The Morning After
December 25th, 2017
Lump of coal the freaking Bucs defense gave us yesterday!
1. So the Bucs have a new franchise record thanks to The Franchise. America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, threw for 367 yards yesterday. That’s his fifth 300-yard game this season, which sets a single-season franchise record. If Jameis can throw for 159 yards at home against the Saints, he will move into No. 3 all-time for yards thrown in his first three seasons, ahead of Dan Marino and behind Andrew Luck and Peyton Manning. The haters don’t want to read this, and if you are an avowed hater you may want to jump to the next item, but the Bucs are not, should not and better not be in any market for a starting quarterback. They have one. He’s the franchise. Just cut down on the fumbles and Jameis is putting up special numbers since he returned to the lineup.
2. Joe thinks it is a good thing it got heated in the Bucs locker room yesterday after the game. It’s about time the guys who give a damn about winning start calling out the cons. Should have happened a long time ago. You can trust Joe that the powers that be at One Buc Palace know who was being called out. And the ones who were cool with the loss ought to be run out now, why wait until after the season? Time to get rid of the dead weight dragging this team down.
3. Joe was just sick to his stomach last night and it wasn’t because he wasn’t drinking anything stronger than Coke Zero. Joe just absolutely, positively knew after Patrick Murray missed that field goal that would have given the Bucs a touchdown lead the Stinking Panthers were going to march down the field and win the game. And that’s exactly what happened. That’s how bad Mike Smith’s defense is. Just gutless (except for Swaggy Baker, who is heartless). Joe last week heard Hall of Fame general manager Bill Polian talk about how important an edge rush is. He said if a team cannot put pressure on a quarterback, it is virtually impossible to close out a game in the fourth quarter. Boy, oh boy, if Joe didn’t know better, he’d swear Polian was talking about the Bucs. How many games has this defense choked away in the fourth quarter this year? It’s insane! It pains Joe to type this because Mike Smith is such a class act and good man, but Joe hopes Smith has already begun packing up his office to save time next week. Has to be a really s(p)itty Christmas for him and his family.
4. And this Swaggy Baker, Joe has had it with the guy. Unlike Doug Martin who Joe really likes on a professional level (Martin has always been gracious with Joe, even thanked Joe for interviewing him last Friday), Joe has zero personal connection to Swaggy. He seems to keep a distance from what Joe seen and has heard. That’s not to say he’s a bad teammate, just unreliable. Joe was spooked when, last spring at the NFL owner’s meetings in Arizona, JoeBucFan.com columnist Ira Kaufman was told by a high-ranking Redskins official that Swaggy didn’t like to practice. That was a bad sign. And it was so true. Hell, Joe saw Swaggy put more effort into dry-humping a palm tree on “Hard Knocks” than anything Joe has seen the guy do on the field. A true half-sack if there ever was one. And to think if you take away Swaggy’s $6 million contract this season and Doug Martin’s $7 million this season, that was easily enough to afford a run at Calais Campbell. Pardon Joe while he goes to punch his refrigerator door.
5. Joe doesn’t like to criticize play calls because, as Joe noted, Joe doesn’t see what Koetter and his assistants see with the defense, what they are running or, more importantly, what they may not be covering. But running the ball so much with Peyton Barber and Martin up the gut was just dumb. The Bucs have receivers that will fight for the ball. You know, Mike Evans and Chris Godwin and Cam Brate. Joe was blown away by how many touchdowns were thrown away. It seems Koetter is thinking the same thing as he criticized himself for bad plays in the red zone. Man, as hot as Jameis was, there was no need to take the ball out of his hands.
6. Joe is getting a lot of folks Twittering him about two guys wearing Stinking Panthers gear behind Dirk Koetter yesterday. They appear to be signaling something after Koetter calls a play. The insinuation is they are hearing Koetter and signaling the play to someone. Couple of things here, if these two guys were doing that, they got their signals crossed. The Bucs, specifically Jameis, were moving the ball up and down the field on Carolina. It wasn’t until late that the defense vomited. Again. Koetter wasn’t calling defensive plays. The other element here is that’s pretty damn ballsy to be standing behind Koetter and signaling in plays while wearing Stinking Panthers gear. That’s beyond brazen — if one is to assume those two guys heard exactly what Koetter was calling. So Joe isn’t putting a whole lot of stock in the video. Who knows what those guys were doing? Maybe they wanted someone to bring them a beer at halftime?
Bonus: Joe has to apologize to Jenna Laine of ESPN. Ira and Joe had a back-and-forth on Twitter yesterday about how the four-letter has yet to ask Chucky specifically about the rumors linking him to the Bucs. These rumors are madly swirling all over the place Dirk Koetter is a dead-man walking and Chucky is allegedly already talking to potential assistants to join him with the Bucs. This has gotten under both Joe’s skin as well as Ira’s. Who knows if the rumors are true but the amount of the rumors is so thick and being picked up by reliable journalists that it makes Joe fairly convinced something is going on behind the scenes (that doesn’t mean Chucky will coach the Bucs. Yet.). Joe referred to the folks at the four-letter on Twitter as “frauds” for not asking Chucky about these rumors Monday night. This really ticked off Jenna. Joe can’t blame her. In no way was Joe even remotely referring to her. She never crossed Joe’s mind as Joe was referring to the national NFL typists there. Jenna is anything but a fraud. Joe knows of no one who covers the Bucs that works harder than Jenna. She’s got tremendous sources. If anyone was reading the exchange between Joe and Ira on Twitter and thought Joe was referring to Jenna, please know that Joe had zero intention of including her into the Bristol group for ignoring the elephant in the room that is in the four-letter’s own house: all of these Chucky rumors.
December 25th, 2017 at 8:18 am
The swaggy kicker episode in camp really pissed me off back then. Now i can see it was a much bigger issue, one that shows dirk has no hold on his team. I used to not like jenna laine. But as the years gone on I can tell from her work she really does put in the work. Im a fan. And the more i think about dirks elemantary clock management miscue before halftime yesterday the more Im wanting him out today. Well ive wanted him out since arz, but thought he did a good job yesterday. Until i remember that mess before the half. They give you a fresh set of downs but you just let 45 seconds run off for no reason, with a timeout in your pocket. That was a 4 point swing. Cost the game. He has had plenty this year. If dirk knew basic head coaching responsibilities theyd have 4 more wins. Although i dont want 8-8 with him coming back. Goodness I cant wait until he is gone. Merry Christmas Joes. Great stuff
December 25th, 2017 at 8:19 am
Joe what’s this about Winston pushing someone on the bucs sideline? Also do you have any more details on who was being called out in the locker room? Did it actually get physical? Or just yelling?
Fyi thanks for hanging away on your keyboard Christmas morning. Much respect you always keep my inner bucs news monster well fed! Even through the holidays. Kudos to you Joe’s! I don’t always agree but I damn sure respect the work you put in
December 25th, 2017 at 8:32 am
Koetter is a good coach
I guess everyone forgot about last season, right?
Losing so many games brings out so many other hidden issues….like personnel….
So let’s list them:
– Jameis *mentally does not have what it takes to be a franchise QB..
December 25th, 2017 at 8:35 am
I didn’t notice it. Did the Panther guys behind Koetter often drop their pants and take a dump on the sidelines? If not, they didn’t over hear any play calls.
It seems fraudulent of Joe to constantly criticize “B”SPN, yet have zero qualms with posting ESPN content links to his website.
December 25th, 2017 at 8:39 am
Last year 9-7 record was caused from mike smith and his defense ( and he was paid well for that)
Last 2 years offense is putrid and koetter will be fired because of that
December 25th, 2017 at 8:40 am
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The Morning AfterDecember 25th, 2017
Lump of coal the freaking Bucs defense gave us yesterday!
1. So the Bucs have a new franchise record thanks to The Franchise. America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, threw for 367 yards yesterday. That’s his fifth 300-yard game this season, which sets a single-season franchise record. If Jameis can throw for 159 yards at home against the Saints, he will move into No. 3 all-time for yards thrown in his first three seasons, ahead of Dan Marino and behind Andrew Luck and Peyton Manning. The haters don’t want to read this, and if you are an avowed hater you may want to jump to the next item, but the Bucs are not, should not and better not be in any market for a starting quarterback. They have one. He’s the franchise. Just cut down on the fumbles and Jameis is putting up special numbers since he returned to the lineup.
2. Joe thinks it is a good thing it got heated in the Bucs locker room yesterday after the game. It’s about time the guys who give a damn about winning start calling out the cons. Should have happened a long time ago. You can trust Joe that the powers that be at One Buc Palace know who was being called out. And the ones who were cool with the loss ought to be run out now, why wait until after the season? Time to get rid of the dead weight dragging this team down.
3. Joe was just sick to his stomach last night and it wasn’t because he wasn’t drinking anything stronger than Coke Zero. Joe just absolutely, positively knew after Patrick Murray missed that field goal that would have given the Bucs a touchdown lead the Stinking Panthers were going to march down the field and win the game. And that’s exactly what happened. That’s how bad Mike Smith’s defense is. Just gutless (except for Swaggy Baker, who is heartless). Joe last week heard Hall of Fame general manager Bill Polian talk about how important an edge rush is. He said if a team cannot put pressure on a quarterback, it is virtually impossible to close out a game in the fourth quarter. Boy, oh boy, if Joe didn’t know better, he’d swear Polian was talking about the Bucs. How many games has this defense choked away in the fourth quarter this year? It’s insane! It pains Joe to type this because Mike Smith is such a class act and good man, but Joe hopes Smith has already begun packing up his office to save time next week. Has to be a really s(p)itty Christmas for him and his family.
4. And this Swaggy Baker, Joe has had it with the guy. Unlike Doug Martin who Joe really likes on a professional level (Martin has always been gracious with Joe, even thanked Joe for interviewing him last Friday), Joe has zero personal connection to Swaggy. He seems to keep a distance from what Joe seen and has heard. That’s not to say he’s a bad teammate, just unreliable. Joe was spooked when, last spring at the NFL owner’s meetings in Arizona, JoeBucFan.com columnist Ira Kaufman was told by a high-ranking Redskins official that Swaggy didn’t like to practice. That was a bad sign. And it was so true. Hell, Joe saw Swaggy put more effort into dry-humping a palm tree on “Hard Knocks” than anything Joe has seen the guy do on the field. A true half-sack if there ever was one. And to think if you take away Swaggy’s $6 million contract this season and Doug Martin’s $7 million this season, that was easily enough to afford a run at Calais Campbell. Pardon Joe while he goes to punch his refrigerator door.
5. Joe doesn’t like to criticize play calls because, as Joe has pointed out, Joe doesn’t see what Koetter and his assistants see with the defense, what they are running or more importantly, what they may not be covering. But running the ball so much with Peyton Barber and Martin up the gut was just dumb. The Bucs have receivers that will fight for the ball. You know, Mike Evans and Chris Godwin and Cam Brate. Just was just blown away by how many touchdowns were thrown away. It seems Koetter is thinking the same thing as he criticized himself for bad plays in the red zone. Man, as hot as Jameis was, there was no need to take the ball out of his hands.
6. Joe is getting a lot of folks Twittering him about two guys wearing Stinking Panthers gear behind Dirk Koetter who appear to be signaling something after Koetter calls a play. The insinuation is they are hearing Koetter and signaling the play to someone. Couple of things here, if these two guys were doing that, they got their signals crossed. The Bucs, specifically Jameis, were moving the ball up and down the field on Carolina. It wasn’t until late that the defense vomited. Again. Koetter wasn’t calling defensive plays. The other element here is, that’s pretty damn ballsy to be standing behind Koetter and signaling in plays while wearing Stinking Panthers gear. That’s beyond brazen. That is, if one is to assume those two guys heard exactly what Koetter was calling. So Joe isn’t putting a whole lot of stock in the video. Who knows what those guys were doing? Maybe they wanted someone to bring them a beer at halftime?
Bonus: Joe has to apologize to Jenna Laine of ESPN. Ira and Joe had a back-and-forth on Twitter yesterday about how the four-letter has yet to ask Chucky specifically about the rumors linking him to the Bucs. These rumors are madly swirling all over the place Dirk Koetter is a dead-man walking and Chucky is allegedly already talking to potential assistants to join him with the Bucs. This has gotten under both Joe’s skin as well as Ira’s. Who knows if the rumors are true but the amount of the rumors is so thick and being picked up by reliable journalists that it makes Joe fairly convinced something is going on behind the scenes (that doesn’t mean Chucky will coach the Bucs. Yet.). Joe referred to the folks at the four-letter on Twitter as “frauds” for not asking Chucky about these rumors Monday night. This really ticked off Jenna. Joe can’t blame her. In no way was Joe even remotely referring to her. She never crossed Joe’s mind as Joe was referring to the national NFL typists there. Jenna is anything but a fraud. Joe knows of no one who covers the Bucs that works harder than Jenna. She’s got tremendous sources. It is common for Jenna to be the last one out of the stadium after games hours after the final whistle sounds. Often Fred Goodall of the Associated Press is the second-last one but he hangs out to walk Jenna to her car – as Joe has with Jenna on road games. Never know what kind of drunken freaks are still in the stadium parking lots. For example, last Monday night Joe left the Den of Depression at about 3:15 or 3:30 a.m. Sure enough; Jenna was still there clicking away on her laptop. If anyone was reading the exchange between Joe and Ira on Twitter and thought Joe was referring to Jenna, please know that Joe had zero intention of including her into the Bristol group for ignoring the elephant in the room that is in the four-letter’s own house: All of these Chucky rumors.
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3 Responses to “The Morning After”darin Says:
December 25th, 2017 at 8:18 am
The swaggy kicker episode in camp really pissed me off back then. Now i can see it was a much bigger issue, one that shows dirk has no hold on his team. I used to not like jenna laine. But as the years gone on I can tell from her work she really does put in the work. Im a fan. And the more i think about dirks elemantary clock management miscue before halftime yesterday the more Im wanting him out today. Well ive wanted him out since arz, but thought he did a good job yesterday. Until i remember that mess before the half. They give you a fresh set of downs but you just let 45 seconds run off for no reason, with a timeout in your pocket. That was a 4 point swing. Cost the game. He has had plenty this year. If dirk knew basic head coaching responsibilities theyd have 4 more wins. Although i dont want 8-8 with him coming back. Goodness I cant wait until he is gone. Merry Christmas Joes. Great stuff
Erc2706 Says:
December 25th, 2017 at 8:19 am
Joe what’s this about Winston pushing someone on the bucs sideline? Also do you have any more details on who was being called out in the locker room? Did it actually get physical? Or just yelling?
Fyi thanks for hanging away on your keyboard Christmas morning. Much respect you always keep my inner bucs news monster well fed! Even through the holidays. Kudos to you Joe’s! I don’t always agree but I damn sure respect the work you put in
TheBucsAnthem Says:
December 25th, 2017 at 8:32 am
Koetter is a good coach
I guess everyone forgot about last season, right?
Losing so many games brings out so many other hidden issues….like personnel….
So let’s list them:
– Jameis *mentally does not have what it takes to be a franchise QB..
– Fatty Baker he was a POS from camp and preseason it’s been that way all year
– Djax…..not a team player, cannot create seperation…not a good fit for Koetter offense
– mike evans immaturity…..bordering on the stupidity of Jameis almost
– Mike Smith cannot execute any effective defense for some reason
– Vernon “Marshmallow” Graves is a bust!
– Undisciplined players
—————–
Major changes must be made this offseason because the core of what is making this team run right now isn’t working.
BUT!
BUT!
You can tell this team hasn’t quite on Koetter……and that’s a sign of a good coach and leader.
December 25th, 2017 at 8:42 am
Koetter is a good coach
I guess everyone forgot about last season, right?
Losing so many games brings out so many other hidden issues….like personnel….
So let’s list them:
– Jameis *mentally does not have what it takes to be a franchise QB..
– Fatty Baker he was a POS from camp and preseason it’s been that way all year
– Djax…..not a team player, cannot create seperation…not a good fit for Koetter offense
– mike evans immaturity…..bordering on the stupidity of Jameis almost
– Mike Smith cannot execute any effective defense for some reason
– Vernon “Marshmallow” Graves is a bust!
– Undisciplined players
—————–
Major changes must be made this offseason because the core of what is making this team run right now isn’t working.
BUT!
BUT!
You can tell this team hasn’t quite on Koetter……and that’s a sign of a good coach and leader.
December 25th, 2017 at 8:43 am
Sorry bout the duplicate posts
December 25th, 2017 at 8:48 am
Darin… true.. I wondered why Koetter would let Faker pull all those antics in training camp with the kickers….said I thought it was a bad thing after he did that. And I’ve never seen him defend a player on a bad official call. The guys can’t possibly think the Coach has their back. And he lets some deadbeats get away with garbage on the field. I think he is a great guy, but not HC material. And Anthem… since the D was the main factor for much of last years end of season comeback attempt, are you still saying Smith is a good coach? And if you think Jameis is a bigger problem than the coaching, you need a retread.
December 25th, 2017 at 8:48 am
Geez Joe- I couldn’t be happier for Winston. Maybe he could set his sights higher and ONLY win two games and set the NFL record for yards and TO’s. Oh wait, he has only won two games. when will the people on this site including the Joes’ wake up and realize that you CAN NOT turn the ball over in the NFL and win. 3 more fumbles yesterday for Winston. Forget the defense, they played well enough for us to win. It should have never come down to that final drive. Winston cost us at least 6 if not 9 points. Keep promoting him Joes and we are destined for 4-6 win seasons. In spite of our differences on America’s Turn Over Machine, I wish you both a Merry Christmas!!!
December 25th, 2017 at 8:49 am
Lol
Players play for each other and themselves
There is absolutely no respect for koetter from the players
He is a hissy fitter
December 25th, 2017 at 8:51 am
Alot of koetter relatives in this website
From idaho?
December 25th, 2017 at 8:51 am
Eric…just another example of what I’ve been telling you guys. A good coach, or good manager, runs interference for his guys when some outside entity does something to hurt the team or the players. Koetter doesn’t do that, so the players think it is necessary to take things in their own hands. It is simple management 101. Then if the player or worker is out of line, you deal with them in house. THAT is how it should happen. It is simple management 101.
December 25th, 2017 at 8:52 am
First of all Joe’s
Jenna laine would whoop ya arses. Have you seen old picks when she was doing fitness competitions.
Also , I have to admit. I have not been on the Jameis messiah train. However , if he plays like the last 2 games (good Jameis defeating bad Jameis ) , then I am all in on him. Still won’t call him americas quarteback. He needs to cut down the turnovers and get six in the red zone but last 2 games , he made throws like a #1 pick. You see that next level talent
All fans should want him to succeed cause otherwise , bucs are set back another 5 years.
I am a koetter fan but they are Losing the close games which is on him too. The losing mentality is in that locker room. Can’t close games. Gruden will get that winning mentality back.
Gruden is salivating with that offensive talent. And I think he will want to keep desean Jackson cause he had that in Galloway.
December 25th, 2017 at 8:54 am
You can tell this team hasn’t quite on Koetter……and that’s a sign of a good coach and leader.
Not sure what planet your on but imo players play for each other, their families and their personal careers that list of problems your talking about is nothing but opinions that’s not the reason they lose. Dirk is trash and he should be fired. Yeah he was such a leader on the sideline if that saints game right? A leader wouldn’t let Winston go ham on the sideline like that yes it was embarrassing but I understood. Game management was another reason they lose, Captain kick a field goal admitted he was horrible in the redzone. 130.1 passing eating doesn’t scream headcase especially if you do that against Panthers defense. Dirk is gone so accept it
December 25th, 2017 at 8:55 am
But JOE did we win the battle of got the most first downs?? Isn’t that important??
December 25th, 2017 at 8:56 am
@ Bird
Gruden is the worst mistake the Glazers would make…..you’re delusional if you think he’s some kinda savior.
December 25th, 2017 at 8:58 am
Jameis play was pretty good the last two weeks,but turnovers are lost
opportunities for us and Christmas presents for the opposing offense.Overall
his play has been much better the last two weeks and he has given sceptical fans a glimpse of what he can become. In hindsight I have to admit the injury affected his play a lot more than I realized.
Overall the depleted defense also played pretty well and held Carolina to 15 points. No question GMC’s return was a part of it.Anybody that thinks otherwise
is delusional or just plain jealous of what he has accomplished or the salary the Bucs have paid him. Both he and Clinton Macdonald have had to play next to
Baker and therein lies the problem. Appears like Swaggy needs somebody to slow
the runner down so he can get in on the play. Jason Licht wildly overestimated his work ethic and and ability to to help this team.
December 25th, 2017 at 8:58 am
As I said earlier. the SF 49errs will be the cream of the crop in 4 years.
Why? They have someone at the head that understands football. The sad part is he is one of our own. John Lynch.
We, however, will continue to spiral downward. We have delusions that we have a great QB who can take us to the next level. We do not understand, nor have the intestinal fortitude, to do what it takes to rebuild.
You can talk all you want about the records that JW may have and I say, you drive for show and you putt for dough.
Get rid of those players that will fetch high draft picks and build your self a tough D, one that is feared. Then, re-tool the O line. Next a running back and last groom a QB that can last.
Too many headcases on this team for it to ever work.
December 25th, 2017 at 9:05 am
I live in Maryland and I was showing some of my friends some of the posts from JoeBucsFan. They are Redskins and Ravens fans. The could not believe how many Bucs fans believe that Jameis is not a good QB. They said they would take him right now over the QB’s they have. Especially the Redskins because they said the last time we didn’t appreciate a QB and they got him they won the Super Bowl that year, so they and other teams are waiting for us to do something stupid.
December 25th, 2017 at 9:05 am
Jameis was the problem earlier in the season. Yes. Jameis should have been sitting because his shoulder affected his passes. If he had rested earlier then maybe we would have not tanked. I blame Koetter for that. Now that Jameis is healthy he is playing up to his capabilities. He has to fix turnovers no matter whether they are interceptions, fumbles or apple.
December 25th, 2017 at 9:06 am
And, The Bucs Anthem is correct. Gruden likes to bring in mature players. If you look at the core of players he had for the super bowl run you see Dungey’s name all over it. What happened next. They were all traded and or left and we started our downhill decline. The Glazers would be better off just to write Chucky a check for ten million and wave the 3 rears of despair that will follow a hiring of JG, This game is not that difficult to understand. It takes time and patience to do it right, something the Glazers nor the fans have the stomach for.
December 25th, 2017 at 9:08 am
not there… it isn’t necessarily an example of a good coach and a good leader. It is a guy that the guys like and are willing to pay hard for. And there are a number of guys on this team that have pride….love football and hate losing…and that is great. But when the guys have to take it upon themselves to kick rear because the coach hasn’t taken care of it, that isn’t a good coach. You want positive leadership in the locker, and the occasional team meeting if they players feel it is necessary. But Koetter might be a good position coach or OC, but he isn’t a good HC. I wish he was…I like the guy. But it is what it is.
December 25th, 2017 at 9:09 am
Bucs anthem
i am entitled to my opinion. “I am delusional” Read my post. I am koetter fan. But he is dead man walking. Not a Jameis ball gargerler but he has played well recently. And gruden gets best out of qbs. Gruden would have most talent than he ever had by a mile. He could put points on board with gradkowski and Simms. He will no question be coach so you will see here real soon
Someone just needs to have a GM with power who picks players cause gruden was terrible with that
Hope you eat crow soon. Or maybe I can send you a big turd of mine
December 25th, 2017 at 9:10 am
Good synopsis, Joe. Jamies did indeed shove a fella in a blazer…could have been a Buc security guy, thought maybe even Shelton Quarles but couldn’t tell for sure. I gotta be honest…Jamies has his faults and a dubious track record as a teenager mostly…but he’s shown a lot these last two weeks. He’s no doubt tired if the candy arses and agnostic check cashers. I like his fire. A lot. He’ll come back stong next season…
December 25th, 2017 at 9:11 am
pass… he likes mature players. Do you blame him? But he also likes young guys that play hard and play well. He sure had plenty of love for Caddy. And when you have no 1st or 2nd round picks for some years, you better like older vets, because you often aren’t going to draft the younger and most talented young guys.
December 25th, 2017 at 9:12 am
Jameis should have gone to the coach and the coach should have reamed the Officials backside. You guys don’t see what is going on?
December 25th, 2017 at 9:13 am
@ Bird
You’re such a classy guy….great post!
December 25th, 2017 at 9:15 am
Lakeland Says:
December 24th, 2017 at 6:44 pm
Tomorrow we will be reading about all of the Bucs passing yards. All of the team passing records falling. But we will never hear about the lack of scoring TDs. You’re not going to beat these team with FGs, these teams are too good. This is not an individual problem, this is a team problem.
So predictable
December 25th, 2017 at 9:15 am
You guys make me laugh… don’t you think the coach would have been on top of that play, pleading Jameis case with the Officials? That was an obvious scream to you all that the coach doesn’t have control of this team…that he is the guy to go to…to make these things right…or at least let the official have an earful. Have any of you ever been a manager or a coach? Apparently not.
December 25th, 2017 at 9:16 am
Is it about yards or TDs? I’m confused! How many TDs did he have yesterday? Am I missing something?
And if JW is that great franchise player, who’s Jimmy G? the messiah? Moving from the bench to a new, bad team and he’s 4-0. If Winston’s 0-4 streak is so great who’s Jimmy G??
JW plates well when the game is a mess. he is an escape artist, he got guts, he’s a gun slinger. Saying he should clean up his fumbles and ints is a joke. Its a package. It goes together. The same 50/50 balls you cheer on are the same balls that get intercepted or fumbled when he fails to escape. These are two sides of the same coin.
Q: Is this the offense we want? erratic, back foot throws, throws on the move, 50/50 balls to covered players, etc. ? Is this a winning offensive style? did it get us anywhere?
December 25th, 2017 at 9:22 am
Brady has thrown tons of hissy fits. Big argument with his OC on sidelines before.
Winston didn’t invent it. At least all this losing bothers him, unlike some others.
December 25th, 2017 at 9:24 am
It’s not that I hate JW or anything I just found out latley that I get negetive twards a buc when someone like Joe or other fans tell me that I don’t know what I’m seeing.
December 25th, 2017 at 9:24 am
Isr…you can’t blame Winston for “all the fumbles”… Those things are a combination often of bad play calls, bad blocking, and some technique issues that can be corrected. Again… it comes back to inferior line blocking, and coaching issues, that put him into those positions. Favre was a similar “gun slingers” and that among the reasons the Packers were able to trade for him, in addition to some other problems he had. I think Jameis can be a good enough QB to get us anywhere we want to go. But the line and coaching staff must be improved as well.
December 25th, 2017 at 9:24 am
ISR- well said
December 25th, 2017 at 9:26 am
Eric…difference between having a hissy fit with your coaches. That is going to the people you should go to. But to run out onto the field, out of control? That isn’t acceptable, and Jameis has to believe the coaches will fight for him and that it is their job to do so….not his.
December 25th, 2017 at 9:27 am
Mark- sorry to inject soem facts but eh O-line has been protecting Winston well until the last 3 games.Your excuse doesn’t cut it because JW has been a TO machine ever since he entered the NFL, what is he it now, 57 TO in 44 games?
December 25th, 2017 at 9:29 am
ISR- again well said. The Joe’s and some on this site are trying to sell us a bill of goods on the Messiah. They cannot admit they got it wrong.
December 25th, 2017 at 9:33 am
Nut…I said it was three things…yet you only mention one of the three. And Jameis was getting killed on those deep drops and constantly under pressure yesterday on them. So it is also a combination on coaching and technique…just want I said….just to interject all the facts. As I said during the game yesterday…where were the screens?
December 25th, 2017 at 9:42 am
…the Bucs not in the market for a starting QB? Has Jameis revealed who the 3rd player was, in the Uber car? Seems like an easily resolved issue. Then there is the matter of a multi-week (5-6) suspension for ‘Merica’s Immature QB. If he faces criminal charges, the Bucs are moving-on. We may very well need 2 QBs!
December 25th, 2017 at 9:44 am
I really want Gruden to be the next coach, but I want Jay not Jon
December 25th, 2017 at 9:54 am
Like I’ve said reperatedly. I have not seen that Defensive fire from our Bucs this year. Its hard to get fired up when your so called fierce leader sits way up top in a press box viewing you getting slaughtered thru binoculars. This team WILL NOT…Win until we get some fire under this Defense. And Koettershould have just stayed in his lane as an OC. As a HC, he kust cannot control everything. HE might get one more shot but is gotta be better than 8-8 for him to survive. And if he keeps Smitty, we will not survive. Why prolong this agony. Set this coaching staff to walk the Buc plank off into the seas
December 25th, 2017 at 10:12 am
Panthers didn’t need Santa Claus, they had Weeki Wachee’s QB giving them gifts all game long.
December 25th, 2017 at 10:15 am
Winston needs to be blamed for six red zone trips and only one TD but it’s scapegoats at its finest if you don’t realize there is plenty of blame to go around.
-Two of those red zone trips ended in sacks. Our offensive line didn’t do its job all day long and Winston was under constant pressure. In fact Winston made something out of nothing many times yesterday during the fire drill plays……..to be fair he also fumbled twice on those plays. I do blame him for the fumbles but with as much pressure as he faced it’s not surprised it led to mistakes.
-Dirks game plan was horrific IMO. There needs to be mixup with his off3nse when playing top tier pass rushing plays……Too many long developing routes just lets the Panthers tee off on us all day. It’s was the same as last time vs the same exact front four, why are we completely unable to adjust? One of these long developing play led directly to the first red zone sack and FG………Also, as Joe mentioned. Why are we running right into the teeth of their defense from inside the 5? Our short yardage rushing is one of the worst parts of this team and their runstop is top notch. Why the eff did this coach think runnin* plays would work with their defense playing a short field? What a stupid call!!……..The first down run on the series before the half was fine because it kills the clock giving You last possession. Of course Dirk screwed that easy call up with no progressive thinking and saving no clock for his own team. Absolute coach botchery, what else is new?
-Mike Evans got owned in the end zone and deverses some critics as well………..He got purely dominated on the fade call and showed no ability to gain separation on the PI play. Not saying he doesn’t have the ability, he just got owned yesterday…….And yes it’s nitpicking to give Godwin too much blame because that missle of a pass was a very difficult catch but it did hit him in two hands and though it was a bit off the mark I would still like to see him catch a ball that goes off his hands.
Winston has to get better. And same can be said for many others on this team. A QB is only as good as his supporting cast. Winston is not getting enough support….Last week it was a fumble, critical third down drops and missed FG.
December 25th, 2017 at 10:20 am
Anyone that ever says Gruden won with Dungy’s team is a casual fan. period
December 25th, 2017 at 10:28 am
Amazing that it took Koetter 2.5 years to realize that Jameis is a short passing game QB. Throw short, safe passes to your guys and let them run and build up those passing yards stats. He doesn’t overthrow into pics that way.
December 25th, 2017 at 10:34 am
DID JAMEis reinjure his shoulder throwing a temper tantrum?
December 25th, 2017 at 10:36 am
Also, the Bucs knew that Baker was a lazy, low effort player when they signed him, so what’s the surprise?
December 25th, 2017 at 11:10 am
Kudos Joe. Yet another ‘Morning After’ piece that just amounts to more blah, blah, blah while dancing all around the MAIN problem with the Bucs (although I will admit that the ‘Bonus’ piece was a nice touch, i.e., apology to Jenna for NOT doing her job … to my knowledge, she didn’t ask either).
Another year wasted in Bucsville. Keep hearing about ALL of the talent we have. BS … True talent WINS. Shooting for the #4 pick in the draft is for losers … WINNERS shoot for the #32 pick in the draft.
Far too many continue to blame Smitty the Scapegoat for this year’s P-Poor record, but if a certain (unnamed) GM had done his job this team would be 10-5 or 9-6 right now instead of 4-11 and we’d be fighting for a playoff spot. Instead, we’re at least 2 years away (probably more) from even smelling the playoffs. Unless we can go 4-2 in our division and probably 6-4 or better outside our division we won’t even be in the discussion. Panthers, Saints & Falcons are all solid T-E-A-M-S and should be for several more years at least. Licht & the Glazer Boys don’t have the vision to get us where we need to go to be competitive.
December 25th, 2017 at 11:13 am
There’s 3 guarantees in life:
Death
Taxes
And the Bucs will Suck
December 25th, 2017 at 11:28 am
Amen.
December 25th, 2017 at 11:29 am
Pretty much.
December 25th, 2017 at 11:30 am
IsrBuc:
Did you hear Ira give you a shout out last week on his pod?
December 25th, 2017 at 11:51 am
UMMMM…..@ thebucsanthem
Koetter is a good coach
I guess everyone forgot about last season, right? ummm
NEGATIVE
this is worse than TRUMPS fake news LOL>>>go back and look at the key elements of last season…..
1) the defense was #1 on 3rd down ….meaning they gave the ball back to the offense and changed field position CONSTANTLY
2) look at how many games the DEFENSE held teams under 20 points and multiple single digit games….how many ??? 8!!!!! 8 games…..that’s basically your 9 wins
3) ALL the credit you give Koetter for that 9-7 season the offense HAS AVERAGED UNDER 20 POINTS FOR 3YRS …going back to OC w/ lovie
and we all know lovie didn’t even breathe on koetter to control the offense
4) yes this year the D is very bad but the offense overall has stunk waaayyy
longer
you fans need to watch an offense win it for the defense like Atlanta did for them last week despite Atlantas sorry D
but when you cant score over 20 for 3years that wont happen
December 25th, 2017 at 12:03 pm
Merry Christmas everyone.
The Bucs defense gave up 15 points yesterday, you can’t just blame them all the time. The special teams td was a huge part of that game and this offense needs to be averaging more td’s in the red zone and that was a major reason we lost yesterday. Our offense hasn’t carried this team all year with a big game (including Fitz in Arizona).
I am happy Winston has played better the last few games, but yet another loss. I am not happy about him shoving Quarles and getting national bad pub yet again this year, he doesn’t need anymore. Lots of qb’s have snapped but the names people are dropping have won big games and Super Bowls. I do not recall Brady shoving a coach before? Thankfully Quarles is athletic, Evans reaction was cmon man! It was good to see Winston go and speak with the official afterwards and shake his hand, he’s obviously frustrated.
December 25th, 2017 at 12:08 pm
I heard the main source of the Gruden rumors is the Team Owners office.If this true then the Owners were done with Koetter at mid-season!
December 25th, 2017 at 1:07 pm
Jason lichts agent is the same as jon gruden s
Eom
December 25th, 2017 at 1:18 pm
The team lack of discipline started in training camp when the coaches allowed players to clown it up in front of HK cameras…DURING practices.
Baker is a symptom, not the cause, of a greater problem.
One difference between 2016 & 2017 is in 2016 Robert Ayers took it upon himself to harshly criticize sloth, laziness, attitude and passion in his teammates. Did any step up to do anything similar in 2017?
This team was soft from the first preseason game to the latest Kitty loss. Nothing changed, and most fans—myself included—were too optimistic to see the warning signs. In fact, most JBF fans mocked the handful of others that predicted this trainwreck.
December 25th, 2017 at 1:23 pm
Did anyone think the Kitties looked like they had their A Game Intensity Meter set on 11?
The Glazers will dump this coaching staff because they cannot afford not to. Last season ended on an uptick that carried over to the draft, Free Agency and season ticket sales. Between the protests dragging attendance and TV eyeballs down across the league—including Tampa, a military town—and the Bucs miserable, no-hope-on-the-horizon season ending with little hope for the future, they will have to do something big to bring fan interest and optimism back.
December 25th, 2017 at 1:53 pm
when will the people on this site including the Joes’ wake up and realize that you CAN NOT turn the ball over in the NFL and win. 3 more fumbles yesterday for Winston.
when you realize you cannot have your qb getting sacked 5-6 times every game
December 25th, 2017 at 1:57 pm
Between the protests dragging attendance and TV eyeballs down across the league—including Tampa, a military town
you know how many black folks boycotting because of kap. the kneeling is about the cops, dragging military in it is a copout.when the army had 40% black folks in at the end of the Vietnam era and thru the late 70’s nobody gave a hoot about the soldiers.
December 25th, 2017 at 2:07 pm
@Joe I did! But everything you told him about me and what i said was dead wrong! Including the fact i came for the lions game and not the giants but doesnt matter. Love ira and the poadcast. Got excited listening about that guy in tel aviv.
It was my first time ever in tampa, being a bucs fan for 18 years. The seed was planted in varanassi, india, out of all places.
December 25th, 2017 at 2:22 pm
I’m sure Gruden is relishing the thought of winning with Koetter’s losing team. Everyone who hates Gruden loves to throw the tag line out, he won with Dungy’s team. Just ignore the fact Dungy couldn’t even get us to a super bowl with his own team. Jameis will be a pro bowl Q.B. for years to come under Gruden, get ready to eat some crow haters.
December 25th, 2017 at 2:36 pm
Mike Evans fell down on one should’ve been touchdown and was called for PI which wasn’t PI and Godwin dropped one right in his hands. I don’t really get criticizing the running game when your receivers literally left two tds on the field
December 25th, 2017 at 3:13 pm
Hodad…the pro bowl for years predicted? Jameis does have the talent and JG should be able to help him take that next step. Agree the potential is there. But anything can happen in this league. I hope you are right, for that will mean great things for our Bucs.
December 25th, 2017 at 3:30 pm
Tell Realist it looks like they coached too much Lovie out of them. Lol We have a head coach that needs to be coached.
December 25th, 2017 at 4:33 pm
Q. Coach how do you feel about the team’s execution?
A. I’m in favor of it. (John McKay)
Sound familiar? Too many avoidable mistakes to overcome. They’re beating themselves. Only the players can change that.
December 25th, 2017 at 6:56 pm
I would not mind one bit to see EVANS hit Cam Newton like he did that one player after the whistle.
Guy sucks all game makes one play and acts like he won game single handily. Selfish Cam not about team.
When losing he is pouting with his towel looking like women beater Chris brown