“He’s In As Much Trouble As The NFL Wants Him To Be In”
November 19th, 2017
So what’s the real punitive reality facing Jameis Winston, America’s Quarterback, who is now accused of crotch-grabbing a female Uber driver 20 months ago without permission?
Sadly for the image of the Buccaneers, this was a topic on the NBC Sunday Night Football pregame show.
What a great look for your surging Bucs!
Civil attorney turned ultimate NFL insider Mike Florio, the guru of ProFootballTalk.com explained that Jameis could have very little leverage to avoid an unwanted vacation and millions of lost salary.
“If there’s an accuser and the NFL believes that person, even partially, not completely, the NFL can do whatever it wants to do,” Florio said. “Six-game suspension, any-game suspension, and we’ve learned through the court system it’s going to be upheld.”
Of course, Florio is referring to the league’s new conduct policy, and the high-profile, legally-challenged Ezekiel Elliott case — and the league being super hypersensitive to links to sexual misconduct.
You can view the NBC video below. And Florio goes into more detail here.
November 19th, 2017 at 9:52 pm
The evidence against Zeke is plentiful. And with Zeke it wasn’t just 1 thing. They have memes out with Zeke pulling that girls shirt down. And Zeke destroyed his phone instead of turning it over to the NFL. Destroying evidence makes anyone look guilty, see Brady. I won’t deny that goodwill will do whatever he wants to save face for the NFL. But if the investigation says Winston himself didn’t grab her, then I don’t see how it can be justified to suspend him more than maybe a game, if that even.
November 19th, 2017 at 9:56 pm
NFL is damaging their image with this. Accusations will become contagious from society’s gold diggers. Don’t like a team or player? Accusation. Want to blackmail a millionaire athlete? Accusation.
November 19th, 2017 at 9:56 pm
Not saying that Jameis did or didn’t do it, just saying what ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?
Also though, Jameis has to not get himself into these kind of situations
November 19th, 2017 at 9:57 pm
The NFL will make and example and send a message for bad decision making. Expect 3 games in 2018.
November 19th, 2017 at 9:58 pm
Guilty or not the NFL will send a message to Jameis and others
November 19th, 2017 at 10:06 pm
The evidence here is sketchy right now…perhaps things will come out that will make it clearer…..If she claims Winston was the only one in the car and that’s not the case, then her credibility will be blown.
This is a little different than other NFL suspensions because there was no criminal complaint filed.
This will obviously hurt Winston going forward as far as endorsements & contracts…..he simply won’t be trusted and you can guarantee that there will be language in his contract that will protect the owners.
My main concerns are that Winston develops as a QB and he absolutely has to keep his nose clean.
I truly believe that Winston is a good guy who is terribly impulsive and immature. He may have to learn his lesson the hard way.
November 19th, 2017 at 10:18 pm
Jameis Leftwich Freeman Weinstein didn’t come clean with the Bucs when the incident happened and never told the Bucs. Way to go Gm Licht.
November 19th, 2017 at 10:21 pm
What exactly was he supposed to “come clean” about?
November 19th, 2017 at 10:26 pm
It’s not even about if he did it….it’s whether he cooperates. Uber wants the name of the third person….Now the NFL wants the name of the third person…..He’ll have to choose between street cred or NFL suspension.
November 19th, 2017 at 10:29 pm
Maybe Tampa just doesn’t have a strong enough team for a guy like Winston. Look at his surroundings. His best reciever has been in a poor spotlight quite a few times. His running back was suspended for drugs. His tight end was cut for pispoor behavior. When Winston was out Djax was the guy who had to step up as a lockerroom leader(don’t remember Jackson being touted as the strongest leader in the world).
You put Winston on a separate team with a strong core of players with better morale standards and maybe you get the most out of him without all the noise………… And I don’t know these players personally so it’s only an assumption. But all this is part of a team’s personality and that winning culture we always hear about. Theres a reason why winning teams always tend to get more production from their players and garbage teams like our get the least and I believe the attitudes of the surrounding players are a huge factor.
November 19th, 2017 at 10:48 pm
@ Jimmy Jack
I think the problem here could be his buddy Ronald Darby…..Darby was with him when he got in trouble at FSU and claims to have been a passenger in the car.
That can be easily proven with Darby’s cell if he wishes to cooperate.
One other thing that is interesting here is that the Attorney for the Uber driver is the same Attorney that represented the FSU alleged assault victim.
November 19th, 2017 at 10:49 pm
Pellucid….How is Jameis supposed to notify the best the NFL if he wasn’t aware of a situation that didn’t even happen bro, make some sense, even if it did happen, why would he broadcast it to the public, he probably had no idea there was a complaint from the Uber driver she never notified the police
November 19th, 2017 at 10:57 pm
The Zeke accuser had pictures to backup her story along with a 911 call so I think that was the evidence the league went by in deciding his guilt. This is another he say she say incident but regardless it’s not something he should be associated with at this point in his life.
November 19th, 2017 at 10:58 pm
If Jameis’ Uber app was deactivated after the driver reported it, then it’s a big deal, Jameis should have dealt with it if he was innocent..
But he was hoping this would never see the light of day..
When Uber doesn’t allow you to use their company again, believe me it’s a biggie..
November 19th, 2017 at 11:01 pm
But his boy said nothing happened. That should clear him right ?
November 19th, 2017 at 11:01 pm
Guzzie
My understanding is that Jameis knew about the complaint because Uber cancelled his Uber account ae and left him a voicemail.
The statute in Arizona on a misdemeanor sexual assault which is the category I believe this would fall is……1 year.
The civil statute is two years…..so this will be all about the money.
If Darby isn’t full of BS…then this may exonerate Jameis….if he is lying about being in the car, he will be in a heap of trouble.
November 19th, 2017 at 11:03 pm
TBBF………I think thats why you hear a lot of people calljng Winston stupid, at the least. He has already gotten into trouble with the same creeps he was was with this time. At some point you have to consider Winston to be a creep too………What are they supported to say? Winston is the glimmering light of an angle that rolls around at 2 am within a gang of creeps?
This is the stuff that you hope kids learn in grammar school. I know some people learn their lessons a little later then others but if the guy don’t start figuring this out it will ruin him, if it hasn’t already.
November 19th, 2017 at 11:07 pm
You posters exhaust me, if Darby and Jameis is in the back, who was the unidentified grabber that was in the front? So how do you prevent someone from accusing you if they decided it was you after the fact because your name was on the account! THINK PEOPLE!
So Jameis is suppose to cut a loose anyone from his past as if he was guilty. Such double standards especially if you are a black wealthy man in America!
1. It started in a club called Potbelly.
Actually Kinsman was talking to one of JW’s friend’s first, but at the final analyst chose JW the QB. She was asked if she was coming with THEM and said yes and climbed in a cab with the football players. Kinsman texted her friends gloating, was trying to entise her friends to join them and she left with Jameis and his friends. So they left in a CAB and no handcuffs, gun to her head or any restraints.
2. Jameis and Kinsman had consensual sex in his room, behind a door with NO lock. In an apartment with other roommates one of which was Darby! (He is a friend is that a crime?)
3. The only thing JW was guilty of was cheating on his girlfriend (not wife)!
4. Later after Jameis and Kinsman had sat talking…he rode her on the back of his bike, ( I am sure she had to wrap her arms around his waist) and took her to her dorm.🤔
5. Now fast forward to the Uber driver some dude grab her private and she had 3 passengers 2 in the back one in the front…but Kate didn’t know his name so she used the one name
on the account (Jameis)
6. Like in a line up, you are not sure so you just pick one of the two black dudes in the back🤔
7. Now this gets reported by some hyped, half informed reporter it makes national news and naturally the vulture of a lawyer seeks Kate out because he saw a mark he had hit before Jameis Winston! And told her she was going to get paid!
8.SAD👿😈👹
November 19th, 2017 at 11:14 pm
Hey Jimmy jack if ended up not doing anything are going to come on here and say our strong lockroom was the reason he acted smartly and didn’t do it? Some comments like yours are just so ridiculous.
November 19th, 2017 at 11:15 pm
@Nole……..Throw about 3 allegedly’s and a dozens supposedly’s into that post and I believe you have nailed it.
November 19th, 2017 at 11:15 pm
The Uber driver’s lawyer is the same lawyer that handled Kinsman….
He has asked Darby to turn over his phone which would prove he was in the car. We will see if that happens….the NFL will certainly want access to it.
November 19th, 2017 at 11:18 pm
I think it’s a valid assumption Ndog…….If you work that closely and personally with teammates like football players do I don’t think it’s a major stretch of the imagination that they can sway your attitude and demeanor……both on and off the field.
November 19th, 2017 at 11:22 pm
I think the Bucs have some strong character guys like Brate, Marpet, LVD, GMC (yes GMC, Tmax)……probably every team has a few bad apples.
November 19th, 2017 at 11:29 pm
Nighty-night for TBBF…..I’ll close with this.
Jameis is a good guy at heart….I am convinced of that….but he is very impulsive and extremely immature. With his history, he has to be very careful about his actions and who he hangs with.
When you continually hang out with the wrong crowd….you eventually become the wrong crowd yourself.
This is going to cost Winston whether he is guilty or not…..that is the New World Gr-ping Order.
November 19th, 2017 at 11:48 pm
No one has addressed all the good things Jamies done for the last 20 months. Hypocrites!
November 19th, 2017 at 11:50 pm
Well, with his history (excluding the allegation at FS), and with his antics….dude is out there. A LIVE personality….i mean really, he shows he’s ALIVE! Lol.
Works when youre on your game…..not so much so when youre not.
STFU and keep to yourself JW outside of the locker room and “public” playing field for now…
November 20th, 2017 at 12:04 am
Bottom line is that the person accusing him says it was just Jameis in the car when he grabbed her, and Jameis/Darby are responding that there were 3 people in the car.
Darby’s phone and the person who apparently no one wants to name in the front will be brought to the NFL to confirm this. If they are dumb enough to think that they can make this a simple he-said she-said and be unable to find Darby’s phone, I would bet that Goddell will say otherwise.
And for all of the supporters, the guy is 23 years old with his second sexual assault accusation and contrary to your BS beliefs 98% of the players in the NFL (over 1,500 people) are not getting accused of sexual assault. So take it for what you will.
November 20th, 2017 at 12:18 am
We have WON 2 in a row with Fitz.
We lost the last 5 in a row with JW.
November 20th, 2017 at 12:19 am
Scratches his head at how much harder the team has played in the last two weeks
November 20th, 2017 at 1:18 am
Tom S, I’d like to see where you get your “98% are not” stat from? You are telling me that 98% of NFL players have never had an assault charge–sexual or non-sexual it doesn’t matter because they are all forms of violence–any time during their playing careers?
I spent about 2-3 years of my life hanging around people who hang around NFL players. It’s more like 80-90% of them DO spend a lot of time in clubs, strip clubs, and other venues where the idea is to connect with gorgeous models. A friend of mine many years ago went to Maxim parties attended by All-American Boy Tom Brady, and this man was not there to just “look at the goods”.
Yes, even clean cut Peyton Manning spent at least some part of his youth stuffing his genitals into the face of an athletic trainer who he had pinned down (this is something you can google).
Your “98% of players don’t do this” is complete crap.
November 20th, 2017 at 1:20 am
By the way, that comment was not to suggest that JW did or did not do this, just that the basis for your argument is complete garbage.
November 20th, 2017 at 1:41 am
OK dear unbiased fan, 32 teams, 53 active players a year = 1696 players. 2% of 1696 is 33.92.
The average NFL career is 3.4 years, so if we break down the 34 players (2%) into a average playing career, then we get 10.3 NFL players a year being accused of sexual assault. Is my math off or are you an idiot?
November 20th, 2017 at 1:51 am
Again, 1696 active players at any one time, not including practice squad (now additional 10 players) or the 90 player offseason roster. Are you telling me there are some great amount of sexual assault allegations coming to say 100 NFL players at a time? 100 player accusations would still be 6% of active NFL players, meaning 94% would not be accused of sexual assault. What % of NFL players are you suggesting have sexual assault claims against them?
I like how your firsthand experience of NFL players going to clubs is somehow equivocating to a player who has been accused of 1. Rape 2. Sexual Assault of an uber driver before he’s turned 24 years of age. Yeah, everyone in the NFL does it because Peyton Manning teabagged a trainer 20 years ago. Great logic.
November 20th, 2017 at 4:19 am
He didn’t do it. Period.
The name of the third person has not been revealed yet because of a right to privacy. Befause the incident never happened, Winston and Darby are respecting that person’s privacy.
So, currently, it is that person’s decision as to reveal himself.
Because the incident never happened, there was no ‘situation’ for Jameis to avoid.
Whenever the NFL investigates a player, his team is notified. Therefore the Bucs knew about the investigation and probably questioned Jameis about it.
As I have stated several times already, Uber is not a trustworthy company. They allow their drivers to lie about their passengers all the time…and allow them to charge extra fees when they shouldn’t.
Not only was Winston in the back seat, but he was on the passenger side. That means he would have had to stand up in the car to do what he’s being accused of. Thinkvit thru people.
November 20th, 2017 at 4:20 am
And don’t forget. The driver was already caught in a lie.
November 20th, 2017 at 4:41 am
Thanks Buc Bonzai I’m sure you can help Winston at the deposition where you will testify on his behalf because you were there in the car or wait was it you were Marty mcflyin’ it on a hover board holding on to the trunk while you peeked inside the window.
November 20th, 2017 at 6:47 am
Who here has replaced a cell in 20 months
November 20th, 2017 at 6:47 am
Bonzai- SOMETHING was said or done in that Uber for the driver to log a complaint. I’m not saying he did anything, but why on earth would she just conjure something up if the guys were just going from point A to point B? SOMETHING was said or done that she didn’t like.
None of this matters, of course. He’s already guilty in the court of public opinion and the NFL WILL suspend him.
November 20th, 2017 at 6:53 am
Yesterday I gave my wife a jameis Winston and an Al Franken. She didn’t mind a bit. I would have given her a Roy Moore too but sadly she’s too old, so I audibled and opted for a Cleveland Steamer instead. That’s where she drew the line!!
November 20th, 2017 at 6:55 am
“Cleveland Steamer”?! Is that akin to a motor-boat Clod?
November 20th, 2017 at 7:01 am
Apparently through his history Ole Shameus Jaboo Winston must think that women are lesser or even there for his pleasure. Remember the speech were he tells fifth grade girls to sit down speech. History makes the persons personality
November 20th, 2017 at 7:09 am
Jameis has been a model player since arriving to Tampa Bay . We should at least give him the opportunity for all the facts to come out.
I am a bit tired of the constant hatred of Jameis Winston by Tampa Bay Times sports writers. They are a joke.
November 20th, 2017 at 7:29 am
Bucsfanman
NO!!
Never motor boat after a cleveland steamer. Unless youre into the two girls one cup thing.
November 20th, 2017 at 7:30 am
After the last few weeks it seem obvious where the Patriots wins come from every year. No wonder they are in the playoffs every year.
November 20th, 2017 at 7:33 am
Everything will work out for Jameis.
November 20th, 2017 at 7:39 am
Darby can swing this in Jameis’ favor by turning over his phone to the NFL and proving he was in the car. If he was there, that proves “Katie” lied.
November 20th, 2017 at 7:57 am
Nole4Jaboo
“So Jameis is suppose to cut a loose anyone from his past as if he was guilty. Such double standards especially if you are a black wealthy man in America!”
Yeah. How unjust
Same horrible society MADE jameis jump on a table, and chant”Grab her by the pu**y”.
In front of a huge crowd.
Who he knew was Recording him.
While under investigation for rape
Oh, the injustice!
But hey, better cry victim than be accountable!
I like Jameis, and have always defended him.
But Regardless of the outcome of this new event
Based just on his play alone, I now doubt that Jameis has the decision making ability to be a Franchise QB.
He has all the talent in the world.
But has made the same bad decisions, over and over.
It has, and will,cost us games.
99.99999999 percent of the world doesnt have the ability to play QB in the NFL.
Jameis has that ability. But meybe not to win the important games.
Fritz doesnt have nearly Jameis talent, but is smoothly operating this offense.
Hes distributing the ball around- and protecting the ball
And ge is not throwing the ball wildly up for grabs, when pressured.
I hope he improves
But I bet the Glazers are looking at drafting a QB this next draft.
November 20th, 2017 at 11:30 am
ATTN Female fans… You control the game!! Thats right, put all your money on the UNDER, play the other teams main players, and call in a sexual allegation against an NFL Quarterback!
Its called DOUBLING DOWN on your money.
PS. I realize that women are the victims of sexual misconduct. But I also realize this is America and your innocent until proven guilty. Not in the NFL though. If Jameis is suspended without proof thats a travesty.
November 20th, 2017 at 12:58 pm
nick, you’ve got issues
November 20th, 2017 at 1:05 pm
Well now I just feel sorry for clods wife….
November 20th, 2017 at 1:19 pm
It’s OK, Unbelievable. I got her on tape before hand that she was of able mind and body, and there would be no repercussions!!