Will Jameis Settle Quickly?
November 21st, 2017
The serious crotch-grabbing allegation against America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston, by a female Uber driver is being investigated by the NFL.
That we know.
But lawyer turned ultimate NFL insider Mike Florio of ProFootballTalk.com explains that Jameis could stop the NFL in its tracks.
Now that the driver has an attorney, John Clune, the same lawyer who represented the woman who accused Jameis of rape five years ago, a window is open to make the disagreement go away, Florio notes.
How much worse can it get for Winston? As noted last night, if the Uber driver cooperates with the NFL — and if the NFL believes her (perhaps not even completely, as Ezekiel Elliott learned) — Winston will be looking at a baseline suspension of six games.
The involvement of Clune gives Winston a window for resolving this matter in a way that virtually ensures no NFL punishment. If Winston’s lawyers can broker a civil settlement with Clune that entails a release of claims and an agreement not to cooperate with the NFL, the case necessarily would be closed.
It’s unclear whether she’d even be interested in a settlement. Clune tweeted that the alleged victim’s “sole purpose is to put other women on notice of this unacceptable behavior as so many other women have recently done.”
One could say, ‘Hey, Jameis settled the civil suit with his rape accuser, a charge that was much more heinous. Then why not just settle this, too, right now?’
Joe is not saying that, but it surely is crossing the minds of Jameis’ team of advisers — who appear to have given him miserable advice on this matter to date.
November 21st, 2017 at 8:40 am
While I understand why a player would settle whether he did it or not, just to make the story go away, if he is innocent, I wish he’d fight it. I’m sure he’s being advised to settle by nearly everyone around him.
But I wouldn’t do it. Not if I’m innocent. I would say ‘I’m fed up with these people trying to rob me blind’ and I would counter sue.
November 21st, 2017 at 8:44 am
Kobe is 100% sure uber kate wont settle
Kobe 200% sure russ spielman his agent screwed up big time. Should have had a attorney immediately
Jameis, spielman and darby thought they were smart….their attorney now has alot of shat to clear up…
If he can
November 21st, 2017 at 8:45 am
That’s all that lying whore want him to do is settle.
November 21st, 2017 at 8:55 am
I wonder if the nfl would look at that like a modified version of the Greg Hardy case.
November 21st, 2017 at 8:56 am
This should have been dealt with by Jameis and agent/advisors long before now. Stuff like this doesn’t just “go away”. I have to say whether it’s true or not, I’m fairly disappointed in the judgement used in this instance. This young man needs to grow up…now! I’m not just talking off the field but on it as well. Like or not QB is in the spotlight, and the really good ones do not have off field clouds hanging over them, nor do they perpetrate childish antics on the football field. I really hope it can be proven with a doubt that he didn’t do this. I keep waiting for the light bulb to go on for Jameis, but like Bucs fans everywhere, how long do we keep waiting?
November 21st, 2017 at 8:56 am
Yes, that is one issue, but what will be the impact of this on the relationship between Winston (and his “team”) and the GM/coaches/ownership? They have to be wondering what else he hasn’t told them and if they can trust him. This doesn’t just “go away” with an undisclosed settlement.
November 21st, 2017 at 8:57 am
Buccaneer Bonzai is 100% correct. Although it is way too early to even consider this as there has been no official investigation from authorities. The NFL isn’t even investigating it – they are only making an inquiry.
November 21st, 2017 at 9:06 am
As far as the trust issue is concerned, why would Jamies and his reps tell anyone about it if in fact he did nothing wrong (which both he and Darby are explicit in claiming)? I think the deeper issue is that Jameis, while seeming to want to keep his down-home personality and accessibility has to start firmly embracing that he is a celebrity who is a target. As Kurt Warner’s event wasn’t an official NFL sanctioned event, there were no official security, drivers etc. compensated by the NFL to “protect” players in attendance. They were basically on their own.
November 21st, 2017 at 9:06 am
@Buc Bonzai
I have to disagree, the court of public opinion has already determined the outcome already!!!! I video could be leaked of JW3 in the back of the car smiling and eating a chimichanga and the sheep and media will say it was doctored!!!!!!!!!
And most of the “fans” that want JW3 cut now, are the same ones that cry that the Bucs let players go and they succeed elsewhere and are all to quick to list all the names!!!!
Go Bucs!!!!!!!!!!
November 21st, 2017 at 9:21 am
This is what you get when you hire an employee who has a history of illegal and ill-mannered behavior. Not rocket science, people.
November 21st, 2017 at 9:22 am
Real important question that needs to be cleared up: how did the Uber driver rate him? Did she give Jameis 3 stars, 2 stars? Or what?
November 21st, 2017 at 9:23 am
If he pays her a dime then he is guilty in my eyes
November 21st, 2017 at 9:27 am
He should have made the bucs aware of this a loooong time ago. His advisers would have handled this and we would have never heard about it.
November 21st, 2017 at 9:29 am
A settlement that would be the equivalent of one or 2 games salary would be how much coin? Keep in mind the lawyer keeps 50%, so what is an acceptable loss to Winston to make this go away w/o a 6 game suspension, that loss of salary and the likely loss of future revenue as he would be damaged goods ala Zeke Elliot in Dallas?
The minute that the Uber driver got the ambulance chaser out of Florida this shifted from being about exposing abhorrent behavior and is now a play for money or at least many will think that as so many victims are recently pouring out of the woodwork to accuse celebrities of bad to illegal behavior over the past years and even decades, some allegations are without a doubt true true but others false; the fact that the uber driver went to the high profile lawyer indicates $ signs, right or wrong…. Winston’s already damaged goods, has been since the incidents at FSU, he may want to mention who the third man in the Uber was if there was another passenger simply to initiate damage control.
November 21st, 2017 at 9:29 am
Agree SB I don’t believe he did it BUT if he settles then I am off the believing in JW bandwagon, not that he or anyone else cares. But the Bucs should care cause I am a season ticket holder at least for now I am……
November 21st, 2017 at 9:30 am
This is nothing, the media has blown it up. I wouldn’t give her one red penny, I definite wouldn’t lose any sleep over it.
November 21st, 2017 at 9:32 am
I’m with Bonsai on this. IF Jameis is innocent, he needs to dig his heals in and make a stand.
IF he is guilty, he will settle quickly and the Bucs will try to sweep it under the rug.
November 21st, 2017 at 9:44 am
Why settle if he is innocent??? Jw should fight this and sue them. That 3rd person should settle and get everyone clearned. Although it wouldn’t matter the outcome …..JW is being ran out of Tampa. He beats this and something else will come up.
November 21st, 2017 at 9:47 am
Dm is being ran out too. I change my mind about him and sided with Joe on dm. Then I watch more film after koetter it’s not dm fault but run blocking.
Idk what to believe
November 21st, 2017 at 9:50 am
BONZAI
I agree 1000%….
if he’s innocent, and the evidence is in his favor, fight it and send this $lut to jail….if she’s lying, she has to be taught a lesson and made an example out of…..stop playing with peoples money and reputation….GO BUCS!!!!
November 21st, 2017 at 9:55 am
Lamarcus the OL is terrible and licht is responsible, but Jameis, I was in his corner, but the guy has something wrong with him as far as being the focal point if an organization, the finger licking thing was something a QB should not be doing and there are so many red flags, I just cant beleive that there is not some video from the drive in to any place on that road to just prove jameis innocence or even a fan taking a picture of the group after they left wherever they were at….show that clears JW instantly but now if he pays it looks like he is what they say he is
November 21st, 2017 at 9:55 am
I’m going to go all conspiracy theory here and call this a setup by the NFL/Bucs to run this guy out of the league. Attendance is down, viewership is down, advertising money is down… the league is trying to clean up the thug image they have now and JW is getting setup to get ran. See Josh Freeman being late for a team picture excuse, we all know that wasn’t the reason. JW the same kind of deal. They know something we don’t and they don’t like it one bit.
November 21st, 2017 at 9:56 am
Speaking for Pablo
An important message from Pablo posted last night but few saw it.
“Pablo can clear all of this up. Pablo was the mystery passenger in the Uber car. Hamus and Darby were in the back. Pablo had many tequilas….way too many. We were in the drive thru and ordered tacos….Pablo was very hungry and thought the Uber driver’s crotch was a taco. Pablo grabbed it. Pablo so very sorry for all of this. Please don’t hate on Pablo….Pablo loves his Bucs & tacos.”
November 21st, 2017 at 9:59 am
Not sure what is worse our pathetic PC country or the pathetic franchise we all love. If you are innocent not only should you not settle the accuser should face consequences for false reporting… Our constitution has been shredded to ensure the mentally weak PC pansy arses never have a single uncomfortable moment in life. It’s beyond ridiculous. We used to reward people for hard work and excellence now people would rather be a victim than a productive member of society. The Hollywood losers that started the latest FAD of accusing everyone years later deserve each other.
I know Winston is going to have to bite the bullet because of our corrupt screwed up system. It’s a shame words like rape, racist, bigot, harassment which were serious and carried significant meaning no longer have any meaning or carry the seriousness they once did thanks to the PC losers tossing them around like candy.
The boy who cried wolf has NOTHING on these weak minded losers who non stop play the victim card like it is noble.
Bring in the bullies to fix this mess…. Bullies build character… The gender neutral PC pansy arses are destroying a once proud and productive country.
November 21st, 2017 at 10:02 am
This whole thing has gotten way out of hand. Jameis & his ‘handlers’ screwed the pooch by not getting out ahead of this way back in March 2016, and this is the result. If he settles, the court of public opinion will find him guilty (many already have it appears).
If you’re innocent Jameis, fight it. But provide overwhelming evidence, as in ‘that third guy in the Uber’. If he was the one in the front seat, he’s hanging you out to dry by not coming forward. That’s not a friend. If you’re guilty though, better settle and hope for the best.
November 21st, 2017 at 10:05 am
Bonzai
You need to get past your personal prejudices and feelings. You post as if you were there that night and the evening with Kinsman. NOBODY could possibly know what you claim to know.
This is not about guilt or innocence…it’s not about fair or not…it’s about LIFE.
Here’s a clue….right or wrong…PERCEPTION is reality for humans. What kind of perception do you suppose hanging out at 2AM with someone like Darby…reportedly drunk creates.
Now back this up with #3’s reputation. Kinsman may or may not have been a gold digger…we’ll NEVER truly know. One thing we do know is that it left a lasting perception. We can also know that from the admitted facts…Jameis and his buds picked up a girl..they were all partying and loaded and then one of them uses his cellphone to record Jameis having sex with the strange girl. What kind of perception does that create.
We also know that #3 came close to trashing his NFL career before it even started with a SERIES of bad choices including the obnoxious entitled jumping on a table and screaming FHITP. So the PERCEPTION exists that Jameis is spoiled and makes horrible decisions.
Now before you guys jump me…I’m not saying that Jamies is all of these things…I”m simply saying he’s partially responsible at minimum for creating this PERCEPTION.
If you were famous, wealthy and already had this perception would you really go out drinking at 2AM with some friends who were with you when your life almost came to an end.
As long as Fameis keeps getting passes on all of this stuff it’s hard to believe it’s ever going to change.
I personally would feel much better if Jameis and his people got together and held a press conference. He of course would continue to deny the allegations but he could turn to the fans, Glazers, Licht, Koetter and say I realize now how important perception is in all of this. I’ve learned a great lesson. I do not plan to be out partying at 2AM under the influence of alcohol. Sometimes things are wrong….sometimes things just LOOK wrong…and in the future I plan to avoid even the things that LOOK wrong.
November 21st, 2017 at 10:12 am
but the perception of giving a financial settlement is like an admission to guilt. The fact is, yes, he could pay to make this go away but now Jameis would now show a history of sexual misconduct. A stigma that will constantly be challenged by future allegations. True or not knowing their could be a lucrative payday behind any other allegations. A slippery slope. If Jameis is innocent he should let the investigation continue and resist trying to financially sweep it under the rug.
November 21st, 2017 at 10:16 am
Well if was shouting homophobic slurs I’m sure someone would know if it was coming from the front or back seat.
November 21st, 2017 at 10:17 am
Maybe the Glazers should just put Clune on the payroll.
November 21st, 2017 at 10:18 am
jamis has enough money to pay somebody to help with his story … Just offer up some cash as before and case closed
November 21st, 2017 at 10:19 am
Here is another concern…unrelated…perhaps related…I think not.
But I do believe that #3’s over the top rah rah and eating W’s and all the other antics are perhaps starting to wear thin with grown men, professionals who are on our team. IE….it’s not about Koetter losing this team…has #3 lost them?
So everybody saw the look on the players faces during #3’s W’s pregame speech. They largely had a WTF look on their faces.
Then there was a disturbing picture smack in the center of the St. Pete Times Sports page. I realize most of you no longer see the newspaper. Let me fill you in.
Caption under the pic…Bucs QB Jameis Winston patrols the bench giving words of encouragement to his teammates during Sunday’s win.
Picture….Jameis giving his words of encouragement to Ali Marpet…Evan Smith and Donavan Smith. You can see Jameis normal fired up look…the three OL
absolutely IGNORED him. They didn’t even look at him…he might as well have been talking to an empty bench. I just fear at some point his act starts wearing out….count on it if he doesn’t start producing some wins and fast.
November 21st, 2017 at 10:20 am
Even if he settles, i still think the NFL can still try and suspend him
November 21st, 2017 at 10:26 am
This issue is exactly why a large majority of Buc fans were leery about drafting Winston. His on the field play has been declining and a lot of it comes from his decision making. Which is exactly why he is in the position he’s in now. If he is not bright enough to realize he is a walking target if he does something stupid he’ll never get it. I don’t give a sh*t about his age. I’m tired of excuses for stupid behavior. The Bucs need to draft a QB in the later rounds so they don’t get stuck once again.
November 21st, 2017 at 10:28 am
It matter 2am or not. It’s supose to be USA land of free. Apparently not. U have hire drivers, stay away from ppl, live under a rock sort of speech. This jw would have to do avoid this mess. Such a world we live on now. Jw needs to be shrewd. And stay in the house
November 21st, 2017 at 10:29 am
St. Pete I couldn’t agree more. A leader needs to pick his spots when it comes to encouraging his team. I love JW’s enthusiasm, but it becomes white noise after a while. I would much rather see him working on his craft than his speechmaking. It seems forced to me, not to mention that I think he comes out too wound up at the beginning of games. I am surprised the coaches haven’t addressed this and tried to tone down the per game antics. Doesn’t seem like it is working.
November 21st, 2017 at 10:40 am
To all the gullible Buc Sheep-
Do you understand when uber kate attorney Clune claims-
please please, mr ronald darby, please i beg you just show the authority your phone. the nfl will pick it up. i will walk to your crib and pick it up and take it to the nfl to find exact location you were at that night. please please please i beg you. we can clearly find that uber kate was al lyian biatch please i beg you
Do you gullible sheep know what that means?
It means there was no darby and jameis was the only passenger
jameis, his agent russ spielman and darby made a easy he said /she said case for a attorney into a clusterfack because these 3 genius thought they were smart
November 21st, 2017 at 10:44 am
Jersey
“White Noise” is the perfect description.
Lamarcus
Jameis is free to go out drinking and partying with questionable friends all he wants. He’s already made millions so he could quit playing tomorrow and still have plenty of money to party whenever and however he wants. As you point out it’s the USA and free.
But freedom does not cover your job….many professions have limitations…Airline pilots are not allowed to drink for quite awhile before their flights…yeah it’s the USA and they are free to drink…but not drink and fly.
If you are the face of a franchise it carries a great responsibility.
Could all of you stop feeling sorry for poor Jameis. He can either stop partying at 2AM juiced up….or he can take proper precautions…a limo is well within his budget…as are bodyguards…so in return for 23 million POOR Jameis has to spend more than the average dude when he plans to go out partying…cry me a river. I’d make that trade tomorrow!!!
November 21st, 2017 at 10:47 am
BTW
Answer this for me guys. Recreational marijuana is now available in a number of states. It’s the US and I’m not free to smoke weed in California or Colorado.
So if I go snow skiing in Aspen I can get tuned up as well…unless pinhead little Jeffry Sessions tries to interfere.
So there it is…does that mean Jameis can feel free to fire up a blunt in public as long he’s in the right state and everything is legal? Why not?
November 21st, 2017 at 10:49 am
Explain to me what over the top rah rah antics are with a QB or leader of a team? Sure the eating W’s was a little over the top…
Where do you draw the line cause I’ve seen more then one poster say this about JW?
I say he can be as rah rah as he wants to be as long as his play backs up his mouth, but it hasn’t. BUT to say these are grown men they don’t need any pre game rah rah….REALLY??? So no other player in the NFL is rah rah?
November 21st, 2017 at 10:49 am
Nohing I can add that StPete hasn’t said..
If he settles, he is beyond guilty..
November 21st, 2017 at 10:51 am
So this story broke a week ago? How long does it take to get the info necessary? If I’m JW and I’m innocent, I’m all over this trying to get it cleared up. To me the longer it goes the worse it looks.
No matter what the outcome, let’s face it, JW just isn’t smart, on the field or off. Really bad decisions, repeatedly. For those that defend him because he’s 23, I call BS. I was running my own business at 23, working hard without everything handed to me on a silver platter. Point is young people can handle responsibility. If they are of a mind to do so.
November 21st, 2017 at 10:51 am
Kobe just one question is Darbys phone part of his body? So he doesn’t go anywhere without it? If his phone was not there, does not mean he was not there automatically? For all you know she could have remember them saying “hey Jameis thanks for getting this Uber as I must have left my phone at home”. All this would prove is his phone was not there nothing more nothing less. Just yesterday I went to dinner with my family and left my phone at home does that mean I wasn’t really at dinner and I shouldn’t have to pay for my meal? Come on man.
November 21st, 2017 at 10:54 am
jameis winston –
6 games for domestic assault plus 3 games for falsely claiming there was more passengers
Ronald Darby-
3 games for falsely claiming he was passenger with jameis winston
“Kobe Faker is a wacky SOB” – derrickbrooks4gm
November 21st, 2017 at 10:58 am
Yes in this case a settlement means guilt so he CANNOT settle or he loses creditability with the Organization, Players, City, and most importantly fans, especially those of us that wanted him here and defended him from day one. Those of us (at least me) that are left would be done with him if he settles or cannot prove this didn’t happen. And no I don’t think he should have to prove himself innocent BUT considering he should know much better then to be in situations like this the only way to regain the credibly, that he had with some, will be to prove he is innocent.
November 21st, 2017 at 11:01 am
Darbys phone suspended for life for lying about being in the car!
Kobe Faker
November 21st, 2017 at 11:01 am
This is textbook on how not to handle these types of situations…..Jameis’ handlers need to be fired.
Although I hate it and the tendency is to fight…..settle immediately….a call from Jameis’ attys…..probably $50k and this goes away.
We don’t know if that was advised and turned down by Jameis…..no matter the outcome…this will cost Jameis greatly.
November 21st, 2017 at 11:01 am
@NDOG
why this talk about missing phone? why should the phone be missing?
isnt darby laughing and shaking his head with disgust and heading toward the authorities to hand over the phone and clear this up 5 days ago.
why did you bring up missing? lol
why? because darby isnt going to hand over that phone
BECAUSE HE WASNT THERE IN THE CAR WITH JAMEIS THAT NIGHT
November 21st, 2017 at 11:02 am
I think the 3rd person in the car, more importantly in the front seat is a current football player…..another FSU buddy of his and darby….that is why the 3rd person hasn’t come forward….GO BUCS!!!!
November 21st, 2017 at 11:04 am
JMarkBuc Says:
“No matter what the outcome, let’s face it, JW just isn’t smart, on the field or off. Really bad decisions, repeatedly.”
Thanks for your copy and repasted opinion about our QB. You’ve made up your mind a long time before this happened.
Now get back to work…you have a business to run.
November 21st, 2017 at 11:08 am
Surely he realizes that if he’s innocent but settles once again he’ll be an easy target for the rest of his career, settle if your guilty, fight if your innocent to discourage further lawsuits
November 21st, 2017 at 11:11 am
@813
there is no to be announced. doesnt matter what so ever
the line in the sand is set
uber kate and clune absolutely claim there was only jameis winston
and jameis and darby absolutely claim there was more than 1 passenger
NOW it doesnt matter the 3rd person or even if there was groping/assault actually occurred
if we find if it was 1 or more than 1 passenger inside the car….wins
like Kobe Faker stated. this he said/ she said case for a qualified attorney turned into a clusterfack for jameis attorney because jameis,darby and spielman his agent thought they were smart
18 years of law and order and 9 years of criminal minds….eom
Kobe Faker
November 21st, 2017 at 11:11 am
Maybe it was Roberto the kicker in the front seat? He was tryin to give Jameis a high five in the backseat and the inaccuracy issues creeped up again.
November 21st, 2017 at 11:16 am
@tmax- You and I may disagree on many things but this is not one of them. Even my wife has chimed in on this. My upbringing was “old school”, you would catch a beating at school by teachers, for goodness sake! I was taught that if you didn’t like something, to do something about it or move on. I was the geeky kid who played in band and was picked on. I was also in a LOT of fights. My sister put her ex-husband in the hospital TWICE for putting his hands on her. She didn’t need me!!!
Nobody should put their hands on another person unwanted unless you plan on having issues. I don’t condone any behavior that takes advantage of another person, male or female.
Like T, my issue is these allegations that arise 20-30 years after the fact. If you had any respect for yourself beforehand, you wouldn’t tolerate that behavior at ANY level. Look at how the Weinstein thing got started, the girl said “h3ll to the no” to that fat slimy creep. How hard was that?!
Jameis has a serious issue on his hands because of his past and because he is still clearly immature. It doesn’t seem as though this would have escalated to this point had someone not “dropped the dime”. It’s telling that, at the time, the driver felt that simply reporting it to Uber and not the police was enough.
We all have choices in life. You can choose to be offended or not. You can choose to walk away or stand up.You can choose to treat people with respect. The moment you start feeling sorry for yourself, take a look at the veterans returning home from war in wheelchairs with artificial limbs and ask yourself just how bad you have it.
IMO if you are innocent, you fight. Settling this case only erodes Jameis credibility, right or wrong.
November 21st, 2017 at 11:18 am
This is one of the problems when we drafted Winston that I foresaw happening. One of four scenarios.
1. Original rape charge was false but settlement casts doubt over Jameis and not Kinsman.
2. Original rape charge was valid and Jameis settles to make it go away casting doubt over Jameis.
3. Jameis learns lesson whether it was rape or consensual and never gets caught in this situation again.
4. Jameis had committed rape and then repeats mistake casting doubt over Jameis.
5. Jameis gets accused of rape, molestation, harassment and he is innocent, but due to prior history, Jameis is suspended by NFL for multiple games hurting Bucs playoff chances. Once the flood gates open whether the allegations are true or not, the NFL will eventually ban Jameis for a year and eventually life.
Winston had a target on his front and back before we even drafted him. We look smart now.
November 21st, 2017 at 11:19 am
Okay, I see more than 4 scenarios in my post. More like 5 points to make than scenarios. We look smart.
November 21st, 2017 at 11:20 am
Stpete
U kinda miss the point I was making.
I don’t fell sorry for no one especially jw although he is fav player. Sex crimes on a person is serious and I don’t take that lightly.
On another note I learned alot about a team I’ve been rootin for 20 plus years. We can’t handle/manage a franchise qb. Tampa bucs could’ve done a better a job for him like the rest of the league excluding Browns. I putting the blame on everyone who has power. I’m a coprorate guy and I know they could’ve done better. He is no kid but come on look what Dallas did for Dez Bryant. They hired him security to go with him everywhere.
If I took a qb overall 1 with baggage u damn right he will have security or the right ppl around him. We can knock a kid for being a kid all gravy JW should be blamed but it seems like the professional cabinet of Tampa did more of the botching.
November 21st, 2017 at 11:22 am
87
WTF… Anybody with eyes can see the kids got problems, again and again. As far as my mind being made up, so what? Doesn’t change a thing in this instance. JW still putting himself in bad situations. Makes it easy to make up my mind.
I’m not the only poster to re post btw. Oh and I sold my biz for a substantial sum and semi retired at 40. No need to get back to work. I can afford to hang around here and listen to your BS, just for fun.
November 21st, 2017 at 11:27 am
Tampa media wants him to settle. Tampa is running this guy out of town. So tampa bay Browns (which I hate) is becoming true.
November 21st, 2017 at 11:33 am
Narcissist attorney John Clune will absolutely not settle
he has Jaboo in his sights
“I spent all last night trying to find my law and order VHS tapes to find out the ending”
Kobe Faker
November 21st, 2017 at 11:36 am
Kobe,
Several Fatal flaws to your logic. I don’t know what happened for sure on the uber ride and neither does Clune. You see, there are only 2 or 4 people that actually know what happened and I know for sure Clune is not one of them. Clune just decided to believe his client, that does not mean he is right or knows if Darby is wrong. Also, the reason Darby might not want to turn his phone over may be for other reasons outside this incident. Who knows what Darby might have on that phone that he doesn’t want people to see.
November 21st, 2017 at 11:43 am
Uh Kobe the word missing isn’t in my post one time.
November 21st, 2017 at 11:45 am
if there is evidence that there was more than 1 passenger
jameis wins
if there is evidence that only kate and jameis was the only ones in the car
uber kate wins
doesnt matter if there was assault or groping involved
darby has sensitive pictures he is scared to show and doesnt want to prove his buddy his innocence? look at darbys past. he probably wants to show the worlds his girls. the authorities just want the gps information. are you this naive?
“Kobe Faker bought oceanfront property in lakeland only once. they cant fool kobe twice but i believe allen they can at least 3 times”
Kobe Faker
November 21st, 2017 at 11:49 am
posters ndog and allen will be the new scriptwriters for law and order
Kobe has has 3 bubbleback tvs and VHS taperecorders ready
November 21st, 2017 at 11:49 am
Lamarcus
Here is where you and I agree. I’ve already posted that I believe the Buc’s management is just as guilty maybe more for Jameis mistake.
They knew they were hiring an exuberant young man with questionable judgement. They should have given him a sheet with rules…and a babysitter if necessary.
I do not believe Jameis is the devil. But he clearly has had a record of poor decision making…the Bucs knew this yet left him out there at 2AM…loaded..with some bad friends…or perhaps that’s unfair…some friends who have their OWN records of poor judgement.
I gotta be honest. I do not understand how this ever happened.
But all the crap coming out nowdays…I do not understand much of it.
OK I’ve made out as a teen and tried to slip my hand up a girls skirt. We were both kissing passionately but she drew the line at kissing and boob feel no snatch. So I STOPPED when she asked! That was in a heated makeout situation with the girl’s participation. It would NEVER occur to me to put my hand on a girl’s privates that I had just met…a total stranger.
But maybe you guys can explain Louis CK …Charlie Rose…did any of you EVER have the urge to wack off in front of a girl you weren’t dating? Dangle your wee wee in front of women. What is up with that.
When I was a kid we acknowledge the existence of sickos…they were always protrayed as old dudes in trench coats and we made fun of them.
What the hell is going on with the powerful, wealthy men in our country?
Bill Cosby…none of these guys needed to do any of this to have a steady stream of WILLING beautiful babes. Obviously this is not about sex but about folks brains and their need for power.
November 21st, 2017 at 11:51 am
Allen, I am not sure that Darby has to turn his phone over for them to triangulate his location at the time of the alleged incident. I think they can request phone records and then track the time and cell towers the phone was accessing. Maybe someone else has better insight to this than I do so I would love to hear the opinion.
She said Jameis was only other person in car, he was up front and he grabbed her crotch. Despicable act to commit if someone did this to her.
Jameis says there were two others in the car with him, Darby and Unidentified guy. Unidentified guy up front and would be crotch grabber if this happened.
If phone records show Jameis is right and there were two other people in the car, then Jameis is still not off the hook. Not reporting this incident can still get him a suspension from Goodell. This is even if the charges are false.
If Winston was alone, then he get minimum 6 game suspension with possible year long suspension.
In today’s climate, men are automatically guilty if a woman charges them them with any kind of sexual assault.
So Jameis had better be able to prove to the Pope she is lying or he is in big trouble. If she isn’t lying, then he will still be getting what he deserves.
We drafted him knowing this could be a problem.
We look smart.
November 21st, 2017 at 11:52 am
Kobe Faker Says:
November 21st, 2017 at 11:45 am
if there is evidence that there was more than 1 passenger
jameis wins
^^BINGO^^
simple as that!!!1….and she should be thrown in jail if she’s caught lying…..GO BUCS!!!!
November 21st, 2017 at 11:52 am
These money grabbin H’s…. (can’t say the name but y’all know the deal!) Jameis should go ahead NOW..and pay this off. Because the NFl is gettin stricker with its harrasment policies and lookin for subjects to..spread its word! Nip it now..in the bud and be gone with it. And jameis please..you got money now. Stay home and have fresh crab legs flown in to youer residence. You got a good lookin livde-in. What more you need socially? WISE-Up Jamesi!!..Before you end up broke.
November 21st, 2017 at 11:54 am
Kobe,
Your idiocy knows no bounds. You see, I assume nothing (unlike you) and believe nothing without facts (unlike you). Why are you assuming the phone only holds legal pictures or video. I never said that. What if there is some incriminating info on there. You are the naive one to believe the police will only look at the GPS information. I would bet money there are plenty of innocent people out there that would not trust the police with their phones. Me naive? Ha, you’re a joke.
November 21st, 2017 at 11:57 am
WHO SAYS DARBY HASNT GOTTEN A NEW PHONE ITS BEEN 2 YEARS
November 21st, 2017 at 11:58 am
Kobe,
Your argument also assumes I believe anyone in this. I do not. You obviously have made up your mind without knowing all the facts.
November 21st, 2017 at 12:04 pm
@Longseason
great insight, kobe agrees in everything you state, but i actually dont believe he will get fined/suspended for not disclosing it to the NFL or the Bucs. he thought the case was closed when he called uber and his uber account was closed.
“are you a attorney like myself”
Kobe Faker
“allen, you are dead to me”
Kobe Faker
November 21st, 2017 at 12:05 pm
StPeteBucsFan, you got a lot of really good points.
I admit/do not admit that I may have/may not have been feeling a date to see how far she would/would not let me go. When my dates would say stop or go no further I halted the advance. Tanks in neutral. My dates never complained. It was a part of dating.
That being said, I never would have thought about grabbing privates or any other part of a woman I had just met. Blitzkrieging a woman’s personal space or body just isn’t right.
If Jameis does not know this then we are in for a disaster in the future. If these women are opportunists then we are still in for a disaster in the future.
I hate both rapists/molester and people who levy false accusations of rape/molestation for any reason. That is why we do need to let the facts sort themselves out. No matter the facts, though, Goodell is going to suspend Winston for a game to six games.
We look smart.
November 21st, 2017 at 12:13 pm
If Jameis is not innocent he is an idiot. He locked himself in to a story, this is why lawyers tell you not to say ANYTHING to the police when questioned. A denial can be just as good as an admission if you include details that can be proved false, thus why you say nothing. Not saying anything will not get you in trouble.
November 21st, 2017 at 12:31 pm
Just to re state my point…
If he’s innocent, get out in front of it and prove it ( even if you don’t have to prove your innocence). If there was a third person, and he is the offender, out him, then cut ties with him and tell the whole world about it.
The longer it goes, the weirder it gets. Looks like he has something to hide.
Bottom line is, he will forever be linked to his past indiscretions . Innocent or guilty. Sad truth is he’s not even a great QB. So why deal with his baggage?
November 21st, 2017 at 12:33 pm
Not that simple boys and girls, if you settle your basically admitting your guilty and what’s left of his name will be tarnished forever.
November 21st, 2017 at 12:38 pm
Can someone fill me in on Darby, what has he done in the past to be labeled a bad boy, I missed it? Thanks
November 21st, 2017 at 12:44 pm
He should be in jail. Should’ve gotten MM in the draft
November 21st, 2017 at 12:45 pm
Anyone else just DONE with this season? It’s like everything that is happening with this team has nothing to do with football.
November 21st, 2017 at 12:46 pm
1. Not a great QB at FSU..college football a completely different game.
2.BB guns
3. Dressed for a game he was suspended for (eqpt mgr’s fault)
4. Alleged sexual assault , recorded no less.
5. Insulted school girls and women in general ( not intentional , but a pretty big Freudian slip. )
6. Finger Lickin’ W’s
7. Punking a rookie on the sideline, while you’re “injured”
8. America’s Groper
He still could get past all that if he were super talented, but he’s not even that.
November 21st, 2017 at 12:49 pm
Oh and how could I forget
FHRITP, in the middle of the student union..while your under investigation.
And n HK being fascinated by cockroaches f*** ing
Kid just ain’t right
November 21st, 2017 at 12:56 pm
Answer me this. Why is it that many of you guys who at the age of 23 who were making maybe 15 to $20k a year and still learning to become mature responsible men can deny Jameis the same rite of passage as you??? Why because he makes 100 times that you made then? Money and being a face of something makes no one grow up no matter what the holier than croud thinks only time and experience. People always bring up the crab legs and things he said standing on a table like none of you ever stole anything or yelled out sexist and raunchy remarks or drunk in public, I’ve done it before but you know what? I grew up and so did most of you. So many say he should do this or do that but I guantee none of you said that about yourselves or friends at that age so please get down off of your 20ft high horses!
The fact that people rant about the erica kinsman as if it is some kind of conviction of Jameis’ character but refuse to look at the fact that she changed her story on more than one occasion and he admitted having sex with her then she got money out of the school then went after his money tells me the there is “white noise” when it comes to the sometimes putrid hatred for him. Nobody brings up anything when it comes to Rapistburger but Jameis will be forced to live with it because of the ignorance of people. This woman says he groped her though we all can see he couldn’t have but the supporters and nonsupporters of the admitted and unrepentant Groper of the United States (GOTUS not POTUS) crucify Jameis without evidence or trial. You people should be falsley accused of something and have people hate you.
November 21st, 2017 at 12:57 pm
JMarkBuc
He’s an Angel compared to your Beloved POTUS
November 21st, 2017 at 12:59 pm
I can’t list the obscene things he has done.If I do I will probably be ban from this site.
November 21st, 2017 at 1:02 pm
I can’t stand Trump.
Not a fan of roethlisberger or Kobe Bryant for that matter either.
November 21st, 2017 at 1:18 pm
Speaking for Pablo
“Pablo gets excited hearing stories from St.Pete….about his adventures as a teen in heat. Pablo has his own stories and they mostly ended up with Pablo’s many, many, many Childrens. Pablo has been groped many times while Pablo table dances and Pablo likes that. But….when Pablo was groped while on a roof job on a hot Pasco County roof…..Pablo just about fell off causing great injury to his elongated arc. Needless to say, Pablo slapped that dude silly.”
November 21st, 2017 at 1:48 pm
Unfortunately this is a business decision. Once Uber Kate lawyered up it became all about the money whether she is telling the truth or not. If Jameis can settle, which basically he will have to do either way, and avoid a 6 game suspension, then it’s a no-brainer for him and the Buccaneer organization. It $ucks and justice be dammed.
November 21st, 2017 at 1:49 pm
Ugh. Auto correct. Damned.
November 21st, 2017 at 2:17 pm
Here’s the point w/ Darby’s cell phone that people might not get. It doesn’t matter if he got rid of the cell phone in question. The record is still in his provider’s system. The cell pings, calls made etc. You don’t need the physical phone to determine that info. That said, the phone company won’t just hand out that info, it takes a subpoena. Now it could be argued that he “forgot” his phone that night. I doubt it, no one that age leaves their phone ever, but he might claim that. If his phone never moves and it not in the vicinity, that might be true. However if that phone moves at all, it will show up. If his phone syncs up w/ Jameis’ phone then he is where he said he was, if not, then we got a problem. Produce the 3rd guy. If he’s the culprit, you don’t need his garbage costing you millions. I agree, the longer this drags out, the worse it looks.
November 21st, 2017 at 2:31 pm
Don’t settle!!! Fight this. Fight it with Jerry and Ezekiel. Making athletes live up to a standard that persons of authority and leadership everywhere else in the country can not live up to is dumb!!
Quit being giant hypocrites, America!!
November 21st, 2017 at 2:36 pm
“Excuse me, ma’am. May I have this dance?”
That ish don’t work!!! Women like bad boys and bitch when their boys are bad. Quit moving the goal posts!! If asking politely to have a cup of coffee worked like it did in the movies, that’s what everyone would do. But it don’t. When you’re rich and famous girls throw themselves at you. Making that move is all they have to do most of the time and the panties just fall off all by themselves. Pretending it doesn’t work that way is nothing more than lying to yourself!!
November 21st, 2017 at 2:44 pm
Charlie Rose was fired a few hours ago by both CBS and PBS.
November 21st, 2017 at 3:07 pm
StPete…I need to marry you..lol..
All great points..
Pablo! HAHAHA!!!
JMark!!! Perfectly said!!!
November 21st, 2017 at 3:07 pm
DB55
Listen to Ira’s podcast they talk about Darby’s horrible reputation in Tallahassee.
He seems to slide through everything but when bad stuff happens he always seems to be on the scene…not just the Kinsman deal
He was out partying with Jalen Rose and they got pulled for a DUI check. Darby tried running from the police. Man is he lucky with all the police feeling free to shoot a running black man in the back! He skated….there were more incidents and in fact folks were far more concerned about Darby’s rep than Jameis’.
I’m a 70 year old dude with no rep and no millions…still I realize if I go to the strip club at 2AM the odds of getting in a scrape just increase. Who was the coach who said nothing good happens after midnight.
November 21st, 2017 at 3:16 pm
@Clod- It’s ALWAYS been “nice guys finish last”! I know because I am one and are a little jaded. Well, not anymore, I’m happily married. But back in the day, forget about it!
Even with all that said though, there are guys out there who manage to stay clean. I mean look at Derek Jeter. Dude dated every hotty that there was. It CAN be managed but it takes the right mindset, I guess.
It seems like you JUST hear about the “knuckleheads”.
November 21st, 2017 at 3:33 pm
Kobe Faker
No. I am not an attorney, but many people say I have a good legal mind. I would say I would be a better judge than lawyer though. One reason is I look at multiple sides of an argument. The one side of the argument that says Goodell suspends Winston even if he, nor anyone in his presence, did not grab the girl is that Goodell has a hard on for suspending players even when there is not proof. I believe a suspension could be overturned if none of these guys did anything and they can prove it. The suspension still happens, though. If one of the other guys did it, then Jameis still gets suspended for not bringing it to Team or league’s attention. It may be over-turned. Goodell has proven that nothing is predicated on actual guilt. That is just a fact. I hope Winston is innocent and he and his posse can prove it. If Winston is guilty he has to take his medicine. For now, he should be innocent until proven guilty.
By the way, I am a network engineer and troubleshooting, analysis and problem solving is my profession. I served as a Security Specialist in USAF in Holland (32nd TFS Woolfhounds) and South Dakota (45th MSS) in mid 1980’s. During briefings I would give an analysis on intell and was usually spot on. This comes from a strong back ground in history and historical analysis.
Goodell would love nothing more than make Jameis walk the plank. It is about control, not right and wrong with him.
November 21st, 2017 at 3:45 pm
Bucsfanman
Yes it can be done. I’m not saying it’s impossible. I’m saying in Jameis’ shoes, it’s the path of least resistance. I too am a jaded man from that same thing. If I had a dollar every time a woman said, “If I was single, blah blah blah, lie lie lie” id have no time to play on the Internet, Id be too rich. Then the woman breaks up with her man, I ask her out and she says “You’re just so nice, I don’t want to hurt you.”
And as for Jeter, we don’t “know” he never did this. We just have no evidence that he did. He very well could have. Then again, when you’re SS for the Yankees, you don’t pick up chicks, chicks pick you up. He might as well be in a rock band!!
November 21st, 2017 at 3:50 pm
Much different scenario this go around. Your see, he had the college owned ($$) Tallahassee PO-PO sweeping everything under the rug as instructed by the University. The NFL will sweep nothing under the rug, look what they put Brady through with the under-inflated footballs. Jameis is who he is and you can almost bet it will either happen again OR it has and there are more “ladies” just waiting on the perfect time to pounce.
November 21st, 2017 at 3:51 pm
I might add: FSU did pay off one of the rape plaintiffs $950,000 after he left the institution.
November 21st, 2017 at 3:51 pm
Bucsfanman
Like you I’m married now too. I found a gal that thinks marriage should be like a Disney princess movie. She LOVES it when I say sweet little things that mean nothing. She just melts like ice cream in the sun when I do that. Tbh I kinda like doing that to her too. Even tho women dig bad boys, the ones that don’t really are the cream of the crop.
November 21st, 2017 at 4:04 pm
James hadn’t played a down in Tallahassee at time of incident..GET A GRIP! THE PROSECUTOR/AUNT LIED AUNTND WAS EXPOSED PREVENTING TPD FROM INVESTIGATING. THAT’S WHY CLUNE TOOK OVER, DUMMIES
November 21st, 2017 at 4:07 pm
Fsu paid because clune is a Feminazi opportunist. Jameis didn’t pay. They agreed to mutually drop lawsuits, Erica and jameis
November 21st, 2017 at 4:11 pm
Davidbigbuc
“Why is it that many of you guys who at the age of 23 who were making maybe 15 to $20k a year and still learning to become mature responsible men can deny Jameis the same rite of passage as you???”
Sure did a lot of stupid ish when I was younger. Being anywhere close to sexual assault charges wasn’t one of them….locker room talk with your buddies is one thing, in the middle of the student union while under investigation is completely another.
And when you get the right to be a coddled athlete, make millions of dollars, be the face of a franchise, all for playing a kids game, is it to much to ask to grow up and act like a man?
But most of all can you really say he is learning to be a responsible man? Same crap over and over..clearly he ain’t learning.
November 21st, 2017 at 5:09 pm
Thanks SPBF
But I still say all the best stuff in my life happened after midnight. Lmao.
If I told you what happened to me this past Saturday at 5am you wouldn’t believe me. #RottenDirtyScoundrel
November 21st, 2017 at 5:15 pm
Has anyone seen the newly released pics of Al Franken’s accuser harassing multiple men, soldiers and getting caught in a lie? Ijs
November 21st, 2017 at 5:20 pm
I don’t see how Winston can settle this case the way Florio described and come out on top. If he does it will just create more red flags. Wouldn’t make him look like franchise material for us or any other NFL team.
Winston has to try to clean his name. He will likely never clean his name in the public’s eyes but can fix his image in the eyes of NFL franchises who have proven to be willing to give 2nd 3rd and more chances.
It starts by proving he did not grope this lady. Then he needs to back it up with his play on the field and also with a proper demeanor on the sideline. Considering Winston is innocent he can still come out on top(never in the eyes of some folks) and make a fine career for himself. I personally hope the Bucs are willing to give hi the shot to play his way through this if he can show he’s innocent.
The only way I could see Winston settling is if the Buccaneers do their owne investigation and see that Winston was being honest about what happened. At that point they may reccomend that it is in Winstons, and Tampas, best interest to settle
November 21st, 2017 at 5:32 pm
Of course if Tampa does get involved in the investigation they will basically be committing to Winston as theif franchise and Im not sure he has done enough to have they committ. The damming factor for Winston may be the media who all seem to be against Winston in this matter.
It’s pretty sad that many fans can be patient enough to wait for evidence to unfold before hanging Winston yet most media already seems to have their minds made up.
I won’t blame them for not supporting a rapist of a serial sex offender but why all of the sudden is it fair to label as such before evidence? Personally I believe in karma and will let it take control of things that are uncertain.
Winston has either committed these crimes or not and nobody knows. Fairness should be a part in all this and if all Winston did is not tell his team about an embarrassing incident that is surely no reason to ru the guy out of town.
November 21st, 2017 at 5:52 pm
@Clod- Agreed! Keep it “nice” brother!
November 21st, 2017 at 9:30 pm
ndog Said:
“If his phone was not there, does not mean he was not there automatically?”
It does not matter. If he claims to have been in the car without his phone, I STILL WANT THE PHONE. Why? Because if he is lying, the phone will show where he really was, and what roads it was traveling on while he claimed to be in the Uber.
If, in fact, he left the phone in the hotel, then he should have no problem showing the proof that the phone was stationary at the hotel for the hours in question. Don’t be a witness if you don’t want to be scrutinized.
🙂
November 21st, 2017 at 10:13 pm
ClodHopper Said:
“When you’re rich and famous girls throw themselves at you.”
Very true. Which is why I get tired of hearing the Trump comparisons. Trump was obviously talking about groupies, and when someone is inviting you to grope them, it is not a crime.
This Uber chick was at work answering a call. That is not the profile of a groupie. In fact, JW is denying that it happened–he is not claiming that she was flirting with him.
PS: Glad you found a nice girl. You are a lucky man!
November 21st, 2017 at 11:52 pm
JMarkBuc …thanks for the list…we’ve already seen and heard all of it before.
November 22nd, 2017 at 12:01 am
Plus I’m not ready to give up on a Jameis Winston this early in his career and you are and were from the get go before his career even started. That does matter. Thanks for the well thought out and typed up list for all of us Bucs fans to see.
November 22nd, 2017 at 12:07 am
Well 87
Not sure how you know that I’ve given up on JW’s career “from the get go”
I had hoped he would be the “franchise QB”. His actions on and off the field, are what have influenced my opinion of him.
November 22nd, 2017 at 12:07 am
And the list just illuminates the pattern..
November 22nd, 2017 at 5:46 am
Whitlock is correct JW3 is just dumb plane and simple, regardless of his guilt or innocence. Fool me once shame on me, fool me twice shame on you.
November 22nd, 2017 at 10:37 am
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JOE,
It irks me that you say “Jameis settled with Kinsman” as it makes it sound like he pulled a Kobe and paid hush money. The actual truth is that JAMEIS SUED KINSMAN and they mutually agreed to drop each lawsuit. And, according to Antonor Winston, Kinsman didn’t receive a single penny from Jameis in the mutual settlement!
Now, if this were ONLY about money and reputation, I have no real doubt Jameis would sue this uber driver and let the chips fall where they may, BUT, as this could concern football itself and a 6 game suspension and therefore hurt his teammates, who he loves to death, I could see Jameis paying a settlement to just move on so he’s not suspended.
However, this is a very sticky situation, as if he does pay settlement money, he’s basically encouraging other low-life individuals to try and extort money from him in the future.
As they say, “mo money, mo problems” …
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