Accountability III
January 11th, 2018
The Cowboys are doing what?
You know the company line for the Buccaneers and every great organization.
Joe can almost close his eyes and hear the soothing tones from Dirk Koetter and Jason Licht.
“We will leave no stone unturned as we look to improve every facet our team this offseason.”
It’s the anthem of hope when you’re not in the Super Bowl conversation.
Are the Bucs living by that anthem? Joe has no clue. Joe simply hopes that standard is being applied to the Bucs assistant coaches, which is why Joe has written a lot about the season of accountability across the NFL.
A fresh and intriguing nugget came today. ProFootballTalk.com and others are reporting the Cowboys will part ways with their offensive line coach of the past three years, Frank Pollack. For those not paying attention, the Dallas offensive line might be the very best in the NFL through those three years.
But, apparently, the Cowboys want better — right now.
Tampa Bay’s only Hall of Fame voter, JoeBucsFan.com columnist Ira Kaufman, noted on his podcast today, Bucs fans should take a deep breath and exhale after the Senior Bowl on Jan. 27. That’s Kaufman’s cutoff date for the Bucs hiring new assistant coaches. Anything could happen before then, he says.
Eleven days after the regular season ended, it remains unclear whether the Bucs are seeking any upgrades to their 5-11 staff.
January 11th, 2018 at 1:57 pm
Totally confident, right guys?
January 11th, 2018 at 2:00 pm
Maybe we are waiting for the right man to available? If not we will stay with whoever is there in the coaching staff?
January 11th, 2018 at 2:14 pm
It’s who would come here knowing if he don’t win next year everyone is fired
January 11th, 2018 at 2:15 pm
Yea Buc fans…..crickets. Coming from a team that finished with a 5-11 record, coming from a team with such a short history of success, coming from a team who’s only stand is that “at least we’re not Cleveland!”
So, it’s still early. Well, what are we waiting for?! Is anybody confident with this ENTIRE staff returning? If so, then why? Help me understand how a team that looks so bad doesn’t need some change.
Seriously! Seattle, Dallas, Carolina all better teams, way better. Yet, here we are……crickets!
January 11th, 2018 at 2:17 pm
Love and loyalty are noble concepts when building a locker-room and roster.
However, logic and objectivity are needed to build a winner.
You think Belicheck holds on to guys because he “likes” them?
Vincent Jackson was kept 1 year too long because of Jason Licht’s kind heart.
Doug Martin didn’t lose his starting job because Koetter was too nice.
Sometimes, I hate ti say it, you need to be a little cold-hearted to build a great roster.
Players like Baker and Justin Gordan are a dime a dozen.
Millions of dollars? All that temptation?
No wonder so many players burn out.
Only the dedicated and relatively “insane” survive.
Like MJ, Tom Brady, and Christiano Ronaldo.
They take such good care of themselves its kind of “insane.”
@The fans
Anybody spot Hargreaves partying in South Tampa like J-Fro?
You think partying is killing VHIII?
January 11th, 2018 at 2:17 pm
Say..How dare all of you’s! We are the Tampa Bay Bucs. We do things right. We don’t tweak. We don’t get better We just…Are! We have our voodoo beads. Our prayer cloths, our same ole formulas, our owners, and our fierless coaches. We are Winners. We are the bottom of the division Bucs. How dare you say we need improvements. Onward..Forward March..into the Frey with Can’t make in game adjustments Koetter and his sidekick ..pressbox binocular wearing Smitty!!
January 11th, 2018 at 2:41 pm
Good coaching is directly related to the talent they have to work with….
January 11th, 2018 at 2:55 pm
When your five games out of third in the Division you gotta spread some BS around.
January 11th, 2018 at 2:58 pm
Where are the Glazers and how will they justify this season to the fans that keep this thing running .Haven’t heard a word but its all good I will not renew my season tickets either . Guess my family and I will move on with this we will find another outlet with our cash
January 11th, 2018 at 2:59 pm
For the elite talent they had the line play was disappointing this last year it seemed. Collins hasn’t really developed either so I can understand this
January 11th, 2018 at 3:08 pm
It’s just SCAPEGOAT SEASON in the NFL … the Cowboys line is amazing and the Panthers O.C. just helped Cam Newton win an MVP two years ago but fans expect changes every offseason for non-SB winners so teams stupidly scapegoat people … it’s absurd.
January 11th, 2018 at 3:08 pm
This team should be demanding more from its staff. If there are no changes, how can you look at the fans with a straight face and say you’re trying to win? There are obvious improvements to be had on the street.
January 11th, 2018 at 3:09 pm
^ My above post is NOT a defense of Tampa … Mike Smith DESERVED to be fired.
January 11th, 2018 at 3:12 pm
NFLNut- I’m glad you clarified Nut because I almost spit all over my keyboard. I do agree to an extent however. Jettisoning coaches every 2 years is never a recipe for success. Then again, that comes from the top.
January 11th, 2018 at 4:03 pm
…and you guys think we’re able to attract top asst. coaching candidates when it’s playoff or bust and the head coach/gm are presumed dead men walking heading into next season?
January 11th, 2018 at 4:06 pm
Adrian Clayborn got the man fired!
January 11th, 2018 at 4:11 pm
Bucfanman
In 2014 the Bucs were developing a lot of young talent. They started 6 rookies that year and 4 more rookies got playing time. Then they fired the Head Coach and the defensive coaching staff. Now the young guys from the 2015 team has regressed or no longer part of the team.
January 11th, 2018 at 4:12 pm
2015 not 2014
January 11th, 2018 at 4:13 pm
George Warhop needs to go somewhere else.
Even the most cursory review of this guy’s coaching history is all you need to see that he’s no bueno.
And he needs to go.
Now.
As you were.
January 11th, 2018 at 4:14 pm
If this website was “accountable” you would think that they would mentioned the running backs coach!!!!! But only calling out certain coaches and not others is not “accountable” and just looks like playing “favorites” around here!!!!!!!
Go Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 11th, 2018 at 4:32 pm
8 teams still in the playoffs, maybe they have their eye on someone?
January 11th, 2018 at 4:34 pm
there are only 8 teams in the playoffs….which start on Sat
January 11th, 2018 at 4:48 pm
Could of sworn there are 12 teams in the playoffs, which started last weekend. Rip Van Ego wake up! lol
January 11th, 2018 at 4:48 pm
I’ve seen more than one ‘professional sports journalist’ suggest that the entire Bucs staff should have been fired except for Marc Duffner (LBs), Ben Steele (TEs), and Todd Monken (WRs). Just coincidentally, those are the three position groups where the Bucs actually have some talent. Well duh. Seems these ‘professional sports journalists’ have about as much insight and football savvy as the average JBF poster – some of you might want to archive all your comments here and use them as a springboard to a new profession.
January 11th, 2018 at 5:02 pm
Why do I have the feeling that the Bucs are not going to go after any of these good coordinators and coaches that are being let go, keep the entire coaching staff from this year, and end up 5-11 or worse next year.
January 11th, 2018 at 5:06 pm
Glad to see you hammering this issue, Joe.
The Glazers are trying something new: Consistency.
Howard just hopes they don’t go overboard with it.
There’s a happy medium between consistency and constant turnover.
Smith deserves to be canned. Worst defense in the history of football.
Opposing QB’s having pick-nicks on red checkerboard cloths in the backfield
while yawning at the Bucs passrush .
More than likely Koetter is lobbying hard to keep his good ‘ol boy Smith…
January 11th, 2018 at 5:18 pm
Wild card is not play off…
January 11th, 2018 at 5:54 pm
I understand it’s a business….and a rough one at that…..one of the few where people publicly call for firing someone….
I wonder how that must feel?…….I’ve been fired but never had someone publicly call for it.
So, I’ll join the crowd…..we need to improve our ST.
January 11th, 2018 at 6:03 pm
Coaching Upgrade(s):
Offense
• Running Backs Coach: Earnest Byner
Defense
• Defensive Line Coach: Craig Kuligowski or Karl Dunbar
• Asst. Defensive Line Coah: Justin Smith
• Linebackers Coach: Ken Norton Jr.
• Defensive Backs Coach: Dennis Thurman or Donnie Henderson
January 11th, 2018 at 6:03 pm
This whole organization from the top down is a laughing stock. It’s pathetic.
But hey this is the best time of the years for Bucs fans. I’d be surprised if any big name free agents come here no matter how much they get paid.
Yea join a last place team that sucks on every level a year away from the whole staff getting fired.
Next year the Bucs will suck again and be lucky to get 6 wins.
No point in even watching this total sh it show of a team and organization.
I’ve been watching this crap since 1987. You would think I would be used to it by now. I bet Cleveland whips this teams as s next season.
January 11th, 2018 at 6:26 pm
I agree lovabkeyucs, it’s minddumbing to watch the team make bad decisions….or lack of good decisions. I don’t get it. They are common sense issues and solutions that 85 percent of the fan base recognise. Surely professionals see the same thing right? Almost like they are doing what they are told…..
NFL is a huge business. No way they manipulate the team’s and games to control the outcome of the finished product ever year right? That would be CRAZY!!!! NO WAY RIGHT????
January 11th, 2018 at 6:59 pm
@AlteredEgo … “Good coaching is directly related to the talent they have to work with.” This whole thread could’ve stopped right there. T-A-L-E-N-T counts, and the Bucs are woefully deficient in several position groupings as so many have written so many times. Licht can’t fix the Bucs solely through the draft. At best we get maybe 2-4 starters/key rotational players from the draft each year, and on most good teams half of those would be riding the bench. We have to grab several top-notch free agents (DE/DT, CB, OL) if we’re to have any chance of having a winning 2018 season. Bucs have the money … no excuses for not upgrading the talent level on this team.
January 11th, 2018 at 7:20 pm
@bucemup
I don’t think it has to do with fixed outcomes. I think it has to do with total idiots running the organization that don’t have a clue on how to build a team.
Anyone with eyes could say how to fix this team and have been able to for years but the powers to be for whatever reason can’t figure it out. It’s scary really. It’s not that hard. From picking the coaches to play calling. Every year it’s the same ol sh it. I guarantee the average person could walk in there and do a better job because the problems and how to fix them is so blatantly obvious to everyone and anyone with eyes.
[Hope you understand what Steve is battling and that he’s trying to do a radio show while going through at least his third round of chemo. — Joe ]
January 11th, 2018 at 7:28 pm
“We will leave no stone unturned as we look to improve every facet our team this offseason.”
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Once again Joe, don’t you earn enough coin for to employ a proof reader? You site is Awesome and Original but almost Daily your articles have typos in them. C’mon man! Do the right thing and make sure the articles don’t have them. “of” is missing in the above sentence. I LOVE your site and it is one of my first clicks Every day. You would do yourself justice to clean that stuff up. Keep the articles coming tho!!!!!
January 11th, 2018 at 7:41 pm
LUV!!!! My bro! Good to c u man.
Did you research Christian Wilkins yet?
January 11th, 2018 at 8:10 pm
My BS Meter is off the charts. Leave no stone unturned…seriously. They really think we believe that. smh
January 11th, 2018 at 11:08 pm
Maybe there is something to the Belicheat discontent rumors. If he were available, I’d make the move.
January 11th, 2018 at 11:51 pm
At what point do we start to question the basic competency of the guys really calling the shots? This is just another coaching decision that was thoroughly botched at the top. It was the worst kept secret in football that ownership wanted Gruden. It’s hard to fault Koetter for sticking with his guys at this point – he basically has to. Nobody in the league believes he’s safe past next year, and if he’s gonna save his job it’s looking more and more like he has no choice but to do it with guys he knows and trusts – regardless of whether or not they earned a chance to make up for their dismal on field results.
January 12th, 2018 at 12:00 am
Lovable yucs Says:
January 11th, 2018 at 7:20 pm
@bucemup
I don’t think it has to do with fixed outcomes. I think it has to do with total idiots running the organization that don’t have a clue on how to build a team.
Anyone with eyes could say how to fix this team and have been able to for years but the powers to be for whatever reason can’t figure it out. It’s scary really. It’s not that hard. From picking the coaches to play calling. Every year it’s the same ol sh it. I guarantee the average person could walk in there and do a better job because the problems and how to fix them is so blatantly obvious to everyone and anyone with eyes.
[Hope you understand what Steve is battling and that he’s trying to do a radio show while going through at least his third round of chemo. — Joe ]
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I may be not good at reading comprehension but who is “Steve’ that is battling Cancer? I hope he is doing well but what does it have to do with this comment?
Regardless…………Whoever ‘Steve’ is, my Prayers are with him. Chemo is a Horrible thing! I know!
January 12th, 2018 at 1:05 am
If Dirk is staying, and at this point short of a trade for Bill Belichick he is, then let him do what he wants. I don’t have much faith in the guy but he’s basically got until the bye week of next year to prove himself or he’ll be fired. That’s the deal the Glazers made when they announced before week 17 that he was coming back. You can’t exactly change coaches every 2 years and expect success. I said that when you guys chased off Lovie and pointed out what a bad idea it was to take a success OC who just came off a great year working with a rookie QB, and then promoting him to HC which in turn meant he’d have much less time to spend working on the offense and much less time working with Winston. It was a dumb idea that almost everyone here thought was a great idea. Additionally at the time I said in two years you same people will be back calling for Dirk’s head and this whole process will repeat and repeat and repeat. Well you all are predictable if nothing else.
January 12th, 2018 at 5:58 am
@tampabaybucfan,
Lol, it’s not easy and it’s one of very few professions that after years and Years
on the job , spending ungodly amounts of time in the profession, that you , as a coach, know less than the guy who is making a career in the convenience store biz. Or anyone else for that matter. Amazingly, the more time spent in the profession the less you seem to know.
Pretty unique occupational path.
January 12th, 2018 at 2:18 pm
Bucs humiliated chucky he just got his revenge and he will do wonders in Oakland . bucs are the bucs and the only thing there is to hope for is luck because I fear another bad season is coming until there is major changes we need another dungy here and that will take luck