Mistakes Vs. Greatness
November 1st, 2017
Still an unknown.
What a cool story on America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston.
Joe has known the author of this piece, Dan Pompei, a long, long time. Really good dude and perhaps a better NFL writer. Last month he was hanging out at One Buc Palace to do a story on Jameis. Now we have it.
The story focuses on Jameis, both the good and the bad. The good is his immense talent and rare personality. The bad is his turnovers.
Pompei takes a deep dive into trying to figure out if Jameis’ headstrong (stubborn?) desire to wing balls downfield, and to hell if it will be picked or not, may just destroy a once-in-a-generation career.
Winston stands on the edge between careless and cunning. He is capable of so much. Whether or not he is capable of losing a part of himself will define what he becomes. …
“He has to know there is not a 14-point touchdown pass in our playbook, so we have to chip away,” Bucs quarterback coach Mike Bajakian says. …
The potential is there for Winston to be known as one of the NFL’s remarkable leaders, but in order for him to continue to take his leadership to another level, he will have to become a great quarterback. Rhyming is all well and good. Protecting the football is better—way better. And a leader who puts the football in the end zone will have more followers than one who puts the football in the hands of the opponent.
“I think Jameis is a daring football player,” says Phil Simms, who has studied all his games this year. “I love that about him. He throws the football down the field with conviction. He’s not afraid. He’s not worried about his completion percentage. He’s not Charlie Checkdown who doesn’t want to take a chance. If you want to say anything negative about him, it’s that he’s too daring with the football. He has a little Brett Favre, Ben Roethlisberger in him. There’s no window too small. I can throw the football through that crack.”
Simms added if a general manager told him he could have Jameis as his quarterback, Sims said the general manager wouldn’t be able to finish the sentence before Simms hollered “Yes!”
Bucs great Ronde Barber notes in the story how he loves Jameis too and believes he’s the guy the Bucs desperately need.
Then there are the turnovers. The fumbles. It’s a trait football folks love and loathe about Jameis. They love he isn’t scared. They loathe he isn’t scared.
This is what is frustrating. Every football person Joe has met that has dealt with Jameis comes away raving about his intelligence, his work ethic. Yet he doesn’t learn and continues to be sloppy with the ball. So how come such a smart person like Jameis — and he is — can’t learn this? And why won’t he?
Yeah, it’s great that Jameis wants to be a hero every game but it’s just not smart. That dumb shovel pass turned fumble he had against the Stinking Panthers was the latest example.
Pretty soon, if Jameis doesn’t start taking care of the ball better (Joe’s more concerned about fumbles than picks), Jameis and his headstrong ways are going to start costing his teammates and perhaps hi csoaches their jobs.
Jameis has rare, rare talent. He also has rare disregard for one of the highest commandments of football: Thou shall take care of the ball.
November 1st, 2017 at 9:04 am
For Phil Simms to say anything good at all about a member of this team means something. He has a personal grudge against the Buccaneers because of Chris.
November 1st, 2017 at 9:06 am
The fumble where he was getting sacked? The pick when he was getting sacked or the other pick where he had just gotten sacked and slammed on his head? Which TO are we talking about?
November 1st, 2017 at 9:10 am
Jameis is as dumb as a bag of hammers. Dumb QB’s do not make it in the NFL for very long. He scored one of the lowest Wonderlic test for starting QB’s in the NFL. Dumb people in general make dumb decisions when under pressure, as they forget what they were trying to do. In his case he forgets his progressions, forgets his routes, and forgets to protect the football. He performs well when the opposing team is in a prevent defense or in regular season games at the end of the year when the other teams are out of the playoff picture OR even better when they compete against team that have already solidified playoff spots and are not starting the first teamers in an attempt to not have them injured.
You cannot teach a dumb dog new tricks.
November 1st, 2017 at 9:14 am
The “He is still a young quarterback” excuses don’t apply anymore as he is now a 3rd year starter. The rah-rah and leadership is fine, but you have to play exceptional football. Jameis is who he is and he has to play smarter. You are what your record says you are and right now he is a 2-5 quarterback
November 1st, 2017 at 9:16 am
Never thought of that. Interesting.
November 1st, 2017 at 9:19 am
You talking about the same guy who had an academic scholarship to Stanford? Never heard of a dumb guy getting an academic free ride to Stanford.
November 1st, 2017 at 9:20 am
You can tell that he is trying to process something!!!! In the last 4 games he has really stared down every throw!!!!! His head never turns, like he has a terrible neck injury with a neck brace!!!!!! And when is the last time we have seen JW3 use a pump fake????? Besides a working run game to use the play-action to manipulate the back 7, the next best thing is looking off and pump fakes!!!!! And we have seen none as of late!!!!!!!!!
JW3 is not the only one that is making the offense under preform!!! He was moved out of the pocket way to much in the Carolina game!!!!! They have a great D-line in Carolina, But they were way to successful of dictating to our offense!!!!!!
Go Bucs!!!!!!!!!!
November 1st, 2017 at 9:23 am
At this moment there are rookies in the league that are out playing him with lesser talent around them
November 1st, 2017 at 9:26 am
Man not one Buc showed up in the community last night, but there was Chris Acher, JT Brown and Titus Oneil trying to make a community feel better. Not one buc just sad.
November 1st, 2017 at 9:28 am
@wewantgruden.
You do realize that 1. Your facts are wrong.jay cutler, carson palmer, cam newton. And BEN ROETHLISBERGER just to name a few all scored lower than jameis.
2. Wonderlic is overblown in its importance.
Brees. Peyton manning. And russell wilson all scored JUST. ONE. point higher.
you are a full blown moron man. Gtfo
November 1st, 2017 at 9:29 am
I think we probably all need to look at ourselves at 23. I can speak for myself and say that I was fortunate enough to be really talented at what i was doing at that time and coupled that with being reasonably intelligent. That formula resulted in being the most thick headed, insufferable person imaginable. You couldn’t tell me anything about what I was doing. I have a feeling that Jameis might have a touch of that. He knows what humble and coachable sounds like, but he’s been told enough times what a leader he is and how smart he is to probably start thinking that he knows better than everyone else how to do it.
November 1st, 2017 at 9:32 am
@DB55–LOL!!!!!!!!!, no doubt–dude gets crazy with the ball when he gets sacked–he just dont wanna take a sack no matter what.
Jameis is excellent when out of the pocket on the run and looking downfield, PFF has him ranked #1
https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-best-qbs-on-throws-outside-of-the-pocket
November 1st, 2017 at 9:38 am
@wewantgruden – so…..a college football national championship game doesn’t move the needle as far as high pressure situations?
November 1st, 2017 at 9:45 am
WeWantGruden- You want Gruden, the same guy that creams himself over Jameis, then you call Jameis dumb? I’m guessing you’re actually a Saints fan and this is where you go to get your troll rocks off between bong rips in your mom’s basement. I’ll bet you’re the type of guy that says all this sh!t online but can’t even make eye contact with people because you’re too damn insecure. Don’t ever talk about my quarterback like that you disrespectful, insignificant, small man.
BrianBucs: I agree that he needs to improve, but to pin the Bucs record on this
is simply lazy. If we had a kicker when we played the Patriots, Jameis would’ve beat Tom Brady and the greatest coach league history. If our defense could stop Lesean McCoy, or Carson Palmer, or Case Keenum, the narrative would be quite different.
As for the “rookies outplaying him” nonsense. Yeah, wait until teams have an entire offseason to watch film on Watson. Sure, he’ll be a baller in this league, but just because he’s hot now doesn’t mean he’s better than Winston.
Siege The Superdome
November 1st, 2017 at 9:53 am
Winston is most like Brett Favre on the field.
In 1992, Atlanta listened to their naysaying fans who claimed Favre sucked, and traded him to Green Bay.
In 1994, two years into his stint there, Green Bay began the season 3-4 and there was serious talk – even a vote – among Green Bay’s coaches as to whether to bench Favre in favor of Mark Brunell.
Heck, in 2002, he threw 6 interceptions in one playoff game.
Mike Holmgren: “Coaching Brett was like trying to rein in a giant stallion.”
John Elway: “Brett Favre’s in the top-5 as far as the greatest quarterbacks to ever play the game…He was a gunslinger and he wasn’t afraid to fail. That’s what made him great.”
“Those who cringed as Favre threw off his back foot or across his body to well-covered receivers labeled him a riverboat gambler. His coaches, especially Mike Holmgren, walked a fine line trying to curb his gaffes without cropping his greatness.” (BSPN)
Sound familiar?
November 1st, 2017 at 9:55 am
derrickbrooksforGM Says
“Man not one Buc showed up in the community last night, but there was Chris Acher, JT Brown and Titus Oneil trying to make a community feel better. Not one buc just sad.”
Don’t be silly. The bucs players do a ton of stuff in the community. Don’t go picking one event to assume they don’t.
November 1st, 2017 at 9:56 am
@wewantgruden .”He scored one of the lowest Wonderlic test for starting QB’s in the NFL” — Winston scored a 27 on the Wonderlic. One point below Peyton Manning, Drew Brees and Russell Wilson. Above Jay Cutler (26), Carson Palmer (26), Ben Roethlisberger (25), Cam Newton (24). Are you lying right now, or do you just not know how numbers work? I swear some people just love to make things up.
November 1st, 2017 at 9:59 am
BrianBucs Says
“At this moment there are rookies in the league that are out playing him with lesser talent around them.”
Colin Kaepernick.
Kid had an amazing rookie season, as you may recall.
Where is he now?
November 1st, 2017 at 10:01 am
R u kidding. Although the plays r dumb in hindsight but I never be mad at a player TRYING to do something anything to help us win. Most of the time the result is a dumb play. But damn u gotta love the kid heart and fight.
At the very least JW tries to do something to help us win even if he takes risk
November 1st, 2017 at 10:03 am
One thing I do notice something also was the word FAMILY. This year no family talk.
November 1st, 2017 at 10:05 am
hey @westernbuc: I do believe that your comments above towards me actually make you the insecure one. The Stanford academic claims are all BS in an attempt to build up his Heisman Trophy votes. No one at Stanford would do this: Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston stood on a table and yelled “f-ck her right in the p-ssy” on campus today, according to a bunch of students who saw him. He was suspended for doing this. He was an adult when he did it. Dumb as a bag of hammers with know morals. Morals cannot be taught to an adult, only a child. Gruden will cut or trade him within a few weeks of working with him, because that is how long it will take him to figure out that he is NOT smarter than a 5th grader.
November 1st, 2017 at 10:07 am
@wewantgruden
No offense, but you are coming off as an idiot. Better to be quiet and let people assume you are a fool than to open your mouth and prove it.
Just some free advice. Doubt you’ll take it though.
November 1st, 2017 at 10:10 am
The truth does hurt. I am tired of supporting a losing team with a lousy QB. 3 points with the talent around him is a joke.
November 1st, 2017 at 10:12 am
@wewantgruden – yeah, we all are. That still doesn’t mean that you get to spout off dumb, baseless things just because you’re upset. Let’s pick our game up a little, huh?
November 1st, 2017 at 10:15 am
Wonderlic scores Quarterbacks
Jameis Winston 27
Rich Gannon 27
Joe Flacco 27
Jay Cutler 26
Carson Palmer 26
Mike Glennon 26
Ben Roethlisberger 26
Dak Prescott 25
Mitch Trubisky 25
Tim Tebow 22
Brett Favre 22
Mark Brunell 22
Trent Dilfer 22
DeShaun Watson 20
Teddy Bridgewater 20
Derek Carr 20
Duante Culpepper 18
Terry Bradshaw 16
Dan Marino 16
Randall Cunningham 15
Dan Marino 15
David Garrard 14
Donovan McNabb 14
Jeff George 10
November 1st, 2017 at 10:16 am
@Joe – Is there any way to see if the Russians are flooding your comments section with a campaign of outrageous claims to get the masses stirred up toward a particular side of an argument? Might want to check the IP address for @wewantgruden…..
November 1st, 2017 at 10:17 am
Those are just a few. There’s a lot more who scored less than Jameis Winston.
November 1st, 2017 at 10:18 am
WeWantGruden-
I live on the west coast and actually know people that go or have gone to Stanford. They say stupid things too. They make mistakes as well. You’re delusional if you think every student there is a Boy Scout.
Go rewatch the hard knocks episode with Gruden, Rex Ryan, and Jameis. They were glowing in envy over him, openly wishing they had a guy like him when they coached. Heck, they might still be coaching if they had Jameis.
There’s no way Gruden would cut Jameis. In fact, if the Glazers stupidly fire Koetter, then tried to bring back Gruden, my bet is that Jameis would be the only reason he’d say yes.
November 1st, 2017 at 10:29 am
jameis is still young. But his progress is slower than the hype he was given. At times he looks better than Brady. And then, he can look like Chris Simms use to look. I do think Gruden would do a better job with him though. He needs a change plus different looks from another coaching perspective to grow. And he won’t get it from this current group of coaches. He’s gonna get better. Question is, How longs it gonna take? Our offense is Ok. I just want Bucs fans to remember historically, out calling card was always DEFENSE. And until thats built again, we wil always be a few points behind come game’s end.
November 1st, 2017 at 10:37 am
This blog is a microcosm of how soft we have become as Americans. Sorry to hurt the liberal left’s tender feelings. If you cannot handle the truth then get off of your electronic devices and jump on CNN. Although, I am impressed that your were able to determine my Russian ancestry….
The Glazers will not fire DK mid season but they will fire him and the GM at seasons end. Gruden is waiting in the wings.
November 1st, 2017 at 10:38 am
I think this whole 4,000 yards passing per season, has backfired. You don’t bring a rookie out of the box and make a Gunslinger out of him. There’s a reason why Jameis Winston is setting passing records ( First QB to pass for 4,000 yards in his first 2 seasons).
Ben Roethlisberger 2621 Passing Yards
Matt Ryan 3440 Passing Yards
Tom Brady 2843 Passing Yards
Russell Wilson 3118 passing Yards
Drew Brees 3284 Passing Yards
Donovan McNabb 3365 Passing Yards
Brett Favre 3227 Passing Yards
These are just a few QBs during their rookie season
Mistakes comes with the rewards
I believe it’s better to bring a young QB along slowly
Instead of turning him into a 21 year old Gunslinger
November 1st, 2017 at 10:40 am
Wewant buc
Pump the brakes a bit. One thing as a fan call someone sorry but u have gone too far. What u must be a new fan. Bucs invented losing so u must be be rroting for the wrong team. We loss and life is good
November 1st, 2017 at 10:47 am
@wewantgruden – shocker of all shockers. way to fit so neatly in to so very many cliches. you talk about a microcosms of societal issues we’re facing, while perpetuating that very thing yourself. You label and dismiss because someone doesn’t agree with you. When someone calls for accountability for ones claims that are slanderous, you claim that it’s just people getting hurt feelings. You, sir or ma’am, are part of the virus that is infecting our ability to have the type of discourse and open, if heated, debate that are what made the country great. You’re allowed to have whatever opinion you want, but you need to be able to back it up with strong arguments and be able to accept that others may have different opinions and both sides must respect each other’s differing opinions. You do none of that.
November 1st, 2017 at 10:55 am
Gruden, Wonderlic scores are the worst argument to make against Winston. Drafting would be easy if that were the case. Blaine Gabbert scored a 42. We should go get him.
November 1st, 2017 at 10:56 am
As of now wins and loses are what count. Why can’t we just run an efficient offense with quick throws out of his hands not much thinking not much protection needed.. Kinda like every freaking team that plays us does?? Week in week out. Records and slumps are broken and ended every week when they play us.. It’s getting old! Jameis is the same ole QB he was his sophomore year in college not very good.. Plays good at end of games and comes up short more times than not.. Puts the team behind and in bad situations and with this defense there is no room for this BS!!
November 1st, 2017 at 11:21 am
On JW:
How about not being able to read through his progressions.
How about being able to read the opponents D when they are not in prevent
How about overthrowing MANY open receivers, because he is not poised
How about preaching to much to grown men. They get tired of it FAST.
How about always saying we “gotta get better”…and gets worse.
In Closing: The only time he racks up yards is when they are either: way behind in a game (because of him) and the opposing team is in prevent OR playing games in the second half of the season that means nothing to the opposing team (made the playoffs or teams that are out of the playoffs trying to actually put in younger players for experience).
November 1st, 2017 at 11:22 am
Patrick
LMAO now I’m not feeling so badly. I started off with ten years as a morning man on the rock station…then 15 years as a TV Sportscaster.
Once the calls started coming in from groupies…I was on a billboard…it went straight to my head.
I certainly take your point!!! LOL But I feel #3 is more grounded than I was. But he plays to win…and in his mind he does whatever it takes.
I wish DK would take the approach of my father the bookie. Here is what he would be telling #3. He would skip all the slander and name calling we’re reading on this board right now…no talk of DUMB decisions and trying to shame somebody. My old man would have said simply cut to the chase.
Let’s look at #3’s worst play this past week that attempted shovel pass to Doug that turned into a fumble. My father wouldn’t slam #3 personally or call him names. As a bookie he’d sit him down and say let’s look at the odds.
In reality there was a CHANCE…1 in a million…1 in a thousand…we can debate but the chance of #3 completing that pass to Doug…him catching it and breaking a couple of tackles and going to the house was less than 1%!!!
The chance of #3 fumbling on that play was probably higher than 50%….IF he had simply eaten the ball and held on with two hands that drops to less than 10%. #3 needs to be carefully drilled on odds and %. DK then could simply say…do not try a play with less than 50% chance and especially avoid those plays that are in single digits like a 5% chance. It’s just the odds! #3 needs to learn how to pay attention to them. Maybe an evening with some of you poker players at the Hard Rock would teach him even more about odds and how you must play them to be effective in the long term…to be a WINNER!!!
November 1st, 2017 at 11:42 am
@Lakeland – EXACTLY right!! By all accounts, JW is an exceptional talent at QB, with darn near limitless potential due to his skill set, work ethics, and leadership qualities. IMO, He’s been fast-tracked as a result, and his head is swimming right now. He’s been asked to lead the locker room at the ripe old age of 23 – a monumental task of itself – and is throwing more often and further downfield than any other QB in the league if my recollection serves. I think we are seeing growing pains still in a lot of respects from the standpoint that he is still learning to make reads and progressions that most QBs aren’t asked to make at this early stage and had a limited period where he was playing with “training wheels” so to speak.
In my opinion, he’s been asked to do too much too soon. He doesn’t have the experience to be the focus of the offense, and doesn’t have the experience and credibility to be the leader of the clubhouse. The problem that now exists, though, is that you can’t “dumb things down” and let him progress at his own rate without wrecking his credibility as the leader.
IMO, this will be he biggest issue facing the team in the offseason in terms of the coaching staff. If JW needs less on his plate, the way you save his credibility is belt putting a strong-personality in place as head coach.
November 1st, 2017 at 11:45 am
@SPBF – I think you’re right, but the same could’ve been said about the 3rd and 19 play in Atl before he pulled off the miracle play that he did. Every statistic in the world said that he should have eaten that sack or thrown the ball out of bounds and lived to see another day. He knows that he has those kinds of plays in him, so in the moment he sees opportunities to make those plays that he knows he can make because he’s made them before. I know that mentality because I’ve been that guy. In a different capacity, of course, but it’s the same mindset. While he does have a disposition that makes us all want to attribute maturity to him, that doesn’t mean that he doesn’t have a lot of the same growing pains that we all needed to go through. The question is, how long will it take him to have his epiphany where he finally gets it. For me, it was 26. I’m certainly hoping that we don’t have 3 more years to wait before we start to see him wrap his head around these concepts
November 1st, 2017 at 11:47 am
Winston isn’t progressing the way everyone thought he would with the man that was promoted to take his game to the next level….sounds like an indictment on dirk….GO BUCS!!!
November 1st, 2017 at 11:48 am
Someone named “wewantgruden” says Jameis is dumb as a bag of hammers. Ohhhh the irony.
November 1st, 2017 at 12:01 pm
Bculaw, I’m not sold on the idea of a 23 year old QB, attempting 1348 passes. And people are talking about mistakes, a 23 year old attempting 1348 passes is the greatest MISTAKE. This is not COLLEGE, this is the NFL, the SUPREME league. The best football players on the planet. Russell Wilson only attempted 1252 passes during his first full seasons in the NFL. And he was almost 26 years old at the time.
November 1st, 2017 at 12:03 pm
Russell Wilson only attempted 1252 passes during his first 3 full seasons in the NFL. And he was close to 26 years old at the time.
November 1st, 2017 at 12:04 pm
Jamie’s only gets yards during garbage time or in prevent.
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He just put up 380 yards on the road against the one of the best defenses in the league. The margin never exceeded 7 points and we lost by 3. So how is it garbage time.
The stupidity of some buc fans is absolutely amazing.
November 1st, 2017 at 12:13 pm
I don’t care for yardage…if the points are not there, so what good is these yardage stats???
If he can’t throw to score a TD…what’s the point in having this 4000 plus yards????
Geesh…people looking for anything to justify Winston being a good QB…
He isn’t..he’s average to below at best…3 points a game, by our kicker doesn’t win games..
November 1st, 2017 at 12:27 pm
67 career TDs. Find me 1 qb that’s done that in first 2.5 years. While getting hit 260+ Times and playing hurt.
November 1st, 2017 at 12:56 pm
You can be a “Good” QB, but be on the wrong team
Doug Williams (Super Bowl MVP)
Steve Young (Super Bowl MVP)
Trent Dilfer ( Super Bowl Winner)
Chris Chandler ( Super Bowl QB)
Vinny Testaverde (46,233 Passing Yards) 275 TDS
Steve DeBerg ( Super Bowl) as backup, did win one game during the season
Josh McCown stats with 2014 Bucs
184-327 56.3%, 11 TD, 14 INT, 70.5 Passing Rate
Josh McCown stats with 2017 Jets
179-254 70.5% 12 TD, 7 INT, 95.3 Passing Rating
November 1st, 2017 at 1:43 pm
@DB55 you know you can’t ever underestimate the stupidity of Bucs fans!
For all you fans harping on the 3 points:
YOU DO REALIZE THAT CAROLINA ONLY SCORED 3 POINTS AGAINST THE LOWLY BEARS THE WEEK BEFORE THAT, RIGHT? The same Bears that we curb stomped.
#perspective
November 1st, 2017 at 2:26 pm
DB55 Says:
November 1st, 2017 at 12:27 pm
67 career TDs. Find me 1 qb that’s done that in first 2.5 years. While getting hit 260+ Times and playing hurt.
Does he ever do anything wrong in your eyes? He holds the ball forever is one of the main reasons, along with his long wind up. I am still hoping he will be ok, but at least acknowledge he has a number of QB issues that are squarely on he alone. There are a number of other issues with play calling, etc. but cmon at least be somewhat critical to have any credibility.
November 1st, 2017 at 2:27 pm
Joe Says:
November 1st, 2017 at 9:19 am
Jameis is as dumb as a bag of hammers.
You talking about the same guy who had an academic scholarship to Stanford? Never heard of a dumb guy getting an academic free ride to Stanford.
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Actually it is common knowledge that Ivy league schools lower admission standards for incredible athletes.
https://www.stanforddaily.com/2015/02/22/the-price-of-athletics-at-stanford/
Looking at a group of 10 elite colleges and using SAT scores (on the 1600 point scale) as a proxy for academic ability, Princeton researchers found that being a recruited athlete gave an admissions boost equivalent to scoring 200 points higher on the SAT.
We can also look at high school scouting reports for football players. Looking at the Stanford recruitment class of 2009 (this year was quite typical in terms of test scores), the median football player who reported scores got an 1800 out of 2400 on the SAT and 26 on the ACT.
Based on university statistics, this puts the football median comfortably in the bottom quartile and likely somewhere in the bottom 10 percent in terms of test scores.
This does not mean he is stupid just that he would not have gone to Stanford if he was just a regular kid with no athletics on his application.
November 1st, 2017 at 2:28 pm
A recent injury is not the immediate issues with Winston, they are the same since college. I’ve had a torn rotator cuff when I played college sports (not football). No way you can throw 40-55 yards with one, no way.
November 1st, 2017 at 2:31 pm
I almost don’t care about the turnovers…. if he was great the rest of the time. That was Favre. He’d throw the defense 1-3 picks a game, they may catch 1-2, but he was a wrecking force in the game the rest of the time.
Winston misses more easy throws plus starts slow every game. The bonehead moves are just a turd olive on a shiat sandwitch.
November 1st, 2017 at 2:50 pm
He’s not perfect far from but that’s what make him great. I have no patience for stupid people. Never have never will and most of these local yokels are just dumb af.
November 1st, 2017 at 3:12 pm
Jw is a great qb. His peers say so. (Gmc lovers punch line)
November 1st, 2017 at 3:22 pm
good read
November 1st, 2017 at 5:19 pm
Love when people have only 1 thought about JW and they are so smart, smh. He’s so great, it’s everyone else’s fault besides him, yards, td’s. It’s never as bad or as good as people say, however if you disagree your a fool. Ok see how that works.
November 1st, 2017 at 9:40 pm
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Good job calling out the LOON, “wewantgruden” everyone!
This is the guy that claimed to be a doctor and called Jameis “dumb as a bag of hammers (by the way who carries a bad full of hammers?)” … but … made the following comment:
“Dumb as a bag of hammers with know morals”.
Um, doctor, you do realize that “know” means to comprehend something and cannot be used in the above sentence, right? Of course not, because you’re “dumb as a bag of hammers”, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
By the way doctor “wewantgruden” … is SAYING a popular internet meme that college students would find hilarious whilst still in college proof of bad morals on the scale of, oh say, Tom Brady ditching his pregnant girlfriend for a super model while he was a 30+ year old, or Brett Favre sending dic pics when he was around 40 years old, or Peyton Manning putting his nuts and anus on a female trainers face when he was in college?
You are an obvious, nonsensical Jameis-hater … and a verified LOON!
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November 1st, 2017 at 9:48 pm
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BUCCANEER BONZAI,
Great post with all the quotes about Favre … good stuff my man!
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November 1st, 2017 at 9:51 pm
NFLNUT. You depicted “BAD of hammers” in your message. I have an excuse for my grammatical error….Siri. You cannot use the same excuse on your Metro PSC Motorola flip phone. Lighten up and listen to the GRUDEN chants at the NOLA game.
November 1st, 2017 at 9:58 pm
bad instead of “bag” is a typo … “know” instead of “no” is an actual grammatical error … if you’re a doctor, you’re a bad one, one that is as “dumb as a bag of hammers” and certainly not as intelligent as Mr. 4.0, Standford academic scholarship, Jameis Winston imho … you’re a LOON …
November 1st, 2017 at 10:07 pm
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BY THE WAY … Jon Gruden was a Mariota fan back at the 2015 draft but now raves about Jameis … here is what he said recently (2017) on Jameis:
“When you watch Winston, you study Winston, you don’t realize how athletic he is. How much offense he creates. What a gunslinger he is. How exciting a player he is. And the command that he has. He can get up there and recognize the defense. He can communicate what he wants done and he has the talent to execute any play that is called. It’s that combination that excites me.”
– Jon Gruden
If Chucky gets hired it’ll be because he believes in and wants to coach Jameis!
He may even feel, like his old star DT, Warren Sapp, that had Jameis played with Sapp’s defenses the Bucs would have won 3-4 rings instead of just one!
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November 1st, 2017 at 10:18 pm
Jameis = Jamarcus!!!!????
November 1st, 2017 at 10:23 pm
^
Carr = Couch???
Dak = Akili Smith???
Mariota = RGIII???
Watson = Vick????
LOON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
November 2nd, 2017 at 9:48 am
JW. “I did not steal the crab legs, they were given to me”. Great morals. Although I am thinking that he probably got nervous when the guy said “would you like them in a SACK” and lost all brain power and made a poor decision.