DeSean Jackson And The Offense
October 9th, 2017
Waiting.
When the Bucs signed DeSean Jackson, just about every Bucs fans thought his addition would transform the offense into a potent if not lethal force.
We’re still waiting for the huge impact.
Jackson has too often been little more than a decoy or a missed target And he clearly is getting frustrated why the Bucs can’t get him the ball.
Speaking on SiriusXM NFL Radio last week with Alex Marvez and Gil Brandt, co-host of “Late Hits,” winning Bucs coach Dirk Koetter said don’t blame Jackson.
“I think we are still not quite where we need to be as far as getting him incorporated in with the rest of our guys,” Koetter said. “And that is no fault of DeSean’s. I mean, he has been working hard since he got here. He made three big plays in the fourth quarter [Thursday night] that kind of got us going there at the end.”
Koetter didn’t name names as to why Jackson seems to be an out of place cog. Koetter actually seemed to infer he needs to find ways to get Jackson the ball. Still, Jackson has had 30 targets through four games and is on pace for 1,000 yards receiving.
What was unspoken is what is going on between America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, and Jackson.
October 9th, 2017 at 8:17 am
DeSean Jackson is either overthrown or underthrown. He has spent a lot of time getting behind the defense.
October 9th, 2017 at 8:35 am
Winston needs to refine his deep ball accuracy. There have been several missed to Jackson that could have resulted in TDs or massive gains in yards.
October 9th, 2017 at 8:36 am
Part of the problem is Jameis needs to be more accurate and part of the problem is the design on the offense/playcalling.
October 9th, 2017 at 8:40 am
From what I have seen that is all on Jameis. I know last year it seemed apparent that he needed to improve his accuracy on deep balls. To this point in the season there has been no improvement in this area. Getting separation from defenders on deep routes means nothing if the QB can’t accurately throw it to him. At this point I think defenses are willing to go 1 on 1 with DeSean and trust that Jameis will misfire any attempted passes his way. If his deep passing accuracy doesn’t improve DeSean will have little impact. Four games in this has been the case and the Bucs aren’t scoring many points because of it.
October 9th, 2017 at 8:44 am
Seems to me that the routes are part of the problem too. If you aren’t hitting on go routes, then call more slants and post routes for the guy. Those are Jameis’ best routes anyway.
October 9th, 2017 at 8:46 am
Winston has no excuse, NONE for why he can’t deliver the ball accurately to Jackson. I’m afraid Evans has turned into exactly what he was for Johnny Manzeil. He’s covering for Winston’s massive inaccuracy, just like he did for Manzeil @ A&M.
Jameis needs to up his game FAST!!!!!!
October 9th, 2017 at 8:49 am
It’s jameis’ fault. He is inaccurate to Jackson. That’s just a timing issue. They need to spend time just running go routes. Full speed. Practice it until you can’t mess it up. Slants work fine, but you’d rather hit the deep ball. Almost a guaranteed touchdown if you hit it. And Jackson did the hard part getting open – as he does. Jameis needs to learn how to hit that ball.
October 9th, 2017 at 8:51 am
We saw what Djax can do with YAC on a slant……lets get him more of those type passes.
You can make all the excuses you like….but Jameis is simply inaccurate so the only way to fix this is limit his downfield passing.
October 9th, 2017 at 8:53 am
Desean is probably wishing he would have went somewhere else for more money. He is finally realizing that Jameis isn’t as good as he thought he was. It’s easy to think JW is better when you don’t watch the games. I watched 3 games Sunday and ALMOST all of the QB’s playing looked better than Winston. Watched Rogers drive the length of the field with 1:13 left, saw Stafford bring the Lions back and ALMOST win against the Panthers, and Smith lead 5 first half drives for points against the Texans. Newton, Prescott, and Wentz ALL looked better than Jameis too. Wondering why Winston STILL has SO far to go to be elite. Can’t wait until he is able to put this team on his back and carry them, if it EVER happens. Going to be a tough game next week with the Cardinals losing SO bad this week. Hope JW is ready to play next week. Playoffs or Bust! No more excuses! Go BUCS!
October 9th, 2017 at 8:55 am
@jb
I am afraid you are correct
Evans made Manziel look like a 1st round draft pick
And Jameis had a huge wingspan receiver in College, to make him look good too.
Jameis can make some incredible throws, into very tight places
But he needs to work on his consistency.
He is only 23
October 9th, 2017 at 8:55 am
Jameis might need to pull back on the deep throws until he’s had an off season to work just on that aspect of his game. If it’s 3rd and short, instead of going 3 and out with an incomplete long pass attempt, hit the underneath throw and keep the drive going.
As a player you need to know you limits and Jameis doesn’t so the coaches need to take it out of his hands or this season will go south quickly.
October 9th, 2017 at 9:01 am
J0E, if you want to know why Winston is struggling a little, consider this: instead of just playing the game the way he usually does, he is being pressured to develop chemistry with DJax.
While developing that chemistry would be a good thing, its being rushed along instead of developing naturally like it did with all his other WRs.
Because of that, he’s uncertain.
Just a thought to consider.
October 9th, 2017 at 9:05 am
While I understand DJax’s desire to contribute, he needs to take a step back and let it come to Jameis naturally. If he cannot do that, then he’s not worth having in the locker room.
October 9th, 2017 at 9:10 am
When they threw that slant pattern I honestly said out loud, “That’s gotta be illegal.”
I haven’t seen the Bucs throw a slant & run like that since the Joey Galloway years.
October 9th, 2017 at 9:13 am
Giants have no receivers, maybe Licht trades Desean for the Giants #1 pick.
October 9th, 2017 at 9:16 am
Jameis has missed about 4 tds to Jackson this season.
We’d feel a lot better about Winston and the offense if he hit those plays.
October 9th, 2017 at 9:26 am
Have said this before and will say it again, Winston needs to wear glasses. He just can’t see good enough down field to hit his man. Take your pride out of it. If you ever want to be considered elite you need to hit the deep ball on occasion.
October 9th, 2017 at 9:34 am
You can’t compare a 3rd year player to 7+ year vets like Cam, Stafford, Rivers that’s an easy explanation, experience! Prescott has Zeke to take pressure off, but agree JW needs to improve
October 9th, 2017 at 9:40 am
We have some really dumb fans
October 9th, 2017 at 9:59 am
Wausa Says:
October 9th, 2017 at 9:40 am
We have some really dumb fans
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No freaking kidding.
October 9th, 2017 at 10:01 am
@ big stinky all those qbs you mentioned are good qbs and been in the league for a long time you can’t ask JW to do what they do because it is taking away from who he is and if I remember correcctly those qbs you mentioned had there own problems themselves smith wasn’t all that great at miners stafford threw a lot of interceptions himself Rodgers had his up and downs as well newton,Wentz ,Watson all have had there growing pains yea JW is missing on deep plays to Jackson but he will get it together
October 9th, 2017 at 10:09 am
Wausa Says:
October 9th, 2017 at 9:40 am
We have some really dumb fans
AMEN – this thread is full of them. SMH. But you forgot to add air quotes – “fans”
October 9th, 2017 at 10:15 am
No no not every bucs fan thought that. Some of us remember the ‘no fly zone’ and the ‘dunkaneers’. We are fed up with the preseason false hype especially when the preseason games are followed by “its only preseason” and “vanilla playcalling” comments and articles. Jackson is only half the deal when talking about big plays and JW3 was and still is inaccurate. Maybe, for a change, wait to be proven otherwise BEFORE selling hopes.
October 9th, 2017 at 10:15 am
@Guzzie
Yeah, Dak has Zeke and a great supporting cast, but so does Winston. 2 Pro Bowl level receivers, a 1st round TE, another TE who led the league in TD catches, a former Pro Bowler at RB.
Both the Eagles and Bucs spent their off seasons getting their young QB’s weapons but only one looks like those weapons are helping. If you can’t see the holes in Winston’s games you aren’t a knowledgeable fan of the game.
October 9th, 2017 at 10:22 am
See how writers see the the wall crap?
“What was unspoken is what is going on between America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, and Jackson.”
This after calling others out for saying Winston was star struck and in awe of Brady but this narrative your pushing it’s no different. Been called hypocrites much lately? I got it how about if you’re reporting news on football you actually go back to the tape and watch it again so you can see what most fans see… Winston is traffic with this throws and not all that accurate. There see how easy that is to say. Saying it’s anything is stupid considering how easy it was to bring Jackson here. What is unspoken? Are you trying to say that after 4 games Jackson is Petty? Get a clue most of your fans here would be just fine with quality over quantity
October 9th, 2017 at 10:26 am
It’s getting real frustrating watching all these QBs throwing perfect dimes on these bombs both NFL and college, rookies and vets while we watch Jameis overthrowing almost every single one for three years. I mean the law of averages says he should hit some. He’s not even hitting enough to balance that out.
Jameis does a lot of good things on this team. I think his presence and leadership alone make 21 other guys on this team better, but he himself is not improving
October 9th, 2017 at 10:26 am
Yea JW got issues but what qb doesn’t I mean come on people be realistic here it’s going to take time for Winston and Jackson to connect the way want to it’s a chemistry thing not a hurry up and connect thing it’s going to take time they will have it together
October 9th, 2017 at 10:36 am
Slant, wr srceen, slant, slant, slant…then when they play it you can start your deep route infatuation dirk. Right now theyre playing the deep routes, which they should. One slant in 4 games. Lets get it together dirk. Go bucs
October 9th, 2017 at 10:53 am
Getting Martin back is going to open those deep routes up more. Jackson use to have an extra gear he would turn on once the ball is in the air. He hasn’t gained any separation like that like he use to and I’d rather have the ball overthrown then under. Having Martin back and some better play calling can do wonders. I think he puts a little extra on it with Jackson cause he doesn’t have the trust built like him and Brate/Hump. And Evans will contend the ball from being intercepted
October 9th, 2017 at 11:26 am
Miguel Grande Says:
October 9th, 2017 at 9:13 am
“Giants have no receivers, maybe Licht trades Desean for the Giants #1 pick.”
Yes and perhaps being 0-5 they still have playoffs aspirations!
October 9th, 2017 at 11:31 am
If Winston hits a single deep ball to Jackson we could be 3-1 but chemistry takes time with actual game conditions. I think game 6 or 8 they’ll hit their stride…Same with Howard. 2-2 can be salvaged into a 10-6 season
October 9th, 2017 at 11:32 am
my thought exactly 87 – SMH.
October 9th, 2017 at 11:43 am
Here is a question for DJax. Have you worked with Jameis off season as hard as Mike Evans has?
Here’s one. I saw Brady during warmups thursday actually practicing difficult throws into tight spaces (front corner of the end zone) with his WRs. I realize it’s a lot more complicated than that, but when I see the Bucs warm up, I don’t see any situational practice throws, just basic crossing routes and straight sideline routes…very generic…and I wonder if he’s getting his calibrated well enough for the day.
October 9th, 2017 at 11:58 am
Funny that no one mentioned any chemistry issues between Jameis and DJax during the preseason. Quite the opposite, actually – they seemed to be on the same page almost immediately. The only thing that has changed is that they are playing real games and real speed now. I have to believe that we are just waiting on the adjustments to “game speed,” and they are not quite there yet. Maybe Jameis is amped up, maybe DJax is a lot faster in the game than at practice/ Either way, it should just be a matter of time and familiarity.
Remember all the complaints about JW3 and ME13 having “chemistry issues” a couple of years back? That seemed to work out fine over time. I would imagine that this will, too.
October 9th, 2017 at 12:01 pm
That Weintz to Aghlor td pass had me wishing it was Winston to Jackson, so did the pass Newton threw to Benjamin.
October 9th, 2017 at 12:09 pm
Jameis is missing wide open guys. Jackson is one…its on Jameis the plays are there.
One thing really bugging me is that Jameis has stopped using his legs for gimmee first downs and the usually doesnt climb the pocket. His footwork has improved dramatically but something isnt clicking with our franchise qb
October 9th, 2017 at 12:15 pm
Darin but they called lovie incompetent.
October 9th, 2017 at 12:25 pm
As you saw in the forth quarter they adjusted. No deep sideline routes, now it’s 5 yard slants and 20 yard ish drag routes which keeps 11 in Winston’s comfort zone. This is ok for now but now team know he can’t hit DJAX deep it’s going to limit the offense moving forward and going to hold them back. I hate to say this but 11 was a bust of a FA signing. Not his fault. Licht needed to know better. We all knew 3 wasn’t good at the deep ball.
October 9th, 2017 at 12:26 pm
What , I never heard anything about Jameis and ME not being on the same page. What in the hell are you talking about.
October 9th, 2017 at 12:28 pm
Good news about AZ they love to play man and they aren’t very good at it, so look for JW to have himself a game.
October 9th, 2017 at 12:34 pm
I have no problem with D-Jax getting pissed.
He’s already proven everything he needs to in his career. This isn’t about him getting stats or being on the highlight reel.
Dude wants to WIN and if he’s wide open and Jameis isn’t seeing it and/or throwing bad passes, he should be upset.
He’s our most dangerous weapon and they need to unleash him asap.
Koetter and Jameis need to get this offense going in a hurry. Everyone it healthy, Doug is back, the O-line is playing well.
#NOEXCUSES
Go Bucs!!!!
October 9th, 2017 at 1:21 pm
Play calling and Winston’s accuracy issues are the big problems here. Call more slants or drags and watch the chemistry develop quickly. Jackson should be upset but he’s not creating a team problem, let’s just get the ball rolling before the Panthers come to visit
October 9th, 2017 at 1:46 pm
More slants…let him catch it on the move remember last year Dirk kept talking about having a player that can turn a 5 yard slant into a 60 yard TD!
October 9th, 2017 at 1:49 pm
I also believe Dirk offense has to many deep routes!I wonder if you guys noticed Winston his completing 61% of his passes!