 at 2:16 pm
Wow, the raider contract is 100 million dollars. 10 million per season. Ten Years.
How much money does Chucky have? Wow.
January 5th, 2018 at 2:27 pm
10 years as Head Coach with the Raiders should get him into the Hall of Fame. He will hire Greg Olson as OC. Raider Nation will be on fire for the next 10 years.
January 5th, 2018 at 2:37 pm
to the we replace coaches every 2yr people ”
I called this and said lets just sign him for 10 years and be done with it
he might be listening to his old player hahaha
can nate dubb get 1% of that deal dammm man ; p
January 5th, 2018 at 2:44 pm
Bucsfanman Says:
January 5th, 2018 at 1:56 pm
I can’t believe that this is the most commented on thread of the day. We’ve got Koetter and Smitty guys! What more do you want?!
Congrats to Gruden. I just hope that when we play him down the road that we pull a 45-0 on him
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HAHAHAHA……I’d take that 45 wallop for another superbowl after this 10 year sahara desert of a run
don’t hold your breath and go to vegas and bet on it lol
WE MAD BRO???? LOL
let
January 5th, 2018 at 2:47 pm
10 years is ridiculous … I love Gruden but I don’t blame the Glazers for refusing to sign him to such a long contract, never mind the money.
What happens if the Raiders go 6-10 next year or miss the playoffs as I think they will? Then they move to Vegas and in their first season miss the playoffs again … the fans will be calling for a new coach and Davis and the Raiders will be having nightmares, knowing that Gruden is due another $80,000,000 …. CRAZY!
January 5th, 2018 at 2:53 pm
I’m sure the length of the contract Gruden was demanding played a huge part in the Glazers decision to “pass” on getting into a bidding war with Davis over Gruden’s services when it became apparent that’s what would happen if they had gone “all in” trying to get Chucky.
Not only does Gruden want to be the NFL’s highest paid coach – but he wants a 10 year guarantee as well. Whaaaat?? So if after 4 or 5 years you haven’t had the success expected and your HC’s arrogance and “people skills” and bad personnel decisions amidst the face of too much losing – has most of the players not wanting to play for him anymore – then you as owners are still obligated to the architect of that ugly scenario another $50-$60M whether you fire him or not?
No way would the Glazers put themselves in that position for ANY coach. Not even Belicheat probably.
Gruden hasn’t coached for reals in almost 10 years – and if Davis does indeed sign Gruden to a 10 year/$100M guaranteed contract – that owner is taking one HELL of a risk that this (now well established) TV guy will deliver as a top NFL HC from day 1 AND be able to maintain it at a pretty high level for 10 years as well….
Man that is just way too much of a risk. Good luck with that Raiders.
January 5th, 2018 at 2:59 pm
2018: 6-10
GET EXCITED BUCS FANS.
January 5th, 2018 at 3:01 pm
I do wonder though if this 10 year, 100 mil contract for Gruden will inspire Bill Cowher to return to coaching as he’s only two years older than Dirk Koetter and has a WAY BETTER RESUME THAN GRUDEN … I also wonder if this will push Jim Harbaugh back to the NFL … maybe even Nick Saban (though I highly, highly doubt that as I think he wants to win 7 NCAA titles to top Bear Bryant and be #1 before he even thinks about returning to the NFL)?
January 5th, 2018 at 3:02 pm
Wyoming…last time I’ll say it. Belichick has to agree to a new contract under the Bucs. Doesn’t really matter if Kraft likes that or not. And I don’t think Belichick would be interested in doing that. He would be better off to make Kraft terminate him…then he can go wherever he wants practically, without losing any draft pick,
January 5th, 2018 at 3:03 pm
Pickgrin … you and I think exactly alike on the Gruden contract
Sydney … 6-10 is my projected record for the RAIDERS next year …
January 5th, 2018 at 3:05 pm
Not gonna lie I am glad we did not get Chucky. We let him go for a reason, and EVERYONE know if he didn’t make the playoffs in the first 2 years all the fans would be calling for his head. Meanwhile Gruden is laughing to the bank for the following 8 years knowing he’s got 80mill on lock.
January 5th, 2018 at 3:05 pm
Anyone want to bet that Koetter will lead the Bucs to more success over the next five years than Gruden will for Oakland/ Vegas?
I know…not a fair bet…Koetter probably won’t even be coaching the Bucs a year from now.
January 5th, 2018 at 3:05 pm
bob
every team faces injuries….its part of the game….every team that doesn’t make the playoffs can blame injuries…..C’MON MAN!!!!
so what about the tougher schedule excuse?…..GO BUCS!!!!
January 5th, 2018 at 3:06 pm
Good News…. Lovie will be available a year from now. Hurry up and ink him before he gets comfortable on the sofa again.
January 5th, 2018 at 3:11 pm
Sydney…SB Baby….Smell the Pewter spray….Drink the Red Kool-aid. Book the flight. Who doesn’t think Green Bay and Oakland will have better records that the Bucs next year? Dream on. And likely for the five years after that.
January 5th, 2018 at 3:17 pm
Tony Dungy is only 4 years older than Koetter? The guy looks like he’s 112 … crazy.
Anyways, how insane would it be if the Bucs hired Dungy after next season and the Bucs and Raiders met in the SB in the Raiders inaugural season in Vegas … talk about a media firestorm!
January 5th, 2018 at 3:25 pm
Nut…better still…why don’t we resurrect a couple other great coaches… Tom Landry and Vince Lombardi…. And we can have Landry coach us, Lombardi the Packers and we can go to Green Bay for the SB and play Ice Bowl 2…if we are dreaming….but this time Tampa Bay will win…since we are dreaming our wildest football dreams.
January 5th, 2018 at 3:33 pm
Well if the bucs do end up firing Koetter, I am sure lots of teams will be lining up to give him a ten million dollar a year deal. He being such a great coach and all.
Or, it could be the same number of teams call as when the Rock Star’s phone rings off the hook when GM vacancies come up.
And Raheem’s, and Schiano’s, and Lovie’s, etc.
Yet the two incompetent ones, Bruce Allen and Chucky, get huge gigs and contracts.
Something doesn’t seem right.
January 5th, 2018 at 3:42 pm
@Eric,
The past 8 years don’t make the putrid 6 years of Gruden any easier to swallow. We have to find a coaching staff that can build this team right and it starts with a good GM with a Footbal IQ. I don’t think Jon should have been fired in the first place for a 9-7 record, but I think the Glazers got tired of the bad drafts, the horrible talent evaluation, and the overall power and ego Gruden had. The Glazers are at fault for all of that. But, they had to move on from a bad situation. Looks like history is repeating itself with the Raiders who have sold their soul for the quick win. But, the only difference is the Raiders have a younger team so they may be able to prolong the winning before it’s time for Gruden to light that dumpster on fire.
Jon may win with the Raiders, but that does not mean he could have done that here. We are miles away from the talent level of the Raiders. That is a playoff team BEFORE Gruden even entered the picture. He’s going to repeat his Bucs success if he doesn’t mess things up too badly. Just install his offense and go get that Lombardi. That team is ready. We’re not.
Gruden is an OC, not a HC. That’s my point. 6 years and we had players like Josh Johnson, Robosack, Tim Brown, Charlie Garner, Sabby Piscitelli, Barrett Ruud, Maurice Stovall, Arron Sears, Dexter Jackson (WR), etc. He couldn’t put a team together once the pieces of the SB team started leaving or retiring.
January 5th, 2018 at 3:46 pm
@bucboi
Lot of people blame Smitty , But the defense has larrgely been ignored for about
4 years now. One big difference Smitty had no control over the roster.and Licht has done him no favors with the majority of his free agent picks.
January 5th, 2018 at 3:58 pm
@Nate- I’m glad I’m not the only one! Remember that game?! OOOOOOO-EEEEE!!!
January 5th, 2018 at 5:14 pm
Bob in Valrico Says:
January 5th, 2018 at 3:46 pm
@bucboi
Lot of people blame Smitty , But the defense has larrgely been ignored for about 4 years now
So I guess drafting:
spence
kwon
VHG
j.evans
ryan smith
tu tu
beckwith
don’t count……GO BUCS!!!!
January 5th, 2018 at 10:41 pm
I just want to prepare myself if Gruden takes the Raiders to the Super Bowl to hear everyone say “Gruden took Del Rio’s team to the Super Bowl”. I’m amazed at the disrespect and ignorance. Gruden destroyed Dungy 45-0! If I follow the warped logic of Rod Munch then Dungy couldn’t take his own team to the Super Bowl! How bad is that! Oh, I guess “Bill Callahan took Gruden’s team to the Super Bowl and Gruden just happened to take Dungy’s team to the Super Bowl”… Thinking that way is mindless. As a season ticket holder, I personally watched EVERY home game that Dungy and Gruden coached. Dungy was the FG king and tried to win every game with a kicker! Players even said they were sick of the lack of accountability of the offense. I watched us dismantle the 49ers and Eagles in the playoffs. I watched a coach isolate Joe Jurivicious on Barry Gardner. Dungy couldn’t do that in his dreams. I’m with University of Seffner. Give credit where it’s due and quit with the disrespect. I’ve coached State Championship high school teams and been a part of winless teams. I know good coaching when I see it. As far the “Bert Emmanuel” fiasco… what makes anyone think we would have converted 3rd and 10 with Shawn King, Jacquez Green, Redell Anthony, etc. We got the ball on the 20 yard line at the beginning of the game after a Steve White interception and still couldn’t score! Every year Dungy went to play the Eagles he’d kick his FG’s and go home…I can go on and on. University of Seffner knows his stuff and is a true fan. We ALL want the Bucs to get a ring! Stop telling me what could have happened and what DID happen!
January 5th, 2018 at 11:23 pm
mark2001 … have some common sense … I wasn’t actually advocating the Bucs hire Dungy, just saying it would make for a cool media story …. I could say the same thing about Bellichick being traded to the Packers and next year’s SB being Patriots v. Packers …
January 6th, 2018 at 8:07 am
‘Chucky wasn’t in love with what the Bucs have — more importantly don’t have — on defense.’
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But but, I thought he was supposed to be the best coach in the world and he can’t turn a team around? pffft. Gruden’s a jerk.
January 6th, 2018 at 5:50 pm
as MUCH as I wanted mike evans
I can remember wanting Derek Carr in 2014…
hearing and seeing he was nothing like his younger less talented sacked to oblivion brother
Carr is 1-0 against jameis ……we will see who wins the 2nd game when it happens
January 6th, 2018 at 5:55 pm
But but, I thought he was supposed to be the best coach in the world and he can’t turn a team around? pffft. Gruden’s a jerk.
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he pulled off one miracle here and almost one the year before getting to the superbowl if not for the tuck rule
and yes miracle because as GREAT as the defense was if not for the offense to
take us over the top….many of yall forget the raiders ALMOST came back in that game
some of yall are ungrateful @$$ haters…lol….I have a second team from afar in the silver and black lol
YOU MAD BRO…..LOL….as much as I want to be I cant be mad…some of
January 6th, 2018 at 5:58 pm
Bucsfanman Says:
January 5th, 2018 at 3:58 pm
@Nate- I’m glad I’m not the only one! Remember that game?! OOOOOOO-EEEEE!!!
hahaha…..ugggh I remember to well that day lol
January 6th, 2018 at 5:58 pm
TOO well that day* ….hint hint LOL
January 6th, 2018 at 8:39 pm
I’d take Carr over Winston any day. This wasn’t a hard decision.