“I Am Done With The DeSean Jackson-Jameis Winston Chemistry Issues.”
October 14th, 2017
Tom Lang of “The ScuttleBucs.”
Bucs fans are so frustrated with the lack of connections on deep passes between DeSean Jackson and America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, that they momentarily forget about the $8 lukewarm Miller Lites at the “Den of Depression.”
The minute those two miss on a pass in a game, Joe’s timeline fires up with folks bellyaching that either Jameis is Trent Dilfer II or that Jackson should be traded to the Giants.
Someone else that has had it with this subject and it is Tom Lang, the ESPN Tallahassee personality and co-host of the outstanding Bucs podcast “The ScuttleBucs,” a proud member of the JoeBucsFan.com Podcast Network. Lang teed off on the subject in this week’s pod while speaking to co-host Jeff Cameron.
Lang has hit it with the swings and misses between Jameis and Jackson and has a novel approach to heal this wound.
“You know what, after a while, I am done with the DeSean Jackson-Jameis Winston chemistry issues,” Lang strongly stated. “You know how to get DeSean Jackson happy? You get him the football early. Here is what you do: If Jameis can’t get him deep – which I need Jameis to do eventually, with consistency. You’ve got to him those freaking deep balls. You only get one or two chances in every pro game. … If he can’t do that down the field with consistency, then get DeSean the ball underneath more consistently and he makes a man miss and it’s a 30-yard play.”
Amen! Joe has written this before. Joe understands winning Bucs coach Dirk Koetter wants to launch the ball downfield. It’s a solid goal: If nothing else, it loosens up the defense and puts the fear of God into corners.
The Bucs, however, have yet to play this season where they can afford to throw away many plays on offense. So if this connection for whatever reason isn’t working, as Lang correctly pointed out, find a way to get the ball to Jackson in space and let his wheels take over.
Jackson is an explosive play waiting to happen whether it is a deep ball or a shorter pass in space. Don’t just limit him to bombs and hope they work.
Cameron added the worst thing a coach can do to mess with the head of a young quarterback is to force plays that don’t work, and that Koetter shouldn’t be forcing long balls to Jackson just so he doesn’t pout.
October 14th, 2017 at 12:21 am
Lol, yeah koetter should force long passes to djax when djax is running wide open deep.
October 14th, 2017 at 12:23 am
So if the play isn’t working, Koetter should keep calling it to no avail? Or are you suggesting Koetter bench Jameis because he can’t hit one play and shove all the chips into the middle of the table for Ryan Fitzpatrick?
October 14th, 2017 at 12:55 am
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In the last two years with Kirk Cousins, Desean Jackson AVERAGED:
5.96 Targets per game
3.44 catches
61.32 yards
.32 TDs
In the first 4 games with new QB Jameis Winston, Desean has AVERAGED:
7.25 Targets per game
3.5 catches
62.25 yards
.25 TDs
Desean has nothing to complain about at all … he had 3 years with Kirk Cousins who is considered one of the best deep ball passers in the NFL and has had just 4 games with a brand new QB in Jameis and yet he is getting more targets, more catches, more yards and almost the same amount of TD’s with Jameis …
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October 14th, 2017 at 12:57 am
^ The above is the sort of stuff the media needs to know, understand and reveal to their audience rather than relying on lazy narratives like “Desean wants more targets” or “Jameis needs to develop a better rapport with Desean”, blah, blah, blah … lazy media narratives drive me nuts!
October 14th, 2017 at 1:23 am
Jameis has grown up with Mike, Cam, and Hump which are all very good receivers. I’d believe he might need a little time before he can start to be the ultimate 2WR. And now we got OJ and Godwin as well.
October 14th, 2017 at 1:53 am
There is no need to defend Jameis with stats. He consistently misses on deep balls and it is tiring. That sort of a glaring weakness will prevent him from becoming the great QB we want him to be. He is currently an average QB. Not average-consistent like Alex Smith, but shaky average like Carson Palmer in his prime.
October 14th, 2017 at 2:02 am
So your going to some how compare 32 games against the first 4 games with the BUCS!!! Spin it NFLNut ….spin it!!!
October 14th, 2017 at 2:02 am
NFLNUT…
Man you know how to eviscerate with FACTS!
While some want Djax to keep the Defense honest, we need you to keep these lazy media type honest!
Go Bucs☠
October 14th, 2017 at 2:06 am
Oh he’ll be great if he remains healthy…if not for the Bucs I am sure he won’t sit on the sidelines!
October 14th, 2017 at 2:39 am
If thousands of us watching can see that Jameis usually plays best by starting the game with some short passes,slants and screens to get him in rhythm, why doesn’t Koetter see this? espexialky when we have quick speedy guys like Jackson and Godwin that can produce YAC when hit in stride.
October 14th, 2017 at 3:07 am
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BigHogHaynes,
I compared his last two years with Cosuins to 100% of the games he and Jameis have played together … that’s not “spinning” anything as I didn’t simply use the Pats game to show that Jackson is actually benefitting wildly from playing with Jameis. Instead, I used 100% of the games DJax and Jameis have played together, which is the exact opposite of “spinning” something.
However, since the actual statistical facts don’t fit the narrative of Jameis-haters like you, you whine about those statistical facts … typical.
Jonny 2.2,
I take it you are one of those ignorant fans who never watch any other QBs play unless they’re playing against the Bucs, because if you actually watched non-Bucs games you would see that ALL QBs miss on deep throws far more than they hit on them. Cam Newton misses guys all the time and does so even in intermediate routes yet he was the NFL MVP and OPOY just two years ago. Roethlisberger misses guys all the time, as did both Mannings, as does Brady (he missed Hogan on a wide open TD that would have sealed the deal against us last week in fact), as does everyone.
I’m not sure how a guy that’s 23 (younger than Dak, Wentz and almost everyone else) and is currently 3rd in the entire NFL in yards per game, 7th in yards per attempt and is on pace for 28 TD passes to just 12 picks (the reigning MVP Matt Ryan is on pace for 20 TDs and 20 picks and the MVP before that, Cam Newton is on pace for 24 TDs and 22 picks) is “average”.
If Jameis is just “average” I guess YOU think the last two MVP’s flat out suck and that Jameis is far, far superior to the previous two NFL MVPs, eh?
ALSO … to the dolts who whine about Jameis being inaccurate on “deep passes” … here are some statistical FACTS:
ON ALL PASSES 20 YARDS+ THIS YEAR:
Alex Smith = 50.0%
Aaron Rodgers = 47.1%
Tom Brady = 41,4%
Jameis = 38.5%
Cam = 33.3%
Mariota = 33.3%
Deshaun Watson = 32.0%
Carr = 28.6%
Stafford = 26.7%
Wentz = 26.1%
Matt Ryan = 20.0%
Roethlisberger = 18.5%
So, yeah, Jameis isn’t as accurate on “deep passes” as Brady, Rodgers or the alien that took over Alex “game manager” Smith, but he is better than Cam, Mariota and Watson, a lot better than Carr, Stafford and Wentz and worlds better than the defending MVP Matt Ryan and Big Ben!
You loons that bash Jameis make utter fools of yourselves all the time … don’t you get sick of looking stupid?
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October 14th, 2017 at 3:12 am
I don’t really ever agree with big hog but yes, 4 games is too small of a sample size to make any real judgements from- positive or negative.
I think the frustration from fans is when he is missing guys who are WIDE OPEN.
October 14th, 2017 at 3:38 am
Folks get too wrapped up in 1 aspect of a player’s game and miss the big picture sometimes I think. All Tom Lang was saying is that IF the deep ball connection isn’t working, for whatever reason, start using some of the shorter stuff to DJax and let him tack on YAC for some nice gains. B-I-N-G-O ! Our goal is to keep moving the ball down the field and score TDs by using whatever plays work. This offense needs to start piling up points, and now. Our season will be over before it really gets going if we don’t. Arizona is the perfect opportunity to get this offense untracked.
October 14th, 2017 at 5:17 am
@NFLNUT **CLAPS**CLAPS**CLAPS** Good to see a Bucs fan not be an idiot. Thank you for restoring my faith in our fan base.
October 14th, 2017 at 7:14 am
I really like the ScuttleBucs podcast.
October 14th, 2017 at 7:26 am
One thing that concerns me is of the top four targets on the team ,Mike Evans has the lowest yards per catch average.Heres the numbers:
Jackson 17.8 %
Brate 13.8 %
Hump 12.2 %
Evans 11.5 %
This suggests to me, that Evans who has averaged as much as 16 + yards
is also not getting the deep passes thrown to him enough. Anyway you look at it
your wide receivers should have the highest yards per catch average. The bucs and Jameis have to do a better job of getting more big plays to Evans also.
The way Martin was running, it is time for more efficient play action passes. I am in total agreement with defense rulles, we need more TD’S
from the offense. Offense has to be good enough to score at least 21 a game,
to be a top offense. Too much of our offense yardage has been racked up between the 20 yard lines and not enough in the red zone. Less field goals
attempts from our unreliable kicking game until they prove otheewise.
October 14th, 2017 at 7:32 am
You know who would almost never miss a wide open Desean Jackson downfield?…every good QB in this league.
The misses are inexcusable yet mediocrity reigns here in Tampa. Love Winston but this crap cannot happen.
October 14th, 2017 at 7:52 am
With the little room in the NFL for error how can we expect QB/WR to build the chemistry if one or both do not work out all off season together?How
October 14th, 2017 at 8:08 am
Well it’s a good thing that d jack went to otA.
October 14th, 2017 at 8:31 am
The old TB Rowdies back in early NASL days had a center forward named “Mirandinha” from Brazil who was a deadly goal scorer back home, internationally feared. He came to the Rowdies and it was all hype. This was the guy they needed to beat the NY Cosmos and others. Mirandinha went 10 games before scoring a single goal, always known to just bounce his shots off the posts…close, but NO goal. He finally got one and was injured later in the same game. Out for a while.
No one can force fate with Jameis-Jackson. It may not even be chemistry between the two. It may be that Winston can’t hit a speedy receiver well in stride on a long pass. He’s not the most accurate passer around, and he often relies on contortional moves by big guys like Evans and Brate to haul it in. Most long completions I remember with Jameis are about a reciever going up to get a ball and beating out a smaller guy next to him. Jackson may not be what Jameis needs….
Just saying.
October 14th, 2017 at 8:34 am
@DefenseRules…I agree 100%. Design plays to the strengths of the players. And they need to get it moving sooner rather than later.
October 14th, 2017 at 8:47 am
Here’s the way I view it.
If it’s “not working” then it’s “not working”
Why try to force it????
Like I’ve said before, Jameis at many times during the game looks “lost” out on the field and I think it’s because he’s trying to focus on all of his weapons at one.
He make’s his reads in the pocket, but when “poop” hits the fan, he gets lost again……..then comes his improvisation skills….which he does very well cause now he’s fighting for his life. Maybe that’s why he heats up in the second half of the game????
This nothing new…….we’ve seen this from Jameis from day one and you cannot be successful as a franchise if your franchise QB doesn’t start playing well until the 3rd quarter.
I think Koetter is trying to figure out how to get Jameis outta that funk he’s in and get his mind to start off playing “fast” from the first quarter.
October 14th, 2017 at 9:13 am
like to see a 200+ yard rush stat with about 25 passes attempts. Teams are dropping coverage daring Bucs to run. Koetter has to make them pay. That will fix the problem. This is the 1st time JW has had this many targets and progressions. Much more info to process which has thrown off timing a little.
October 14th, 2017 at 9:25 am
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October 14th, 2017 at 9:53 am
GREAT post NFL NUT
October 14th, 2017 at 10:07 am
Great Stuff NFL Nut, thank you very much.
Too sad some ‘fans’ here don’t bother with facts. When our beloved Bucs raise the Lombardi in February I bet they will complain that the team didn’t manage to have the highest points differential in history…
October 14th, 2017 at 10:14 am
I am much more impressed by the stats some of the above posters have shared. It takes time to create chemistry.
October 14th, 2017 at 10:21 am
@NFLNut
Holy. Spit. *slow clapping*
Nothing like utterly owning a bunch of morons with facts. Well done sir.. Well done.
October 14th, 2017 at 10:31 am
We should win tomorrow, have to not just establish but STICK TO THE RUN.
I feel like the next 3 games will define the season….survive a pretty stout Buffalo without experiencing further injuries….then host Cam, visit Brees.
What appeared to be a pretty survivable non-conference schedule after New Orleans, (absent Miami) now looks daunting.
Jets are winning, Packers are the Packers, and the Lions have really improved in the last 18 months. Could lose all 3.
Have high hopes, but that voice in my head keeps reminding me that if #3 gets injured, forget a winning record.
October 14th, 2017 at 10:51 am
Have to have a RUN game to fully implement the O – with a real run threat, play action actually works
His deep ball accuracy will soar when he has a clean pocket to step up in
October 14th, 2017 at 11:15 am
Jeff and Tom do a helluva job.
October 14th, 2017 at 11:19 am
Bravo, NFLNut!! It’s not “deep passes” that Jameis is missing – he’s one of the best in the league and the intermediate and long routes, and he’s made many long throws this season that we’re absolute money. He’s missed a couple of “bombs” but those are extremely low percentage throws to begin with. There’s a reason you don’t see multiple 60+ yard touchdown throws a game!
I’ll never understand how so many “fans” are so critical and so impatient with our young QB.
October 14th, 2017 at 11:36 am
Great stuff nflnut. I know i sound like a broken record but some of you idiots are the reason tampa fans are laughed at consistently.
October 14th, 2017 at 11:55 am
In D-Jax’s entire NFL career every bomb thrown his way was on the money. I think he may have only dropped one of those approximately 350 targets. The average bomb was 65yards, and every one resulted in a TD. That’s 349TD’s for 22,685 yards. Proof that Jameis stinks and should be cut. 🤥
October 14th, 2017 at 12:53 pm
Nfl nut you are freaking amazing++ I also want to add that before the season everybody was talking about Jaboo and his turnover problems. Not only did he limit his turnovers but has three consecutive games without an interception and thrown for 300 yards! I don’t understand the pressure the tampa media, and fans put on our players. Tom Brady was the one who turned the ball over, but after the game all you hear is Jaboo hate from buc fans and Tampa bay media! It’s confusing and its sad! Wake up Tampa We got a Chance! nobody really taking command
October 14th, 2017 at 12:59 pm
Nobody really taking command In the nfl! Why can’t it be us? We need support from our media and fans! Bc just two years ago we went 2-14. Wake TF up Tampa.
October 14th, 2017 at 1:40 pm
Thanks for all the love guys; I appreciate it.
Lazy media narratives are one of my biggest pet peeves, so I try to make my posts count and love to come strong with hard data when possible.
Go Bucs!
October 14th, 2017 at 4:11 pm
NFLNut, good stuff. Excellent proof that too much of the deep stuff is counter-productive IMO. Jameis’ overall completion percentages over almost 2.5 years have in actuality improved somewhat (2015 – 58.3% … 2016 – 60.8% … 2017 … 61.0%). And that despite his throwing more intermediate & deep stuff than most of the QBs in the NFL IMO.
October 14th, 2017 at 4:11 pm
Don’t hate the message…. This Bucs team needs to rip off a three game winning streak to build the confidence that you see in Brady and Rodger lead teams. Your stats are spot on, I have no doubt….but comparing 32 games to the first four games this season …well that don’t cut it with me! This team…my team needs a strong win Sunday!! Go Bucs!!
October 14th, 2017 at 5:29 pm
Happen to think the intermediate passes are a Jameis strength.
The middle of the field is also where he is very effective. But our offense seems
simplified from 2015. You don’t see many of sideline toetap type passes that Evans and Jameis connected on. I remember Jameis connecting on 25 yard plays in the middle of the field against carolina and josh norman in last game with them 2015. Four catches for 99 yards, If we have to run our WR’s deeper intermediate passes in the middle of the field,lets do it. As for Desean jackson,
he should have been to all the OTA’s to build that chemistry needed between the two of them.
October 14th, 2017 at 9:09 pm
Koetter should make Jameis throw to DJax on a go route — when intercepted or whatever then bench Jameis and go with Ryan Fitzpatrick LOL!
Are you kidding me–Fitzpatrick good for a sure 100% guaranteed loss.
Jameis will have it down in no time, in mean time Djax is a good receiver–better than Vjax was.
Next game we have a points cushion they should be throwing it long multiple
October 14th, 2017 at 9:22 pm
nflnut–could not of said it better myself–well done!!!!!!!!!!!
October 15th, 2017 at 3:07 am
NFLNut, you’re the mvp for that post. Best one I’ve ever seen on JBF.
October 15th, 2017 at 9:23 am
I still believe this coaching staff has hurt Winstons accuracy , helped in some other ways but hurt him in checkdowns and accuracy!!
The guy would throw to his third rec in 2.5 seconds in college