Historic NFL Blunders Aid Jameis
December 18th, 2017
Fool of a coach looms large.
Yes, a lot of Bucs fans are fed up with America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston.
Even though he is on the cusp of owning every Bucs passing record imaginable and already has an NFL passing record, it’s not good enough for Bucs fans. Nope. They want him thrown into Tampa Bay this morning. They’d rather go back to the dark ages of Stuart McClown and Byron Leftwich. Some of these same fans actually believe Brian Hoyer or Mike Glennon would be an upgrade.
Well, as long as the current Bucs regime remains in place, and likely the next regime (whenever that may occur), Jameis won’t get run off any time soon. So these fans who have turned on him better buckle up and stock up on the liquor. Jameis is here for the immediate future (barring the Uber thing blowing up in his face).
One reason is Team Glazer has his back. Another is that coaches and front office personnel see what many Bucs fans don’t see, not even Joe.
(For example, earlier this year Dirk Koetter was asked if Jameis was ready to play when he was fighting through his shoulder issue. Koetter replied yes. When asked why, Koetter replied that he witnessed Jameis throw 300 passes in practice that week.)
Bucs types see the talent Jameis has much more than anyone else does, and there is no way they are going to Pearl Harbor their own careers and be thought of as NFL jokes by giving up on Jameis.
Why? Joe can sum it up in two words: Jerry Glanville.
Glanville, who in his day was a pretty good defensive coach, is thought of in NFL circles as an arsehat, a clown. A fool who left tickets for Elvis Presley (long after he died) and coined the famous NFL mantra: “What does NFL stand for? Not for long.” Glanville was also considered a pariah in NFL coaching circles for picking public fights with Chuck Noll, Marty Schottenheimer and Sam Wyche, to name a few.
Oh, yeah, and Glanville, noted talent evaluator that he was, is also widely known for giving up on two Hall of Fame players, John Randle and Brett Favre.
Joe was watching the recent NFL Network documentary of the 1991 Atlanta Falcons that had a Hall of Fame player on each side of the ball, Deion Sanders and Brett Favre. Only problem was, Glanville either was too stupid, too arrogant or too lazy to work with Favre. He constantly mocked Favre calling him “Mississippi” because Glanville kept thinking Favre went to Ole Miss (he went to Southern Miss).
Glanville thought so little of Favre that he traded for Billy Joe Tolliver as a No. 2 quarterback behind Chris Miller. Now, did Favre have issues? He sure did. Was he a screw-up in ways? Yes, he was. But he also had rare skills. Sanders, in the documentary, mentioned how teammates would watch Favre in awe in practice how he could sling the ball 40 yards downfield on a dime. Yet Glanville couldn’t, didn’t or refused to see it.
Glanville then talked the Dixie Chicks’ front office into trading Favre to Green Bay. The rest, as they say, is history. The Packers won a Super Bowl with Favre, who is now in the Hall of Fame, and Glanville is largely thought of as the Chris Farley of football.
In the same documentary, Glanville was bluntly asked why he got rid of Favre. Glanville danced and said he wasn’t going to bench a guy that won him 10 games in 1991. Fair point, but glossed over is that Glanville thought more of Tolliver than he did Favre, which speaks volumes to how clueless Glanville was about quarterbacks (not to mention how he cut Randle). Either that, or Glanville was just too dumb or too lazy to work with Favre.
That brings Joe back to Jameis. The Bucs coaches and front office folks see Jameis’ talent every day in practice. Does he have warts? Hell, yes. But they see the talent and they see his passion and drive and they know how football smart he is (though it doesn’t often show on gamedays). There was a reason Jameis was drafted No. 1 overall.
There isn’t one employee at One Buc Palace that, 25 years from now, wants to be interviewed by NFL Films and have it broadcast on the NFL Network answering the question, “Why did you get rid of Jameis Winston?”
December 18th, 2017 at 8:10 am
Jameis “licking fingers” Winston just doesn’t have it all together mentally to be great…..just like all previous high 1st rd QB picks who has never lived up to expectations.
What Jameis needs is a good defense to carry him like Trent Dilfer and the Ravens in their SB season.
December 18th, 2017 at 8:22 am
I don’t care about records… I want to win…. His first two years I knew he was learning so I was OK about the inconstancy. In his third season I was hoping he would turn the corner and he hasn’t. That being said he is just 23 there is plenty of time for him to develop. #3 is my QB period. Go bucs!
December 18th, 2017 at 8:24 am
Yeah, I mean every 23 year old kid is super mentall. Ready to win the super bowl… cut the kid a break. This is part of the growth and maturation process. This isn’t madden, this is real life.
December 18th, 2017 at 8:33 am
@ doolnutts
If you knew how to analyze this history and the development of QB, you would clearly understand how good QBs progress in any level of sports.
Unfortunately, “your QB” is not doing so.
* His rookie he got a complete pass from his stupidity cause he’s learning
* His second year it is needed to see progression and towards the end of last season should’ve seen a somewhat good QB but still making minor mistakes
* His third year, this should’ve been a HUGE leap forward in terms of minimalizing mistakes and having good QB play
Unfortunately, he’s still doing the same stupid rookie mistakes that should’ve been coached outta your system the last two years.
JW has regressed and it’s very very very troubling what were seeing from Mr “Licking Fingers”.
JW will always be “good” but never “great or HOF” material. I think the key now is to surround him with a good defense to help carry him cause JWs arm or talent will get the bucs to the SB period.
December 18th, 2017 at 8:35 am
I meant “NEVER” get the bucs to the SB with JWs talent….he needs a good defense to help him out.
December 18th, 2017 at 8:38 am
When will Winston apologists realize stats and empty records mean nothing?
This is a new way to play football. 4,000 yards in a season would put you 14th on the passing list last year. It is expected that in a passing league a QB that is drafted 1st overall be near the top of the record books for a franchise that has not resigned a draft QB….ever.
It is everything else that goes along with the passing yards that has everyone throwing their hands up. The imaturity, the slow starts, the turn overs, the lack of development and the pregame antics. Not too mention the barrage of Winston apologists throwing Manning stats, his age, his lack of oline, lack of running game and the coach as excuses for his lack of success and development.
When you have QBs that are rookies and second year players in playing better and a consistent level it is concerning. When you have Jimmy G being traded mid-season and coming in a few weeks later and winning multiple games it is concerning.
There is something not connecting. There are many variables but once fans stop apologizing and making excuses then the objective conversations can start.
December 18th, 2017 at 8:40 am
Its pretty obvious that Jameis has more game then say Marcus Mariota, Blake Bortles, Tim Couch, Akili Smith, Crying Leif or Jamarcus Russell though many simply do not want to acknowledge that but Bucs fans have to admit it remains to be seen whether Winston can avoid making the bone headed mistakes that are keeping him from being seen as a good (top 15 qb) let alone an elite qb. Favre made his share of picks and forced mistakes but his upside far surpassed what JW has shown so far but keep in mind the kid is only 23, way too early to cut him loose though I am sure certain franchises in places like Ohio, NY, the desert or the mid Atlantic would not mind having him on their roster to develop if he were to find a new home….
December 18th, 2017 at 8:45 am
Joe give it a rest and accept tbe facf this fanbase is full of idiots. All of tbese morons were saying playoffs some saying superbowl and because winston who has more tds and less picks than mariota , also has no d no coaching no running game want him gone and believe all these records are garbage time despite the bucs being in every game but two-one of those being where he first hurt his shoulder. The average fan on this site doesn’t have a clue. I appreciate you trying to win them over but it’s not gonna happen. They think a qb can resolve everything. Oh btw how bout Rodgers yesterday vs the panthers. See what no running game and no defense and no line can do.
December 18th, 2017 at 8:46 am
I know Brett Favre; Brett Favre is a friend of mine; I’ve seen There’s Something about Mary starring Brett Favre over a hundred times; I even own a pair of Wrangler jeans which is endorsed by Brett Favre. Senator…Jameis Winston is no Brett Favre.
December 18th, 2017 at 8:50 am
“Doctor Stroud Says:
December 18th, 2017 at 8:46 am
I know Brett Favre; Brett Favre is a friend of mine; I’ve seen There’s Something about Mary starring Brett Favre over a hundred times; I even own a pair of Wrangler jeans which is endorsed by Brett Favre. Senator…Jameis Winston is no Brett Favre.”
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December 18th, 2017 at 8:51 am
Njbucsfan- no line no coaching no defense isn’t an excuse you absolute moron- those are reasons. Goodness Joe this is what I’m talking about. The dude is taking 7 step drops every play and being harassed. Evans is playing awful Jackson doesn’t even care and the coach is too dumb to use Godwin and Howard. Don’t give me started on barber. 1,2,3 throw and watch what happens
December 18th, 2017 at 8:56 am
Um… Winston has three years of play to evaluate on. And he is regressing, albeit on a very bad team.
December 18th, 2017 at 8:56 am
SCREW STATS I WANT WINS DAMN IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 18th, 2017 at 8:57 am
Jameis will be in a Super Bowl within the next 5 years, in a Bucs uniform or a different team.
December 18th, 2017 at 9:08 am
Joe
You are only telling half of the story.
Favre as a rookie had a bad attitude. He was cocky, not dedicated, didn’t listen at all to his coaches, missed practices and meetings and had very little involvement with his team. He would not prepare properly for games just trying to get by on his talent and ego. He himself later said that he was surprised that the Falcons put up with as much as they did and said he didn’t blame them for trading him. He said the trade was a wakeup call for him and made him realize what it took for him to be a QB in the NFL
December 18th, 2017 at 9:11 am
it aint Winston…its coaching simple as that….once favre got around good coaches he took off…..Winston is in the same situation…..surround him with competent coaches and watch him develop into what we know he can be….GO BUCS!!!
December 18th, 2017 at 9:15 am
Who the hell cares about Jameis’s records? Ask a Dolphins former QB marino about records and he would gladly trade them in for a superbowl ring. I’d take a slightly above average Jameis along with a Great Defense anyday of the week.
WE want WINS…not stats.
December 18th, 2017 at 9:15 am
Good article Joe, I would like to point out that people are also judging on how we went after our drafts and free agents this past year. When you look at our performance last year, winning games with one wide out, one back up slot reciever and a undrafted tight end who emerged as a serious threat, I don’t remember people questioning Winston then, we got more weapons for Winston we desperately needed after watching our lack of depth last year on offense, we were even able to run the ball with out Martin with Jaquizz avg 4.3 per carry by the end of the year.
Our defense some how miraculously turns around and was dominant in a five game stretch at the latter end of last season, and was one of the best on third down and points scored per game, with a developing high skill/talent corner. Our safeties were playing well even Conte. We get Line backer depth, Beckwith (which we nailed on that pick). We have a developing edge rusher who should be dominant according to everyone watching and coaching this kid named Noah Spence, we get a fat run stopper who can also get to the quarter back with several sacks coming off his last season. All this talk about rotating our defensive line to keep them fresh. We had all this Hype at the beginning of the year because we all thought we had all the right pieces in place.
On paper it looked like we were going to have a hell of a season, all the media bought in too, but this season turning out like it did you can’t blame the picks, you have to blame performance and who gets the blame for that? This team hasn’t looked prepared for a game since game one against Chicago which was a even worse team with no identity they didn’t even know who their Quarter back was gonna be.
Under performance and regression on almost every position it seems, and we are circling the drain again. Was it distractions? over confidence? Coaching? all of the above I think. I hope the Bucs figure it out or find someone that can.
December 18th, 2017 at 9:20 am
Broy34
If Rodgers doesn’t throw three horrible picks , ( and I could have intercepted those balls) Packers win. Run game and defense did not lose that game for the pack. Really bad turnovers lost that game.
December 18th, 2017 at 9:23 am
Broy34…now now…let’s not resort to name calling. Your posts are the epitome of a Winston Fan Boy. Last year it #WeaponsForWinston, this year it’s is all the coaching and the line’s fault. A true franchise QB has the ability to make others around him better. Understand the strengths and weaknesses of his team and maximize the opportunities to use the strengths to win. Winston has not shown the ability to consistently do this.
You can question my football intelligence and call names while cozying up to the Joe’s with you post, but my opinion is purely based on his lack of development as a NFL QB.
December 18th, 2017 at 9:25 am
I’m just not as high on the record setting stuff. NJBuc is right – football over the last 10 or so years is a fundamentally different game from what it used to be. Saying Jameis holds all these Bucs records is a little disingenuous – this team has never had a franchise QB ever, not to mention in the modern era of passing offenses. Defenses just aren’t as physical as they used to be – I mean they can’t be otherwise players will draw penalties and fines. The rules open things up for receivers and QBs, that’s just a fact. 4000 yards used to be a feat, nowadays it’s 5000. I’m not saying it’s a cake walk to play QB in the NFL, it’s still a demanding position. But you can’t tell me the way the game is officiated doesn’t have something to do with the stats either.
December 18th, 2017 at 9:41 am
“But they see the talent and they see his passion and drive and they know how football smart he is (though it doesn’t often show on gamedays). There was a reason Jameis was drafted No. 1 overall.”
He’s talented enough to throw flutter balls..high and outside balls,,low and in the dirt balls. We’ve all heard a lot about his football IQ, but I don’t see it, he does things you wouldn’t do in junior high football. Maybe he’s great on a white board, but if it doesn’t translate to the field, what good is it? His passion? Great if your looking for a high school cheerleader. There was a reason he was drafted # 1, and they will all be departing soon….
C’mon Joe, don’t miss the forest for the trees
December 18th, 2017 at 9:48 am
Good QB play is so important now in the NFL.
The lowly 49ers are 3-0 since acquiring Jimmy G.
Bucs are 4-9. What does that tell you?
December 18th, 2017 at 9:55 am
There are other factors, but when a team goes seven consecutive 3 and outs, the QB HAS to be a big part of the problem. I believe Evans has made Jameis look better than he is. Jameis can’t hit a receiver in stride. Evans is a prime example of that, and and too often he misses an open receiver altogether. His ball security is a joke. The first two QBs drafted last season will likely meet in the playoffs in a few weeks. They learned and progressed. Jameis has not. Other factors aside, Jameis isn’t playing smarter. He’s never going to be an elite QB. We have to accept that. He’s no Favre. I say draft some competition for him. Maybe one or the other will make a decent backup. Koetter needs a QB who can keep his composure under fire.
December 18th, 2017 at 10:00 am
“1sparkybuc Says:
December 18th, 2017 at 9:55 am
There are other factors, but when a team goes seven consecutive 3 and outs, the QB HAS to be a big part of the problem. I believe Evans has made Jameis look better than he is. Jameis can’t hit a receiver in stride.”
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Exactly………..cause of Evans HUGE catch radius and great hands. Just like Kelvin Benjamin at FSU.
December 18th, 2017 at 10:09 am
@Cover Deuce
I agree 100%. We can no longer use the same measuring stick of 4,000 yards to identify an elite QB. Last year’s 4,000 passers included Andy Dalton, Joe Flacco, and Carson Palmer. The year before that Blake Bortles and Ryan Tannehill.
Plus, stats have been overhyped as a benchmark of success due to fantasy football.
The lack of development and understanding when he should and should not push it down the field is alarming.
I agree with w/ 1sparkybuc. Winston benefited from having Evans here. Like he did in college with Benjamin. WR’s with a large catch radius can compensate for inaccuracy.
December 18th, 2017 at 10:18 am
Why does every excuse for Jameis get wrapped in the “but he’s only 23 years old” argument. He may only be 23, but he’s in his 3RD YEAR AT QB! Are we supposed to wait til he’s 26 before we start expecting improvement at the position?!
He’s not there yet, plain and simple.
December 18th, 2017 at 10:22 am
Comparing events which occurred a quarter century ago is lazy logic.
What Glanville did or did not not do has no bearing at all.
That was then; this is now.
December 18th, 2017 at 10:35 am
I am a crazy FSU fan and love my NOLES!! I was excited to get Jameis as well. However, Jameis might never be an elite QB in the NFL not many become elites.
Even Dumbo Fisher former FSU coach, didn’t coach him up as well as the media believed. He also started that NFL pro-style drop back 5-7 steps sit in the pocket and launch one for one your dynamic receiver’s.
JW needs to be completely retooled to maximize his good attributes. JW isn’t the kind of QB who can do multiple look downs quickly and correctly. The BUCS need quick paced power runs, quick slants, and an up-tempo style of offense to create mismatches with opposing defenses. Give JW 2 years with new leadership then lets see what we have. JW is not even remotely our biggest problem.
(FRICKIN BUILD TWO DOMINATE OFFENSE AND DEFENSE LINES!
That would be a great christmas present!! Go BUCS.
December 18th, 2017 at 10:38 am
Comparing Jameis to Brett Favre is like comparing the Joes to Grantland Rice.
December 18th, 2017 at 10:53 am
This clearly has to be the worst fan base in the nation. We just have a bunch of idiots on this board. SMH
December 18th, 2017 at 12:10 pm
Lots of dumb fans. Quarterbacks go through ebbs and flows early in their career. Clearly something is off with this entire team this year. You can’t call for Jameis’ head and not mention Derek Carr and Marcus Mariota and the brutal seasons they are having in the same sentence.
December 18th, 2017 at 12:39 pm
@NDOG
I Sooooooo CONCUR!
I also concur….Jameis is not Brett Farve…Brett Farve wasn’t Brett Farve til he was trained up and matured…yep dumb as ticks!
Jameis WILL BE ‘FAMEIS JAMEIS’ not because of the inaccuracies, but inspite of the them.
” ” ‘FAMEIS JAMEIS’ because of the so called ‘bone headed’ plays when they work, because he and his supporting cast gel…HE WILL BE the Michael Jordan of football with the ethics of ALI.
December 18th, 2017 at 12:58 pm
Good point about Carr and MAriot…. lets compare them….
Here is their NFL career stats
Jamies Winston QBR 86.3, TD 64 and INT 41 TD/INT Ratio 1.56
Mariota – QBR 89.2 TD 57 and INT 33 TD/INT Ratio 1.72
Carr – QBR 88.0 TD 101 and INT 41 TD/INT Ratio 2.46
So JW is 3rd place in QBR, 2 in most TD, and the worst ratio of TD to INT.
BUt lets be honest, those numbers don’t mean anything…. W’s?
JW – W 17 – L 25 = 40.5%
Mariot – W 19 – L 21 = 47.5%
Carr W – 28 – L 32 = 46.7%
So JW is last in W’s, and last in Win Loss %
Any way you slice it, JW is a sub par rookie Rookie Contract QB.
He will get the Head coach Fired, his second coaching job he cost someone.
For those out there going… it’s the Def fault…. Here are some other QB’s with a better Win / Loss percentage.
Tyrod Tailor – 21 – 19, 52.5%
Tannerhill – 37 – 40, 48%
Goff – 10 – 11 , 47.6%
Ones to make your head hurt:
Fitzpatrick – 40.8% (only slighty more than JW, but…. It’s more….)
Brian Hoyer – 43.2%
Jay Cutler – 49%
Here are the 3 active Qb’s closet to him in Win Loss % that he is beating
Geno Smith
Ryan Mallet
Kellen Clemens
That’s the company of JW….. Back up washouts across the NFL.
December 18th, 2017 at 1:42 pm
I know you love to compare him to Favre all the time with the stats and what was lost. I think your really not comparing him properly though. Favre and Jameis besides being gunslingers have nothing in common besides being from the South.
So I decided to bring to light some stats to show how little they compare and why people who think there are problems have a very valid point. We are just concerned he is not turning out like Favre at all.
Here is Brett’s stats his first 3 years starting (he only had 4 passes in Atlanta):
1992-Pass Yards 3,227; 18 TD; 13 INT; 8 and 5 W-L Record
1993-Pass Yards 3,303; 19 TD; 24 INT; 9 and 7 W-L Record
1994-Pass Yards 3882; 33 TD; 14 INT; 9 and 7 W-L Record
In 1992 the Packers were second place in the division and barely missed the playoffs. In 1993 the packers went to the playoffs and won. Then lost in divisional round to Dallas the future SB winner in a game decided by only 10 points. In 1994 the packers went to the playoffs and won. Lost to Dallas Cowboys in divisional round who then ended up losing to the 49ers who won the Super Bowl. After 3 years he had 26 wins and 19 losses (.578).
Here is Jameis stats his first 3 years starting (2017 not complete yet):
1992-Pass Yards 4,042; 22 TD; 15 INT; 6 and 10 W-L Record
1993-Pass Yards 4,090; 28 TD; 18 INT; 9 and 7 W-L Record
1994-Pass Yards 2,475; 14 TD; 8 INT; 2 and 8 W-L Record
The Bucs were last place in the division in 2015 and 2017 and 2nd place in 2016. No playoffs yet with JW3 at the helm. 17 wins and 25 losses (.405)
You see the difference. Favre was a gunslinger with turnovers but he won games and went to the playoffs and won. People who watched realized what he needed was more talent around him. So they went out and got players so he could win a Super Bowl. Please don’t compare a JW3 to a HOF QB. Jameis has a not shown he can win in 2 out of his 3 years starting. He has far more weapons than many QB’s in the league so of course he is going to get lots of great stats. Plus the rules of the NFL are far easier today than in the 90’s so it is much easier to throw the ball around. Put him in 1992 and he is even worse.
If the Bucs truly want JW3 to be their QB then DK has to go. His offense is great, it really is. Statistically speaking. His offense is based on the Air Coryell system which is a vertical offense. The first team to use this in the NFL was the 1979 Chargers with Dan Fouts who went on to set multiple passing records but did not win the SB. It is a high risk, downfield offense that attacks the defense by stretching it vertically. That is why you see so many deep comebacks or other slow developing plays. It usually produces more big plays but worse completion percentages and more INTs. JW3 is bad at deep balls (which the Air Coryell is built on….) so it is not a good fit. What JW3 needs is a coach who runs a West Coast offense. Those systems don’t rely on deep throws but instead on intermediate and short throws with higher completion percentages and relying on receivers to run after the catch. The Rams this year run that system, so do the Eagles and the Chiefs and Seahawks and countless other teams. It is the system that Gruden ran too by the way. Dirk runs an offense that is equally as old as the West Coast system. The WCO is much more QB friendly. We need to get a coach to bring that system and it will help JW3 be a better player with shorter drops. He will get his less too and our line will be less exposed. We could also try bringing in a Josh McDaniels to run an Erhardt-Perkins offense which the Patriots installed the year Belichick took over. It has won multiple SB’s and been incredible. Very different than West Coast or Air Coryell as it focuses on “concepts” that are interchangeable. But JW3 could run that also. It is actually considered the most QB friendly system as it is less verbiage and the QB just memorizes concepts and then they mix in various formations and personnel to run the same exact play. NE runs the same handful of plays all game long. It is irrelevant people know what the play is as they just out execute them and disguise the same plays over and over again.
December 18th, 2017 at 1:45 pm
So Sam you don’t think our 32nd ranked defense has anything to do with some (most) of those losses?
December 18th, 2017 at 2:14 pm
Wait, I remember reading a post on this site about Jameis being Peyton Manning. So now he is Brett Farve. Which one is it?
December 18th, 2017 at 2:33 pm
Joseph Mamma so you want to compare him to Peyton then. Ok that is even better.
1998: 3-13
1999: 13-3; went to the playoffs and lost barely to the Titans who went on to lose the Super Bowl to the Rams who beat the Bucs.
2000: 10-6; went to the playoffs and lost to Miami.
First 3 years as a pro 20-22 with a .476 win percentage. Selected to pro bowl 2 of 3 years. Had 12,287 pass yards and 85 TD vs 58 INTs. Blows JW3 away in pass yards, TD, wins and playoff appearances.
We can compare him to many greats and his stats will look bad. He throws for lots of yards, gets first downs too. But the guy is not a winner so far and makes far more bad plays than others compared to the great plays he makes.
Sorry to burst your bubble but compared to Manning he is equally as bad. Favre, Manning, lets keep finding QB’s who did better their first 3 years starting to show how far JW3 is from where he should be. If we get him a different system of offense and improve the defense (maybe a good kicker too) then maybe we can turn this thing around. Otherwise more of the same.
December 18th, 2017 at 4:24 pm
TheBucsAnthem Says:
December 18th, 2017 at 8:35 am
I meant “NEVER” get the bucs to the SB with JWs talent….he needs a good defense to help him out.
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Wow, what a crime. I’m pretty sure everyone one of us here believe Drew Brees to be one of the best QB’s ever to play the game right? Ok well wasn’t that guy just going 7-9 every year without a defense and a dominant running game/ O-line?
Or how about Aaron Rodgers who is so good that he goes 1 and done in the playoffs each and every season?
That’s what I thought. You casual fans put way to much emphasis on the impact of the QB alone. You can not be an elite QB in this league without at least a very good defense/ O-line.
December 18th, 2017 at 4:30 pm
Well, well, well. That sort of screws up the narrative for quite a few, eh?
December 18th, 2017 at 6:31 pm
Funny Joe you mention Drew Brees….
Lets review his stats!
2002 W-L 8-8 with 3,284 Pass Yards & 17 TD to 16 INT; No playoffs
2003 2-9 with 2,108 Pass Yards & 11 TD to 15 INT; No playoffs
2004 11-4 with 3,159 Pass Yards & 27 TD to 7 INT; Won Division and went to the playoffs where they lost to the Jets in the wild card by 3 points. So 21 W vs. 21 L or a .500 record. 8,551 total pass yards, 55 TD to 38 INT.
That is so weird he went to the playoffs in YR 3 and had a better record over 3 years. Seems like maybe he was a better QB also and nothing like Jameis. His third year he got better….. Keep searching for a QB who is elite that plays like Jameis after 3 years as a starter. Its fun to prove how they are superior.
The trajectory in all of these guys is playoffs and winning. That is the difference. You can overlook turnovers or stupid decisions if the guy is a actual winner. If he loses a lot suddenly he is making mistakes that cost the team. We would like to get wins not first downs or pass yards or pass touchdowns. Eventually would like Super Bowls.
December 18th, 2017 at 6:51 pm
If you cannot be an elite QB without a defense and offensive line why did we draft so many weapons for winston? I thought if we gave him real weapons and not Donte Dye that he would be elite. So now we need to give Winston weapons, a defense, an offensive line and a kicker…. So we need a complete team….
We could have traded back a with the Eagles in 2015 who were under Chip Kelly and willing to do anything stupid on earth. Here is what we missed out on… The Eagles offered the Titans their 2015 first- and second-round picks, their 2016 first-round pick, any quarterback on their roster and any defensive player on their roster in exchange for the No. 2 overall pick.
By the way Sam Bradford a former #1 pick was on the Eagles roster. We could have gotten a QB and 2 first round picks and 2 2nd round picks and any defensive player we wanted. We could have given Bradford multiple players around him and instantly improved the defense. We then could have used additional picks in 2016 & 2017 to draft fantastic players across the board. If we didn’t like Bradford after 2015 some guy named Dak Prescott was available late in the draft in 2016. If we had used the picks we got for the prior year trade we could have talent around Dak like he has in Dallas. The Eagles likely would have given us even more if we offered them the #1 pick.
Look we got Winston we have to own it now. But we could have added 5 players to this team had we traded one pick. Tell me how does the Bucs defense look if you get any defensive starter on the 2015 Eagles plus 2 first round picks plus 2 second round picks in addition to our other draft picks? They would be like the Rams this year with a dominant defense, skill players on offense and a solid offensive line who has a winning record and is going to the playoffs. See how easy a single decision is?
December 18th, 2017 at 6:59 pm
Correction: 2 first round picks, 1 second round pick, any QB of our choosing and any defensive player of our choosing…. Not 2 second round picks. Made a typo.
Still would have been able to add a very good defensive player in addition to a QB who can play (when he is healthy) in addition to 3 draft picks in 2 years on top of the picks we already have.
Heck we could have traded Bradford to some other team for a pick as well. Maybe like what happened when Bradford went to the Vikings. Vikings gave up a first-round pick in 2017 and an additional pick in 2018. Just saying 1 year later we could have traded him and gotten 2 more picks. Can you imagine the talent we could have around our team?
Case Keenum is dominating this year with the talent the Vikings have. Could have picked up any number of free agents or later draft pick QBs and had a stacked team.
There are multiple ways to build a team. It can be done if you build around him with insanely good talent. Instead we focused on Winston & Weapons for Winston. That meant we missed out on other talented players who could make our defense elite & help bolster our offensive line and add skill positions to the offense to make any QB look good. Then if we still were not happy we could trade a pick at that point and draft a franchise.
What is the point of a franchise QB if you have to spend 4-8 years drafting the cast around him to make him any good? Might as well build a team up and then add the QB.
December 18th, 2017 at 10:01 pm
No less than Fabre said if he remained in ATL he would have stayed a drunk and been out of the league.
December 19th, 2017 at 10:48 am
@Bucglory
You must be stupid. Drew Brees DID have a great defense in 2004. And a good O-line, and one of the best Running backs to ever play the game in Ladainian Tomlinson.
So yeah try again.
December 19th, 2017 at 2:39 pm
Blake_Bucsfan
You must be stupid. How did the defense help him throw TD or less INT? More pass yards came because of a defense?
Yes he had LT but his entire offense was based on 2 players. LT & Gates. That was Drews entire offense. Jameis has far more weapons. Jameis has a great supporting offensive skill position cast.
Also, funny you mention the good defense do you know who the coordinator of the Chargers defense was in 2004? Wade Philips who is the Rams coordinator. That was his first year with the team and funny they switched from a 4-3 to a 3-4. He was available this off-season but we decided to to keep our existing coordinator.
December 19th, 2017 at 2:52 pm
Check out the 2004 stats of the Chargers D. Great run D but allowed massive pass yards. They forced turnovers also.
Instead of spending so many draft picks and FA on Weapons for Winston we should have given him players to bolster the D. He did amazing last year without our fancy new TE or many other players. If he needs a D so bad why did we not get him pass rushers or more corners to help? Because Dirk and Jason believed that adding Weapons for Winston plus keeping Smitty (who ended last year well) was enough. They were wrong. Doesn’t change the fact that JW3 needs to play better to help his team. Last night he played incredibly well. Very proud of him. He played to his potential. Needs to do that more often.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/PhilWa0.htm