“Too Much Time”
December 27th, 2017
That quote in the headline? Tampa Bay icon Ronde Barber barked it out during the Bucs-Panthers broadcast Sunday.
Perhaps Barber was doing the ol’ internal stopwatch test.
Barber was watching the first critical fumble by America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston, on Tampa Bay’s opening drive. Jameis held the ball for four seconds (based on Joe’s multiple reviews) and drifted toward the pass rush and then stepped into it.
It was a rookie move. Right tackle Caleb Benenoch held off his man but that broke down after a few seconds.
“Too much time!” Barber said.
Yes, the fumble was all on Jameis, per Barber, as was the Jameis’ fumbled snap later. Barber called it a perfect snap and Jameis’ hands weren’t open.
All correctable stuff from Jameis. But why hasn’t it been corrected yet? Why is Jameis leading the NFL this season in fumbles in limited action, after being tied for third in the NFL in fumbles last year but having good ball security as a rookie (though he had a lot of picks in his first year)?
Why isn’t Jameis putting together a complete ball security game after 45 starts?
Even if it is all on Jameis and not coaching, Joe thinks Jameis certainly would benefit from a new voice, a new QB coach in his ear every day. Maybe that will make a difference.
December 27th, 2017 at 12:37 pm
IMHO, Jameis would benefit by going to back up DeShone. His innate talent is unquestioned and unquestionable but he is an immature hothead on and off the field, and that will never change either!
December 27th, 2017 at 12:44 pm
Funny BuckAnEar a talentless man talks about who does and doesn’t have talent.
December 27th, 2017 at 12:45 pm
Buck,
You lost the point with your first sentence. What would Jameis (and the Bucs) benefit from going to backup up Deshone Kizer?
December 27th, 2017 at 12:47 pm
Barber another sell out.
He must have gotten a spanking for calling McIceCream out at the beginning of the season so now its all praise for the soft serve ice cream ghost and constant critism for the 23 year old that broke Dan Marino’s record for most TDs thrown…..
I hear him on tv talking about oh that pass was off target but then on replay it’s like well it hit him in the hands you need to squeeze it. STFU! You garbage that’s why they got you covering buc games. Your brother never had to cover a Bucs game. Lololol.
But hang in there keep sipping on chocolate milk shake nut juice and someday soon you’ll be calling Dolphin games. Fingers crossed buddy.
December 27th, 2017 at 12:48 pm
Waaaay to much time. I think a good portion of his sacks are that he doesn’t get the ball out his hands fast enough, particularly on blitzes. The Panthers threw constant blitzes at him for that reason, although they do run plenty of blitzes normally. Granted, there was no adjustment from the coaches. They have the same game plan for every team they play seemingly. Look at the Pats. Every gameplan is different based on who they play. So here’s the question based off that observation. Can Jameis learn to adjust his game each week, or is this an issue? Do they not change things up because Jameis can’t handle it? Or are they not preparing him properly? I’m leaning towards not preparing him properly based on the team as a whole. If that is true, then Koetter and Co need to be gone. It’s that simple.
December 27th, 2017 at 12:49 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyv6Quc3OTI
December 27th, 2017 at 12:50 pm
BucAnEar
Meth a hellava drug!!!!!
Exhibit A folks: FL PUBLIC EDUCATION
December 27th, 2017 at 12:56 pm
He held the ball 2 reasons the developing routes and the coverage.
December 27th, 2017 at 12:58 pm
LOL
with a average line and short passing attack from gruden next year
jameis will be at the middle of the QB list
first 6 games , jameis was playing shortstop fielding grounders from Marpet
1 way ticket to Idaho for Klueless
December 27th, 2017 at 1:02 pm
Barber is right, I initially put that fumble on the O-line but after rewatching and pausing the play there were 2 guys wide open on quick underneath out routes. I think he was looking down the field instead of just taking what the defense was giving him.
December 27th, 2017 at 1:08 pm
good article, I am a diehard JW supporter but this article is clear and and brings up agood point, Jameis needs correction in this area and koetter by now should of made this a priority to get this corrected
December 27th, 2017 at 1:08 pm
Jameis needs to alter his ego….
December 27th, 2017 at 1:12 pm
Waterboy, did you see how much time was left? Fumble was on jameis but you can’t take 5yrd passes to get down the field with less than a min left. Throw it away
December 27th, 2017 at 1:13 pm
This makes me think back to something that Jameis said during a film session with Maraucci during the combine. They were breaking down film and Jameis was going thru his reads and he made the comment “Touchdown to checkdown”. I think that’s his approach on most plays, he’s reading the field by looking down the field first for the big play and from there taking short high percentage throws if that’s not available. I like that aggressive approach but he has to be more willing to give up on his guy springing open for the big play and just check it down. He’s getting much better at doing that but still reverts back at times. I need to go back and look at the down and distance on that play to see if that might have played a part in the reason he didn’t want to take the short checkdown passes.
December 27th, 2017 at 1:14 pm
When are the mouth breathers going to figure out that the NFL is 95% coaching. Did Mike Smith’s Atlanta teams have a pass rush? Nope. Not a coincidence.
December 27th, 2017 at 1:15 pm
@Realbucfan941
I thought it was pretty early in the game but I do need to go back and look at the down and distance on that play that might have played a part in trying to wait on his guy to get open down the field instead of taking the quick routes.
December 27th, 2017 at 1:21 pm
Now douche bag 55 going after Rhonde barber cause he is talking about his man. Yah. Jameis does nothing wrong. He has received the best coaching his entire life. Seems like those two examples are common sense and totally on him. Keep blaming coaching though.
Plus pretty sure Rhonde has earned the right to critique the bucs.
December 27th, 2017 at 1:22 pm
A defense that gives up too many points is what is in his head….not dirk not monken. Its the damn defense. They crapped the bed all season even when they play decent most the game they always guce it up in the end. Fix the defense fix the team.
I have even heard gruden himself say on numerous monday night footballs that his old defense has been dissected and figured out by nfl dcs.
Zone coverage is needed in some situations but not yo base a defense on. Fix the defense fix the team…..PERIOD!!!!!
December 27th, 2017 at 1:26 pm
Benonoch didnt hold the block on the Peppers sack when the Buccs were driving late in the game in the redzone.
December 27th, 2017 at 1:33 pm
#3 is still growing. This year I thought he improved greatly in one area while still totally lacking in another.
At least this year when #3 could see the pocket collapsing in front of him and his receivers covered he was smart enough to throw it away. A nice improvement over his first two years.
But he does not possess that magical NFL QB stopwatch in his head that tells him how much time he has left on his back side or blindside. And that’s where the majority of his fumbles have come from. There are times when things look ok around #3 so he holds the ball but behind him the line is finally giving way.
Can’t hold the ball for more than 5 seconds and think good things are going to happen.
December 27th, 2017 at 1:34 pm
Bucemup
Ur right. I think the same thing. The defense bothers the offense so much that scoring scoring scoring is in the mind. So much that they can’t score.
December 27th, 2017 at 1:34 pm
Peppers has done that to a lot of players….Benonoch is a journeymen NFL linemen…second year….this team has a lot of holes…
Patience Coach Hoppers
December 27th, 2017 at 1:35 pm
Exactly… in every practice a guy should have a stop watch on him, and when he exceeds the allotted time, the coach should be in his ear, “you either get it off or get out of the pocket”… You’ve just been sacked…OK, not by our team. But pretty much every other Defense.
December 27th, 2017 at 1:37 pm
Joel…when are folks going to realize any sport is 95% talent….and talent makes coaches look like geniuses
December 27th, 2017 at 1:39 pm
As I said. Jameis is a fumble machine and loses games for the Bucs.
December 27th, 2017 at 1:39 pm
Like I said Altered…7-9, 8-8, maybe even 6-10 with a couple wins at the end…maybe Koetter stays. But five game out of third place in our division and 4-12, 5-11, without a win since Mid Nov.? Don’t see it.
December 27th, 2017 at 1:40 pm
For god’s sake! it is what it is, and always will be…WINSTON is a FUMBLER and has no sense of the rush in the pocket…we’re done!…he has proven what he is and it aint good enough..hit his peak…A borderline career starter with an inability to finish drives and a ridiculous amount of stupid panic plays…
December 27th, 2017 at 1:40 pm
Altered ego
Absolutely right. Players play. Some sports don’t even need a coach. The elite NBA teams have superstar after superstar. Pretty sure they could walk on court without gameplan and win
December 27th, 2017 at 1:42 pm
95% talent? Not at all. It is 60% between the ears of the players and coaching, and 40% talent. There is plenty of talent in the league, and the system is designed to help spread it around.
December 27th, 2017 at 2:09 pm
If Winstons weakness is pocket presence/stopwatch maybe he doesn’t need to be in a vertical offense. maybe the west coast offense fits him better, If only there was coach around that ran a west coast offense…
December 27th, 2017 at 2:12 pm
Bird… Coaches make a difference, especially in Football. Oh, I see your idea for a football team. “OK guys…go out and play. Do what you want…just score touchdowns”. Shall we punt? Whatever you want guys… just don’t give up a TD if they get the ball. Defense? Whatever you think guys…go out there and use your talent. Sure…that will work.
December 27th, 2017 at 2:14 pm
Dewey…uhhummmm…let me think. There must be someone in town that can handle that. Maybe would should go to Hooters and see if there is one hanging around? Or maybe answering phones on the beach giving tailgate advice?
December 27th, 2017 at 2:15 pm
Im a jameis supporter and the most experienced ex player of a prominent college team
Now, that being said DB55, insulting the man for his legendary view is ASS A NINE
holding the ball OR FEELING THE POCKET TO KNOW WHEN TO EAT THE BALL
like Drew Brees does very well is a commodity that HAS TO BE DEVELOPED
don’t get ALL EMOTIONAL IN YOUR FEELINGS LIKE A WEAK $itch
BE A TRUE FAN AND ADMIT JAMEIS’ FAULTS AS WELL AS HIS ATTRIBUTES
he needs to have better pocket presence PERIOD….just as the line needs to improve
as a player…..coaches teach if you still have the ball and your not moving (climbing the pocket/ like he did on the touchdown btw) after 3 1 1000
THROW IT AWAY OR EAT THE BALL ON PRESSURE
December 27th, 2017 at 2:17 pm
3 (one thousand) seconds *
December 27th, 2017 at 2:17 pm
and NO I’m NOT NATE WEBSTER HAHAHA
December 27th, 2017 at 2:18 pm
Waterboy Says: I think he was looking down the field instead of just taking what the defense was giving him.
“…….Taking what the defense gives you”.
I recall in the early years of the last decade a man roaming the sidelines saying that very same thing………. Gruden 2018
Make Bucs Great Again #MBGA
December 27th, 2017 at 2:19 pm
Tiki barber was a fumbler before Tom Coughlin. The Redskins haven’t been great without Joe Gibbs. Warren Sapp was on the way to being a bust instead of having a Bust before Dungy. The Bucs D was on the way to never sniffing a SuperBowl before Gruden. Coaching matters!
December 27th, 2017 at 2:21 pm
Nate…hopefully Jamesi can watch film cut ups of top QB’s..older ones working the pocket…I want Jameis to realize his potential…his mechanics have been greatly improved since returning…it is all mental for him now
December 27th, 2017 at 2:25 pm
The Art of War by Sun Tzu….Jameis needs to go to camp…mental this off season and study …he did a great job last off season working on his physical conditioning…
December 27th, 2017 at 2:28 pm
It seems to be a stretch to blame the QB coach for Jameis’ fumbles…..I mean…..what does he have to do……tell him in multiple languages….tell him to count to 3 and eat the ball….hold on with both hands and the ball tucked into his body.
This is Jameis listening but not thinking during the game….he’s thinking what kind of play can I make when he should be thinking…..time to protect the ball.
It’s simply his nature and I’m not quite sure he will ever totally rid himself of it.
December 27th, 2017 at 2:29 pm
More automatic moderation, Joe…..you have cleared every single post of mine for over a year…..what gives?
As Joe has explained, Joe has no answer to whatever glitch causes this.–Joe
December 27th, 2017 at 2:37 pm
^^^^ exactly ghost
what made freeman so great his year and chris simms (the year he faced the redskins who we almost beat that year in the wildcard)
was exactly that ….
with freemans 10-6 year ….if they played and sat coverage he took underneath or ran
if the D played up he went over the top or threw the ball away if it wasn’t there
same with simms that year under Gruden
who remembers simms baiting the redskins player on the sidelines with his hand (come here) while he ran out of bounds lol
Gruden 2018
December 27th, 2017 at 2:38 pm
I hope so Alteredego…hes got TOO much talent NOT to succeed
December 27th, 2017 at 2:42 pm
Now DB is hating on Ronde Barber, one of the greatest to ever wear a Bucs uniform? Bc he called out Jameis for mistakes?
lol cmon bruh, Ronde was right and you know it.
December 27th, 2017 at 2:44 pm
D….n, look around the league NO QB IS PERFECT…not the QB’s Jameis are competing against…HE’S NOT PERFECT…none of them even tho JW outplayed them all the last few games…and Ronde was a defensive player he knows bout as much as some of the couch players on this site😲!
December 27th, 2017 at 2:51 pm
Fumbling WAS NOT A TYPICAL PROBLEM FOR JW, however it was for Mariota…and HE IS NOT PERFECT, just like the other 31 QB’s in the league
December 27th, 2017 at 3:06 pm
yall people crazy…..yeah Winston turned it over a bunch….but once again he gave us a 4th quarter lead….dirk supporters will blame Winston….real fans blame the coaches…..hold the coaches accountable!!!!….GO BUCS!!!
December 27th, 2017 at 3:30 pm
You guys are crazy! Jameis has already won 2 Super B……wait, what? He hasn’t even been to a Super Bowl?! WHAT?! He leads the league in fumbles?!!! No way dude! We’re like 12-4 right?! No? 4 and ELEVEN?! Have you lost your dang mind?! No freakin’ way! He’s got a million passing yards, how can that be?!
Jameis is “America’s Quarterback”!!! I saw him lift a car to rescue a baby once! He is without equal, I will not listen to these NFL “HACKS” criticize the greatest QB America has ever seen. This guy is too good to be coached by mere mortals!
By the way, who is this “Ronde the Barber” you speak of?! He should really stick to something he’s good at, like cutting hair. He’s a “barber” right?!
December 27th, 2017 at 3:39 pm
The Carolina Panthers are ranked #1 in Defensive Pass Protection. They have 49 sacks, 9.5% Adjusted Sack Rate. The D-Line has over 40 sacks with two players with at least 10 sacks. The Bucs should have went into the game with a game plan that consists of slants, screen passes to the backs, You have to scheme against teams.
December 27th, 2017 at 3:53 pm
The Carolina Panthers O-Line are worst than the Bucs in pass protection and run blocking. But the Bucs are 4-11 and the Panthers are 11-4. The Bucs even has over 1,000 more passing yards than the Bucs. The difference is Cam Newton. Cam won’t sit in the pocket and wait to be mauled by the pass rush. Cam has 695 yards rushing and a ton of first downs. And the Panthers leading receiver is Christian McCaffrey (105 targets). When your offensive line is weak, you have to help the line with slants, screens to the RBs.
December 27th, 2017 at 3:54 pm
The Bucs has more than 1,000 passing yards than the Carolina Panthers.
December 27th, 2017 at 4:05 pm
Bucsfanman
lol
December 27th, 2017 at 4:27 pm
@Joe … “Joe thinks Jameis certainly would benefit from a new voice, a new QB coach in his ear every day.” I can’t believe that out of over 50 JBF commenters on this article (a very good one BTW), no one mentioned your real bottom line Joe. Jameis has had THREE (3) years with Mike Bajakian, and we’re still seeing far too many rookie mistakes. Does coaching matter? Of course it does. That’s why coaches like Bama’s Nick Saban command in excess of $10 million per year.
And insofar as Jameis’ fumbling goes, have seen more than one QB develop ‘happy feet’ because of their OLine’s ineptitude. Maybe Jameis is developing a different variant of the same thing. Maybe IF our illustrious GM would FIX THE OLINE so that it does a better job of protection then, just maybe, Jameis’ fumbles might go down. And maybe if our illustrious OC would let Jameis roll out more (or heaven forbid, run by design) instead of gluing him in the pocket, then maybe Jameis might also benefit from that mobility and fumble less.
December 27th, 2017 at 5:55 pm
When everyone is telling Winston he is “doing to much” and can’t make bad plays by forcing the ball in, yet his receivers aren’t open and he’s told to stick in the pocket, what exactly do you expect? Everyone says Winston MUST throw less INTs and Dirk doesn’t do things like rollouts, so Winston is stuck in the pocket waiting for his guys to get open without the option of forcing a throw. Winston hangs onto the ball until the very last second and time and time and time again that works out for the best as he has an uncanny ability to roll away from pressure inside the pocket – but sometimes that backfires.
This isn’t a bad thing, it’s the sign of a guy doing what he’s told and progressing as a player. In the past he might have forced the ball, but he’s been told not to do that and he isn’t. That is going to lead to issues when the o-line isn’t any good and is missing multiple starters. He held onto the ball a bit too long trying to make a play but didn’t do anything dumb, he just go stripped of the ball. It happens. Fumbling the snap? Well that happens too – in particular when you’re missing your starting center. Winston just has to work on holding onto the ball when getting sacked, it’s not a big issue since he has shown from the drop in INTs that he can work on something and improve. Also remember the guy has played year-round football for only 2 years – so some of those little things like ball security in the pocket, it can certainly improve.
December 27th, 2017 at 6:04 pm
Bucsfan
That was your best post ever. I couldn’t agree with you more especially the mere mortals part. I was worried about you before but I’m glad you are finally seeing the light.
December 27th, 2017 at 6:11 pm
I remember the day I became a believer in Jameis Winston.
I was at a friends house who is a gay-duh fan.
He was playing the Florida gay-duhs and had throw 5 intercepts they were down by 21 points or something.
The guy is talking all this crap cuz his team is winning and I remember saying -man it’s only the 3rd qrt he’ll come back. Sure enough Jameis won that game. 5 Ints and all. 21 points down and all.
But the game probably came down to a goal line stand and the Seminole were able to stop them from scoring. I’ll introduce and explain that concept to you some other time.
December 27th, 2017 at 6:12 pm
Btw don’t quote me on those numbers. Lol