Jameis Hater Upset With Team Glazer
December 30th, 2017
Unnerved.
A well-documented Jameis hater is outraged with Team Glazer.
Sean Wagner-McGough of CBS Sports, who has had an ax to grind with America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, since before the Bucs drafted him, is incensed that Koetter will return to the Bucs in 2018.
Why? Because Wagner-McGough believes Jameis stinks and if Koetter was any good, Jameis would be playing well.
Under Koetter, the Buccaneers have gone 13-18. He’s failed to develop Jameis Winston into a quarterback worthy of a No. 1 overall pick, which the team used to take him back in 2015. After Winston’s rookie season, the Buccaneers fired then-coach Lovie Smith — a defensive-minded coach — and promoted Koetter from offensive coordinator to head coach. The move made sense at the time considering how much the team invested in Winston. But Koetter has yet to turn the Buccaneers into a playoff team and Winston into an elite quarterback.
The hype peaked this past offseason after the Buccaneers signed DeSean Jackson in free agency and drafted O.J. Howard. They were supposed to challenge their rivals for supremacy in the NFC South. Instead, they’ve gone 4-11. Winston hasn’t taken a substantial step forward, as turnovers and bouts of inconsistency continue to detract from his stretches of brilliant football.
Wagner-McGough also seems butt-hurt Chucky didn’t return to the Bucs as he hinted Koetter’s offense is “dreadful football.”
Dreadful, eh? Did he ever watch the Bucs offense in the post-Chucky era? Aside from a fluke season, leaky, sleepy Josh Freeman wasn’t much better or different than the other characters who have played quarterback for the Bucs since Chucky was jettisoned, which includes Byron Leftwich, Stuart McClown and Mike Glennon.
December 30th, 2017 at 10:03 am
Well he is right about nine out of ten things…but Jameis isn’t horrible now…just around average, with great potential.
December 30th, 2017 at 10:07 am
Never heard of the guy. Most of us probably haven’t.
December 30th, 2017 at 10:13 am
Probably the smart move by ownership simply to break the trend of hiring/firing so quickly but i dont think the results change. You change the defense up, you’ve got a learning curve that goes with that which puts pressure back on the offense that has consistently under-performed. New scheme, new players, communication break downs and sheer lack of talent on the d-line and secondary….Our division rivals are maintaining the status quo from a coaching perspective, we’re chasing our tail for another season. The Bucs really are damned if they do and damned if they dont.
December 30th, 2017 at 10:15 am
I feel sorry for my fellow Buc fans. I really do. We/they deserve better. We are going nowheres but average or slightly above that with Koetter and his sidekick Smitty. And its ashame. Look for ticket sales to plunge even further if the Bucs come out stinking next year. We are going nowheres with Koetter. Atlanta Owner Arthur Blanks saw that and dumped him as Offensive Coordinator and sent his Road dog DC Smitty packing also. I am not optimistic. Now watch all the hype off season.
December 30th, 2017 at 10:17 am
So Bobby…we might as well keep losing, because changing things get people hopes up for a change, when in reality, it won’t change. You might be right….but wish it weren’t so.
December 30th, 2017 at 10:18 am
Mike Johnson, I disagree with your last sentence. The one thing I’m looking forward to this offseason is NO hype! National media is officially off this gravy train!
December 30th, 2017 at 10:19 am
Mike…sounds about right. One decent draft pick, who will take years to develop, will raise everyone’s hopes and blind them to reality. Nice little game the Glazers have going, isn’t it?
December 30th, 2017 at 10:19 am
Blame Ian Rappaport…he’s the one that made everyone believe his lies.
December 30th, 2017 at 10:23 am
Eric…the “National Media” makes their money by propping up some marginal teams with “personalities” and creating interest and excitement. If they just said “Patriots” or “anyone but Cleveland, Buffalo, and the Bucs” every year, no one would buy the next years line of bull.
December 30th, 2017 at 10:23 am
Unfortunately, I have to agree with the guy. Ugh
December 30th, 2017 at 10:25 am
Too bad Jameis is ticking bomb of scum
December 30th, 2017 at 10:28 am
JW is 23. It’s his third NFL season. His numbers are in-line with Dan Marino. The kid’s still developing, but he’s on the right track. Wagner needs to look at the numbers.
December 30th, 2017 at 10:29 am
Mark, I agree with you, but I think with us it started with the local media and the National media jumped on board. No chance of that this offseason. Just imagine if we hired Gruden! This offseason would have been a circus. I think the Glazers wanted to lay low right now.
December 30th, 2017 at 10:31 am
No doubt a guy with one of those double last names and covers Cal-Berkely is incensed at the girlie shenanigans Winston has pulled in his past.
After all, PC before all, right?
Pay no attention to the mouthpiece behind the curtain…
December 30th, 2017 at 10:37 am
The problem is Eric that “laying low” means laying in the NFC south basement,
December 30th, 2017 at 10:39 am
I am happy we are keeping DK
Now the “cancers” on the team better worry, they are going to drop you this offseason.
I bet they thought TB was going to fire DK this offseason, so they said screw it. Now that they are staying, hopefully there will be some big changes.
I also really hope we keep Mike Smith. I know he had a bad year, but the year before was great. Keep working the system and JL needs to make some big moves in 2018 to help them out.
December 30th, 2017 at 10:41 am
Brain that’s because you are an clueless just like this guy. There I helped you figure it out.
December 30th, 2017 at 10:48 am
I FOR SEE THE FUTURE COMING AND I PREDICT THE BUC’S UNDER COVER THAT IS IN THE CELLAR ONCE AGAIN, IT’S LIKE THEY WHERE MENT TO BE TROLLS UNDER THE BRIDGE , OR A HOG’S ROOT OR SOMETHING OF THAT SORT, BUT NEVER GIVE UP !!! REMEMBER THE GLAZERS ARE RUNNING THE BUC’S INTO DIRT DOBBERS , I MEAN THE SHOW……. A 2018 PREDICTION , BUC’S 6 AND 10, MAYBE 7 AND 9 WITH AN EASY ROAD NEXT YEAR…….
December 30th, 2017 at 10:49 am
Guy with the hyphenated last names sounds like a wuss with the no-brains to match. Glad and hope Bucs can avoid the talking bloviating national sports radar next season. Agree with keeping DK. Smith? Dunno. Go Bucs!!
December 30th, 2017 at 11:09 am
orlbuc…what D candidate is going to want to step into the current coaching thin ice chit storm? It will be Smith, someone over the hill collecting one last paycheck, or someone you have never heard of before.
December 30th, 2017 at 11:18 am
Josh Freeman actually had more than one good season with the Bucs.
Josh Freeman was 24-35 as a Buc starter
Jameis Winston is 17-27 as a Buc starter
There’s not much difference
December 30th, 2017 at 11:31 am
great point Lakeland
at least chuckys offense made it to the playoffs and made chicken salad out of chicken spit chris simms
you people (media) don’t bring chris simms up ….if he never got that spleen injury and played through it who KNOWS how much better
people have selective amnesia round here ….yall choose what yall want to remember and forget
December 30th, 2017 at 11:31 am
Koetter’s offense is “dreadful your saying that’s not true?
For whatever reason you keep comparing Chucky offense to dirk and I think your an idiot for it. How about you count what matters, the win loss record all I know is Chucky is up there and Koetter is way down there….. Your one of those who keeps using stats to lie to you’re readers.
Why not talk about how dirk koetter can’t score points in the first half of games. Your history is well documented so every time you try to post something negative next year about koetter offense when the same thing happens again I’ll be right here ready to copy and paste all your lies
December 30th, 2017 at 11:37 am
Lakeland, there’s not that much different between there stats either.
December 30th, 2017 at 11:45 am
The guy is right…. Three years of averaging 20 points with this many weapons…. Next year should be fun….GO BUCS!!!!
December 30th, 2017 at 12:01 pm
Embracing mediocrity or worse. Sign of a true Bucs fan.
December 30th, 2017 at 1:15 pm
I didn’t think is was “hater” label worthy nor do I think it is far from the truth.
No more excuses for JW. None. It’s tiresome. Play better or get gone. That goes for everybody.
December 30th, 2017 at 1:36 pm
Anomaly,
I read an overwhelming amount of posts that claims excuses are being made on Winston’s behalf. So, I ask you, what excuses?
December 30th, 2017 at 1:44 pm
Mark, laying low means keeping out of the spotlight during the offseason. I’m guessing you meant that not hiring Gruden will keep us in the basement.
December 30th, 2017 at 2:06 pm
@ logged – He’s only 23. He’s this. He’s that. It was passion not uncontrollable immaturity. It’s the o line’s fault. It’s the playcalling. It’s Koetter’s fault. It’s the defense’s fault. It’s everyone but Jameis’ fault on everything.
He needs to grow the F up today, now or get gone. He’s useless with the turnovers.
December 30th, 2017 at 2:08 pm
Eric…retaining Koetter will keep us in the basement. Gruden, among a few others, could change that. Just so it is clear.
December 30th, 2017 at 2:14 pm
Ndog
I suggest you actually start watching the real, actual games instead of just reading about them on sites like this one
December 30th, 2017 at 2:18 pm
After Schiano and Lovie getting only 2 years (wrong or rightfully so, not the point of this comment), firing Koetter would have been the nail in the coffin for our beloved franchise being a complete shi-shi show — Who would they have brought in? Head coaching gigs are still the ultimate goal, but up-and-coming coordinators are being more and more picky who they go to work for. If anything, another losing season next year, and then firing Koetter, would tell up-and-coming coordinators that, while ownership is impatient, they will load you with toys and give you just enough time to try and figure it out.
December 30th, 2017 at 2:59 pm
Here’s the real question the Glaziers have to answer, how am I as a father supposed to get my son (13) and daughter(9) to be fans of the Bucs when all they do is break hearts? My son keeps asking me dad “why do you like this team you always say they will be better but they suck every year”?
December 30th, 2017 at 3:01 pm
Anomaly,
Not sure what you mean by it was the oline’s faults, but is it your position that the online has protected Winston? Do you disagree that Koetter’s offense is predictable, causes for to many long developing plays for which the online cannot provide protection, and that Jenna Laine exposed Koetter’s defense? Is the defense not ranked thirty-first overall?
December 30th, 2017 at 3:02 pm
Exposed Koetter’s offense
December 30th, 2017 at 3:12 pm
Joe,
The kid is too cute to use as a juxtapose for your title. You should use a picture of Dump. I cannot stand to look at the man, so I would not post comments.
December 30th, 2017 at 3:53 pm
I agree with comments on Dirk – all you have to do is watch his football team come out week after week unprepared and watch as the coaches fail to make adjustments throughout the game.
However the comments on Winston are just dumb and lazy, typical of a box score watcher who doesn’t actually watch the games.
December 30th, 2017 at 4:04 pm
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I NEVER heard of “Sean Wagner-McGough” until today …. he’s an irrelevant nobody.
However the segment with talking head and former NFL DB Dominique Foxworth and some lady (don’t remember her name) the other day was ridiculously telling as BOTH admitted they never even looked at Jameis season stats until just recently and both were amazed at how good a season he’s had … THAT is the type of nonsense I’m talking about … the media talking heads are LAZY and DO NOT DO THEIR RESEARCH, they just look at team W/L records for 5 seconds and then spin a biased narrative based on little more than their own warped opinion … it’s all soooooooo stupid.
The FACT is that Jameis has a BETTER completion percentage AND a better passer rating than MVP candidate Russell Wilson for the entire SEASON, despite Jameis playing much of this season with a jacked throwing shoulder … THOSE ARE ACTUAL FACTS!
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December 30th, 2017 at 4:19 pm
Rod,
Deshawn Jackson made a comment to what you are saying in regards to the first Saints game. He said the offense prepared for single high, but the Saint’s defense played a cover two defense.
December 30th, 2017 at 5:11 pm
Well what is done is done. All we can hope for is that Dirk grows into the job.
We are not alone. Our partners in futility the browns are keeping their coach just to make it appear they are stable too. And are gearing up for teh draft and all.
The Brown’s players love Hugh Jackson too.
Did not think we could ever return to the pre-dungy dark days but damned if we haven;t pulled it off.
December 30th, 2017 at 5:16 pm
I personally can’t wait to see Dirk run through the tunnel to lead the Tampa Bay Browns next year.
Can cut the excitement with a knife.
December 30th, 2017 at 5:44 pm
I can’t disagree with anything he said. Too many stupid stupid stupid decisions by Jameis in his 3rd year. Sorry, I don’t care if he throws for 8000 yards if we’re 4-12. Big deal. Give him a plaque. Koetter failed to make Jameis great. I see jameis’ up Side. He can be great. Koetter won’t be. Next year we get to watch mediocre football, again, then rebuild with a new coach. Nothing to look forward to until 2020.
December 30th, 2017 at 5:53 pm
Oops. I left out he was injured all season. My bad.
December 30th, 2017 at 5:55 pm
The Browns has John Dorsey now as GM. The Yucs are stuck with the “Incompetent” Jason Licht. The Browns will be pissing on the Yucs in a few years.
December 30th, 2017 at 6:03 pm
Glad we got both Koetter and Jameis. I’m already excited for next season(Bucs fan since 76′). I’m always excited for next season. 😉 BTW, Koetter doesn’t get a pass for the defense next season.
December 30th, 2017 at 6:45 pm
Anomaly,
You have not responded to my second inquiry. Now you are blaming Winston for being injured?
December 30th, 2017 at 7:58 pm
@ logged – What are you babbling about? If JW does not cut down on the turnovers we’ll never win anything. It is fact. Turnovers are killer in today’s NFL.
You want to absolve him of blame? He’s immature. If he can grow up he will do well. If not, Jeff George is his future.
I can’t you excuse makers. You’ve been doing it since FSU. He had that great freshman season and has been turning it over en masse ever since. Do you deny it? Probably. Freaking FSU fanboys think this is college still. Welcome to the big time. Grow up or get gone.
December 30th, 2017 at 8:34 pm
Anomaly,
Babbling?
That is exactly what you do. When asked specific questions about your opinions, you become defensive. Yet, on every topic you spew labels and conclusions. Nothin
December 30th, 2017 at 8:38 pm
Nothing you say is supported relevant to the facts.
December 30th, 2017 at 8:51 pm
@ logged – now you’re just entertaining me. LOL. You’re a babbler. It’s pretty freaking hilarious. How many dates have you and JW been on?
December 30th, 2017 at 9:16 pm
Anomaly,
Entertained? How about exposed? You are to stupid to have s semi-intelligent conversation about football. How is that for a label and conclusion?
December 30th, 2017 at 10:06 pm
@ logged – To stupid? Is that to be or not to be? Or am I TOO stupid? You would need to be semi-intelligent first before we could have that conversation. In fact, I am getting tired carrying this the whole way. Happy New Year!
Thank you for the laughs. I truly enjoyed this…lol.
December 30th, 2017 at 10:24 pm
Anomaly,
I stand corrected. You are too stupid. Happy new year!
December 31st, 2017 at 7:29 am
I am so tickled that Koetter and Jamie’s get a 3rd year to see what’s what.
We need better linemen on both sides of the ball, a running back, and a corner.
Go Bucs!
We can’t expect to become a playoff contender by starting over every two years. Anyone who is dissatisfied with the lack of a franchise reset can go appreciate the Browns and their constant change throughout their cycle of suck.
Put your big girl panties on and deal with it, we are going to get a third hear for Koetter and Jameis.