Koetter: Jameis Will Be Cleared To Practice Wednesday If He’s Not Sore Tomorrow
November 27th, 2017
Exciting news at One Buc Palace this afternoon.
America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston, had an MRI today and, per Dirk Koetter, if Jameis is not sore after his rehab/training session tomorrow, then he will be cleared to practice on Wednesday.
Koetter clarified to say “cleared” would mean ready to “take all the reps” at practice.
That means Jameis could start Sunday.
Jameis has not been throwing since he’s been sidelined, Koetter said, just engaging in strengthening exercises and rehab work.
On Friday, Koetter said Jameis was “chomping at the bit” to get on the practice field.
Encouraging stuff. Nobody wants to see a guy get injured. And now we might get to see what the Bucs full-strength offense looks like against good football teams down the stretch.
November 27th, 2017 at 2:40 pm
Lets look at stats for sec for all those “Fitz is more accurate” people.
While Fitz only technically started 3 games this year, there is one game (10/15 @ ARI) that should be given to him due to the fact that Winston only threw 10 passes that game – Fitz threw 32. There is also one game that should not count for Fitz (11/05 @ NO) as Fitz only threw 15 passes – it shouldn’t count for Winston either as he only threw 13.
This is what the stats leave us with after we make this as fair as possible to Fitz (being that 10/15 was one of his best games and 11/05 was one of his worst, accuracy wise).
Player Comp Att Pct Yds TD INT
Ryan Fitzpatrick 88 147 59.9 1035 6 3
Jameis Winston 147 236 62.2 1792 10 6
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The numbers don’t lie!!!! Fitz is a pretty good QB but he isn’t more accurate than Winston!!
November 27th, 2017 at 2:42 pm
The season is over….Dirk your job is toast…. Do not play Winston!!!!….GO BUCS!!!!
November 27th, 2017 at 2:45 pm
lol good god, that’s fine bring Winston in, but if he continues to miss targets than I don’t wanna hear a single damn person make any excuses about him being hurt.
Don’t bring him in if it’s still going to be an excuse for poor play and automatic first half of zero offense.
November 27th, 2017 at 2:46 pm
Who cares! Season over and so is Winston and dirk!
November 27th, 2017 at 2:46 pm
He had a shoulder issue at the combine…back again? …is this chronic? …just another red flag to unload “Tallahassee’s QB” …another Bucs QB to not make the “2nd contract”…Bucs QB legacy lives!!!
November 27th, 2017 at 2:51 pm
Fire Smith at season’s end and keep Koetter. Let’s see what DK does without his security blanket who stinks! How come we haven’t seen the young QB who was Fitzpatrick’s backup play?
November 27th, 2017 at 2:56 pm
The sooner the better. Jameis give the Bucs the best chance to win.
November 27th, 2017 at 2:57 pm
@PR- I TOTALLY agree. If he’s not 100%, he should NOT play. His presence will not make a bit of difference if we keep calling the same plays and keep giving up the booty on defense!
November 27th, 2017 at 2:58 pm
The dude threw enough good passed to throw for 4000 yards in his first two seasons.
Anybody ever heard of QB development? Look at Goff.
Only total fools would even entertain the idea of giving up on America’s QB.
November 27th, 2017 at 3:06 pm
@Eric- I agree. He’s still a work in progress. He’s going to make bone-head plays, maybe even for the rest of his career. But, what’s the alternative? He needs a more progressive play-caller than Koetter IMO. Give him the tools to succeed. A run-game is the QBs best friend as is the short passing game.
Of course, we have to hope the off-field stuff goes away too!
November 27th, 2017 at 3:11 pm
Winston has 60 TD’s and 10,000 yards in 2 and a half seasons……yea, he’s a bust – ha!!!!!!!
November 27th, 2017 at 3:15 pm
Cold_water, yet many would argue that every TD and every yard was in “garbage time” unbelievable.
November 27th, 2017 at 3:16 pm
** Yawn **
November 27th, 2017 at 3:18 pm
Y’all can take your stats and shove them you know where…Wins and Losses only matter…Jameis is losing on the field and off the field…that makes him a Loser…
November 27th, 2017 at 3:23 pm
Go ahead, risk doing further damage to Winston for a meaningless season. Makes about as much sense as throwing three times for 2 yards, and not getting them. Please Glazers, step in before Koetter, and Licht ruin the future trying to save their own sorry asses.
November 27th, 2017 at 3:26 pm
@ cold -water
Still trying to see the logic in you not counting all pass attempts and completions. Pretty sure thats not the way the Nfl does it.
Other than that, I think that Jameis is at a point in his career where he should
be showing marked improvement in preventing turnovers from INT’s and fumbles.
So protecting the ball,and the ability to complete the deep ball and keep the chains moving will be a part of the evaluation process after year 4.
November 27th, 2017 at 3:30 pm
Fitz and Koetter can barely beat the absolute worst teams in the nfl. Bring back Winston and Gruden!
November 27th, 2017 at 3:47 pm
Stay away from Koetter JW run run for your life!
November 27th, 2017 at 3:49 pm
@Bob in Valrico, I didn’t think it would be fair to count them as a lot of athlete’s talk about “rhythm” being very important to their quality of play plus I tried to think of any excuses Fitz lovers would give to try and make him look more accurate…..and I thought it would help Fitz.
but removing one of his worst games didn’t help tho so even when adding in all passes thrown, Fitz is still 2 points less accurate than Fitz (58.9 to 61.4)
November 27th, 2017 at 3:52 pm
Cold Water
You can jerk the numbers around all you want.
Jameis is still making the same Bone headed plays a rookie would make.
Pressured? Just throw the ball up in air, for anyone to grab.
But why not play Winston. There is absolutely no reason to win another game.
Unless we want to lose all chance of drafting Arden Keys or Chubb.
Yay! Lets win another 3-4 meaningless games, and miss out on the DE that this team Needs desperately.
November 27th, 2017 at 3:52 pm
@BucsFan90
Whats this obsession with Gruden? He has never developed a young QB in his coaching career. All of his success came with veteran QB’s at the helm. Winston needs a coach that can help him develop.
November 27th, 2017 at 3:53 pm
Year four?
November 27th, 2017 at 3:55 pm
Tampa Bay has yet to beat a..winning team this season, And they struggle with the 500 teams. Green Bay is pissed. Jameis playing will make no difference. Might even make it worse. If Koetter does not win at least 2 more games? He’s packin bags! You can bank on this.
November 27th, 2017 at 3:57 pm
Hate to sound like a “Jamies Jerker”, but I’m happy. This is HIS team until it isn’t anymore.
November 27th, 2017 at 4:03 pm
Hold up. That’s not what I heard Koetter say. What I heard him say is that Jameis was getting tested and they would know if he’s cleared later today.
That’s a big difference…unless I missed something.
November 27th, 2017 at 4:06 pm
I don’t know if this makes a difference or not but it seems to me that with Fitz we have many more passes broken up by defenders……I think receivers running the same routes with Fitz throwing are experiencing this because the ball isn’t getting there as quickly.
It would only take a split second difference between a clean reception and one where the defender could get his hands in.
Some of these are called drops when they really aren’t…..Evan’s TD miss is an example.
There is no way you are going to keep Jameis off the field if he is medically cleared….there is absolutely no way he will sit to tank games or any other reason like developing Ryan Griffin…..you can just forget those thoughts.
November 27th, 2017 at 4:09 pm
Tampabaybucfan, I think you are 100% right.
Fitz has barely any power in most of his passes. Frankly, the way they float, I am amazed he doesn’t have the picks.
November 27th, 2017 at 4:13 pm
Fitz did a serviceable job, but let’s face it folks, He Ain’t The Starter.
November 27th, 2017 at 4:13 pm
For anyone that says W:L are all that matters and that Winston is a loser:
Look up Winston’s record in close games that he could actually win – games that were down to like 1 score in the 4th quarter. We’ve won the vast majority of those games with Winston; and he has a ton of game winning drives; and could have even more if not for defensive collapses after a game winning drive (cough BUFFALO cough / cough REDSKINS collapse cough ).
Sure his record is bad when he’s down 21 points by the 2nd quarter. That’s the same with any QB on any team. If he was on a competitive team with a defense that wasn’t getting blown out 1 in every 3 games; I’m pretty sure you’d see a lot more Ws.
Educate yourselves.
November 27th, 2017 at 4:19 pm
Capt.Tim Says
“Jameis is still making the same Bone headed plays a rookie would make.
Pressured? Just throw the ball up in air, for anyone to grab.”
I get your point there…and I don’t think anyone can deny that. And I get that, if I’m reading you right, you would rather lose out the rest of the season to get a good pick. I get that because I have felt the same way in the past.
However, I don’t feel that way now.
To begin with, regarding Jameis. I’m hoping the time not playing has made some things sink in. He isn’t nearly as bad as you are making out…but he does try that bonehead play you mention 1-2 times per game. And it tends to cost us big. Playing like a rookie? Maybe in some ways. But keep in mind most rookies are his age.
So far as losing out the season, the reason I don’t agree this time around is because we have so many pieces in place. Really, all we need is DE, RB and CB. Fill those three spots with good players, and this team will be great. And I believe we can fill them even if we win the rest of our games.
I would rather see this team work their tails off to get wins than not at this point, because it will give them the identity the team needs. Lose out, and next year they still won’t have the identity and we’ll go through the same thing regardless of who they draft/sign.
I would love to own this team though…and make the roster choices for one year.
November 27th, 2017 at 4:20 pm
Let Ryan get the needed reps in live games so the Bucs can determine if he has any back up worth. Preferably PRIOR to free agency and the draft. Let Winston heal properly and completely. This will also help assessing his shoulder next spring. I for one hope that the injury was a factor in the long ball accuracy. I would argue the trash time comments. He has threaded too many passes in tight spots for that argument to hold water.
November 27th, 2017 at 4:20 pm
@Lord Cornelius
Not to mention we’d have won 2-3 more games this year if we’d had a good kicker.
November 27th, 2017 at 4:22 pm
I don’t believe the Bucs should IR Winston at all, unless the injury really calls for it. If Goodell suspends him, let it happen while he’s active so he can come back all the sooner.
I don’t think Winston is guilty of the groping thing at all, but I also don’t think Innocence matters to Goodell.
November 27th, 2017 at 4:29 pm
Winston, Winston he’s our man. He’s got “Win” in his name.
November 27th, 2017 at 4:34 pm
Jaboo to the rescue!!!
November 27th, 2017 at 4:36 pm
Winston’s long release with be his undoing. In the NFL the DB’s are too quick and he will be picked off continually unless he changes. Who ever scouted Winston should no longer work in the NFL. Brett Hundley has a better release. Bucs fans will get to watch it up close when he torches the Bucs defense.
November 27th, 2017 at 4:42 pm
Jameis is going to be one of the best QB’s in the NFL.
Unfortunately he has had an injury plagued year so becoming elite is going to have to wait another year.
On another note I still can’t believe how many idiotic fans post on this board.
November 27th, 2017 at 4:49 pm
@Bonzai
What’s disappointing is no one that trashes Winston as a loser will put in the time to chart all the close games to see what his record is lol. Only I do sick things like that on a spreadsheet just to see if I’m actually right.
November 27th, 2017 at 5:02 pm
No need to bring Winston back unless he is 100%. I rather see our third string QB get reps to see if he is worth investing a roster spot for next season. Having three QBs mean one less stand out special teamer, D lineman, etc.
November 27th, 2017 at 5:03 pm
Lord Cornelius Says:
November 27th, 2017 at 4:49 pm
@Bonzai
What’s disappointing is no one that trashes Winston as a loser will put in the time to chart all the close games to see what his record is lol. Only I do sick things like that on a spreadsheet just to see if I’m actually right.
Dear Cornhole please get help.
November 27th, 2017 at 5:13 pm
Ok to let Winston play and do well.
This will improve his trade value.
Our team is horrible with him or without him so may as well start over and steer clear of pouring good money after bad trying to build this guy’s average career.
He is not clutch and his performance on 3rd down has just been consistently not good enough.
The yardage and numbers overstate his value — too many turnovers and killed drives to say he will be elite.
November 27th, 2017 at 5:31 pm
Wow. Where does all the hate and vitriol come from? Yeah a pathetic record will do that. Lose and fans second guess EVERYBODY AND EVERYTHING. Fire the GM..the HC…the DC…the QB…the DT….I get this opinion but I do not get enjoying it. Some posters here point out this year’s failure with glee as if they are enjoying it.
Again there could be a little balance here and injuries may be excuses but they are also explanations. Licht and Koetter certainly need a level of criticism and direction from the Glazers. The Glazers simply say this year’s record is not enough…they’ve had one successful year and one losing year….NEXT year will be probationary. It’s real simple!!! Win or else…at least double digits as in ten.
November 27th, 2017 at 6:01 pm
SHowing off his groping hand I see
November 27th, 2017 at 6:05 pm
Obviously Jameis is a potential franchise QB and the best Qb on our roster. It’s because of that reason that I hope he doesn’t play the rest of the year.
November 27th, 2017 at 6:09 pm
If you believe last year was a winning season your blind as a bat. Riverboat gave them the last game just to get the season over and nobody hurt. They had nothing to play for.
November 27th, 2017 at 7:47 pm
TBBF at-least they are getting from point A to B not missing point B by 5 yards every time.
November 27th, 2017 at 7:49 pm
“So far as losing out the season, the reason I don’t agree this time around is because we have so many pieces in place. Really, all we need is DE, RB and CB. Fill those three spots with good players, and this team will be great. And I believe we can fill them even if we win the rest of our games.”
You sure as hell have some nice rose-colored glasses on if you think that is the only thing wrong with easily one of the bottom 5 teams in the NFL w/ one of the worst coaching staffs in the league to top it off.
November 27th, 2017 at 8:00 pm
If Jamis is healthy he shoulp play because the reasons above. He needs to play so he can improve. He is still growing as a QB and needs more time under center
November 27th, 2017 at 8:01 pm
No less than 5 times on Sunday if Jameis plays TV commentators/analyst talk about sex crime allegations while about 20 other teams are talking about their playoff hopes. Also, nothing like being basically out of it by Halloween with talk about possible suspension already tainting next year’s hopes.
The games are basically meaningless, but you also don’t stop giving your team the best chance to win until they are mathematically eliminated. So I can see why the Bucs still “need” to play their starters. I do question if is Jameis is fully healthy, and if would rather he sit if not. And then there is this:
Not likely but not out of the question given memories of Freeman Slowleak/MRSA/Schiano Year2: Maybe the Glazers and GM don’t want to play the QBs they plan to have on the roster in the Spring. Maybe they already know all about what happened in ARI and have made their mind up? Doubt it.
November 27th, 2017 at 8:02 pm
And….let’s see what Griffin can do for the final four games….
November 27th, 2017 at 8:27 pm
Pretty good article by George Diaz of the Orlando Sentinal. I don’t know him, don’t read him, but this article rolls up the whole train wreck nicely. Captures my thoughts for sure.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/george-diaz-en-fuego/os-sp-jameis-winston-bucs-george-diaz-20171126-story.html
November 27th, 2017 at 8:32 pm
Honestly – I’m over the Jameis hype. He is who he is. Good ceiling 4th best in the division and solid QB. Not accurate, field vision is just okay and not a good decision maker. He needs an elite running game to protect him from himself.
November 27th, 2017 at 8:33 pm
Just meh on all things Bucs related. I hate the Eagles but man do I respect what they have done and is doing.
November 27th, 2017 at 8:58 pm
Goff and Wentz are both better than Winston in their 2nd years. It is undeniable, look at the film… they make better reads and more accurate throws. A big part of it is coaching, development, and playcalling, as evidenced by Goff’s quick turnaround with a new coach. But the MAIN reason that it’s time to move on from Winston is that he continues to get in trouble and disgrace our franchise. Stealing crabs, rape accusations, licking fingers, grabbing women’s privates, that ridiculous speech telling little girls to be silent and polite, my God how many strikes does he have to get before we move on??
At least seeing how quickly a new coach and QB combo can find success gives us a glimpse of hope.
November 27th, 2017 at 9:02 pm
Burford
I read that same story earlier and it was trash. That article is for jw haters and them only
If u want positive about Jw …..Forbes have the best damn story possible and a solution for JW and the entire league.
November 27th, 2017 at 10:13 pm
Lord corn,
The official stat for 4qc 4th quarter comebacks JW has 4 career.
Since, you always seem to bring in MM, why I don’t know, MM has 7,
for whatever reason you think that is relevant those are the numbers
November 28th, 2017 at 9:48 am
Winston is NOT the answer to the Franchise QB problem in Tampa. He’s just not. For all of you who think he is, you’re the problem. He’s a mediocre QB AT BEST, and does not have the ability to lead a team to be dominant. The best case scenario for the Bucs with Winston at the helm, is an occasional wildcard spot. I stress occasional, because consistency will never be Winston’s thing. This simply is NOT good enough. I’d rather dip back into the draft and try again.