Does Koetter Deserve It?
December 31st, 2017
Bad gamble?
Man, it seems Bucs coach Dirk Koetter may be the most hated man in the Tampa Bay area the way many Bucs fans are freaking out after word leaked that Team Glazer will retain Koetter for the 2018 season.
You would have thought Koetter dry-humped a tree on national television or failed to run for 100 yards in a game for over two calendar years.
Jenna Laine of ESPN seems to feel for this upset mob of Bucs fans. She typed a piece wondering if Koetter deserved another chance.
His offense has been stagnant from a points-scoring standpoint, averaging between 18 to 20 offensive points per game for the three years he’s been calling plays in Tampa. Yes, some of that boils down to execution and that part is on the players. But he’s also struggled with clock management, even with a designated game-management assistant, and it’s impacted his ability to call plays, a belief that is held by some within the organization.
His red zone package has also come under scrutiny. He’d be wise to get more input from his staff in this department as multiple assistant coaches around the league believe that it’s one of the more predictable ones in the league. He admitted at the end of last season that he was seriously considering giving up playcalling duties to focus more of this time and energy on being a head coach. He continued to call plays in 2017, though.
His staff also has struggled with in-game adjustments on both sides of the ball and often didn’t make the necessary ones until it was too late, if at all. It was telling that they attempted 14 different coverages in Week 12 in an attempt to stop Julio Jones, and the Atlanta Falcons receiver still finished the game with 12 catches for 253 receiving yards and two touchdowns. The following week, the Minnesota Vikings had Xavier Rhodes on Jones for much of the game and Rhodes held him to two catches for 24 receiving yards.
Joe is convinced it all came down to America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston. It’s why Koetter was hired in the first place. And easily, the Bucs as a franchise, have much more invested in the development of Jameis than any other employee. It’s not even close.
Given how Jameis has been sizzling this month (yes, sans the fumbles), it showed that Koetter is bringing Jameis along quite nicely, even if Koetter should never have panicked and played Jameis when he was hurt. A lot of owners would have launched Koetter for that reason alone.
Do the Bucs need work? Of course. Can Koetter coach better? Sure. It’s not like Koetter is clueless. For those with attention spans of a housefly, Koetter, without a running game and with only one receiver and a second-year quarterback, got the Bucs to a cat’s whisker of a playoff berth. Joe believes that should count for something. He’s neither inept Lovie Smith nor Greg Schiano nor Raheem Morris.
“This Joe” is and was of the mind that Koetter had built up enough street cred to be given a chance to fix things. It was the season from hell beginning with offsides-jumping, belly shirt-wearing, practice-hating, kicker-heckling, tree-grinding , non-contact-football-loving, chicken-wings-grilling, playing-time-squawking, TV-cooking-star, half-sack Swaggy Baker having tree sex in public, then a hurricane, and then having his starting quarterback hurt, to Swaggy nearly get his grill blasted for being a cancer.
December 31st, 2017 at 8:12 am
With the news that the Raiders are looking to get Chucky back if he is available, there is even less justification for the Glazers making another bonehead move and keeping this incompetent over-his-head loser. I hope all the Bucs fans will enjoy another 4 or 5 win season as the pain continues in Tampa. But, hey, think of the high draft pick! See, it’s not so bad… NOT!
100% totally disgusted. I’m done with this trash team and this moron coach.
December 31st, 2017 at 8:15 am
If you’re done with this team now you clearly weren’t a fan to begin with. See ya.
December 31st, 2017 at 8:22 am
I hope I’m wrong but I think not getting Gruden was the wrong move. I just don’t like how Koetter has not played to Jameis strengths and for a major part of the season he is trying to force Jameis into pocket passer. Also how much of the offense’s calls were vanilla. Red zone offense was just bad. Maybe he needs to get an offenseive coordinator. Also stand up and call Smith out when he can’t adjust his defense to a player like Jones! Go Bucs!
December 31st, 2017 at 8:23 am
Espo: FYI my first season ticket was at the Big Sombrero in 1991 and I have been a steadfast devotee. What is the point of suffering along with this band of bozos after they keep what is arguably the worst current HC in the league?
Read my lips and etch this on your crystal ball(s):
Koetter has zero chance of surviving next season and Jameis will go down as the most talented bust in league history given his massive immaturity on and off the field.
Enjoy living at the bottom of the NFC South. I’m done, and hope to NOT see you.
December 31st, 2017 at 8:28 am
DK deserves another chance, but he needs to make changes. He needs to stop calling plays and his clock management has a lot to be desired (that might improve if someone else was calling plays). If anyone should have been fired it’s Mike Smith and Jason Licht.
December 31st, 2017 at 8:28 am
Heh. ‘This Joe’.
Can tell the differing opinions are bleeding through, lol.
For what it is worth, I’m with this one.
So far as Koetter giving up playcalling duties? Not gonna willingly do it. He’s got one year to prove himself. No way does he put his fate in an unknown quantity in what could be his last year.
And if it is forced on him and fails, it would not be his fault, right? That would justify another year. No…he’s keeping them.
December 31st, 2017 at 8:32 am
Never understood the connection to JW. What is so special with the DK-JW relationship? Who says this relationship is good and beneficial for the bucs? did we see the progress we hoped for? Are we winning games? are we scoring points?
Why is it a fact that JW will not be able to develop a good relationship with another coach? Who the f*k is JW? Is he Wentz? is he Garroppolo? is he Drew Breese in the making? What was so amazing this year offensively, with all the weapons, that we absolutely cannot live without?
Is it the 8 points per first half? is it digging a hole in each game just to get excited by another failing comeback?
It’s like JW is a complete lunatic that only DK can get to him or something.
December 31st, 2017 at 8:33 am
The browns will make the playoffs before us now,,,, lol God we suck….. bad bad bad move.
December 31st, 2017 at 8:37 am
So we now learn that Gruden was not even considered. WTF??????????
Wake up Tampa, this team has officially gone full retard!
December 31st, 2017 at 8:38 am
It is a convergent of two groups of Buc fans!!!! One group of Buc fans just love anything new!!!!! From free agents, to coaches and/or front office!!!! the other group that is upset, are the tampa2 mafia and lovie loyalist!!!!!! They are just mainly noise!!!! Most that I have encountered are very happy with staying the course!!!!!! Those in the know watch this team and see the deficiency in the trenches!!!!!!!!
Fix that and the “in-game adjustments’ and “play-calling” will suddenly be fixed!!!!!!!!
Go Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 31st, 2017 at 8:39 am
Doesn’t deserve a damn thing. Need to put Licht in there too. 2 DL picks in 4 years. It’s weird the DL sucks! At least use some of the picks in the 5-7 rounds on DL hell he cuts all those players he picked.
December 31st, 2017 at 8:43 am
Fix the players they wanted…fix the play-callling and fix adjustments? If this coaching staff and GM could fix it…it wouldn’t need fixing!
Koetter has been here 3 years and the RedZone offense still sucks!! Guess who has called the plays for those 3 years.
December 31st, 2017 at 8:44 am
What “street-cred”? you talk about accountability. Where is the coach’s accountability? Is he being held accountable by the media? how come we still don’t have a clue why DM22 is playing? Why isn’t Koetter being held accountable for that? 2 ypc player. why?
He said it was the “game plan”. where was the following question? let me help you: “WHY? why did you game plan for the worst rb in the league touch the ball in the second half as the primary back? WHY?”
Playing DM22 had cost us the playoffs last year. It was dumb to put him back in there back then even. This year is inexcusable. You said it yourself. There must be a reason. You called ESPN “fraud” for not asking a question about rumors that might have been bogus. Our coach acts like he deliberately want us to lose and you don’t chase it??
C’mon, dude. Joe’s written dozens of times about the nonsense of playing Doug Martin, let alone having him on the roster this season.–Joe
December 31st, 2017 at 8:57 am
Of course I can understand the Glazers not being able to pay Chucky $10 million. They had to give $9 million to Swaggy.
The mike is dropped. BuckAnEar has left the building forever. Goodbye Sucks, thanks for wasting 26 years of my life.
December 31st, 2017 at 8:57 am
I’m not sure why Dirk gets so much credit for Winston, Winston only has some yardage stats to be proud of. Winston wants to win games, he’s won at every level up to the pros.
Maybe just maybe Winston would be happier with playoff appearances, playoff wins and Superbowls.
Jenna was on point with all of Dirk’s flaws, we’ve seen it every week, that isn’t a recipe for winning regular season games, I can only imagine the play calling and game management if Dirk was to coach a playoff game, the opposition would be licking their chops.
I do however believe that Dirk was brought back because of Jameis, but not because of his performance on the field but because of the Uber debacle. Glazers don’t want to bring a new HC in to deal with a possible 6 game suspension the first year as a HC , that would not be fair to him nor would it measure progress if Winston is suspended.
So us fans have nothing to look forward to the draft, again.
December 31st, 2017 at 8:58 am
Does The Dirk even want another year? He appeared to be in way over his head much of the time….scared…confused…giving up oftentimes. Keeping him is like keeping a manager of a business that is hemorrhaging cash…yet using the logic…”we want things to stay the same-we want consistency!” The consistency/continuity clown club that has formed will hopefully be OK with another year wasted/double digit losing season.
December 31st, 2017 at 8:58 am
*but the draft.
December 31st, 2017 at 9:04 am
Short answer: No
Long answer: hell no
December 31st, 2017 at 9:11 am
Yes, good call to keep Koetter. He does “deserve” one more year. But the factor isn’t about developing Jameis as much as it was the uncertainty of Jameis with his Uber situation. No good HC candidate would come in and take a job here not knowing if Winston will be suspended. No good HC knowingly walks into a job with controversy that he can’t control.
December 31st, 2017 at 9:12 am
He’s also learning how to be a HC. That takes time too.
December 31st, 2017 at 9:16 am
Go Bucs
December 31st, 2017 at 9:18 am
So the first thing I wrote doesn’t get posted…? Hmmm…
It’s like that for everyone. It’s moderated.–Joe
December 31st, 2017 at 9:23 am
The only world in which keeping Dirk was a good idea is in fantasy land where most of us Bucs fans spend the offseason dreaming. The truth is no one is gonna want to come play for a lame duck coach and staff on a loosing team. Face it. Same coach. Same qb same players. Same 4-12 and Chubbs ain’t Dixon all that hot mess.
December 31st, 2017 at 9:25 am
Well long story short:
BuckAnEar is a Bandwagon fan (he’ll be back).
The defense didn’t live up to the hype. Injuries and lack of player production played a progression played a part.
Koetter is explains it best, we’re 2-7 this year in games decided by less than a touchdown. Last year, 5-3 or 5-4.
Lastly, Go Bucs!
December 31st, 2017 at 9:26 am
All the “Koetter should get another year” fans and media are, for some reason, quick to throw Mike Smith under the bus. For some reason Smith does not survive the double standards of fans and media. The only reason Koetter is still here is the defense showing up late last year. Offense did close to nothing to help them out. You said offense had no weapons so Koetter got excused. No Smith has 0 pass rushers, 1 rd pick cb looks like a nickel at best (when he’s playing), safeties are nothing to write about back home, middle linebacker gets injured first game (?) and slow to regain shape but Smith is to blame for everything and canning him will solve everything. This is so stupid. Please Joe, let’s hear what you have to say about the points I just made.
The firing thresholds for an HC and a DC are different. It’s why the coordinators have a shorter shelf life across the NFL, not just in Tampa.–Joe
December 31st, 2017 at 9:26 am
Some buc fans are idiots. Some of the posters on this thread prove that.
December 31st, 2017 at 9:35 am
See what “this Joe” misses is many of these “issues” would have been fixed by a real coach. Baker should have had his fat a** benched or cut, Doug Martin should have been benched or cut, we should have tailored the offense to our talent, we should have not been rotating players in the secondary and offensive line to create some continuity. But I guess alll these issues are just going to go away.
December 31st, 2017 at 9:42 am
Good chance at going o for the Division today.
let the good times roll baby.
December 31st, 2017 at 9:45 am
Koetter is in many ways like Dungy.
December 31st, 2017 at 9:47 am
The “Buzzards” are circling.
December 31st, 2017 at 9:49 am
Bobby… and in most ways, he isn’t at all like Tony. In many ways I’m like Tony as well…so are you.
December 31st, 2017 at 10:01 am
Clueless Koetter, Drug Martin, and McCoy the Ice Cream man.
I love this site.
December 31st, 2017 at 10:07 am
The Buc Realist Says:
December 31st, 2017 at 8:38 am
It is a convergent of two groups of Buc fans!!!! One group of Buc fans just love anything new!!!!! From free agents, to coaches and/or front office!!!! the other group that is upset, are the tampa2 mafia and lovie loyalist!!!!!! They are just mainly noise!!!! Most that I have encountered are very happy with staying the course!!!!!! Those in the know watch this team and see the deficiency in the trenches!!!!!!!!
Fix that and the “in-game adjustments’ and “play-calling” will suddenly be fixed!!!!!!!!
Go Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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YES! I am all for treating the Coach Koetter. He and Jameis have something going. It’s not Koetter’s fault that Licht paid Doug Martin 7 million for nothing, and can’t develop an edge rush after 5 years.
Hitting the reset button is the loser mentality. The same fans that want Koetter gone are also, Freemanites, and the type of people who take their ball and go home when they get their a$$ handed to them in a game. Sad, but true, a lot of weak minded, dramatic, quitters.
December 31st, 2017 at 10:09 am
If the Glazers had not already fired 3 head coaches in the last 6 years (Morris 2012, Schiano 2014, Lovie 2016) it might be easier to justify stepping away from a 1st time HC whose team with high expectations and a more than average amount of talent under-performed so badly. Especially since so many resources have been put towards highly talented offensive skill positions.
Coach K has offensive firepower that most teams can only dream of – yet can’t seem to score more than 1 or 2 TDs game in and game out. And this from an offensive minded coach whose previous forte was play calling…
Keeping Koetter for another year was as much about – ‘we can’t keep firing head coaches every 2 years” as anything IMO. It’s the right thing to do in this case – but only because the Glazers had painted themselves into a corner with all the previous bad decisions over the last 9 years (Firing Chucky, Hiring position coach Morris as a HC, Hiring Dom, Hiring Schiano and Lovie then firing them both after only 2 years… etc.).
December 31st, 2017 at 10:10 am
Yes. I haven’t heard this much anger since Mrs Howell’s press conferences. I supppse the real question should be is it worth passing up on Gruden? If the Raiders rumors are true, then there is not going to be second bite at the apple. The opportunity for The 2nd Coming of Gruden will be gone forever. Hand wringing, self flagellation, and what if’s will dominate conversations for many generations.
December 31st, 2017 at 10:11 am
Football is all about matchups. This year we only won the matchup battle four times against bad teams. Jason Licht has to get players in here to even the matchups. The only area he has given us better matchups is at linebacker on defense IMO. Noah Spence has the body type of a smaller linebacker, Not Big enough to stop the run.so he is a situational player if he ever gets healthy. As for
his most recent pick Beckwith will be a stud . But you can’t put 11 linebackers on the field and there were other more pressing needs on the defense. Licht failed to fix the broken pieces and this is why Mike Smith ‘s defense struggled during the season. Credit Smith for slowing down both Atlanta and Carolina the last couple of weeks with the personel he had to work with.
December 31st, 2017 at 10:14 am
Joes! I’m here to tell you Dirk is the definition of what you called Lovie which is coach my scheme I live in Atlanta and falcons fans complained of the same things he’s doing here. Playing a washed up steven jackson all the while having a young hungry devonta Freeman riding the bench does that sound familiar? Redzone struggles they always complained we’re always great between the 20s. Koetter got lucky because the defense carried them last year with that 5 game win streak. But the offense was garbage. Why does it take 3yrs to utilize what Jameis does best? Just Sayin!
December 31st, 2017 at 10:16 am
Jason Licht is the problem, he has molded franchise into 4-12, there is ZERO rhyme or reason for his team development, build a defense like the jags, eagles and chargers have, licht neglects the OL/DL… no RB and is batting a big fat ZERO on any FA signings, so 4 years running this team by Licht gets you 4-12
December 31st, 2017 at 10:20 am
Wow imagine a coach blaming his players for this record. It’s not koetter fault he played Doug Martin or rarely used oj Howard and Godwin or played his injured quarterback. If Winston is the reason here Fame are having on Winston and no one looks good. Koetter is garbage and glazers are stupid I just can’t see anyone flipping a switch and this same boring offense suddenly scoring 30 points a game for the first time in this coaches life and no rookie will come here and change this pass rush lol good luck next year bucs fans
December 31st, 2017 at 10:20 am
Biggest win of this year for the Bucs will be Gruden staying on the sideline one more year. I don’t want him in any colors other than pewter and red.
December 31st, 2017 at 10:22 am
Buccaneers are and have always been my team. My cars, attire and talk is always outlined about the Bucs. Here on the east coast of FL I get excited and speak or wave to fellow drivers with Bucs plates. I AM NOT A BANDWAGON FAN…..with that being said Koetter DOES NOT DESERVE S**t. He hasn’t done anything that would suggest he “deserves” the right to continue to coach this team. I am more then upset and angry about the decision to retain him. I did like the idea of Gruden, or a “real” head coach to change things up. I don’t care that Tampa changes coaches like underwear. If you don’t perform in any job you are out. You make bad decisions you are out. Koetter makes bad calls on the field, with coaching staff and “sticking to his game plan” instead of going with hot hands. Again I am a huge fan, but if you think for one second I am excited about next year I am not. There is literally nothing anyone can spin to me that would make me think this team will be better. The sad thing is our record will improve because we will play a crap schedule and some people will be on this forum saying I told you they would be better, when they go 8-8 and miss the playoffs
December 31st, 2017 at 10:25 am
the difference between good and bad in the nfl is as little as a field goal a game. just looking at the numbers. the bucs offense ranks 11th. they do it by yards, which i hate. by scoring we rank 20th. but we arent that far off. if we could get 3 more points per game, just a field goal, we would be ranked 12th in points. that doesnt seem that bad to me, it seems fixable. the defense is 31st in yards allowed,24th in scoring. if you give the defense the same treatment, 3 points a game and see where we’d rank, we’d be 14th. we rank last in sacks. 1 a game off middle of the pack, and 2 a game behind the league leader. it just looks like tweaking the offense could get us where we need to be on that side of the ball. defense needs more than tweaking. thats just the numbers, but from watching the game, i can say i see the offense giving us a chance in the 4th quarter most games, but the defense is always giving up the 4th quarter booty.
December 31st, 2017 at 10:35 am
I can remember a guy who got fired after back to back 9-7 seasons. With a Division title in one of them.
And another after a playoff year.
My how the standards have changed. Now, a 9-7 record in one season is a ticket to Camden.
December 31st, 2017 at 10:56 am
^^^ or Camelot^^^
December 31st, 2017 at 11:13 am
Good for Dirk. Love the Bucs! GO BUCS!
December 31st, 2017 at 11:14 am
Based on the standard that the ownership has set over the past several years, Dirk Koetter doesn’t deserve it. This team is poised to only be 2 games better than the 2014 team and two games worse than the 2015 team.
However, it seems that the Glazers have decided to go a different direction with their own way of thinking. That’s a very good thing in my opinion.
December 31st, 2017 at 11:15 am
So Bob…. Wisconsin was “infinitely more talented” than Miami? I think not. You folks never seem to understand the importance and skill involved in great coaching. And that is why you think you usually are always one player away from being a decent team…in your mind that is.
December 31st, 2017 at 11:16 am
@D the Bucs fan. What you speak of is true. Those parallels between his O in ATL and his one here are undeniably similar. Him keeping Freeman on the bench for Jackson was straight up criminal and shows that he values loyalty over logic and reason.
December 31st, 2017 at 11:17 am
Yes D=Rome…they own the team. And if I didn’t give a S about the team, I would say the same thing…do what you want with your toy boys…no skin off my nose. And maybe that is the moral of the story…we have cared too much.
December 31st, 2017 at 11:31 am
The decision has been made so let’s just get on with it. But I don’t want Smitty coming back just because him and DK are best buds. Can’t wait for the offseason and next September now. GO BUCS!!!
December 31st, 2017 at 11:37 am
Let’s get with it? WTF? When haven’t we “been with it”? Most respectable teams wouldn’t have hired all the chitty coaches we have the last decade…yet we have continued to be with it. You go ahead and “get with it”… and stop the nonsense about coach Smith….no great D coordinator is going to work for coach thin ice. There is getting with it…and there is drinking the Kool Aid. And what you are suggesting is the later.
December 31st, 2017 at 12:05 pm
NO, NO, AND HELL NO!!!
GLAZERS PLEASE SELL THIS TEAM! OBVIOUSLY YOU DON’T CARE ANYMORE ABOUT WINNING!!!
December 31st, 2017 at 12:11 pm
Just spend and draft defensive players …and lure Bruce Arians to Tampa as the new O.C. and EVERYTHING can be fine and we’ll be in the playoffs next year … and yes, I actually believe that … but, as I don’t think Arians will coach again, ughhhhh ….
December 31st, 2017 at 12:14 pm
BuckanEar is not a bandwagon fan.
Those of you saying that must be the same ones staying at horrible jobs, in horrible relations, eating at the same horrible restaurants, etc. Day in and day out.
If a guy is a fan for over 25 years and has seen at least 20 of those years end in futility, mismanagement, and a complete lck of hope – why is he forced to suffer through another 25?
Look up the definition of insanity. That’s what being a Bucs fan has been.
There is a reason why certain franchises are just better: luck is a big part of it. Great ownership that makes shrewd decisions and smart hires is another.
The Bucs are severely lacking in that department since Malcolm passed away.Every hire since then has not worked out. Period.
It’s clear the problem is systemic. To argue against that is to look t the situation with blinders on.
The Bucs need a President of Football Operations. A guy who comes in here and literally runs the business side of things – who has football acumen – who in hius younger days built a winning franchise. That person then hires the GM who then has input on the coach and so on.
Changes need to be made at the top or this will go on for a very long time.
Look, I hope they make enough changes next week that really reshape this thing: cut Baker, Cut Martin, cut Dotson, look to trade GMC (who I love, but they could use his cap number to grab several much needed linemen). Make major changes on the coaching staff: New DC, a real OC who calls plays and revamps the sytem.
I hope they actually start making moves in the draft like other teams. We never end up with 9, 10, 0r 11 picks like the smartest teams (Patriots) do at times. We’re going to have a very high pick in a deep QB draft. TRADE BACK and accumulate picks.
I also hope the Bucs really focus on the trenches – adding at least 8 new faces to compete on both lines. Fix the trenches and you fix the Bucs.
But this franchise will never really change until the decision maker(s) at the very top changes.
December 31st, 2017 at 12:16 pm
If i was general manager I’m going against popular thinking and I’m drafting instead of a defensive lineman at 4 or 5, I’m drafting Barkley to completely change our offense. If he’s available I’m picking the most impactful player in this draft. If Koetter wants a top ten scoring offense and a great red zone offense, pick Barkley. Not to mention how much Winston would improve in play action, screen passes, wheel routes to name a few. Look around the league Goff looks great with Gurely going off, Prescott looks like a different QB without Elliot running the ball , look how much better the saints offense looks with Kamara in the back field with Breeze. I want the one guy in this draft who will impact our team the most and that’s Barkley. After that, pick defense with the rest of your picks.
December 31st, 2017 at 12:18 pm
The Tampa Bay Buccaneers may be bringing head coach Dirk Koetter back in 2018, but that decision wasn’t made until Friday—and only after they made an “unsuccessful run” at Dirk Koetter, according to NFL Network’s Michael Silver.
December 31st, 2017 at 12:29 pm
@SteveK
You’re killing it bro! I totally agree.
December 31st, 2017 at 12:31 pm
For the first time Gruden is in play for coaching at his price because his job at ESPN is on a cliff edge(Disney has a knife out).My thought is the owners are gambling on that Gruden will not leave ESPN until 2019.
December 31st, 2017 at 12:41 pm
Steve…A handed to them…you mean the Bucs…they had their A handed to them 11 going on 12 times this year. Right?
December 31st, 2017 at 12:43 pm
@Mark
You didn’t watch a game this year if you think the Bucs got their “A” handed to them. Smh.
December 31st, 2017 at 12:46 pm
The Bucs should have won the Patriots, Bills, Lions, Packers, Falcons and Panthers games … they should be 10-5 right now … Koetter has one more year to turn those “should haves” into ACTUAL WINS or he’ll be gone after next year imho …
December 31st, 2017 at 12:47 pm
The one fundamenal question you have to ask yourself as a management group is….Do you have the confidence to say Dirk Koetter can get the team to win a Superbowl. There is no evidence to support he can. He makes too many mistakes. The decision to bring back and continue to playi Doug Martin alone should be reason enough enough not to have Dirk back next year.
Im not saying Grueden is the only choice but he has proven to get a team with an average quarterback, an average running back and a group of average receivers to the montaintop and continue to be competative in the years that followed.
Do you really beleive Dirk could have won the Superbowl for us in 2002?
December 31st, 2017 at 12:51 pm
@Marques
You could say that for every team, coach player that has never won. Come on man, smh.
December 31st, 2017 at 1:01 pm
After two back to back 7-9 season every Saints fan was calling for Sean Payton to get fired. This year, their same fans are praising him. This is a “what are you doing for me now” league. If Koetter turns things around next year all this noise lays to rest, and BuckAnEar becomes the biggest fan again cause the bandwagon will be too loud for him to ignore.
December 31st, 2017 at 1:20 pm
if AT LEAST the play calling duties he pawned over like his last and only hobby
but decided to keep which made it 3years in a row are not relinquished this year
THE GLAZERS and whoever else are ignorant dumb asses PERIOD
December 31st, 2017 at 1:23 pm
buzzards are circling ????
ITS BEEN CIRCLING FOR A LESS THAN 20 POINT AVERAGE FOR 3 DAM YEARS!!!!!
we kicked field goals in the red zone ….koetter admitted it himself
supreme dumb asses I tell you some of you…..(in yodas voice) LOL
December 31st, 2017 at 1:44 pm
Koetter fan you are a moron. Saints offense was always great. Always. Payton and breese won a sb rogether. Payton has a track record of a winning nfl coach. Its not about what the fans wanted its about what he has to show for himself. Koetter has nothing. 0. Nada. He stays for the sake of the holy”continuity”. Nothing else. He was a liability last year (s.p carried the saints not vice versa) and is still this year with all the shiny weapons at his disposal. He was’nt a good hc at any point in time. Btw, you cannot prove that the saints wouldn’t have been successful without sp if they made that decision.
December 31st, 2017 at 1:55 pm
I was making a point to @Marques. Stating the fact it doesn’t matter your history, at the end of the day it’s about Ws and Ls. Not stats. Who cares if his track record is 50 points a game, if it doesn’t count up Ws then it pointless. And BTW, I’m not trying to make a point about what they would or could have done if sp was gone. My point is that if Koetter has a successful season next year, then what will most of you be saying then…? Like I said “what are you doing for me now league”. Plain and simple.
December 31st, 2017 at 2:04 pm
Oh, and that great offense scored 11 points on our defense in the last game of 2016.
December 31st, 2017 at 2:20 pm
..and what did koeter’s offense do when playoff birth is on the line? Saints had nothing to play for and we still lost! Sp shouldnt be mentioned in the same sentence with koetter. The offense he had built in n.o is something you and i will not see in tampa in our lifetime.
I dont get your point at all. Off course ill be extreamly happy if our coach is successful next year. Im a bucs fan and i like koetter as a person. I wanted him to be successful. The question isnt about being happy if the bucs are successful. Thats a given. The question is whether koetter should be our coach next year with everything we have seen and know. Its not about gruden either even though some push it like it’s gruden or bust. I say koeter has done almost nothing to justify getting another shot. Read my comments above and you’ll understand why.
December 31st, 2017 at 2:49 pm
I disagree Joe, Dirk actually does come off as clueless in as far as he’s a head coach.
Go back to Hard Knocks and this very simple question Winston asked Dirk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4nP-4DNXx8
Winston asks what does doing to much mean exactly, how do you play not doing too much? Dirk has no answers because he speaks in cliches. At the time I wrote how much I didn’t like the lack of any answer there – he just fumbled around for words and said nothing.
Again I’m not a huge Gruden fan, but I’m using him for this example since we have an idea of how he would respond, and if Gruden told Winston he was doing too much and Winston asked what that meant, there is no doubt in my mind that Gruden would have an answer that would go on for 30 minutes and include probably a 100 different examples of what he meant.
That is the difference between a head coach and a lifetime coordinator.
December 31st, 2017 at 3:30 pm
I read them and you have valid points.
December 31st, 2017 at 3:53 pm
@Koetter fan
And what do you consider a successful season? Send the standard now is a coach having a winning record regardless of how bad he looks doing it. Mike Smith and his defense have letter his 5 game winning streak last year and a 9-7 record. This offense has never done a thing. Can’t believe this ownership believes koetter can actually take this team to the playoffs since it would actually require outcoaching someone which is yet another thing he’s never proven he can do. But it’s pointless to say anything, all the koetter Fame will be looking stupid like us that thought Doug Martin would come back and have a good season
December 31st, 2017 at 3:57 pm
Welcome back Koetter.. you lose 11 or 12 games and your A is handled to you. You just don’t know it.
December 31st, 2017 at 4:21 pm
It is moronic to commit to anything or anyone at this point- everyone should be thoroughly and honestly evaluated after today’s game- and against how things’ll shake out across the league. There may be some surprises and we shouldn’t close the door on anything. Nor should we discount McDaniels and other coordinators by simply saying they can’t be any better than what we have. That’s total stupidity. That’s not holding anyone accountable. That’s not giving your team the best chance to succeed.
December 31st, 2017 at 5:04 pm
The offense althought bad , is avg and won’t lose us games, it’s the defense that helped us win last yr and cost us this yr, Atleast we were able to see what our defense can be with a good DC. Drafting and signing the RIGHT fa can turn it around.
I say Jim S , for DC and assistant HC , or even sexy rexy will work. We can prob excel in a 3-4 rather than a 4-3 , with a few pickups this yr
December 31st, 2017 at 10:08 pm
I’ll say this @not there yet, let’s wait tell next year and I’ll let you know if it’s working out.
Too answer your question “what’s a successful season?” Well I think making the playoffs and maybe winning a game in the playoffs would be what I consider a successful season for our team. I’m already looking forward for next year!
Go Bucs!!!