Friction Between Koetter, Jameis?
December 10th, 2017
Reported rift between coach, QB.
Is this the beginning of the end?
Sadly, Joe sort of expected this when a team expected to make the playoffs is staring at four wins in December.
Per Ian Rapoport of NFL Network, there is growing discord between America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston and Bucs coach Dirk Koetter. Rapoport says the tension stems from how Koetter handled Jameis’ injury and Jameis’ frustration with a predictable offense. You can see the full report in the video below.
Again, Joe sort of expected this drama to surface. It’s what happens when talented teams play below expectations.
Joe will just say this: Koetter, in recent weeks, has been unbelievably supportive of Jameis in public comments. Almost to the point of going overboard. Jameis also said Wednesday, “I love my coaches.”
From @NFLGameDay: A look at the possible medical clearance for #Packers QB Aaron Rodgers… and why the relationship between #Bucs coach Dirk Koetter and QB Jameis Winston is not in a great place. pic.twitter.com/oT3LNu38jB
— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) December 10, 2017
December 10th, 2017 at 10:34 am
“Totally confident”, right guys?
If Ian Rappaport is reporting this then it’s probably true.
December 10th, 2017 at 10:34 am
Honestly surprised hasn’t been more of an uprising so far. Can see Evans and desean going off soon. Help us Jon Gruden…your our only hope. Ya I said it…
December 10th, 2017 at 10:35 am
Jameis’s 3rd strike
December 10th, 2017 at 10:35 am
And which of the two will the Glazers sacrifice?
December 10th, 2017 at 10:37 am
Dirk better be careful. He could end up getting headbutted, poked in the back of the head and groped all at the same time. Lucky for him Jameis is inaccurate and might go 0-3 in attempts.
December 10th, 2017 at 10:37 am
Someone needed to call out Koetter for his bland offense. Good for Jameis. And for those that want to blame Jameis is it his fault he’s asked to run plays that require a 7 step drop and deep developing routes? Screen plays and tosses at terrible down and distances, and going for the deep ball when it’s 3 and short? I don’t think so. He plays the best in the hurry up because he finally gets some say in what play is going to be run and usually it’s a short to intermediate route. The offensive play calling has been head scratching at best this years. And I hate to say that because I really liked Koetter. Everything about Koetter is different this year from his play calling to his personality.
December 10th, 2017 at 10:39 am
@Dewey Selmon
Holy hell I just lost it reading that post!
December 10th, 2017 at 10:40 am
Jameis cannot handle a more complex offense….
December 10th, 2017 at 10:43 am
Jameis was only upset because he hated not playing. Koetter did the right thing sitting him to heal up.
Ian is making a mountain out of a molehill.
December 10th, 2017 at 10:43 am
^^^^ HAHAHAHAHA DEWEY!!! Too funny!
December 10th, 2017 at 10:44 am
Seriously though, i dont doubt theres a little rift….thats why coach k runs more than allowing pass plays.
December 10th, 2017 at 10:46 am
Did Jameis buy that RR? He might need it for getting out of town!
December 10th, 2017 at 10:46 am
Draft a QB in 3rd round this year, cant trust Winston
December 10th, 2017 at 10:48 am
I’d say every fan in the Tampa Bay area has a growing duscord with Koetter for his predictable/ineffective offense and weird personnel decisions.
Hopefully, Koetter’s gone at the end of the year. I can’t take another year of his predictable offense and poorly designed plays.
December 10th, 2017 at 10:49 am
*dis
December 10th, 2017 at 10:49 am
Theres always friction when you are losing. Don’t beleive me? Then miss a couple of mortgage payments! Detroits probably gonna create more friction IF or when we lose today. Easy choice for the Glazers. When are the caoching interviews?
December 10th, 2017 at 10:49 am
Losing does this
December 10th, 2017 at 10:50 am
@BuccLuck… when the perfect play is called the qb cant execute by throwing a bad ball or making a stupid turnover yeah Dirk may not be perfect or far from blame but the qb is just as much part of the problem like Dirk is, he is a turnover machine who is childish inaccurate and is not a natural leader he has to force it with dumb antics and phrases guess yall wont really believe it until the next head has to deal with the same problem in him the kid hasn’t really progressed since coming into the league he has the same problems since he threw his very first pass which was an int but he has the nerve to complain! Boy stop!
December 10th, 2017 at 10:55 am
Dewey wins the internet today.
December 10th, 2017 at 10:56 am
Blameis Jameis has a history of not holding himself accountable for his own shortcomings. Of course he’s going to blame the coach for his inability to win games.
December 10th, 2017 at 10:57 am
If it’s on or the other koetter is a goner. Winston isn’t going anywhere
December 10th, 2017 at 10:57 am
If the Glazers put their foot down and support Koetter and Licht, the players will have to either shape up or ship out.
The lack of that sort of support is exactly why this team is going nowhere. And the fans are just as guilty.
December 10th, 2017 at 11:00 am
Barber has best game we have had and we go back to Martin who’s hasn’t had a 100 yard game in forever and we wonder why Koetter is on the block.
December 10th, 2017 at 11:02 am
Source: Gruden’s agent
December 10th, 2017 at 11:05 am
I can’t come to understand why Dirk Koetter has become so Vanilla with his offense other than the fact that Jameis has looked horrible this season.
Everyone bashing Dirk should really be asking themselves if they would get really aggressive throwing the ball if you don’t trust your QB. Koetter ran a highly prolific offense in Atlanta and designed an offense that worked in Jacksonville with far less talent.
I can’t say I blame the guy if that is the reason. Jameis looked like complete horse sh!t this year more times than not….Dirk has a good looking resume as a play caller, where Jameis has a winning record in College and has looked his worst in his third year.
I think Koetter and Licht need to stay another year. Mike Smith has to go no matter what. If he stays the team is doomed. Find a DC that adjusts throughout the entire game and thus team will be a playoff contender. I think thats another reason Dirk has been so conservative. He’s scared to turn the ball over because he knows the defense will give up points on every single possession but ultimately it is up to Dirk to not part ways with Smith and I think he’s going to let his loyalty to Smith be the nail in his head coaching coffin.
December 10th, 2017 at 11:09 am
Altered ego the new maxi pad hard on except it’s for jameis. God you’re clueless and annoying
December 10th, 2017 at 11:13 am
Called it….The independent opinion on the shoulder was a red flag.
December 10th, 2017 at 11:14 am
i love all the idiots who want to bring the coach back that started the bucs on this decade plus playoff drought. living in the past is for weak losers. especially a FAILED past. being scared of new things is treatable with bubble wrap and Xanax…
when it comes to koetter, the only thing guaranteed is the glazers will make yet another piss poor decision at the end of the season. That family has NOT made a good decisions since sending the one dimensional ignorant fool dungy and his career losing playoff record the door. there is no hope for buc fan regardless of what the blind optimists spew.
December 10th, 2017 at 11:15 am
Altered ego
The problem is the offense isnt simple enough. N to say jameis couldnt handle a more complicated offense is juvenile. The guy has incredible football smarts. The offense is all pit of whack because of the play calling and play design. Im looking forward to seeing jameis improvement in a different offense. The coaching this year has been horrendous. Anyone blaming anyone other than the coaches is missing quite a bit. All started with the lack of training camp. Dirk hasnt a clue how to be a head coach. Its a shame cuz he was a great coordinator. Id be pissed at dirk too if i were the qb, more than I am now. He set his team up for failure.
December 10th, 2017 at 11:16 am
Koetter is officially gone.
Hopefully you guys will stop defending him.
December 10th, 2017 at 11:17 am
The Glazers fired Lovie Smith and promoted Dirk Koetter to Head Coach and gave Jason Licht complete control of Operations. They are not pleased with the outcome of their decision.There’s a lot of “behind the scene” activity going on at One Buc Place. Jason Licht is not under contract for next season and the Glazers has not committed to him, Dirk Koetter has not received a vote of confidence. I’m not predicting anything, but I will put my money on a future Black Monday in Tampa.
December 10th, 2017 at 11:17 am
Name one Coach/QB combination that never had any friction…….this is meaningless….I suspect losing and the Uber incident has put additional stress on the relationship…..but I’m quite sure they have a good one.
December 10th, 2017 at 11:17 am
Darin—- we’ll freaking said
December 10th, 2017 at 11:19 am
dar…..lol….fire Koetter….there ain’t a better HC that would dare take over this stinking hot pile….I am not one way or the other on Koetter…I do know the problem is not coaching….it is attitude and execution of the 53
December 10th, 2017 at 11:23 am
I’ve written this a lot…
Success comes from trying to do something better.
It never comes from trying NOT to do something.
It’s the equivalent of the concept of playing to win rather than playing not to lose.
Jameis is a crazy, improvisational maestro when he’s cut loose. He is the embodiment of a guy who would have stat lines of 450yds 4 TDS and 2INTs in many games if cut loose and allowed to play like HE plays.
Koetter has obviously reigned him and the entire offense in purely in the interest of NOT making bad plays. Everyone is saying, “Hey Jameis, make all of those amazing plays we know you can… but do it with handcuffs on in a much more controlled offense and just focus on not turning over the football.”
If that’s what the Bucs wanted, why did they draft Jameis? Don’t buy a Ferrari if your main interest is child safety features in a car.
Jameis is 23. He needs to be freer and needs to be able to make mistakes on his terms because two things will happen… his confidence will soar and he will learn from his mistakes that he is making his way. He’s 23 and super talented. Over time the big/good plays will increase and the mistakes will decrease.
I can only imagine where the Bucs would be right now if they had a braver coach, who was more imaginative, and who actually understood what type of QB he had.
December 10th, 2017 at 11:24 am
Yikes. I figured a 6-10 finish would buy Koetter 1 more year to get it right, but this report is pretty damning. I do like Koetter but my confidence in him is slowly dwindling by the day. With 4 games left to play none of them are gonna be easy and you have to figure by at least not splitting the remaining games and finishing strong Koetter is as good as gone. Sucks that we find ourselves in this same situation as Bucs fans but if we don’t get Gruden then where do we go from there?
December 10th, 2017 at 11:24 am
it does not mattter who they keep or fire… no one with any credibility would come to this circus of a franchise with no desire to compete at a high level much less try to win consistently
there are high school jobs in Texas and junior college jobs in the south that carry way more prestige than coaching for the pathetic buc organization ran by the glazer clowns. Tampa is not a desirable destination for any professional football exec, coach nor player… It’s worse than Cleveland at least people care enough to make fun of the browns hell the bucs are the most irrelevant sports franchise in the united states. reality sucks optimists but is accurate. this franchise will never win another game that matters.
December 10th, 2017 at 11:24 am
This just means that we will not have good football in Tampa for another five years, if then. New coaches, new players, new qb, new systems, new hair for Joe, so what’s to become of us?????????????
Well, we do have the best hockey in the world.
December 10th, 2017 at 11:26 am
I Can sit at a bar and call our plays. Heck opposing teams are calling our offense an open playbook. And when somebody of you uneducated clowns want to blame Jamie’s for an offense that every defense knows where they ball is going to go, you show your own stupidity. Want to know why our teams ya can’t is so bad? Cause every defense knows what’s being run. But yeah that’s all Jamie’s fault, he calls the plays too apparently.
December 10th, 2017 at 11:27 am
new coaches just gives more free passes and excuses to the career losing holdovers like martin, cancer93 and dotson the undisputed core of the losing culture led by cancer93 and his dolls.
December 10th, 2017 at 11:29 am
@Dewey… LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 10th, 2017 at 11:29 am
Staffers inside One Buc have been seeing this train wreck of a relationship sour since hard knocks when Dirk contiually embarrassed Jameis ( in his mind). People have been taking sides for weeks. With Dirks assts. even privately telling Jameis they are on his side.
December 10th, 2017 at 11:31 am
Trade Jameis now, there will be someone that thinks they can turn him around.
Pick up a couple high draft choices. Trade Evans, again, pick up high draft choices.
Fire the DC and load up on D players in the draft. Add a good running back and start over. Maybe Chicago will give us our old back up QB, back and eat some of the pay, take Jameis and give us two firsts and a 2nd.
December 10th, 2017 at 11:32 am
The Atlanta Falcons announced a five-year extension for team president and chief executive officer Rich McKay through June 2022.
McKay, the key figure in the construction of the $1.53 billion Mercedes-Benz Stadium scheduled to open this summer, is entering his 14th season with the Falcons. He joined the organization in 2004 as the team’s president and general manager. He also serves as president of AMB Sports & Entertainment, part of owner Arthur Blank’s family-owned businesses.
“Rich has been so important to our businesses and Atlanta’s growth for many years,” AMB Group CEO Steve Cannon said in a statement. “We are thrilled to extend his contract with the Falcons and AMB Sports & Entertainment. He has been instrumental in the success of the Atlanta Falcons on and off the field and has played a very important role in making Mercedes-Benz Stadium a reality, and in bringing Major League Soccer to Atlanta. Rich is a great champion of our core values and will continue to be a strong leader in our organization and community for years to come.”
Rich Mckay is one happy camper
He’s a big man in Atlanta
December 10th, 2017 at 11:33 am
Coach killer
December 10th, 2017 at 11:37 am
Why hasn’t the Bucs committed to Jason Licht like Arthur Blank has to Rich McKay? The answer is simple, they has doubts about Licht. The doubts are so serious. They haven’t even picked up his 5th year option.
December 10th, 2017 at 11:43 am
Rich Mckay is a good businessman not a talent evaluator. he and dungy could not build an offense a pop warner coach would proud off. being a good executive is far from being a good gm… mckay like dungy failed. 2 playoff wins in 6 years with that defense and their inability to understand football well enough to put a competent offense on the field wasted 99,55 and 47… you can not rewrite history because you like the past. mckay and dungy failed miserably.
December 10th, 2017 at 11:48 am
lakeland
no matter how much you try and give those fools credit they failed. raise your standards 2 playoff wins in 6 years is laughable at best – hardly glory years. brady has more super bowl appearances than bucs have playoff victories for the entire franchise. dungy coached scared and mckay would not recognize an offensive player if walter payton was sitting in his lap.
December 10th, 2017 at 11:50 am
Tmaxcon
Rich McKay is a smart businessman, that’s what Arthur Blank love about him. But the Glazers should have seen those qualities in him also.
December 10th, 2017 at 11:51 am
How could there possibly be friction between Jaboo and Mr. Stick Carrier. Ice Cream Man only allows positivity in the locker room, so this must be Fake News.
December 10th, 2017 at 11:57 am
It is a good thing this isn’t a 4 o’clock start….
December 10th, 2017 at 11:57 am
DEWEY!!!!!
December 10th, 2017 at 12:02 pm
Tony from LA Jameis has continually proven he does not learn from his mistakes and does not take accountability for his actions.
December 10th, 2017 at 12:06 pm
lakeland
bucs need to move forward not go back to the past. that’s all i am saying. living in the past is easy and familiar and not so scary but never works. bucs need an offensive head coach with a solid young d coordinator and they need to ship cnacer93 off to a new doll house. but it’s irrelevant glazer clowns have proven they are incapable of knowing what to do or making a good guess.
December 10th, 2017 at 12:08 pm
Glazers need a president
December 10th, 2017 at 12:12 pm
I could see Winston developing into a coach killing QB. He needs to be smarter then this. Can’t talk to a reporter about this.
It could be that Koetter is predictable because of the lack of ability to trust the QB can not perform what is needed or it could be the QB can and Koetter is just in over his head as a coach. We will never know because we are not in the meetings or conversations. But what i do know is that any coach that may be interested in this team as their next landing spot will file this report in the back of their head.
December 10th, 2017 at 12:15 pm
If the Bucs offense is simple, basic and predictable is because Koetter has given Jameis as much as he can absorb and understand.
Jameis Winston – NFL head coach killer
December 10th, 2017 at 12:15 pm
Jameis is saying what everyone has been saying all year but now he’s the bad guy?
December 10th, 2017 at 12:20 pm
Trade a QB with the POTENTIAL franchise QB and established elite reciever for draft picks that are graded solely on POTENTIAL. Trade Evans???? God we have the dumbest fan base in Tampa!
December 10th, 2017 at 12:20 pm
McKay not the GM. Comparison to Licht irrelevent
December 10th, 2017 at 12:21 pm
Jw be like …. F that positive policy
December 10th, 2017 at 12:29 pm
Team Glazer will fire the person who has the most years remaining on their contract, thereby paying that person not to coach/play. That’s just the way they roll. #PaidFloridaVacation #GlazerLootIsTheBest
December 10th, 2017 at 12:29 pm
Some if not most of you people are really really slow. Like hillbilly in the woods slow…oh wait….!
December 10th, 2017 at 12:33 pm
DB is a name caller…rather than posting opinion or analysis
December 10th, 2017 at 12:35 pm
For those of you who complain of a vanilla offense, you ever stop and think, why? Why is the play calling so predictable? Ever considered that it may be because of Winston’s inability to grasp the playbook in it’s entirety. That maybe Koetter can’t expand because of Winston’s slow progression? Instead of all the knee jerk reactions to blame Koetter maybe Winston should own most of the blame.
December 10th, 2017 at 12:35 pm
Glazers need to do the right thing. Fire the loser Dirk Koetter
December 10th, 2017 at 12:36 pm
Wtf, moderation for what? You suck, Joe
December 10th, 2017 at 12:46 pm
Go get Josh McDaniels we don’t need Gruden we need someone with the play calling that McDaniels brings to the table. We have the TE’s that his offense plays with we have the WR’s that he needs. All he has to do is go get a competent DC to run the defense whether its 34 or 43..
December 10th, 2017 at 12:50 pm
The Bucs have the 31st ranked defense. Only the Giants are worse. Defenses that bad effect offense. Giants blamed Eli but their D is 32 and that’s why they aren’t winning the end.
December 10th, 2017 at 12:52 pm
Altered=triggered
December 10th, 2017 at 12:57 pm
Sloooooooooooooooooooowwwww
DB55 Says:
November 9th, 2017 at 2:06 pm
OH
I’ve been saying that Winston is NOT Koetter’s Qb for months now. Koetter likes pure pocket qbs like Matty Ice. So he has a type and truly believes his playbook is NOT antiquated. He thinks that he’s been developing Griffin the way ALL nfl qbs should be develop by sitting on the bench for 3 years and learning. But unfortunately he’s wrong, way wrong.
Consider Koetter was winning with 7-8 a year with David Garrard but knew he could do better so he drafted Blaine Gabbert who has won a total of 9 games 3 seasons.
So yea once again out with the (cough cough) *old* qb and in with the (cough cough) *new* qb who will execute his playbook cuz they’re “smart”.
What he doesn’t realize is that his playbook is ineffective and will only generate wins if 3/4 skill players are pro bowlers or hof’ers.
Anyway wtfdik I’m sure Koetter can get Griffin to run circles around Jameis. Cuz Jameis is a stupid monkey who is a thug and can’t hit the side of a barn. The same Jameis that hadn’t loss a game since pop-warner before he came to this cesspool of self-righteous confederate flag flying ged failing meth heads. But wtf do I know
December 10th, 2017 at 12:57 pm
I”m more certain than the sun rising tomorrow which of these two the players in the locker room would rally behind.
December 10th, 2017 at 12:58 pm
I can see both sides….Koetter calls the game based on what gives them the best probability of success. He has to factor in Winston’s knack for turnovers….Stats will show, you drop Winston back 35+ times…you win less then 30% of the time.
Winston wants to play the game wide open…he believes he’s got the ability. Losing always exposes frustrations. IMO…Koetter just doesn’t have the “alpha male” personality to coach Winston. I think he’ll do better in a different system with a different coach.
December 10th, 2017 at 12:59 pm
DD…like I said…
December 10th, 2017 at 1:19 pm
It’s a buc life
December 10th, 2017 at 1:43 pm
The facts are:
The Bucs has been trash since Rich McKay left
Three trash GMs since McKay
Arthur Blank promoted Rich McKay
From GM to President/CEO
Rich McKay is Chairman of the NFL Competition Committee
It must be nice to leave the Cesspool of Tampa
And move on to higher things
December 10th, 2017 at 1:44 pm
@tmaxcon … “mckay and dungy failed miserably. no matter how much you try and give those fools credit they failed. raise your standards 2 playoff wins in 6 years is laughable at best – hardly glory years.”
Why do you do stuff like this tmaxcon? You get all the animals at the JBF zoo all riled up, then they start hootin’ & hollerin’ & banging on their cages. And before anyone knows what happened, Joe has to intervene, praise Jameis yet again, and it starts all over again.
Rich McKay & Tony Dungy did NOT ‘fail miserably’. Quite the contrary. Tony’s record in his 6 years here: 54-42 (56.3 winning %) PLUS 6 playoff games over 4 seasons (2 wins). Jon Gruden’s record in his 7 years here: 57-55 (50.9 winning %) PLUS 5 playoff games over 3 seasons (3 wins including SB). Do you REALLY think tmaxcon that Gruden would’ve won the 2002 SB without the #1 NFL defense supporting Gruden’s #18 offense?
December 10th, 2017 at 2:12 pm
Who’s the main culprit if a play is called and you have a guy wide open and the throw is off not by just a foot but several feet to a wide open receiver. Who again is responsible for looking at a WR from before the snap thru the snap all the way until at the last moment there is a pass to that same receiver. I agree that Mr. Winston has talent but accuracy is not one of his talents. Not every play called works this is the NFL, but when you have receivers wide open and you do not hit on that play who is at fault. The play caller or the play executioner? How about if your passing for a first down needing 7 yards and you throw it into double or triple coverage 17 yards down the field when there is a receiver open at 9 yards and a first down. Who is responsible for that choice? The play caller or the play executioner? Everyone wants the big play coaches & players, who takes the blame when those plays do not work? The coach right?
December 10th, 2017 at 2:19 pm
yep….and compare ball location on Stafford to Winston on completions…
December 10th, 2017 at 2:20 pm
The tmax philosophy: when times are tough..pack it up and quit on your team.
Go Bucs!
December 10th, 2017 at 2:21 pm
The Tampa Bay Buccaneers 11 seasons before Rich McKay
45-130 Record
The Tampa Bay Buccaneers 9 seasons with Rich McKay
80-64 Record
The Tampa Bay Buccaneers 14 seasons after Rich McKay
87-133
December 10th, 2017 at 2:35 pm
DB55
Who’s triggered now? LOL
December 10th, 2017 at 2:38 pm
🙂 Jorge
December 10th, 2017 at 2:40 pm
“Do you REALLY think tmaxcon that Gruden would’ve won the 2002 SB without the #1 NFL defense supporting Gruden’s #18 offense?”
No way in hell. Gruden should give a shout-out to Dungy during his Ring of Honor ceremony Monday night.
December 10th, 2017 at 2:55 pm
Jaemis straight outta the trash can Winston
December 10th, 2017 at 4:46 pm
Just finished watching the game. How many freaking times do the hard working good money paying people of Tampa Bay have to watch this( team ?) crumble at the end of the game ? I love this team but every week its the same ol Sh?t.Its unbelievable.I rip my guts out every week with this team.Maybe its time for me to step back .The definition of insanity is continuing to do the same thing over and over expecting different results.How long has it been since the bucs sniffed the playoffs ? 2007 Right. This is starting to rival the Culverhouse era.Smart enough to realize that team winning continuity is rare but 5 years in the playoffs in the last eighteen years come on !!!
December 10th, 2017 at 4:50 pm
It’s easy: Koetter and JW3 don’t fit to each other. Whether we should get a new coach or we should trade Winston to give Koetter a QB he is able to work with.
December 10th, 2017 at 4:52 pm
Hey the pat Riley of football is available to coach .
December 10th, 2017 at 4:55 pm
The season started out great with hard Knocks and sound bites.now its a bite you don’t want to eat!
December 10th, 2017 at 6:00 pm
The Glazers are garbage.