And The National Pile On Continues
November 7th, 2017
Is America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston, simply a 23-year-old franchise QB with a bad shoulder on a team with no defense or rushing attack?
Oh, no! No, no, no. The national sharks smell blood in the water.
Hell, for two full days this winter, Jameis was hammered by BSPN and CNN because he allegedly slighted girls in one sentence during a long, inspirational speech to school children.
Jameis moronically came on the field Sunday with no helmet and done for the day injured and poked Saints cornerback Marshon Lattimore in the head-neck area. It was stupid. But man, he is getting creamed.
National radio voices Dan Patrick and Clay Travis are blaming the collapse of the Bucs on Jameis completely over the past two days. Joe has offered other examples, including Tony Gonzalez chatter and Gomer Pyle labeling from FS1.
Check out this BSPN video below with highly respected former NFL personnel man Louis Riddick and other spouting off.
Joe’s not defending Jameis’ dumb move, but man, things are getting a little out of control out there. Perhaps now more of you understand why Joe calls Jameis “America’s Quarterback,” part of that includes the nation ready to bury the guy any good chance they get.
November 7th, 2017 at 9:51 am
love Jw. Is is everything BUC. But this fan base? Oh my. This fan base of the Buccaneers are so dumb, act like they know what nfl football is about.
To the ungrateful: all the losers on this team and have been here awhile it was JW who restore hope of this crappy team. Yall be watching Wentz, goff, etc and wish u had that qb. Well I tell u they couldn’t walk JW shoes. It’s a losing culture franchise and eating Ws what should be happening but no fans laughed at him and winning is ackward.His team came to lose. Jw doesn’t suck. Jw team is sorry. Every facet of football sucks. The team just is just allergic to eating Ws but taking L is the life
November 7th, 2017 at 9:53 am
Americas quarterback that’s why you call them that. Cause we don’t hear about him on national media. Until he sucks and pokes somebody. I get it now. He is americas public enemy number 1. Nobody outside of Tampa likes him and are rooting for him to fail. So he is americas quarterback that no one likes makes perfect sense. That’s not what Joe wrote here. LOL. But the hypersensitivity to Jameis nationally is one reason he got his nickname years ago.–Joe
November 7th, 2017 at 9:53 am
Let me add. I did like eating Ws. Maybe I’m as desperate as Jw to get this team going. Jw became a laughstock for eating a W or having a winning mentality. Wow.
November 7th, 2017 at 9:55 am
$100 bucks none of these clowns have ever seen a live Bucs game. If Koetter was trying to establish a “us vs the world” mentality he most definitely got his wish. Fck’m all, that’s what I say!
November 7th, 2017 at 9:56 am
Yeah Lamarcus it’s desean fault he doesn’t run 3.9 flat to catch up to the overthrows on deep balls that cost us 14 points agame Yup and its Evans and brates fault that half the passes there way go about 5 feet over there head. It’s the teams fault they are running all wrong routes in order to sabotage jameis. I mean the national media and us fans that know what we are watching every week get it and soon you will to. When you see a journeyman back up come in and run the offense this week.
November 7th, 2017 at 9:58 am
This is exactly what I said Sunday night. The media hyped Winston and the Bucs all offseason. Now that the Bucs have failed the media will be on a vendetta because of how bad Winston and company have embarrassed them. The fans of this city should be doing the same.
November 7th, 2017 at 10:00 am
Clay Travis sucks
November 7th, 2017 at 10:03 am
Jeff buc.
Even if jw was accurate on your said passes:
Me and brate got drop problem. Jw needs a reason to throw djx way without bitching about the ball and forcing feeding djx. That defense is historically bad
Fitz u will get ur wish. It will be the same. Fits should come motivated for Jets.
Jw needs a break. I will put on IR imo. Fixing a long culture hs taking its toll on the kid
November 7th, 2017 at 10:03 am
Still see nothing wrong with what Jameis did with Lattimore. #Nothingburger
November 7th, 2017 at 10:04 am
He has to already know than anything he does will be magnified. He had to be smarter and do a better job containing his emotions. Koetter mentioned the exact same thing 2 years ago after the incident in the Rams game then again last year after the headbut incident and I’m sure he’s saying the same thing again this week at what point does it actually sink in? I like the guy but he has to wake up and just continue to focus on improving his game.
November 7th, 2017 at 10:04 am
Jeffbuc
Jw is our best player today. Even with a broke shoulder. Says alot about OUR TEAM
November 7th, 2017 at 10:06 am
That’s a stupid reason to call him America’s quarterback Joe. Because nobody likes him nationally lol ok well I said in an earlier post that he earned the criticism but I think it was on hard knocks where he said his mantra this year was “own it” lol it’s funny how things work out, he can’t blame anyone but himself
My only issue with him getting ripped nationally is this team and his confidence already seemed to be lacking. Tune in to his next game if he doesn’t get shut down because we’ll see what’s kind of man and quarterback he’s going to be
November 7th, 2017 at 10:07 am
As the originator and only member of JABOO nut carriers,…
Im his biggest fan, but he is still immature and awkward because…
He is only FVKIN 23 years old…LOL HE HASNT LIVED ENOUGH
He should not be in the position to in this position ALL BY HIMSELF AT THIS TIME
HEY BUC SHEEEP
You know why Jameis rookie year was more sound and fluid? Because Jameis had Lovie and Koetter. Not just the xs and os but Lovie had the personality and confidense to protect Jameis and just be a quarterback without all the burdens and load of the franchise
THIS IS WHATS HAPPENNING NOW
Koetter? Licht? What did they ever do? they dont have the personality and internal strength to take charge
When Lovie (who sucks as a coach) was the foundation for Jameis to lean on and now he is puzzled and with no direction
We need a experienced take charge GM/HC to takeover this franchise and give it definat direction and not throw it to a 23 year old
November 7th, 2017 at 10:10 am
Joe, let’s be clear, NO ONE (save the two Joe’s) knows why you insist on calling him America’s QB. It’s as moronic as “winning” coach Dirk Koetter. Saying it’s due to hypersensitivity to JW nationally does not make it so and is simply a convenient excuse. And even if so what’s the point? You call him that because you want to. Outside the confines of JBF.com no one, and I mean no one calls him that unless they are being sarcastic. He’s my QB because I’m a Bucs fan, but he’s no more America’s QB than Tom Brady, who is way more qualified to be called that for a number of obvious reasons yet still isn’t saddled with that albatross of a moniker.
November 7th, 2017 at 10:14 am
I think we didn’t get it right with weapons for winston. Look at alshon and what he did for Wentz. I was said djx was washed and he is proving me right. Wentz misses passes as badly as Jw. Put in design plays u wouldn’t know that about Wentz. Jw has look and wait for someone behind a bad offense line
November 7th, 2017 at 10:16 am
Don’t worry Joe!!!!! The Bucs just need to sign up for “Hard Knocks’ again next season to change all the national perspective!!!!!!!!
https://www.joebucsfan.com/2017/08/winning/#more-183919
Go Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!
November 7th, 2017 at 10:16 am
@JOE
check out what SKIP AND SHANNON had to say about the state of the bucs and dirk….GO BUCS!!!!
November 7th, 2017 at 10:16 am
This has to be part of the maturation process for him. Don’t like the negative attention you’re getting? Don’t do things to draw it to yourself. Understand the setting. You’re on a bad team and you’re playing badly. Now’s a great time to be humble and act appropriately, not draw additional negative attention to yourself and your team, both of which are struggling enough without you shining a big spot light on it with your antics. Hopefully he takes that onboard and he learns from it going forward. Hopefully he doesn’t have another downward spiral year for us again so we don’t have to see if he learned anything from it.
November 7th, 2017 at 10:16 am
At the end of the day, Jameis put this all on himself and I have no sympathy. He deserves it and I hope he takes this situation and learns from it quickly. He hurt his team yet again and somehow hurt the team when he wasn’t even in the game.
He better hit the FF button on his maturity quickly. I don’t care if he’s 23 years old. Look at golfer Jordan Spieth for crying out loud. The man talks like a 33 year old and is roughly the same age at JW.
November 7th, 2017 at 10:18 am
If Jameis played up to the expectations of the fans on this website he would be throwing at an 89% completion rate, 6000 yards and 40+ TDs.
Im starting to wonder if these Jameis haters even watch other teams play.
Seriously. Go watch Aaron Rodgers, go watch brady. QUARTERBACKS MISS PASSES. IT HAPPENS. Theres a reason that no QB throws a 90% completion rate. Throws are high, throws are low, throws are off. Every time I watch Aaron Rodgers I see multiple missed passes in just minutes. Am I saying he is not one of the best or most accurate QBs? I am not.
If Jameis was as bad as everyone is saying than how is he still completing over 61% of his passes, btw that is higher than what Wentz is completing.
November 7th, 2017 at 10:19 am
Hold on here one damn minute! I’m going back to the 2015 season and a team with far less talent than this one, and everyone said including you, JOE…..that what’s his name ummm LAZY LOVIE was the problem! I’m not an advocate to fire Coach K but the BACK-STABBER may be on a different page! TAKE A KNEE….KEEP AMERICA FREE!!! HOUSTON …no no…TAMPA YOU HAVE A PROBLEM…THE BACK-STABBER CONSPIRACY CONTINUES TO RUN DEEPER… AND KARMA IS STILL A B*TCH!!
November 7th, 2017 at 10:19 am
Would Brady give that pregame speech and what would Belicheck do if his player came off the sideline and poked the other team?
November 7th, 2017 at 10:24 am
Kobe Faker Says:
November 7th, 2017 at 10:07 am
You know why Jameis rookie year was more sound and fluid? Because Jameis had Lovie and Koetter. Not just the xs and os but Lovie had the personality and confidense to protect Jameis and just be a quarterback without all the burdens and load of the franchise
When Lovie (who sucks as a coach) was the foundation for Jameis to lean on and now he is puzzled and with no direction
^^BINGO!!!^^
ive said it from the day dirk was hired….Winston made dirk look better than he actually was….and most of it had to do with lovie….
its the same thing SKIP and SHANNON alluded to yesterday morning….they choose to keep and OC over a HC….and now we’re finding out that the OC is incapable of being a HC….same thing happening to the giants….you got to have someone in place that knows how to improve a team not a QB….GO BUCS!!!!
November 7th, 2017 at 10:26 am
bighog
dirk’s good as gone buddy…simple as that!!!!….GO BUCS!!!
November 7th, 2017 at 10:27 am
They are going to tee off on him any chance they get because of his past.
November 7th, 2017 at 10:28 am
[That’s. Little over the top, don’t you think? — Joe]
November 7th, 2017 at 10:32 am
We need a focal, confident, experienced, successful GM/HC combo who will take charge and be the face of the franchise…They will and want to take all the burden and problems…the buck stops here and not dropped onto the lap of a 23 year old emotional kid
where is Licht? He should be upfront right now taking charge. Koetter? I get sleepy even posting and ripping him
November 7th, 2017 at 10:32 am
Forget the media hype, and get back to top dead center. Jameis did not have a sophomore slump, which is all we heard about going into last year. But he’s at a slump or plateau now, and hopefully not a peak. His accuracy is not there, long before the shoulder thing, his decisions are not there–he still throws dangerous passes into triple coverage when other targets are there and safer. He still presses way too much. And after Sunday, with him and Mike Evans, both team captains, embarassing us all again, after seven quarters with no TDs (Fitz finally produced ONE), my thoughts are: Mike Evans is no VJax…not a leader and is poor as a team captain. Get rid of that “C” if not the guy himself–to many temper flare ups and he hurts his team more than helps. Jameis may increasingly be seen as charismatic “talker” who can’t hit the broad side of a barn, much less the guy brought in to hand him TDs. So he is losing credibility, justifiably so with team mates, fans, and media. Talk talk talk. No leaders on this offense.
November 7th, 2017 at 10:34 am
Jeffbuc
Yup and its Evans and brates fault that half the passes there way go about 5 feet over there head.
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So here a perfect example this is why people love the poorly educated they just repeat what they here with no regard to the facts.
Here’s JW competition percentage to each wr. I didn’t count Arizona or New Orleans since he didn’t play the entire game.
O.J. – 70% completion rate 12/17
Brate – 69%
Hump – 67%
Godwin – 60%
Evans – 60% (with quite a few drops #KY)
Djax – 49%
Martin – 38%
November 7th, 2017 at 10:36 am
WINNING solves and silences all critics..Even me!!!! What the hell did you expect? This is the NFL. Nobody feels pity or sympathy for you. Matter of fact, most teams are chompin at the bit. Droolin..sayin, Man, I wish them Bucs were on our schedule!! So ruck up Bucs. Its like the actor Tom Beringer said in the Movie Platoon….TAKE THE PAIN!
November 7th, 2017 at 10:37 am
Pretty depressing times.
In the end; Jameis is coming off 2 bad performances while injured. In the end; he is a 23 year old QB who has set a variety of franchise records; and seems to want to win more than any other player on the team.
Focusing on 2 bad performances; while he was hurt; vs his entire career seems a little wreckless. The people on here acting like he hadn’t shown any signs of improvement; or is as bad as those games indicated; are focusing on the worst and not seeing the big picture imo. His accuracy % is actually up even with the bad games.
I was pretty drunk for this game; and spent a while pretty hungover after it. But I will say it was a great trip to New Orleans at least; and I met a ton of really nice Bucs fans. I honestly don’t know what the f*ck to think anymore. This is the most shocking season i can ever remember personally; in terms of expectations going into it vs what ended up happening. God help us all and go bucs
November 7th, 2017 at 10:41 am
Jolly buc U R RIGHT
When I watch other teams I see every qb inaccurate passes. I thot aaron Rogers was over rated by how many passes he misses. Bress? Oh my what a deep miss there. Wentz is as sloppy as winston but better team around him. Goff doesn’t have to do much just get a read here or there. Brady has slot machines in NE.
EATING Ws Happens to be a winning mentality btw. Who else on yhe bucs that care?
November 7th, 2017 at 10:42 am
While Jameis literally acts like a fool, Mariota, while not flashy, wins games.
November 7th, 2017 at 10:43 am
813bucboi: I agree, 6-10 got Lovie the pinkslip and many feel that the collapse in washington was the one loss of those 10 that tipped the scale against lovie as they blew a 24-0 lead to a bad team (Koetter took the low road, letting a bad AZ team roll up a 24-0 lead, but similar embarrassment)…. So lets be fair and give Koetter the same evaluation. No way he avoids double digit losses. Right now 4-4 in the second only gets him to 6-10 and given the disarray on the roster one has to think that he’ll be gone and he probably will not be alone, already losses to AZ, Buffalo and NE were poorly coached and the team appeared to quit in the Big Easy as well as at home vs Carolina….. And lets be honest, can the Bucs win 4 more games, where, Jets, Fins or Pack? Heck those teams are probably circling the Buc game as a gimme win right now. Bucs could very likely be 2-14 without tanking. Good chance the Bucs could be picking 3rd or 4th in the draft this April and thats only if the Giants, SF and Cleveland all tank the season away. If the Giants beat SF that gets them even with the Bucs at 2-7 and the Bucs probably pick third…. Man no one imagined it could get this bad, even the critics were saying 6-10 or 7-9 at worst, not 2-14 or 3-13….
The next question is how to rebuild? The fan fave is Chuckie buthow much coin are the Glazers going to commit to coaching salaries if they are going to have to pay off Koetter and Mike Smith. Does Licht take a hit because his drafts suddenly look rather flat, many busts and only a couple of gems in the rough….
November 7th, 2017 at 10:47 am
That was embarrassing what jameis was doing licking his fingers, he is supposed to be a leader of the team and then have to be cool under pressure and win the games and make the throws, he cannot act like a finger licker and get respect, CMON MAN
November 7th, 2017 at 10:50 am
Lets be clear….Jameis wouldn’t be “attacked” by the media if he hadn’t built a resume of questionable actions over the years….People are acting like this is just one rare instance.
At FSU: rape allegations, stealing crab legs, yelling profanities about women in a public setting….those are the things we know of.
He’s been well guarded with the Bucs but when given glimpses, his true character comes out. Jameis is what he’s always been…..Dungy commented on this years back. He has character concerns and personality flaws that are just not normal or professional. If that’s your DE or WR….basically any other position….nobody cares. But teams are built around the QB….and you’re asking grown men that are expected to operate as professionals to have to swallow what Jameis is serving? Nobody’s buying it anymore….They may walk the company line because they understand the business and investment made in Jameis but nobody’s rallying around Winston. He’s the centerpiece of the problem both on the field and likely behind the scenes.
November 7th, 2017 at 10:51 am
“Frank Pillow Says:
November 7th, 2017 at 10:42 am
While Jameis literally acts like a fool, Mariota, while not flashy, wins games”
Winston has a better record than Mariota in 1 score games still. Has more 4th quarter game winning drives as well. You’d think Mariota would destroy him in these things if what you said was true…
November 7th, 2017 at 10:52 am
Dirk was hired bc he was thought to be best for Jameis, a coached should have been hired that was best for the entire team. Louis Riddick is very good and very knowlegable and jameis should be called out for his childish behavior. The D has done enough tonwin most games, the O hasn’t. Did you see djax face and some of the other vets faces durring the whole eat a w thing… djax had to be like this is our leader??? we are following this guy?? been in the nfl a long time and haven’t seen a pregame speech like this since middle school.
November 7th, 2017 at 10:54 am
I agree with Frank.
November 7th, 2017 at 10:57 am
Jameis a Leader? Please! Jameis is a young man learning thr NFl game. He’s sucked up all Koetter had to teach him. Now, its time for somebody else to take the reigns and show him how to manage a game. Koetter thinks home runs to much. Jameis needs discipline and control. Its that simple. I don’t see leaders on our Bucs team. McCpy tried. But after all the double and triple teams, he’s pretty down right now. I say bring in a guys like Gruden and Dungy. Somebody who is unafraid to jump in these players As…s! We need mental toughness. don’t got it now.
November 7th, 2017 at 10:57 am
Jw needs to be put on ir. Get him out this losing environment immediately. Jw is a winner who defined at FSU and came here as a savior to a losing culture. Those other young qbs have win success with complete teams. Bucs perhaps are in rebuild mode again
It’s hard to change a loser culture. This whole team is garbage. Me13 took a huge step back. Djx is wash from Washington. Oj stocker? Brate has the case of dropsies. Hump not playing enough. Godwin a true 2 (not djx) no running game marpet is responsible for alot of misreads on blocking. DSmith has regressed severely. I have nothing to say about the defense. Koetter told Jw he needs to do less cuz he had a good defense. Boy how they were wrong so change of plans. JW we need u to do MORE and save the season. Jw u cant struggle. U cant be human right now. The need from a 23 yr old to save them is BAD
Again we need to get serious with the talent
November 7th, 2017 at 10:57 am
Jamies Freeman
November 7th, 2017 at 10:58 am
@lord… to bad we can’t be close to play in more one score games.
November 7th, 2017 at 11:01 am
If u saw
Licking fingers= loser mentality
Eating Ws (wins) = winning mentality.
November 7th, 2017 at 11:01 am
It’s an awful lot for a 23 year old to handle. If anyone can deal with negative press, though, JW can – he’s proven it. I just hope the team and it’s fans aren’t flushing away a promising young player because of an absolute train wreck of a team.
November 7th, 2017 at 11:02 am
Media only talks about theBucs when they can rip them
Winston has a hurt shoulder he tried to play through it got hurt again
Dang that is a Stand up football player
He wants to WIN
Screw those stool sitting Has Beens
Bet they couldn’t handle being the Face of a Team at 20 years old
Tough Kid Period
November 7th, 2017 at 11:02 am
i’m a jameis guy and will be until he proves otherwise. he needs work but by no means does he deserve all the blame for the bucs traditional trip to the basement. for more than a decade this has been a laughstock franchise. over half the games captain blowouts defense has laid down like cheap crackwhores yet it’s all jameis fault. once again a young 23 makes a few bad choices yet the mentally weak cancedr93 led defense has come out flat and loafed all over the field to thunderous beatdowns and applause from the anti jameis click. The entire franchise from ownership to the lowest paid staff member have NO desire or CLUE how to be winners. Jameis worst game as a quarterback is still better than the majority of Dungy led offenses we were forced to suffer through. it’s a shame the one dimensional one wasted 99,55,47,20 they deserved more than 2 pathetic playoff wins in 6 years.
November 7th, 2017 at 11:03 am
@DB55
What would be the completion rate if it were Brees, Dak or someone with an arm. You and I both know it would be much higher.
The other thing not discussed is that Jameis is mostly getting the ball to the receiver when the D backs converge. What would be the completion rate if someone were hitting them in stride or when they are open.
To me, JW is just a QB that is slow. He takes to much time to set up. he is slow in his reads and slow to react.
November 7th, 2017 at 11:04 am
Kid will learn from this! Teachable moment. Nobody loves you but mama! Just play ball and leave the high jinks behind.
November 7th, 2017 at 11:04 am
@lamarcus… this O is loaded and has more weapons than any other buc team maybe in franchise hisory. ME 13 hasn’t taken a huge step back, d jax is running wide open, Brate makes tons of great catches. Jameis is way off.That clown crap on the sidelines and the W speech is the problem. We need to get serious talent? We have serious talent. We need an updrade in the rb department, but we need jameis to hit wide open recievers and not turn the ball over and to take the easy play to move the chains. We also need him to be smart and mature and stop the flips and shovels that result in turnovers.
November 7th, 2017 at 11:09 am
He’s decision making and accuracy are garbage. 9 points in all first halves this season and people blame the defense. who wants to play for such an incomptent QB? He puts us in a hole every single game and most often than not- makes sure we stay there.
I never expected leadership or any of that crap from a rookie or a 23 years old lousy QB so I don’t care about that even. I don’t think proffessional football players should look at him for leadership or to get fired up. He can only be a leader when he’s cool, playes well and becomes a winner but that’s likely not going to happen. let’s cut our loses and move on.
November 7th, 2017 at 11:10 am
I wasn’t a Jamies fan, but he won me over since joining the Bucs. However, now he seems to be regressing. I’m ok with him playing poorly, because he is young and still learning and developing…but we are now focused on this incident that has nothing to do with his play, but on a very poor error in judgement on his part, which is what plagued him in his college years. I sincerely hope this wakes him up a bit, gets him refocused. Go Bucs!
November 7th, 2017 at 11:12 am
This will all blow over as Jameis has been attacked much worst than this. He works too hard and cares too much but no one knows that in the national media as all they do is go to the headlines and make their uneducated opinion. Jamies in not perfect but I love all of this he was not playing well before the injury garbage. Where was that talk before the injury? He was not playing as well as he can but he was certainly not playing poorly and again he has zero running game and the knowledge that if he turns the ball over at all we are toast cause our defense is horrible. When you are trying to be careful with the ball but your offense is predicated on taking shots that is kind of a bad combination. He is trying to aim and be too careful. No one can play QB that way and that is the problem it is all him or nothing. While I like him and wanted him here he is not that player yet. All this piling on will go away the question is will we give him the help/support he deserves or are we going to drive another possibly great player out only to watch him dominate elsewhere?
November 7th, 2017 at 11:13 am
Jameis needs work. It’s got nothing to do with the shoulder. We knew this coming into the season. So, to be fair, lets not get too carried away in his defense. He’s a 3rd year QB.
OBVIOUSLY, this is a team game and no ONE person on this football team is without fault.
The media scrutiny comes with being THE GUY. When we start winning, it will go away. Simple!
November 7th, 2017 at 11:16 am
Mike n
On paper it looks good. But on the field they are trash. I need JW to be jw. Not matt Ryan or blaine gabbert. We don’t have serious talent. Defense is soft as pudding. Offense doesn’t click with djx it just doesnt
November 7th, 2017 at 11:17 am
“Is America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston, simply a 23-year-old franchise QB with a bad shoulder on a team with no defense or rushing attack?”
Bucs organization to QB prospect: Hi! We’re drafting you! You’ll have no running game and a defense that gives up 28 points a game and then we’ll blame you for everything!
QB prospect to Bucs organization: Wow! Where do I sign? How long before you release me before I can leave and go to the playoffs with another team? You guys have a proven track record! :p
November 7th, 2017 at 11:19 am
Good Jameis has shown the ability to practically will his team to victory. Bad Jameis makes it harder to win. Both versions of Jameis are contagious. This year we’re seeing way too much Bad Jameis for the team to overcome contributing to apathetic play by others.
November 7th, 2017 at 11:21 am
yep….the deniers …enablers…
“mike n Says:
November 7th, 2017 at 11:04 am
@lamarcus… this O is loaded and has more weapons than any other buc team maybe in franchise hisory. ME 13 hasn’t taken a huge step back, d jax is running wide open, Brate makes tons of great catches. Jameis is way off.That clown crap on the sidelines and the W speech is the problem. We need to get serious talent? We have serious talent. We need an updrade in the rb department, but we need jameis to hit wide open recievers and not turn the ball over and to take the easy play to move the chains. We also need him to be smart and mature and stop the flips and shovels that result in turnovers.”
November 7th, 2017 at 11:21 am
I love rough players. No softies. I’m against ppl against what JW and me13 did. At that time. Any other time I would say it was dumb but when it happens i was smiling in relief
This team needed to kick someone ass. Someone anyone. Kick some more ass plz. If every buc had the sAmerican hard nose mentality we could be undefeated today. That incident was a message to league that cuz they ain’t winning they are not soft and u will get ur ass whooped.
Toughness
November 7th, 2017 at 11:24 am
I have to wonder if Jameis woke up and suddenly discovered he had fingers sunday. Pregame speech he tried eating them and after getting knocked out of game he was on sideline poking saints player with them???? Maybe its just me but when I think of a leader of a football team this image I just described DOESNT come to mind. And for people throwing out stats is meaningless. Only stat that basically matters is WINS and LOSSES. Looks like the bucs dont have real good stats this year.
November 7th, 2017 at 11:25 am
I don’t want hear “He is a qb. He can’t poke at nobody off the bench” I love the Jw the football player more the Jw the qb. Idc someone needs to make a statement on the Bucs.
November 7th, 2017 at 11:27 am
JameisNOT has been delivered what is deserved from the national media. You should have heard Skip Bayless and Shannon Sharpe on talk radio this morning. True, it is sad that he did not have the correct upbringing that would have instilled morals and ethics.. that part is kind of not his fault. You see, morals and ethics are instilled into a child by the time they are 13-14 years of age. AND if he does not have it at 23 he NEVER will. The same with brainpower: you cannot ask people to take on more than their brain can handle. Just look at Gomer Pyle, he went from Mayberry to the Marines and was still as DUMB AS A BAG OF HAMMERS. Guys, you just cannot teach a DUMB dog new tricks. I have been trying to tell you all this for some time now. Some of you are like that hot chick that thinks she can fix a guy that continues to beat on her……..not happening.
November 7th, 2017 at 11:28 am
Lamarcus???? your definition of toughness is a quarterback on the sideline poking an opposing player????? How about show your toughness on the field????
November 7th, 2017 at 11:30 am
The Buc Realist Says:
November 7th, 2017 at 10:16 am
Don’t worry Joe!!!!! The Bucs just need to sign up for “Hard Knocks’ again next season to change all the national perspective!!!!!!!!
NO @REALIST….WE WILL NOT BE ON HK BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE A NEW HC….teams that have a new HC are not allowed to be featured on HK….LOL….GO BUCS!!!!
November 7th, 2017 at 11:36 am
LC
its about time you come out of hiding….joe wrote sunday after the game how this defense is worse than lovie and has regressed from last year….
EAT CROW CHUMP!!!!
you don’t know what to think anymore because you’ve been work from the beginning….good riddance…and take @realist with you….GO BUCS!!!!
November 7th, 2017 at 11:38 am
Jameis is 23 years old. That’s essesntially a toddler-level age in the NFL.
We are experiencing the “terrible two’s”
We’re very lucky to have Jameis. It’s going to be a bumpy ride before before we get to that elite plateau when he turns 26 or 27.
The good news – this is rock bottom. 5 game losing streak. Jameis is hurt and being ridiculed nationally. Best WR suspended. they can and will lose more games, but this is rock bottom.
Now Jameis gets to take a pause – no Hard Knocks cameras or national media in his face adoring him – and he has to watch a lost season from the sidelines. there’s a chance this is that slap in the face reset everyone needs every once in awhile.
We’re lucky to have JW. Let’s hope this current situation is a great growing and learning moment for him.
November 7th, 2017 at 11:41 am
Yea man. Show ur not gonna be bullied. Kick ass man. Lattimore is a known offender to go to sideline and make fun of ppl. He did that in college. So I have no problem me and jw beating him or antone up for doing that. Toughness
November 7th, 2017 at 11:42 am
@813bucboi
Teams with new coaches are “allowed”!!!!! But they can use an exemption so the new Head Coach can implement their system without the “distraction” of hard knocks!!!!!!! Which does not matter because 1.) Until I have heard different, I like the owners will give the coaching staff a pass!!!! and 2.0 The Bucs just did it, so they can use exemptions for the next 9 seasons!!!!!!!!!!!
If no team “volunteers” for hard knocks, then the nfl will select a team!!! But there are three exemptions from being forced from the ‘distraction”
1) They have a first-year head coach in place; 2) They have a playoff berth in the past two seasons; 3) They have appeared on Hard Knocks in the past 10 years.
Go Bucs
November 7th, 2017 at 11:47 am
813 – yep just got back in town / to work today.
I’ll eat crow and say I was wrong about this staff man. At least I can own my sh1t. But I’m not going anywhere. Been a fan since I was born in Tampa over 30 years ago. Some posters actually appreciate positive posting and positive takes on this team / players / etc in the midst of all the hatred and pessimism on this site that stems from a losing franchise. Some posters don’t root for this team to fail over some dumb4ss agenda against a coach or player(s).
and lol @ you saying that i’m “hiding” again. I was getting drunk in New Orleans and having the time of my life even after a loss because life is short man. It’s extremely rare you will ever see me posting on this site or any sites on a Sunday or weekend or even weeknight- win or lose.
November 7th, 2017 at 11:54 am
To be rational and yall feel better. Tha fight proves Koetter lost his team.
November 7th, 2017 at 11:56 am
Jameis enablers….”.those living in a bubble can’t see the bubble”…
November 7th, 2017 at 11:57 am
ALL of Jason Licht draft picks that’s still with the Bucs, are stinking the field. So much for the GRAND SLAM!
November 7th, 2017 at 11:58 am
Nobody places any credability in what you say Buc Realist. You were one of the..ring leaders in support of hiring Koetter. You praised his hiring to the..7th galaxy. Saying what he was going to do. Your Points are on MOOT!!
November 7th, 2017 at 11:58 am
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Jameis played 4 healthy games this year, the first 4 games … Bucs were 2-2 and if not for getting Folked, would have been 3-1 … and Jameis was on pace for 4,792 yards, 28 TDs and 12 INTs and had a higher completion percentage and lower INT percentage than Wentz and Dak … then he got injured and the season went to crap.
Lazy media narratives drive me nuts!
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November 7th, 2017 at 12:01 pm
The blame should be on EVERYONE! JW is to blame, the offensive personnel, the defensive personnel. All coaches, management…everybody. No one should be comfortable thinking they have job security.
The Glazers need to step into an all staff meeting and let everyone know that their jobs aren’t safe. We can find 53 new players , 23 new coaches a GM and the 20 or so key managers and scouts. They need to show some pride. Their father bought the team with a winning mentality and they have let it slip back into the laughing stock of the league. Rebuilding with a few key pieces (whomever they prove to be) only takes a couple of years. But it can’t be done with complacency and a losing mentality.
Apathy is not the answer!
November 7th, 2017 at 12:02 pm
And Saints Safety Vonn Bell, who Jason Licht passed up for a bum kicker. Had the highest grade 90.1 overall grade.
November 7th, 2017 at 12:07 pm
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Had Jameis pulled a Luck and just sat out the past 4 games after getting injured in Arizona, the team would be 2-6 but the media and everyone else would be saying, “Just wait till Jameis comes back, the kid was on pace for 4,792 yards, 28 TDs, 12 INTs and had a higher completion percentage and lower INT percentage than both Wentz and Dak at the time he got hurt” …
But, Jameis played hurt, the result wasn’t pretty and now he’s getting killed for it … it was the same thing with the so-called “poor word choice” he used while being a leader in the community and trying to inspire kids on his off-day instead of going to the club and partying … Jameis is ALWAYS trying to the right thing and giving his all to the team and the media loves to kill him whenever they can.
Jameis, due to his immense success at such an early age with the Heisman, NCAA title, #1 pick, youngest Pro Bowl QB, youngest QB to 1-9k yards and 1-60 TD passes, etc … coupled with his wild times in Tallahassee, has a ton of haters in the media and tons of folks that look for every chance to just kill the kid if they can … that will probably never change, but I believe it has made Jameis who he is and has given him very think skin.
Jameis is a true alpha and leader, he’s the anti-Cam Newton if you will … he takes responsibility for everything, never throws teammates under the bus, etc … the kid is unbelievably professional with unbelievable thick skin.
However, one thing the media has also been saying is that Jameis got drafted by a bad organization … and that is true …
I’m starting to wonder if Koetter will get the ax but Licht, as a former Patriot will stay and offer the head coaching job to Patriots D Coordinator Matt Patricia who will bring Jsh McDaniel along as his O Coordinator … I certainly wouldn’t complain if that happened as I have no doubt McDaniel could do wonders with 2-TE sets and even a slot guy like Humphries … and also out stable of under-performing RB’s … some organizations just now what they’re doing and others don’t …
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November 7th, 2017 at 12:08 pm
The Bucs top grades against the Saints
Per Pro Football Focus
DI Gerald McCoy, 80.6 overall grade
Edge Robert Ayers, 78.9 overall grade
RT Demar Dotson, 77.1 overall grade
S T.J. Ward, 76.2 overall grade
CB Ryan Smith, 75.6 overall grade
I give Ali Marpet a free pass, only a Idiot would move him to Center
November 7th, 2017 at 12:10 pm
Tampa Bay Buccaneers head coach Dirk Koetter announced that guard Ali Marpet is expected to permanently move to center in the upcoming season, according to ESPN’s Jenna Laine.
The former second-round draft pick’s career is going exactly the way Tampa Bay envisioned it as he took a big step forward in 2016 and ranked 13th among guards with a grade of 84.5 after earning an overall grade of 75.5 in his rookie year.
Furthermore, Marpet is part of a group of elite guards in the NFL, as his run-blocking grade of 84.4 ranked fifth last season, ahead of the likes of Oakland’s Kelechi Osemele and Buffalo’s Richie Incognito.
November 7th, 2017 at 12:10 pm
Gomer Pyle ……smh
November 7th, 2017 at 12:23 pm
LC
im a positive fan….but I also call it how I see it….for you and @realist and others to praise dirk before a game was even played is ridiculous….I’M A TRUE BUCS FAN….you and your booty partner are fans of dirk…hold your coach accountable….he’s incompetent to say the less….you and realist have lost all credibility….no one will believe a word you say from here on out….sit down and be humble!!!….GO BUCS!!!!
November 7th, 2017 at 12:25 pm
You know what?
I don’t care what anyone else says.
These are my Bucs. Jameis made a few mistakes…just like young QBs do. It’s the way of the NFL.
That crap about his injury being faked? @#$$ them. We know that’s not one bit true, and shame…SHAME…on any media source that promotes that concept.
And I’ll say something else too. Good Job, Mike Evans. I’m proud that he stuck up for his QB. Notice the media is not showing anything that happened BEFORE Winston put his finger on the guys helmet? They are not showing what led up to the confrontation at all.
Because it was probably justified.
#KeepKoetter
#KeepLicht
#KeepWinston
#GoBUCS!
November 7th, 2017 at 12:26 pm
813bucboi Says
“im a positive fan…”
LOL!!!!!!!!
Oh, wait…you’re serious?
November 7th, 2017 at 12:27 pm
Bobby M. Says:
November 7th, 2017 at 10:50 am
Lets be clear….Jameis wouldn’t be “attacked” by the media if he hadn’t built a resume of questionable actions over the years….People are acting like this is just one rare instance.
At FSU: rape allegations, stealing crab legs, yelling profanities about women in a public setting….those are the things we know of.
He’s been well guarded with the Bucs but when given glimpses, his true character comes out. Jameis is what he’s always been…..Dungy commented on this years back. He has character concerns and personality flaws that are just not normal or professional. If that’s your DE or WR….basically any other position….nobody cares. But teams are built around the QB….and you’re asking grown men that are expected to operate as professionals to have to swallow what Jameis is serving? Nobody’s buying it anymore….They may walk the company line because they understand the business and investment made in Jameis but nobody’s rallying around Winston. He’s the centerpiece of the problem both on the field and likely behind the scenes.
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Bobby M. Exactly right. The cat is outta the bag now. ” He’s been well guarded with the Bucs but when given glimpses, his true character comes out. Jameis is what he’s always been…”. Well said. Dilly Dilly!
November 7th, 2017 at 12:31 pm
@REALIST SAYS…..Until I have heard different, I like the owners will give the coaching staff a pass!!!!
LOL….the owners don’t know you and wouldn’t listen to you if you were the voice in their heads….
please explain why dirk will be retained, without using the HK, lack of talent or still coaching the lovie out of players excuse….please do…this team has double the talent lovie had and the entire team is worse….offense is worse…defense is worse…coaching is worse….Winston is worse….
you thinking dirk will be retained is a pipe dream….a crack pipe dream!!!!….did you not see the look on his face during the scuffle…he knows he’s gone….LOL….GO BUCS!!!
November 7th, 2017 at 12:32 pm
#FIRELICHT Licht” “drafted marpet to play center” Fail Licht: drafted smith as a safety” FAIL, let penn go Fail, drafted hargreaves Fail, drafted a kicker passed on needs FAIL….the GM is solely to blame for this crud in this organization
November 7th, 2017 at 12:35 pm
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/progress-from-jameis-winston-is-all-that-stands-in-the-way-of-a-buccaneers-title-run/
November 7th, 2017 at 12:37 pm
Absolute madness everywhere. Don’t go on Twitter it’s ugly out there.
November 7th, 2017 at 12:39 pm
Buccaneer Bonzai Says:
November 7th, 2017 at 12:26 pm
813bucboi Says
“im a positive fan…”
LOL!!!!!!!!
Oh, wait…you’re serious
the only thing funny is you @realist, @LC and your #keepkoetter….LOL…
you are part of the group along with @realist that praised this incompetent staff….now your looking just as dumb as them….posting stupid stuff like #keepkoetter goes shows your more of a dirk fan than a bucs fan….bucs fans want to see improvement…NOT REGRESSION!!!!…you along with your dirk fan club have lost all credibility….everyone knows dirk will be fired just like your fan club knew lovie would be fired….simple as that!!!!
HE WHO LAUGHS LAST, LAUGHS THE LOUDEST!!!!….GO BUCS!!!!
November 7th, 2017 at 12:42 pm
“Buccaneer Bonzai Says:
November 7th, 2017 at 12:26 pm
813bucboi Says
“im a positive fan…”
LOL!!!!!!!!
Oh, wait…you’re serious?”
Thank you man. Knowing which posters here typically actually take 813 seriously; and which ones don’t; is very re-assuring at least.
I was on board with firing Lovie and promoting Koetter.
I praised the decision but you won’t find posts of me EVER saying I thought Koetter was one of the best coaches in the league – or anything that he’s suggesting I said basically lol. He has to put words in my mouth / suggest that I was saying insane over the top sh1t because he can’t argue against my actual points I’ve made over the years using logic.
The arguments we had – were because 813 thought Lovie should have stayed; and that Koetter and Smith were bad hires.
Well to this date – Lovie smith is still a terrible coach and was a terrible hire. He hasn’t won sh1t since leaving; and has produced worse teams than when he arrived. Period.
So 813 was still just as wrong about Lovie; as anyone else has been wrong about Koetter.
Lol @ anyone that is patting themselves on the back after their team loses and coming on this site all excited as f*ck to talk sh1t to posters that were being positive about the team and then calling yourself a “positive fan”
what a f*cking joke lol
November 7th, 2017 at 12:43 pm
Would the team have been 9-7 last season with or without JW?
November 7th, 2017 at 12:44 pm
I remember 813 praising Dirk when the Bucs were on a roll last season…
November 7th, 2017 at 12:46 pm
Mike Johnson Says:
November 7th, 2017 at 11:58 am
Nobody places any credability in what you say Buc Realist. You were one of the..ring leaders in support of hiring Koetter. You praised his hiring to the..7th galaxy. Saying what he was going to do. Your Points are on MOOT!!
^^PREACH!!!^^….
you can throw:
@unbelievable
@LC
@Bonzai
@stpete
@pickgrin
@hawaiian
TO THAT LIST AS WELL…..GO BUCS!!!!
November 7th, 2017 at 12:48 pm
Buc1987 Says:
November 7th, 2017 at 12:44 pm
I remember 813 praising Dirk when the Bucs were on a roll last season
NO BUDDY…I WAS GIVING CREDIT WHEN CREDIT WAS DUE….HUGE DIFFERENCE!!!!!…GO BUCS!!!!
November 7th, 2017 at 12:48 pm
I think we have to be honest and just believe who Winston is. He is a flashy quarterback who throws a lot of picks. Let’s not get wrapped up in what we want him to be because we are so desperate. He plays so emotionally and makes a lot of mistakes. He has some upside but is not a franchise qb. The end of the pats game should prove that folks!
November 7th, 2017 at 12:54 pm
Jameis will get another chance….and that will seal his fate…I hope his accuracy magically improves….lol….what you see is what you get…it is possible Jameis has reached his ceiling…
November 7th, 2017 at 12:55 pm
NFLNUTJOB : JamesisNOT is done in Tanpa Bay. Let it go. Stop with all the ifs and buts and start to come up with the realization that he will boy make it in the NFL. He may make a team in the CFL. It’s okay to accept that you were wrong. Same with the Lordnutjob.
Start supporting who we have and that is Ryan Fitzpatrick
November 7th, 2017 at 12:57 pm
Time to change another nickname.
America’s Punch-line has a good ring to it.
November 7th, 2017 at 1:01 pm
LC
stop!!!…your making things worse for yourself….
if lovie was a horrible coach as you’ve described, what does that make dirk….EVEN WORSE!!!!….dirk is going worse with more talent…..he’s going less with more….at least with lovie we had no defense…very little offense….now we have no defense and no offense….
their were only a few that knew dirk and smitty were bad hires….now he’s being exposed for what he is….don’t get mad at me for telling you how it is…be mad at dirk…h3ll, the entire locker room is mad at dirk….he’s an incompetent fraud….
as @87 tried to point out, I gave dirk credit when he deserved it….an criticized him when he deserved it….I’ve consistent….I understand…TRUTH HURTS!!!!….GO BUCS!!!!
November 7th, 2017 at 1:03 pm
Over and over and over we go over their body over there helments over their outreached fingertips. Again and again and again. I get that Mr. Winston is a 23 year old young man. But he is the one making the throws or did I miss something, the players are wide open and he misses them by 10+’ yards. When will he learn to throw to the open guy, I know it takes a few seconds to look off the guy you have had your eyes on from before the snap. But this is how the better than average QB’s do it. Hit the guy who is open and allow him to do his thing. Could our QB use a better running game , Yes. Could our QB place the ball in better spots? Yes I hope so.. Could our QB learn to not throw into double and triple coverage, Yes. Will he that is the question. He is in his 3rd year of a 5 year contract. Based on his record of Wins&Losses at the 2.5 year mark, should we be thinking about how much he might cost this team, per season and not learn to look off his receivers, to place the ball better, to actually Wins ton of games. My fingers are crossed. Because at the end of the season it will be his lack of success at the QB position that causes other grown men to lose their jobs due to the over throws, under throws and throws to covered receivers. Is it all his fault ? Not all but he is the guy on the field who is the one who is supposed to be so “football intelligent” and keeps making the same bad plays again and again. I am not a fan of the 2nd year cycle of changing coaches. How can a team grow together if the coaches change every two seasons.
November 7th, 2017 at 1:03 pm
Pretty soon 813’s list of posters that take him seriously will be just Mike Johnson / Wewantgruden and maybe that Supersam guy who is still talking up Marcus Mariota. Wewantgruden hadn’t even ever posted here until the team was looking bad lol; which says a lot about their motivations….
November 7th, 2017 at 1:06 pm
As for Winston, all this losing and being lead by incompetent coaches will drive any man that cares about winning insane….you think the glazers aren’t noticing his behavior…..they’ll get the right coaches in here to show Winston how to be a QB and a leader….he’ll be fine once dirk and smitty are shown the door on BLACK MONDAY!!!….GO BUCS!!!!
November 7th, 2017 at 1:08 pm
“Perhaps now more of you understand why Joe calls Jameis “America’s Quarterback,” part of that includes the nation ready to bury the guy any good chance they get.”
First, let’s be clear, Tom Brady is America’s Quarterback.
Dak Prescott would be America’s Quarterback WAY BEFORE Jameis.
The majority of NFL fans know little about Jameis, other then the info put out by the drive-by sports media. In my personal experience, I typically still get a joke about crab legs and/or FSU RAPE. One of the reasons why this still sticks ? “America’s Quarterback” has done nothing ! zilch ! zero ! He is not a good QB. He is not a “winning” QB. He is not mature, accurate, or smart with where he delivers the football. He has ZERO BIG/IMPORTANT game wins in front of a national audience against a good football team. ZERO. How many does Dak have? Wentz ? Not only do the cowboys/eagles have a massive fan base, but they win games with a young QB. The drive-bys love and will always cover these teams at rate FAR MORE then they cover Tampa/Winston EVEN IF we started to win more games and Jameis figured out how to throw slants on target. … Let’s stop you right there. Attacking Joe’s credibility is never ok. Second, Joe has been calling Jameis America’s Quarterback since before he was drafted. Don’t like the nickname or any nickname, whatever. It’s a nickname, like many others. Joe called Jameis that because he moved the proverbial needle in the media in a huge way before he was in the NFL, and he had the talent and charisma to earn the moniker.–Joe
November 7th, 2017 at 1:11 pm
LC
THATS A LIE…..
many posters have been agreeing with me….here’s one for example:
FortMyersDave Says:
November 7th, 2017 at 10:43 am
813bucboi: I agree, 6-10 got Lovie the pinkslip and many feel that the collapse in washington was the one loss of those 10 that tipped the scale against lovie as they blew a 24-0 lead to a bad team (Koetter took the low road, letting a bad AZ team roll up a 24-0 lead, but similar embarrassment)….
again STOP!!!!…your making yourself like dumber by the day….GO BUCS!!!
November 7th, 2017 at 1:16 pm
I wish we were in an alternate universe and the “I told you so” crowd were spewing praise and surprise at the winning Bucs.
Saying “I told you so” when the team stinks is a bit bittersweet.
FIX the dog-gone problems so that I can watch decent football for a change….pretty please!
November 7th, 2017 at 1:17 pm
How about instead of playing Fitz, we take Ryan Griffin off the IR eligible list and start him at QB. Let’s see what he can do…
November 7th, 2017 at 1:20 pm
Lord CORN: I have been on this site for quite some time. Changed the name when it was needed because WE NEED GRUDEN. He will flush out dumb as a bag of hammers winston and demand accountability. You have added no value to this site…only to attack people with real conversation. You are wrong every week, it must be draining on you. Just maybe you and JamesISNOT can find a two for 1 psycho analysis plan on Groupon.
November 7th, 2017 at 1:21 pm
“Saying “I told you so” when the team stinks is a bit bittersweet”
Nailed it.
November 7th, 2017 at 1:33 pm
Hey LC
Kobe dont like to admit im particailly wrong, because its very rare but
Ryan Smith can tackle and actually tackle well
put him back to safety and replace justin evans
ryan actually wants to still his neck out there and mix it up
how did ryan smith look live?
November 7th, 2017 at 1:33 pm
But 813…you talk as if you never supported Koetter all along…when that’s simply not true….
813bucboi Says:
June 28th, 2017 at 10:54 am
“he did a decent job last year…hope he improves his play calling….GO BUCS!!!”
Another….
813bucboi Says:
November 30th, 2016 at 4:44 pm
“i’ll be the first to admit I wasn’t on board with the dirk hire but he is a good coach…seems to be pushing all the right buttons….players look prepared and focused…I still believe jameis has more to do with it than anything but dirk has proved me wrong and is showing he knows what he’s doing….”
From that to this….in blink of an eye….
November 7th, 2017 at 1:36 pm
DB55
Lots of day left but I suspect you’ve already posted my favorite…
Putting the actual %’s really nails it and when you look at it…it’s pretty much how it seems…at least about what I would have expected…
Nothing like a simple response with FACTS…
BOOM…BOOM…BOOM…Get that weak shyte outta here!
Well done DB55
November 7th, 2017 at 1:36 pm
“Lord CORN: I have been on this site for quite some time. Changed the name when it was needed because WE NEED GRUDEN. He will flush out dumb as a bag of hammers winston and demand accountability. You have added no value to this site…only to attack people with real conversation. You are wrong every week, it must be draining on you. Just maybe you and JamesISNOT can find a two for 1 psycho analysis plan on Groupon.”….
I’ve been posting on various Buc site as long as the internet hosted them…been here under different handle too…
I have always posted my opinion…never got into the verbal assaulting other posters with different opinion….and oh..the self distiction of being “areal Bucs fan”….LOL….yeah..that really is a convincing touch to arguing a position or making a point…..carry on folks..Joe has started another story….take the fight over there…
November 7th, 2017 at 1:37 pm
Normally I just read the comments because some posters say the same thing I would but for goodness sake I cant keep my mouth closed on this. JW seem like the only one who wants to win on EVERY Sunday! And for those who didn’t watch the game Sunday, the NO player came to OUR sideline and started running his mouth. Im glad JW and ME13 showed some anger and fire and not letting the opponent talk crap. Not the best move, but damn im glad somebody on the team is angry
November 7th, 2017 at 1:37 pm
You tell me attacking your credibility is never ok, but then you delete the part of my question asking why you call Dirk Koetter a “winning head coach” 11-13 overall record. I will let your answer on why you call Jameis “America’s Quarterback” speak for itself.. This isn’t a question and answer forum, never has been. Nicknames are nicknames.–Joe. . by the way.. man would i LOVE to have Dak,Wentz,Carr,Goff,Watson,etc.. the many other quarterbacks higher up on the list of “America’s young and talented up-and- coming quarterbacks”. I wish Winston possessed the maturity of these guys..
November 7th, 2017 at 1:44 pm
Lamarcus
Rodgers is overrated. Bree’s too. But Jameis is great
You are now La cray cray.
Keep smoking the funky herb
November 7th, 2017 at 1:49 pm
@Ryan….one does not mature at 23…well not emotionally….his behaviors require weekly couch time with a shrink…maybe 3 times a week next off season…still won’t fix inaccuracy ….
November 7th, 2017 at 1:57 pm
“how did ryan smith look live?”
I thought he looked OK from what I remember. In general the D looked respectable to start the game; but then I got way too drunk and it’s all kind of a blur beyond that lol
November 7th, 2017 at 2:00 pm
Spbf
Thank you I aim to please
November 7th, 2017 at 2:06 pm
Ryan Clark “He (Jameis) put Mike Evans in that position”…
Exactly.
Not how a leader should behave. He’s still young though. Hopefully some time on the sidelines will allow him to wise up and see the errors of his playing and actions this season.
@813 – try to be a little more emotional, can ya? You haven’t been melting down enough on this site yet.
November 7th, 2017 at 3:12 pm
Seen the video of Winston sticking his fingers in his mouth and hopping around? Not inspiring. Just weird. Real leaders lead by example. No need to over hype.
November 7th, 2017 at 3:27 pm
I believe robert 9 is in here, under another name. He was the Ultimate Winston hater.
November 7th, 2017 at 3:32 pm
I saw 2 young very immature football players make bad decisions on Sunday, but at this point I’ll take pissed off frustration over nothing. Here’s hoping they learn from the mistakes and remember what this feels like so we don’t have to go through seasons like this again.
November 7th, 2017 at 4:07 pm
@87….
I gave the man props….I was never with the hire but I gave him credit when credit was due….I never praised him or thought he was going to be a major upgrade over lovie….
as you noted, I said he’s a decent coach…TRUE….he’s not HC material….I gave him credit for “pushing the right buttons”…..im crictizing him right doing nothing now….I said Winston made him look better than he was….and I was right….
like I told @LC, stop because your making yourself look real dumb….GO BUCS!!!!
November 7th, 2017 at 6:05 pm
On the bright side……I definitely see a Grey Cup in Jameis’s future!
November 7th, 2017 at 6:29 pm
wewantgruden Says
“Lord CORN: I have been on this site for quite some time. Changed the name when it was needed because WE NEED GRUDEN. He will flush out dumb as a bag of hammers winston and demand accountability. You have added no value to this site…only to attack people with real conversation. You are wrong every week, it must be draining on you. Just maybe you and JamesISNOT can find a two for 1 psycho analysis plan on Groupon.”
That in no way could be construed as an attack, could it?
Sorry, but you are wrong about Lord Corn. He and I do not always see eye to eye, but he’s been an solid contributor for a long while now.
You, on the other hand, tend to change names with the wind because you are so often exposed as a troll.
November 7th, 2017 at 6:31 pm
If you want to ruin your career come to Tampa Bay, where the fans will come after you with pitch forks IF you can not IMMEDIATELY be a perfect player…DOESN’T MATTER if your skill set was suppose to be enhanced and improved coming in as a young QB, kicker and a whole lot of of other wasted young talent!
Jameis will be fine, but the Tampa Bay Bucs was losing way before JW got here and they were 9and7 last year!
SMH…
as the coach says your playets are your players!
November 7th, 2017 at 7:51 pm
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CELLER DUELER aka Wewantgruden … I’m done with you as your comment about, “I hope Jameis never plays another down in the NFL” tells me you are a biased, hater and most likely a racist with no credibility at all … the kid will NEVER prove himself to the likes of you and no matter what he does you will WANT him to fail … have fun living your obviously extremely sad life … you’re not worth my time or any other poster’s time …
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November 7th, 2017 at 8:05 pm
Can’t wait until ALL the Winston BS settles down. I am sick of ALL of us arguing over him EVERY day on here. Fitzy will show us ALL what it’s like to play QB in this league. Watch him beat the Jets! This TEAM will play BETTER overall without JW. Watch and see! Go YUCS! Oh yeah, I almost forgot, Playoffs or Bust! You’re not off the hook Dirk!
November 7th, 2017 at 8:56 pm
Yea I thot Rogers was overrated by his miss throws. Thot. Fool. Can u read Bird? Or picking and choosing what u want to read
November 7th, 2017 at 9:00 pm
Wewantgruden
Jw is going nowhere.
November 7th, 2017 at 9:52 pm
JW is definitely a different breed NFL QB. He is unquestionably an alpha personality. That has aided him and been to his detriment. It has helped with 4th quarter comebacks but for a full game it has failed him. Where apparently in practice he can hit the longer throws he is inept in the game. Shoulder smoulder the med staff would not give him the go if he was injured to his detriment. I know he is 23 but enough of that! It is his third year and he is in the NFL! His emotional immaturity is his DNA and I don’t see it changing for several years down the road unfortunately. Where we all thought the signing of DJAX was a perfect fit has turned out to be anything but that. We’ll see if his sitting for two games or the rest of the season will allow him to emotionally grow up, I hope so! Go Bucs!
November 7th, 2017 at 11:14 pm
SMH…hopefully Fitz can help us when some games, isn’t he the over 10 year veteran back-up QB…he’s playd on a lot of different teams, not just the Bucs who Jameis can contribute his success😕 or his regression to😥
Go Bucs
November 7th, 2017 at 11:15 pm
My prediction for next season is that Koetter is still here. Along with Jameis. If they both do well and start to go on a winning streak. 813 will be BACK on JBF praising Koetter and telling us how he was wrong…again.
November 7th, 2017 at 11:22 pm
NFLNUT ignore the noise and don’t go down in the cellar, well creeps lurk!
JW short of permanent injury will piss a whole lot of people off on this
Site he is not Gerald and will fight through all this crap.
If not here, it will be QB on a better team in the NFL…
So many haters…
November 7th, 2017 at 11:22 pm
It says the Fitz curse is real.
November 7th, 2017 at 11:26 pm
This is damning. Google Fitzpatrick Curse. FITZ needs to go. Immediately
November 7th, 2017 at 11:31 pm
Fitz curse, man how about the Bucs curse? Where talented players careers die.
Kickers…etc.
November 7th, 2017 at 11:34 pm
ESPN has been waiting to pounce on him again for years.
November 7th, 2017 at 11:35 pm
Lol. That too. I never blame coaches but god damn koetter. U have everyone including JW looking bad
November 7th, 2017 at 11:41 pm
He got Lattimores attention then told him to go to his own side. Why is he the worst person in football now????? Don’t you think they are reaching a bit???
November 8th, 2017 at 12:11 am
^ Shane,
How dare you display such common sense when a Jameis witch-hunt is in progress.
Of course, you’re 100% right … I also had no issue at all with what Jameis did and I’m disgusted Koetter didn’t agree with Jameis and say Lattimore shouldn’t have been talking smack on our sideline or shoving Jameis for a harmless poke in the back of his helmet … instead he punked out to the rabib media … I lost some respect for Koetter when he did that.
November 8th, 2017 at 12:12 am
Lamrcus how many times can you recall this year a reciever catching a jameis pass in stride in getting yac. He is so late on all his throws that he takes the reciever to the ground with every catch because the safety is already there. Seriously this saints game when me caught that slant and ran for 8 yards then got hurt. I told my buddies that was the first time all year I remember him catching a ball in stride. Every other time he is sliding. That’s a problem along with the misses to me. The guys are open then he takes an extra second to read the play and by then the safety is there. As a qb timing into these small window a is as important as accuracy. And unfortunately he doesn’t do either great. Every week at halftime go look at the stats they look like this for the last three years 8-15 for 89 yards. Then 4th quarter they are 15-21 221. We still lose and if you didn’t watch game you see Winston threw for 300 yards and everyone is on his sac. Would you really be ok with paying jameis $25 million a year because that is what the next qb contract will be. As for me he’ll no. Steven smith said today that he would take Watson over Winston right now with his blown out knee. And you would do the same
November 8th, 2017 at 12:17 am
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I believe Jim Harbaugh, Jon Gruden, Rex Ryan, Bill Belichick and other actual tough SOB coaches would have stood up for Jameis during their press conference and said, “Mike Evans over-reacted and he knows that and admitted as such, but all Jameis was doing was getting Lattimore’s attention and telling him to get off our sideline. Lattimore than shoved Jameis for no reason and Evans came to his defense. Mike apologized but I’ll be darned if Jameis is going to apologize as he has nothing to apologize for. He’s our QB, our leader and he told Lattimore to get off our sideline and Lattimore wouldn’t so he gave him a tap on the back of his helmet to get his attention and Lattimore reacted with a shove for no reason.”
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November 8th, 2017 at 12:18 am
Jeffbuc
I couldn’t finish reading your post your 1st sentence
First of all watch the bucs games. ALL the receivers are falling. No yac at all. Djx relies on pin ppint and does alot of body catches. Anyway I know is not his best now. THIS WHOLE TEAM AROUND HIM IS WORSE. wake up. Not worried 25 million a year if we gmc for 16
November 8th, 2017 at 12:23 am
Second of all. If jw does play like wentz. Oh we will be still 2-6. Reminder we can’t have shoot outs every week if that’s what ppl are expecting. U guys want Saints vs Lions scores. That’s not sustainable. The defense is by far our weakest link.
25 mil is 2-3 years away. I’m at “right now” right now this team and fan base is toast
November 8th, 2017 at 12:32 am
Third of all
Jw= look for someone open offense
Any other qb= play by design offense
Jw is in a system that is built for Gabbert/Ryan/Garrard. Jw is a different type of qb that needs spots to throw to not windows. This routes seems too congested and it takes time for routes to develop =accuracy issues,holding the ball too long, misreads,etc
Jw doesnt got a reason to throw to him per hard knocks. Djx bitches and he gets his way which lead to force feeding. I can go on and on. Jw deserves critizism but calling him a bust will make u eat your words
November 8th, 2017 at 1:32 am
Lord corn,
JW has 4 4th qtr come from behind w’ s.
MM 5.
Lamarcus,
JW has the opportunity on the bulk of his plays to go with an open shorter route
routes (often more than one) but that’s not who He is throwing to. He looks down field and the longer He takes the lower the percentage of the receiver being open.
I say open , but reality is open is a relative term. The more accurate and fast the QB can throw the more receivers are open.
The problem is JW has areas of his game that become magnified when his attempts go up. The stats show the relationship between increases in atts and mistakes.
Point is JW is Not a guy who can be asked to throw the team to w’ s. Not yet any way. A more conservative approach is the best way to limit His mistakes. People have criticized the play calling that was run on 1st and 2nd throw on 3rd. Too conservative, everybody knows what plays were running, then when the play calling puts the ball in JW’s arm and passes on 1st 2nd and 3rd and its 3 and out
Fans complain it’s the scheme. Now that’s why fans are fans and not employed in the high paying field of coaching. Or management.
To make JW better , run the ball more and more efficiently. Easy to say but that’s not easy to just do. Which is why fans looking for a quick fix because they think that they are experts say fire the coach cut the players etc etc. If that is the best way then we wouldn’t be here today. Problems persist for as long as the root cause remain. That could a person or a thing. A bad GM or a bad decision can make a great coach look stupid.
The problem with this team is not one thing.
Not GMC not JW not Glazers etc etc. Fans 99% continue to see a single explanation for the team’s failures. If you keep sticking your finger on a hot stove why the neck are you still surprised it burns you. That’s Buc nation.
I ‘ve asked this question a couple times with out response. What’s this team’s identity? Then lately I’ve seen it voiced by the players. Players brought this up before any other experts and fans did. What happen is fans went right back to its scheme it’d HC it’s GMC whatever. The players just told the all the dumb azzz
Fans where to start looking.
The more people from Cleveland and NY move to Tampa the more our team looks those. Coincidence?