Running For Jameis
September 8th, 2017
Enough passing weapons to overcome poor rush game?
Last year we learned America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, is more effective leading the Bucs offense when the load isn’t put on his shoulders.
Then again, since Jameis only had two legitimate weapons, you could only expect him to do so much. When Jameis had to throw the ball play after play to succeed, too often the results were grisly.
Joe was researching and found that last year, when Jameis threw the ball 35 times or less, he and the Bucs were 8-4. Pretty solid winning percentage, no?
But when Jameis had to go pass-happy, the Bucs were 1-3. Yikes.
Why is Joe bringing this up? Because an unnamed NFL executive, per a BSPN preview, believes if teams can stop the Bucs’ run game, defenses will have set a trap for Jameis.
“They have good weapons on offense and I think they will be good on defense. Maybe for them, it’s just their running game. If it is not Doug Martin, then who is going to step up and carry them on the ground. It is just going to be on Jameis throwing it every down?”
And that friends, is the trap. If the Bucs are banking on a guy who at best will be available for no more than 13 games and had the worst yards-per-carry in the NFL last year, well, that makes Joe just as nervous as Joe gets when staring at the Hurricane Irma tracker.
Now did the Bucs get enough #WeaponsForWinston to prevent the results of Jameis throwing over 35 times a game from becoming catastrophic? It’s one thing to be throwing to misplaced Calgary Stampeder Donteea Dye. Quite a bit of difference throwing to DeSean Jackson.
September 8th, 2017 at 8:10 am
Joes,
Quick question. Since we had a week 1 bye and Martin is now only eligible to play in 12 games does that mean in essence Martin is going to miss 1 more paycheck this year?
I ask because i am unsure of how the bye week effects a players paycheck.
Thank you and everybody be safe.
September 8th, 2017 at 8:34 am
Wow. We still have fans confused about martin’s suspension. I tell you I am embarrassed. For the last freaking time, MARTIN’S STATUS IS UNCHANGED!!!!! HE WILL HAVE TO MISS 3 GAMES!!!!! THAT MEANS HE IS ELLIGIBLE TO PLAY 13 GAMES BARING INJURY. NO THE BYE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SEASON DID NOT CHANGE ANYTHING!!!!!!
Come on Buc fans, it is not that difficult. Stop embarrassing this fanbase any further with the martin suspension questions. I know I sound like a broken record, but this is a perfect example of why tampa fan is laughed at.
September 8th, 2017 at 8:38 am
Well when you have to throw.and the only guy is Evans, or a slow Humphries….it’s pretty easy to take Evans away and make Hump and Brate beat you.
September 8th, 2017 at 8:39 am
Martin will still play the same number of games. He was eligible to play 13 games before the change, 13 now. He has to miss 3 of our games. Before the change he would have missed Miami and played at Giants game. Now he’ll miss Giants but play for Miami.
September 8th, 2017 at 8:44 am
Jaquiz Rodgers will get hurt in 3 games (just like last year) and then Martin will take over the starting role.
September 8th, 2017 at 8:45 am
These are the dumbest starts in the league. Guess what, teams run more when they are ahead in the game, and throw more when trailing. Wow, teams tend to win more games when they have the lead, that is absolutely brilliant. This has nothing to do with being effective running the ball, just the percentage of plays. Useless stat!
September 8th, 2017 at 8:46 am
Why do you care? Does he owe you money?
September 8th, 2017 at 8:48 am
Webster,
I am terribly sorry that I embarrassed you. I am not sure if I will be able to sleep tonight.
Golly gee, I wish I were as perfect as you.
September 8th, 2017 at 8:50 am
D-Rome,
Why do you care if I care. A lot of hate here this morning.
September 8th, 2017 at 8:51 am
I hope teams stack the box to stop the run and leave their DB’s in 1 on 1 coverage this year. Last year teams could play press coverage and double Evans and dare someone else to get open that won’t happen quite as often this season.
September 8th, 2017 at 8:57 am
Since we are looking at records that put the crosshairs on Martin. 6-2 when he started last season.
September 8th, 2017 at 9:00 am
Conte it’s not just stats… just with the simple eyeball test yoy could see when the run game struggled so did Jameis. He will end up being a great qb I’m sure, but when he has been asked to put the team on his back and go pass happy he has struggled
September 8th, 2017 at 9:05 am
I wish the NFL would’ve done us a solid and count the game DK scratched last year against the Cowpokes as a suspended game, knowing the league was about to come down on Martin, then it would be only two games, but that’s neither here nor there now.
Pats had a decent run game last night, but Brady was limited in the trust of his weapons and the defense wasn’t very good, I know its only the opener, but I feel pretty good about about weapons on offense and our defense keeping us in the game with that bend don’t break mentality (can’t get off the field on 3rd down), hoping Ward changes that and Noah Spence and Jac Smith ready to do havoc on 3rd and long.
September 8th, 2017 at 9:12 am
With 5 legitimate players on offense with good hands that is a load for any defense to cover. (Evans, DJax, OJ, Hump, Brate)
September 8th, 2017 at 9:15 am
@ b coburn
It is a useless stat. What conte is saying is when a team is down, they have to throw more. If the defense sucks, that means the offense is always playing from behind. Drew brees and the saints lose most of the games when he throws for 400 yards plus. Is that because he couldnt put his team on his back? No, its because his defense sucks. Think the rams game. Jameis and the offense scored 31 pts and thats with 3 missed kicks and i believe he threw more than 35 passes. The defense allowed kase keenum to go up and down the field with no resistence all game. 31 points should have been more than enough to beat the rams.
September 8th, 2017 at 9:52 am
This concept is lost on our GM.
But at least he solved the kicking problem for next 20 years.
September 8th, 2017 at 9:54 am
We opened strong against both Cincy and Jax. The Jax game really impressed me.
We’ll go as far as our OL takes us. In Jax it was amazing to watch #3 go down his progressions many time taking the shorter pass that the D gave him. He was also good with his blitz hot reads.
That long run on the right was fueled not by Doug’s greatness but the OL wiping out a huge chunk of Jax’s respected DL.
IF we can block…we can pass and run. Understand that NOBODY has even seen our offense yet!!! DK ran as vanilla a game plan as possible. We haven’t seen what OJ offers other than to realize the dude is a major stud when it comes to blocking…that will help our running game. We only took a few shots to DJAX and Godwin didn’t really get a chance till the last game and he proved his talent. How many catches did Brate have?
Let’s see what happens when DK takes off the wraps. Again IMHO…I know it’s a cliche…but I really believe this year it’s all going to start up front. If our OL is top ten in this league our offense will roll. If not they may get #3 killed and our RB’s will get stuffed.
September 8th, 2017 at 10:03 am
“Quite a bit of difference throwing to DeSean Jackson.”
Or OJ Howard, Godwin, Brate, Humphries, Sims – we’ve got a lot of good receiving targets.
September 8th, 2017 at 10:03 am
“We’ll go as far as our OL takes us”
Roger that spbf.
September 8th, 2017 at 10:20 am
Webster. . I’m saying you could plainly see it on the field. I said myself after his first couple of seasons that he still struggles if he doesn’t have a good ground game. Nit unlike many other young qbs learning. This was before ever seeing any stats, which yea in other cases can be misleading.
September 8th, 2017 at 10:21 am
Forget who the RB is. Worry about the OL.
IMO, this OL is vastly better than 2016. Injuries could change that, however.
September 8th, 2017 at 11:57 am
Man that pass on Dalvin Cook might bite us in the ass.
September 8th, 2017 at 1:03 pm
Coburn
All i know is he still threw for over 4000 yards without a running game last year. Again throwing 35 plus and losing is more about having to come from behind then not having a running game. The year the bucs won the bowl, their running game sucked. They did not go willy nilly with pass attempts because defense kept them in the game. They stayed committed to the run eventhough the results were not great. Just having the threat of a run is big but if you are playing from behind, the threat of the run is out the window.