Why Try Failing Plays?
November 9th, 2017
Long ball failures.
The one thing that sets off Bucs fans to triple their blood pressure is how America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston cannot connect with DeSean Jackson on deep balls.
Of course, Bucs fans blame Jameis. It’s the easy route.
Joe has another point of view: Blame the guy who keeps calling those plays.
Per BSPN’s NFL Matchup, only five quarterbacks have launched the ball more than Jameis on pass attempts of 20-yards or more. Yet Jameis is tied at No. 25 (with Aaron Rodgers) for fewest completions of 20-yards or more.
Rather than blaming Jameis, why is this pass play being called so constantly when it is clear it doesn’t work? That’s like handing the ball off to Doug Martin time and again and expecting him to break a run for 30 yards. It ain’t happening.
If, say, a defensive end can’t hang with a wide receiver would you put that defensive end in a position where he would have cover a wide receiver in pass coverage? Hell, no. So if Jameis and Jackson can’t hook up, then why expect a different result?
Joe has said and written this countless times, instead of trying to hit Jackson on a bomb, why not try to hit him on shorter passes (which, by law of averages, should be completed at a higher rate) and let Jackson’s wheels take over?
You know what the description is of doing something over again and again and expecting a different result is, right?
November 9th, 2017 at 1:51 am
Yeah it’s called being a dumba$$… kinda like hiring a coach every two years and getting the same result…
November 9th, 2017 at 2:55 am
He needs to hand the play sheet to Monken, but he won’t. It kind of reminds me of Lovie in a discomforting way. He may get sacked, but he’s going to do it calling the shots I suppose.
November 9th, 2017 at 3:38 am
last i checked…………….jason licht bawls
November 9th, 2017 at 3:42 am
Agreed. Why so many 5 step drops? These plays take so long to develop. Get the balm out of his hands. Maybe roll him out the pocket more. I don’t get it. We all expected more this year. This year is a disappointment.
November 9th, 2017 at 3:42 am
Ball*
November 9th, 2017 at 4:38 am
I respect the fact that your trying to – abjectly look at things from all sides.
But C’mon the 1st overall pick aka your Franschise Quarterback – should be able to connect with his speedy receivers.
No Excuses.
Donovan McNabb
Michael Vick
Nick Foles
Robert Griffin
Mark Sanchez
Kevin Kolb
Vince Young
Didn’t have a problem hitting Jackson for 40,50, and even 60yd bombs.
Freakin Kirk Cousins made a living hitting him deep.
So why the hell Jameis can’t?
November 9th, 2017 at 4:47 am
LuvMyBucs, hopefullly you can add Fitz to your list and ask that question again!
November 9th, 2017 at 4:51 am
FortMyersDave
Yup
November 9th, 2017 at 5:32 am
If you don’t throw the ball deep, you’ll end up with eleven defenders in the box. Then where will you throw it?
If Jameis continues with his accuracy issues, it’s only a matter of time before opposing DCs will move all his guys up anyway. This has to be fixed, or there will be *real* trouble in paradise.
November 9th, 2017 at 5:47 am
Yawn…. here goes Joe again finding a way to make a derogatory Doug Martin reference in a Jameis article. Boring Joe. Hey you need to pull your pants up your bias is showing. I notice you didn’t or never make any references to the boy wonder loving look at me what a great person I am Omg did I hit you too hard little girlie man GMC did you??? Nope.
November 9th, 2017 at 5:50 am
Your #1 franchise pick is expected to hit open guys down the field in his 3rd year. That’s any system. We would play better with Godwin as a role player with no expectations vs the lure of Jackson. He brings too many misses with very few big hits.
November 9th, 2017 at 5:55 am
Speaking for myself, it doesn’t make my blood pressure go up because Jameis can’t hit Jackson deep. What makes my blood pressure go up is Jameis can’t hit ANYONE deep.
I totally see your point too, Joe. And I agree. But just because one of them is guilty, doesn’t mean the other one is faultless. They both suck!!
November 9th, 2017 at 6:03 am
Wasn’t DJax supposedly to be a decoy to open up the run game and the short routes? Then the occasional deep bowl may go to him
November 9th, 2017 at 6:26 am
I have only met one Buc fan in my life. A dude I saw at the grocery store stopped me cuz I was wearing a Buc shirt and he showed me his Bucs tattoo. Most are either a Vikings, Packers, Bears or Chiefs fan. When we signed Jackson, I got numerous texts saying “Hey, You guys got a guy fast enough, even Jameis cant over throw him.”
Jameis seemed to promptly respond “Challenge Accepted!!!”
November 9th, 2017 at 6:36 am
I’m sorry but Jameis in his third year is not any better at deep balls.
It will not be fixed. He is what he is. A terribly inaccurate passer and bad decision maker. He can’t put a team in his back and win.
I’m tired of the “he’s young” “give him time”
In the nfl the one thing you don’t have is time. He will get another year he won’t improve and they won’t renew his contract. Unless they’re stupid but this is the Bucs so…….
November 9th, 2017 at 6:43 am
You can’t fix inaccuracy, draft a QB in the middle rounds like the patriots have even with a great QB
November 9th, 2017 at 6:56 am
Years ago I watched a classic game ,Peyton Manning against the patriots.
He threw a lot of deep balls and a good number fell incomplete. It did two things, it wore out the defense and kept them guessiing. The Colts went on to
win that game.
We didn’t draft Jameis to be a game manager and thats what he will become if he doesn’t improve on the deep ball. Now Koetter called two deep outs to Evans and Jackson which Jameis had success in the past and jameis disn’t complete them.
Maybe the shoulder is part of the problem and maybe Jameis is telling Koetter
his shoulder is fine. Fact is he has been knocked out of two games and you have to wonder if two games is enough to heal this.
November 9th, 2017 at 7:05 am
He continues to call it because it is open. I would call that play 5 times a game too. It’s not the playcalling, it is the lack of execution on jameis’ part.
November 9th, 2017 at 7:10 am
Lets lay the blame where it belongs.
Drafting Jameis
November 9th, 2017 at 7:27 am
Joe stop making excuses for jameis give it a rest Jackson is open time after time jameis can’t make the throws he’ll jameis can’t hit a slant route in stride
November 9th, 2017 at 7:37 am
Wow. Just wow. Again the Joe’s are amazing.
Yah. Why throw it to the wide open guy 50 yards down the field for a touchdown. (Don’t make the #1 pick throw deep)
Hahahahahahahahaha
Plus don’t you guys realize Jameis wants to make the big play. It’s his choice too. He has guys open in check down territory but doesn’t got there. The announcers say it every game. Keep it up Joe’s. Making you look even worse.
November 9th, 2017 at 7:43 am
Jackson could have been a way to open up the running game, with the deep threat. But to be a threat, you have to demonstrate that you can hit him, and so far we haven’t done that.
November 9th, 2017 at 8:05 am
Everything that LUVMYBUCS says. 100% agree. He is in his 3rd yr with same offense Jameis has no more excuses.
November 9th, 2017 at 8:34 am
Dirk should be fired for the simple fact that Everytime they run a slant route it works but they’ve done it like 3 times this year. He’s got all these weapons but feels it’s too good an offense to bother running slants or bubble screens. That’s the one thing Sims did well and he’s been completely taken out. Only in Tampa could a head coach have too many weapons. I honestly think this offense would explode if he checked his ego and gave up play calling. Even the assistant coaches have to see the writing on the wall. Todd Monken looks pissed every week
November 9th, 2017 at 8:52 am
his development is progressing slow….we know he’s a hard worker….the person in charge of developing him aint doing a very good job….his deep ball was better his rookie year….GO BUCS!!!!
November 9th, 2017 at 9:02 am
No way does Dirk escape without some of the blame, but I don’t have a problem with throwing the deep ball. Number one, eventually they are going to connect. I feel like this falls under the category of a mental block. Once they connect a time or two, I think they will be past that and it will be much more consistent. Second, you have to make the defense know you are willing to make that throw. If not, you take that fear away.
Again, I’ve always said we throw the ball down the field too much. However, that doesn’t mean you stop throwing it deep if it’s there. I think Jameis gets too greedy far too often, but a lot of those deep balls were there and just not completed. If he completes it (which he should as a NFL QB), then it’s a TD. You have to take those shots. As a fan, I’m just hoping we can perhaps execute it and complete the pass. That sure would be nice.
November 9th, 2017 at 9:07 am
Just start Joelightningfan.com so then we can post how freaking awesome we are…be a wonderful change 🙂
November 9th, 2017 at 9:07 am
FortMyersDave Says:
November 9th, 2017 at 4:47 am
LuvMyBucs, hopefullly you can add Fitz to your list and ask that question again
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Just look at the play before the Evans fight. Fitz threw long to Djax but missed him short. Why? Bc Fitz was being hit by a free blitzer, untouched, who almost broke fitz neck. Hmmmm.
Like someone said JW has been knocked out the games twice and Ryan Griffin his returning from IR. #LOL
Calling captain obvious, captain obvious please come in ….
November 9th, 2017 at 9:12 am
DeSean Jackson has a career catch ratio of 55.1%. He has a catch ratio of 49.1% with the Bucs. There’s not much of a difference.
November 9th, 2017 at 9:14 am
He has guys open in check down territory but doesn’t got there.
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If you’re talking about Martin his completition rate is at 30%. Smh
November 9th, 2017 at 9:19 am
JamesisNOT is developing slowing because he does not have the mental capacity to develop. It is no simpler than that. It’s like racing my SUV against a Ferrari…. sure I am get it to 100 MPH in 25 seconds but wouldn’t you like to get it there in 8 seconds? Plus my wheels might fall off while trying to get it to 100. This is what’s happening to the starting quarterback for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers…..one where down.
November 9th, 2017 at 9:22 am
:wheel
November 9th, 2017 at 9:45 am
These are routine throws that NFL QB’s must complete. Need a 50% completion rate on a streaking D-Jax who is 10 yard of separation from the DB. Good QB’s make those throws. JW needs a QB mechanics Guru. Especially with the shoulder injury. You can see how JW has changed his mechanics. Need that corrected and the deep passes will come.
November 9th, 2017 at 9:50 am
Djx needs to be in. Djx is too impatient. Alotta force feeding to djx going keeping him happy. Djx is poison to qb like jw. Djx needs leave immediately
November 9th, 2017 at 9:59 am
“JamesisNOT is developing slowing because he does not have the mental capacity to develop.”
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Based on what? Why do you assume he’s not intelligent? If I didn’t know any better, I would think you were basing that opinion on something other than fact.
November 9th, 2017 at 10:00 am
“Djx needs to be in. Djx is too impatient. Alotta force feeding to djx going keeping him happy. Djx is poison to qb like jw. Djx needs leave immediately”
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It is the job of the QB to not do that. You can’t get rid of a WR because he wants the ball. Most of the good ones do.
November 9th, 2017 at 10:13 am
@hawaiianbuc
It’s because he’s making the same mistakes in year 3 as his rookie year.
Everyone can see it.
Guess you’re blind or just waiting to throw the race card out. Yea we seen what you did there. Pretty obvious what you were about to accuse jameisnot of.
But good try. Winston sucks it’s pretth clear at this point. Can’t hit the broad side of a barn.
November 9th, 2017 at 10:14 am
Yes djx Hawaiian. Before the season jw didn’t have reason thow to him. huge red flag there. Washington wash haven’t been good for us this year. Djx is washed
November 9th, 2017 at 10:28 am
@Gobucs,
First of all, I wasn’t talking to you. Did you not read the post that said he “doesn’t have the mental capacity to develop”? Every scouting report, and virtually the first thing everyone says about Jameis is that he has a high football IQ. That is a fact. To say he doesn’t have the mental capacity is completely baseless. And for the record, I never mentioned race. The fact that you drew that conclusion says more about you than it does me.
Jameis is not blameless. However, if you look at his numbers (especially before he got hurt a month ago), they have improved. His completion % and INT’s have gone down. That’s cold hard facts. He led the team to a winning record last year and beat some good teams, which in itself is a miracle in Tampa.
Do you not think it’s possible that a bad shoulder can affect his accuracy? Especially when he gets drilled on it several times a game because we can’t protect, and Dirk refuses to run anything besides a 7 step drop.
Look at his numbers through his first 40 games compared to Peyton Manning. It’s scary how close they are. He has records for QB’s in their first 2 years. While I’m the first one to say stats aren’t everything, clearly you don’t throw for this many yards without some talent. Can you argue that? If the talent is there, it is up to the coaching to develop that talent.
November 9th, 2017 at 10:32 am
@hawaiian
Yeeeeeaaaahhhhh that’s not what you meant at all.
Lmao ok
November 9th, 2017 at 10:50 am
First time In awhile a agreeing with Hawaiian there. Coaches have a responsibility also and jw is the same as rookie or little above that I do see coaching errors.
But then idk if even matters at this point if jw did hit targets. We will lose anyway. We won’t go nowhere with the that defense playing like that. We need shootouts week in and week out. We need to score 35 per game or more and even the Bradys of the world couldn’t do that. We need defense first
November 9th, 2017 at 10:50 am
stop making excuses for Jameis Joe. last year you were whining about the fact that opposing defenses weren’t respecting the deep ball and playing close to the LOS. when we got DJax you rallied on the fact that now we got the deep weapon to spread out the defense. during the course of a football game, opposing defenses gives an offense looks that make the deep routes appear to be open. Dirk calls the plays and Jameis needs to execute. Obviously Dirk is calling the right plays in some instances because Jameis has missed those throws which could’ve been TDs or a nice chunk of yardage. DJax has been open, Jameis fails to execute. If your QB can’t throw a go route or post, what good is he?
November 9th, 2017 at 10:55 am
Buc fans are stupid at times. So jw hits all his targets 90 percent do u think we will 2 and 6 ?
I FREAKING DO. With no end in sight. On hard knocks koetter told jw didn’t have to do much cuz he had a great defense? He was wrong. Jw we need you to carry us another year sorry this asking too much yet another year. Do u think prescott,wentz, goff are asked think carry thier team. Nope. Poor management of jw
November 9th, 2017 at 11:18 am
They should be using DJax on quick crossing routes. Much like the 49ers used Jerry Rice back in the day. Given enough chances he will run through a few defenses for scores. Evans can still go deep and come up with the big catch downfield. Winston isn’t getting the time to throw he had the first few games of the season. But if you can’t run the ball at all the other defenses just t-off on every play. It’s going to be some time before it’s all fixed.
November 9th, 2017 at 11:20 am
@GoBucs,
If you want to know the truth, I was actually talking about the way he talks (his Alabama accent). Many people assume people who talk like that aren’t smart. Did I think people would draw the line to race? Absolutely. But again, that speaks more to them than to me. From my experience, the most racist people are the ones that are so quick to deny it. (and no, I’m not calling you a racist)
More importantly, where am I wrong in my facts? Have you not heard people speak to how intelligent he is? Have you literally never watched a Bucs game on TV and listened to the commentators? Have you never heard the coaches speak to how quickly he learned the playbook, and how he has a photographic memory? If not, I suggest you do a little research.
Do you not think his shoulder could affect his accuracy? Are his numbers not on par with some of the best of all time through his first 2.5 years? Does he have a running game? Does he have a great OL? Don’t address your issue with me (not) bringing up race, answer those questions? Tell me where I’m wrong.
November 9th, 2017 at 11:26 am
Fitz hit Evans on a bomb in Arizona that was a prettier pass than I’ve ever seen Jameis throw.
November 9th, 2017 at 11:44 am
@Jman5
You are just a limp d*** hater without a memory.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaRRfj-0xNo
Clearly you forgot about this throw @ 0:45
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhtKN0r0S6k
And This one. And the 2 deep passes to O.J. Howard that hit him perfectly in stride.
November 9th, 2017 at 11:45 am
Here’s what’s going to happen this week…
the Bucs will bounce back this week and play very well despite not having Winston and Evans.
All the reactionary folks who don’t understand football on these boards will say to get rid of Jameis and how the offense runs better when Evans is out because they have to spread the ball more…
Then the Bucs will lose the nest week.
Then everyone will say fire Koetter and why did we sign a bum like Fitz.
Then Winston won’t come back for a few more games.
Some will say he’s quit on the team and Koetter. He needs to tough it out to save his coach’s job.
Then he will come back rested and healthy and have a rusty-ish first game.
People will say “”see, he sucks!!”
then ti will all click for the final few games for the season – and with absolutely no pressure on them – the Bucs will light it up.
Half of the fans will be mad because they think picking a RB in the top 10 is a recipe for success despite – you know – history saying the complete opposite -and hate these last month victories hurting the Bucs’ draft position.
The other half will be so amped about the final games that talk of the playoffs will fill the boards all offseason. Even the national media will take it as a sign and pick the Bucs to make the leap next year.
Rinse. Repeat.
Keep commenting away, folks.
November 9th, 2017 at 12:18 pm
Yes, Joe has an admitted bias to non-production. Proud of it, too.
November 9th, 2017 at 12:26 pm
No Blake, the missed bombs to DJax take up most of my mental highlight reel space/.
November 9th, 2017 at 12:27 pm
Hello! If it’s not working…….
This is why many feel Koetter might coach his way out of Tampa Bay! If I can see what’s coming, surely an opposing D-coordinator can! That’s why we’re 2 DASH 6!
November 9th, 2017 at 2:40 pm
@GoBucs,
I’m still waiting for you to dispute any of the facts I’ve listed.
November 10th, 2017 at 2:37 pm
Only 8 weeks left to get in some more digs at Martin! 😉
(Though, he did play horrible against the Saints)