Friction Is Good
December 14th, 2017
NFL history suggests friction is normal between a QB and coach.
So, yeah, the NFL world is still buzzing from Ian Rapoport reporting Sunday on NFL Network that there is rancor between America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, and Bucs coach Dirk Koetter.
The more Joe looks at this, the more Joe thinks, “Big flipping deal!”
Exactly what quarterback is not irked by his head coach and/or offensive coordinator in some way? Tom Brady lashes out at Patriots assistants on the sidelines. Rich Gannon once admitted when he worked on SiriusXM NFL Radio that he cussed out Chucky in the middle of a game and screamed at Chucky, “Will you shut the f— up!”
Terry Bradshaw was barely on speaking terms with Chuck Noll and once begged Al Davis to trade for him and get him out of Pittsburgh. Phil Simms and Bill Parcells tangled frequently, often in the middle of games. Roger Staubach bristled under Tom Landry. Bart Starr once chewed out Vince Lombardi in Lombardi’s own office. Joe Montana and Steve Young both were fed up with Bill Walsh and his mind games. John Elway and Dan Reeves were hardly drinking buddies. Joe could go on.
So the more Joe thinks about this, this alleged friction between Koetter and Jameis – which both publicly denied exists – Joe thinks this is a subject that is totally blown out of proportion.
If Jameis and Koetter got along perfectly, to Joe, that would signal something not quite right.
December 14th, 2017 at 7:31 am
Agreed
December 14th, 2017 at 7:36 am
Anyone who is passionate about what they do will get caught up in the heat of the moment…….that’s how accidents happen and then 9 months later you have a baby……..lol
December 14th, 2017 at 7:53 am
If the Glazers decide to part ways with Koetter, why not send someone up to talk to Belecheat? Why not see what it would take him to move south. What more can he possibly do in NE? They can afford it. Just a respectable request to see if he is happy wearing a hoody the rest of his life, or maybe it’s time for shorts and flip flops??
Go big or go home!!!
December 14th, 2017 at 8:24 am
its good only if it works.
December 14th, 2017 at 8:25 am
Joe, with all due respect, you are comparing great men like Montana, Young, Elway, Simms, etc. with Winston? There is one major failing in that argument and that is that Jameis is a punk. He was a well known punk in college and nothing has changed in the NFL. His maturity on and off the field is zero. So in the case of dealing with punks, friction is not good, but incarceration is.
December 14th, 2017 at 8:28 am
Rich Gannon was winning 63% of his games with Chucky
Tom Brady is the GOAT and has won 5 Superbowls
Bradshaw won 4 Superbowls with Noll
Phill Simms and Bill Parcels Won a Superbowl in which Simms was the MVP
Staubach won 2 Superbowls with Landry
Starr Won 2 Superbowls with Lombardi
Montana & Young Argued With Walsh While winning 3 Superbowls.
The Biggest accomplishments Koetter and Winston have are
Winston was selected as an Alternate for a ProBowl
Koetter had 1 season in which he had a winning record.
all the while winning only 40% of their games There is no comparison here Evel Knievel wouldn’t attempt to make such a large leap
December 14th, 2017 at 8:36 am
Webster defines ‘friction’ as “the clashing between two persons or parties of opposed views.” Like you Joe, I think Rapoport’s reporting was no ‘big flipping deal’. Do the two of them have the same views on everything? Of course not; no two people ever do. But that doesn’t mean that they’re constantly ‘clashing’. If anything, I wish Jameis … as the offensive leader on the field … would be more aggressive in terms of changing plays. All of us have seen far too many plays executed by this offense that didn’t have a prayer of being successful as soon as the ball was snapped.
December 14th, 2017 at 8:37 am
What did koetter ever do good at?
He is making winston gabbert 2.0
“My son is better than Goff and we want klueless out and a coach that will help not go backwards”
Antoine Lavar Winston
December 14th, 2017 at 8:41 am
Stats are for losers
Jameis has not won a football game in 75 days
December 14th, 2017 at 8:55 am
Jameis needs to keep his ears open and his mouth shut and let these coaches teach him how to play QB in the NFL. At this point he is no better than average and needs to work hard and learn much
December 14th, 2017 at 8:56 am
the difference between those coaches and this situation is that those were all proven coaches with proven qb’s….they had all been thru the playoffs together….they were all season vets….
brady aint start pulling this until a had a ring or two….please find me an situation when a qb such as brady or Montana or bradshaw or any other qb ripped their coach in their 3rd year in the league….
this is a big deal because they haven’t been together that long and WE’RE LOSING!!!!!
GO BUCS!!!!
December 14th, 2017 at 8:57 am
@ BB…..and his fingers out of his mouth
December 14th, 2017 at 8:59 am
BrianBucs Says:
December 14th, 2017 at 8:55 am
Jameis needs to keep his ears open and his mouth shut and let these coaches teach him how to play QB in the NFL
obviously, what these coaches are teaching him aint working because he’s regressed….this entire team has regressed under dirk and smitty….he knows it….players know it….fans know it….GO BUCS!!!!
December 14th, 2017 at 9:08 am
Koetter is coaching the Magic out of Jameis.
If Jameis weren’t so talented and strong willed, He would probably already be the next Blaine Gabbert.
Get Koetter the F outta here.
December 14th, 2017 at 9:08 am
I haven’t seen any passionate outbursts from Dirk out Jameis like what you describe above, if there is friction it’s been quiet and likely kept behind closed doors where it may be stewing. That said, our record is bad and this team is underperforming. Everyone should be mad at everyone on this team. It has been a failure at all levels in all three phases at some point this season. If there isn’t friction it’s because they don’t care enough to be upset.
December 14th, 2017 at 9:09 am
Maybe it worked for all of Joe’s Super Bowl winner examples because they were winning, something the Bucs aren’t.
December 14th, 2017 at 9:29 am
Koetter needs to go. Jameis and this team have too much talent to suck this bad.
December 14th, 2017 at 9:32 am
The jameis magic he displayed is gone like his rookie years vs philly and last year against kc at kc
The qb coaching is pathetic. His footwork, delievery, arm motion and pocket awareness has regressed terribly. Jameis needs a total rebuild on all his fundamentals with a proven nfl experienced qb coach…another season with koetter and the fratboy qb coaches will destroy jameis
Son of Kobe Faker
December 14th, 2017 at 9:35 am
Think you have a point there. Jameis used to run and make plays (when needed). Anyone remember the 20-yard run for a first down against Atlanta when he was a rookie? How many times the past two years have you seen Jameis start to run for a first down, and it is as if an invisible leash was pulled on him and he ran out of rope?
December 14th, 2017 at 9:38 am
Can’t blame footwork and mechanics on anyone but #3…he has been coached properly….he does not follow coaching…that is abundantly clear….he should not even have to be told proper technique….he is a PROFESSIONAL QB and watches a ton of film and should understand the basics of throwing a football properly
December 14th, 2017 at 9:51 am
Every year brady has gone to his personal qb coach to go over his basic fundamentals. Most mistakes occur because of bad mechanics
Another year with koetter and his flawed coaching will be learned behavior and will take longer to “coach the dirk” out of jameis
Son of Kobe Faker
December 14th, 2017 at 9:51 am
That’s what she said
December 14th, 2017 at 9:55 am
@alter
Winston is following exactly what the coaches are teaching him and that’s the problem…..these coaches are incompetent and in over their head….
we have a qb coach coaching Winston that is unqualified….this is not the coach that will get Winston to the next level in his development….lovie got killed for having unqualified coaches coaching the DB’s….the same thing is happening under dirk with Winston…..
now people want to give dirk more time when they have proven they are in over their head and unqualified to coach a player of winstons caliber….
consistency only works if your consistency winning…..we have been consistently finding ways to lose this year and that’s an indictment on this coaching staff…..they are outcoaches every single week….
get this unqualified incompetent coaching staff out of here before they ruin the franchise….GO BUCS!!!!
December 14th, 2017 at 9:57 am
Another year with koetter and his flawed coaching will be learned behavior and will take longer to “coach the dirk” out of jameis
^^BINGO^^
AMEN TO THAT!!!!!!!
GO BUCS!!!!
December 14th, 2017 at 10:04 am
“NFL World is still buzzing.” lol. That is some serious hyperbole there, nice job on exceptionally overestimating how much people care about the Bucs outside of Tampa
December 14th, 2017 at 10:06 am
@813
The nfl is a copycat league. Glazer boys going to copy what made rams and philly successful with their qbs and teams
This bucs offseason the new word we will all here is “new scheme”
December 14th, 2017 at 10:10 am
Thank you Altered Ego. #3 has had NFL quality coaching at least in camps since he was in grade school. Think FSU has connections to QB Gurus…and #3 is now in his third year as a franchise QB. He has his OWN QB guru for the off season.
The technical aspects of this have nothing to do with Koetter or any Buc coach.
The play calling is something else. As to whether Koetter has coached the run out of #3 that’s a stretch as well. He’s not having trouble once he decides to run…he’s having trouble when he refuses to give up on the possibility of a pass or some miracle play like a shovel pass to Doug Martin with two DL dangling from you.
December 14th, 2017 at 10:25 am
How about Big Ben not getting along with Todd Haley
December 14th, 2017 at 10:40 am
This. Joes, quit talking about Rappaport and Russo like they have credibility on this subject. So what if there’s friction. People that love eahc other yell at each other and have friction. Nothing to see here.
December 14th, 2017 at 10:48 am
How many times the past two years have you seen Jameis start to run for a first down, and it is as if an invisible leash was pulled on him and he ran out of rope?
Too many. I’ve also noticed that Jameis was hesitating to roll out early on this season. Despite him being the best QB outside of the pocket last season. And a distinct lack of the fantastic Superman dives for Touchdowns that he had in his Rookie year.
December 14th, 2017 at 11:19 am
StPeteBucsFan Says:
December 14th, 2017 at 10:10 am
Thank you Altered Ego. #3 has had NFL quality coaching at least in camps since he was in grade school. Think FSU has connections to QB Gurus
you mean the man who coaches jamarcus Russell?….or Christian ponder?….or ej manuel?….don’t tell me your talking about that guru…..he’s another coach that never developed talent…..offensively beside freeman, Winston and KB who is playing at a high level from that fsu national champ team?….GO BUCS!!!!
December 14th, 2017 at 12:48 pm
They’re losing. A lot. They should be angry at each other and they should be angry at themselves. If they were all sunshine and rainbows in the middle of consistent failure then that would be cause for concern.
December 14th, 2017 at 3:32 pm
@stpete
Playcalling is coaching
Putting the right player in position with the correct route at that correct down and distance
December 14th, 2017 at 3:39 pm
OJ isolated on 1 side doing a easy out pattern is a high probable td
Why did it take so long? We should be doubling our red zone efficiency
Slants and crossing patterns allow less interceptions and gets the ball out of jameis hands
Hump should be cut and replaced by Godwin yesterday and drugie should be benched
Licht beer has given klueless enough weapons for koetter to design and call
Playcalling is coaching
December 14th, 2017 at 5:21 pm
Weak comparisons to legendary figures like Noll and Brady. Of course it wasn’t a big deal when those guys got fired up because they managed to suck it up prepare well for the next game and produce wins which heals all.
This is a bigger deal because there are obvisous changes that need to take place for this team to even look competitive, let alone produce wins. This team isn’t any closer to being competitive then when Dirk took over. We are headed in the wrong direction……Let’s face it the team Dirk took over was not one that needed to be rebuilt. We had plenty of pieces in place and a solid direction would be yielding results………It was mentioned in week 5 or so that we lacked any identity……….Are we any closer to having that identity established? Should it take a HC 3 seasons to establish an identity for a team that was expected to win?
December 14th, 2017 at 5:27 pm
So, what is it then? Are they at odds? Is that ok now? Because since the rumor came out you’ve been going out of your way to insist everything is alright – which is apparently not ok now? I too subscribe to the idea that their personal feelings towards one another are mostly immaterial to Wins/Losses, but it feels like you’re trying to have it both ways.