Jameis Scares Giants’ DC
September 29th, 2017
Not buying criticism of America.
Earlier this week, Giants defenders were crowing that playing opposite of America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, will cure their interception drought.
It seems their coordinator isn’t as confident.
Speaking on SNY this week, Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo was told how his defensive backs are fired up playing against Jameis, convinced Jameis will throw a pick or two. Let’s just say Spagnuolo isn’t that confident.
“That would be nice if he throws a couple to us,” Spagnuolo smiled. “But look, that’s not going to happen. [Jameis] is a good quarterback. You have to force him into those things.”
We have all been waiting for Jameis to take that next step, you know, put the team on his back to win the game. This could be that game.
In case you haven’t noticed, the Bucs running game stinks — even winning coach Dirk Koetter ripped the running attack yesterday. Yeah, sure, folks want the Bucs to hand the ball off 30 times but if the running game is going nowhere, what’s the point, especially when the Bucs have gamewreckers Mike Evans, DeSean Jackson and Cam Brate available?
Joe isn’t sure Jameis is there yet as a quarterback that can carry an NFL team. It sure would be nice if Sunday is that day.
September 29th, 2017 at 8:24 am
Jameis has the ability to throw 4 td’s or 4 int’s. I think Dirk is as scared as Spag.
September 29th, 2017 at 8:26 am
It’s hard to run the ball when your down 14 or 21 points!
They didn’t have a chance, So blame the defense and turnovers!
not the running game.
September 29th, 2017 at 8:29 am
I think Dirk will be very conservative this week I see a lot of runs and taking the ball out of the NOT franchise QB, as Jameis has proven over and over you can’t put the game in his hand at this point in his career.
Even with weapons he’s just not there yet.
GO BUCS!!!
September 29th, 2017 at 8:33 am
We should bring Johnny Football Manziel for a tryout. This will end JoeL’s depression.
ok kidding a side…
JoeS is right we are waiting for Dr. Winston to bring his game up a notch. If he felt the defense was a safety net for the Bucs to be in games then the Vikings game hopefully will change his mind. Is time to turn the switch on to a more complete quarterback. When somebody is down in the family you have to rise above the water. Be the example, otherwise the whole family drowns.
As Simple As That! Time to Bring the Stick, Jameis!!!
September 29th, 2017 at 8:36 am
Get-R-Done Jameis. Some folks apparently need reminding why you were the #1 overall pick and one of the best QB prospects yet seen this millennium. I have no doubts personally that the Buccaneers will win one or more Super Bowls with Winston under center or that Jameis will one day proudly wear a Gold jacket – but a reminder THIS WEEK of why all that is inevitable wouldn’t suck…
Think Philly ’15….
September 29th, 2017 at 8:38 am
Most of Jameis’ interceptions are downfield into coverage…..Koetter should use a dose of screens and checkdowns and rely on YAC….we’ve got Sims, Jackson, Howard and Hump…
Yes…I’m saying dink & dunk…..
September 29th, 2017 at 8:41 am
Go back to his FSU days, Jameis has relied heavily on his defenses to bail him out…Problem now is the NFL doesn’t allow magical comebacks over and over when you start slow, then bury yourself with TOs. Jameis is game manager…if he accepts that role AND the defense plays solid, we can win with him. If we keep rolling out efforts/game plans that require him to drop back 35+ times….his stats/winning % is awful.
September 29th, 2017 at 8:46 am
What is the DC going to say? He is smart enough not to give the Bucs bulletin board material. He knows they have a good shot at taking the ball away. All he has to do is watch the tape. For the Giants defense that tape looks pretty good to them.
September 29th, 2017 at 9:03 am
I Have to defend 3
He doesn’t have great line or running back talent.
It’s a hard league to succeed when u have those things.
If we had a legit back a great left and right tackles
He’d be fine
September 29th, 2017 at 9:08 am
When you take the ball out of JW’s hands, you’re turning him into Freeman 2.0 Bucs would be smart to stay on Jameis and refine his game and his decision making but let him sling that rock.
September 29th, 2017 at 9:09 am
Joe, after watching Ty Montgomery convert to RB, can you ask Dirk if he’s considered using Godwin in the backfield on 3rd downs or as a RB. Always preaches best men on the field. The run game looks like it rest fully on Doug’s shoulders which is a major mistake by Jason. Hump also has looked really great as a 3rd option.
September 29th, 2017 at 9:10 am
Joe willie could throw 6 int’s or 6 td’s in a game. Entertaining as hell! But he won a Super Bowl!
September 29th, 2017 at 9:24 am
Jameis scares me too, at least “Crazy Jameis” does when he decides to throw into too much coverage or decides to throw up a prayer….but we all love “Good Jameis” when he throws ’em right on the money!
September 29th, 2017 at 9:29 am
A lot of similarities between these teams.
QBs who can be hot or cold.
Dynamic skill players on the outside.
HC’s who were better play callers when they were just OCs.
September 29th, 2017 at 9:37 am
If the Bucs do not make the playoffs this year I think a lot of the blame should and will go towards Jason Licht for not properly addressing the running back and defensive end position.
September 29th, 2017 at 10:04 am
@Tampabaybucfan BRO BRO you don’t think Koetter doesn’t give Jameis check downs? The deal is JW ignores them.
If you are at the game please start a Check Down chant so JW doesn’t forget he’s got option besides the main read.
September 29th, 2017 at 10:18 am
Standing in the pocket might not get it against the Giants DE’s. They can bring it..unlike us. Jameis is going to have to mix it up quite a bit to keep them off tilter. He needs to run when the opportunity is there..if we want to win this game. I do think they will be ready for our running game. But there is an X factor with Jameis and his scrambling abilities. He needs to utilize them. Giants will be coming hard.
September 29th, 2017 at 10:36 am
@Destin
I agree on the running game being boo boo but our O Line has been very solid. In fact, we went up against one of the best defenses in Minnesota and I thought the O Line played excellent. JW didn’t though and he had absolutely no running game to keep the defense honest. I hope the G Men secondary are licking their chops because they are going to get hit hard this week by a powerful Bucs offense. JW will have a solid game and Koetter will call a solid game as he usually does. The Giants secondary is weak in my opinion which is why they stand at 0-3. Licht wisely selected VH3 over Apple.
September 29th, 2017 at 10:47 am
He needs to run when the opportunity is there….
@MIKE….I agree…ive been saying this since last year….his rookie year he would take off and take what the defense gives him….its as if dirk said,” run and i’ll bench you”….as early as it is, this is a must win game….GO BUCS!!!
September 29th, 2017 at 11:19 am
@Joe … “folks want the Bucs to hand the ball off 30 times but if the running game is going nowhere, what’s the point, especially when the Bucs have gamewreckers Mike Evans, DeSean Jackson and Cam Brate available?” Very pessimistic view Joe. Giving up on the run prematurely leads to Jameis flinging the ball 40 times a games which leads to … drumroll please … INTs. Jameis is at his best when we use a balanced attack. Stick with the run for a while, but mix in short passes to our RBs & TEs (and probably to a few WRs just to keep Giants off-balance). Other teams have run very successfully against them, and so can we, but not if we give up on the run after 7 or 8 tries. And for goodness sake Koetter needs to Peyton Barber a chance to tote the rock if he’s healthy. Bucs won’t win unless our running game is working AND we run it 25-30 times. Keep the Giants’ offense … and our defense … off the field.
September 29th, 2017 at 11:32 am
Give me a break, Jameis doesn’t scare ANY DC’s. You NEVER know which Jameis is going to show up week to week. I hope the stick carriers can help the defense keep us in this game until Winston settles down. There is NO reason this team should not make it to the Playoffs. No more excuses! Go BUCS!
September 29th, 2017 at 12:15 pm
You may be onto something but not this. Frankly, Joe thinks —
with all due respect, not trying to be an arse — this would be beyond dumb. No need to ruin a promising wide receiver in his rookie year. He’s still learning his position, much less learning a brand new position in the NFL.
BUT… why not convert Twinkle Toes Chucky Sims to a slot receiver? The Bucs already have moved him to slot in some formations. Sims simply is a godawful running back. Yeah, he can block. So could Michael Clayton.
September 29th, 2017 at 12:27 pm
I agree that we need to use Barber as our early down back this weekend – The D has to figure out how to get off the field. I’d play some type of box and 1 on OBJ. Let someone else beat us.
We have some tough fans.
Pitt lost to the Bears on the road, Raiders lost to the Redskins on the road. Carr looked unstoppable the 1st 2 weeks and looked very bad last week. Denver lost to Buffalo on the road.
Going to be tough – Go Bucs!
September 29th, 2017 at 12:34 pm
I’ve come to the realization that most posters on this site are idiotic. That is all.
September 29th, 2017 at 12:38 pm
Jameis scares D-coordinators because he is anything but a “game manager”. He is a gun-slinger that can make every throw in the book and make many throws almost no one else this side of Aaron Rodgers can make. Does he trust his arm too much at times, of course … so did Elway, Favre, both Mannings, etc., but he strikes fear into D-coordinators, period.
September 29th, 2017 at 12:53 pm
BY THE WAY … all you low-football-IQ and insanely ludicorous “fans” that whine about Jameis’ interceptions and wish he was a “game manager” … consider the crop of college QBs about to enter the draft.
Baker Mayfield … thrown just 15 picks in his last 30 games
Mason Rudolph … thrown just 7 picks in his last 17 games
Sam Darnold … SEVEN PICKS in just 4 games this year
Josh Allen … EIGHTEEN picks in his last 18 games
The top two are insanely efficient QBs on the collegiate level and they are projected to get drafted in the 2nd-3rd round … the bottom two are wild gun-slingers who throw a ton of picks and they are projected to be the #1 OVERALL and #2 OVERALL draft picks in the upcoming draft!
Many “fans” just don’t understand football. If our team had the 85′ Bears defense, perhaps a game-manager would be all it would need to win a ring … but it doesn’t, it has a decent defense, one a game manager might be able to guide to 7-8 wins year in and year out.
I have said it before and I’ll say it again, if there was an all-player NFL draft, Jameis would go #1 overall ahead of every other player in the league … enjoy him!
September 29th, 2017 at 1:06 pm
By the way … Jameis played very, very good football last week and EVEN IF Mike Evans wouldn’t have had the drop on a 15 yard pass early in the game and dropped the final pass that would have been a TD AND EVEN IF the refs would have called pass interference on Minny when D-Jax got bumped off his route that ended up in an interception AND EVEN IF the Viking’s Trae Wayans had let the bomb ricochet off his fingers and into the hands of D-Jax for a TD on Jameis’ first pick … Jameis would have finished 31-39 for around 390 yards, 4 TD’s and ZERO picks … and the Vikings still would have won 34-28!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you look at Jameis’ picks since he came into the league, they come in bunches and they generally come in games when the Bucs are clearly over-matched and getting smacked and Jameis is trying his best, stats be damned, to gun-sling them to victory as “game managing” at that point is useless and the only hope of pulling off a comeback victory is to score FAST.
As I said last Sunday, that third pick Jameis threw is exactly why I love him and have no real doubt he will go down as an all-time great! Many (most?) NFL QB’s wouldn’t throw that pass to Mike, even though they know it may be the only way to get the team back into the game and score fast … instead they’d just check-down to a back, let clock run and call it a day … to preserve their stats!
I see a bunch of NFL QB’s do the same thing on end-of-half hail-marys … they PURPOSELY throw the ball out of bounds so they don’t have an interception added to their stats … it’s sickening. Yet, Jameis throws one into the end-zone as he did in Dallas at the end of the first half last year and it gets picked and then stupid fans and lazy media look at that INT like any other int and kill him for it … how ridiculous.
It’s the same thing in the NBA … there are a lot of “stars” that won’t heave up 50 footers at the end of quarters as they don’t want their FG% to drop, they literally just hold the ball or dribble out the clock … it makes me sick.
Jameis doesn’t care anything about “stats” … and “stats” are all many fans do look at, so there is a disconnect between the idiocy of the fans and the greatness of Jameis.
ANOTHER IMPORTANT THING … if you’re going to be an idiotic “box-score fan” at the very least pay attention to QBR more than passer rating or other “stats”.
I’ll explain this in my next post …
September 29th, 2017 at 1:19 pm
QBR is a “complete stat” in that it factors in everything … in this way it is the
“most important” stat for quarterbacks and far more relevant than mere passer rating, let alone things like yards, TD’s and INT’s.
Most fans don’t understand it, many mistakenly think it’s the same thing as “passer rating” and even much of the media and talking heads on TV don’t seem to “get it”.
Most fans and even talking heads would say that Mariota had a more “efficient” and therefore a “better” rookie year when compared to Jameis, at least “statistically speaking” and they would point to his higher “passer rating” which was a 91.5 to Jameis’ 84.2 HOWEVER … look at each respective players QBR … Mariota was a mere 51.6 while Jameis was a whopping 60.9!
So, Mariota was 8.7% better on the useless and irrelevant “passer rating” while Jameis was 18% better than Mariota on the relevant and important QBR!
Most fans and even talking heads would definitely say that Derek Carr had a FAR SUPERIOR year statistically speaking then Jameis did last year as Carr tossed 28 TD’s and just 6 picks to Jameis’ 28 TD’s and 18 picks … and Carr’s passer rating is sure a whole lot higher than Jameis’ at 96.7 to 86.1 … HOWEVER JAMEIS HAD THE HIGHER QBR with a 64.7 to Carr’s 62.1 … Jameis was the better QB last year, period.
It just gets soooooooo irksome to see fans and media be so woefully ignorant when it comes to player evaluation and actually understanding the game of football and what makes a player great … they simply look at box-scores .. and it’s so sad as they are missing the forest for the trees.
September 29th, 2017 at 1:25 pm
By the way … in the season that Aaron Rodgers turned 26 years of age, he had 4,367 passing yards and 29 TD passes.
By the time Jameis turns the same 26 years of age (which will occur at the end of the 2019 season (2.5 years from now), barring injury he will likely have around 21,000 passing yards and 150 TD’s.
So, whether you’re an intelligent fan who recognizes Jameis’ career QBR blows guys like Mariota and especially Derek Carr out of the water and are enjoying the Jameis Winston experience … or whether you’re more ignorant
box-score” fans who think yards and TDs are the end all and be all …. ENJOY JAMEIS’ CAREER AND STOP MAKING FOOLS OF YOURSELVES!
September 29th, 2017 at 2:12 pm
@NFLNut
Love how you are using QBR to try and make us believe Jameis is better than he is. What it boils down to is how many INT’s he throws and how many games he costs us because of them. Not saying he cost us the Vikings game with his picks (this time) but did with his slow play. If he would have scored more than 3 points in the first half maybe we would have been in the game and wouldn’t have had to abandon the run. This is the year to stop with ALL the excuses, time to take that next step. QBR does NO good if you are sitting home come Playoff time. Tired of Jameis getting coddled by ALL you FSU fans. He knows he’s to blame, that’s why he takes responsibility for some of these losses. Time to do something about it. Playoffs or Bust! Go BUCS!
September 29th, 2017 at 2:32 pm
JW is a gunslinger and will stay a gunslinger that’s who he is yea he makes mistakes but everybody does to me it seems fans that are against JW wanted somebody else but you didn’t we are fans for a reason because we couldn’t play the sport and now we sit here and try to make players look bad if your a fan be a fan have your say but just remember you and I couldn’t do what he does that’s why he’s there and we are not yea he has bad days but so do we
September 29th, 2017 at 2:47 pm
Big Stinky … love how you are ignoring QBR to try and make people believe Jameis is worse than he is …
By the way, I am NOT in any way, shape or form an FSU fan … not at all!
September 29th, 2017 at 2:49 pm
Great points NFL Nut and REAL! We have to support our Bucs and have faith in them. I believe in this season and we will be great! Go Bucs!
September 29th, 2017 at 2:50 pm
BTW, I honestly believe the reason Jameis “takes responsibility” and says many of the things he says in his press conferences is simply because he knows that is what a leader should say. He never throws teammates under the bus even when they deserve such and he always takes responsibility even when things are obviously not his fault … he’s a true leader unlike a guy like Cam imho.
September 29th, 2017 at 3:13 pm
This season is just starting. We’ve already been without our best defensive player and now our 2nd best defensive player. Quite a few of the rest of our “B” players are limping. So, don’t expect the DC to pull-off some strategic miracles. We have to line-up with the players we have and try hard not to make rookie mistakes.
Let’s forget about all the preseason hype and enjoy each game as it comes. After all, before you know it the season will be over. I hope we have more to look forward to at the end of the season than a high draft choice.
September 29th, 2017 at 3:24 pm
As I said last Sunday, that third pick Jameis threw is exactly why I love him and have no real doubt he will go down as an all-time great! Many (most?) NFL QB’s wouldn’t throw that pass to Mike,
sorry but most wouldn’t have thrown it because mike was TRIPLE covered…Winston has to learn when to be gutsy and when to settle for the next best thing….we could’ve settled for 3 but that opportunity turned into a 7 for the other team….
with that said, I don’t put much blame on jameis for the lost(this time), because he was put in a bad, horrible position by his coaches….we’ll never win another game running the ball only 9 times….GO BUCS!!!!
September 29th, 2017 at 5:40 pm
^ NO, we could NOT have “settled for 3”; that is my entire point! We were too much with too little time left on the clock … many QBs would have checked down to preserve their stats and take the 3 points but that would have only assured their team a loss … Jameis took a chance to try and pull out a miracle come from behind win, stats be damned … and I love him for it and only nonsensical, ignorant fans would whine about that third pick imho.
September 29th, 2017 at 5:44 pm
I’m sick of fans who want Jeff Hornacek instead of Kobe Bryant and Chad Pennington instead of John Elway.
If you’re confused by the above … Hornacek was FAR MORE EFFICIENT than Kobe as he had a higher FG%, 3PT% and FT% … but Kobe was obviously the far superior player.
Jameis is a generational talent and true gun-slinger and goofs on this forum are crying for a dink-n-dunk game manager and it drives me nuts! These goofs, if they were a GM, would have drafted Pennington over Elway and a guy like Sam Bradford over Favre and a guy like Jake Browning over Sam Darnold … stupid.
September 29th, 2017 at 7:00 pm
Don’t believe Jameis needs to be a dink and dunk QB.Do believe he has to do everything in his power to eliminate costly turnovers.This team is not healthy enough
or good enough yet to overcome 10-14 points deficits that accompanied far too many of our losses.
Now I do believe Jameis can be money on the intermediate passes of 15 to 25
yards. But he has to become more of a finisher in the red zone.Defense can help you win some games ,but at the end of the day most times the offense has to score more points than the opposition.
September 29th, 2017 at 7:07 pm
I bet he scares the Buc fans more
September 29th, 2017 at 8:27 pm
^ Ignorant, idiotic Bucs “fans” … sure, I can see those fans being scared …