Rank Ignorance Of Bucs/NFL
August 14th, 2017
Tool.
Suits at Disney actually wonder why folks cord-cut and why BSPN has become a major drag on Disney stock’s bottom line.
Now before Joe gets rolling, let Joe be perfectly clear: The following is in no way a defense of former Bucs kicker Roberto Aguayo, who the Bucs released Saturday and who was picked up by the Bears yesterday (the Bears!).
This post is to highlight what very well may be the dumbest statement Joe has ever read from a guy that has worked full-time covering the NFL for years. Guess it is a good thing if not apt the same fraud is going to be a morning radio stooge soon.
Upon learning the Bucs released Aguayo Saturday, this empty-head Trey Wingo of BSPN twittered that Aguayo was the worst pick in NFL history.
Let that abject ignorance sink in for a moment. Not even that troll Clay Travis would sink to that level. Joe isn’t sure Dan Sileo would even say something that idiotic.
Worst pick in NFL history? Dear God, Aguayo wasn’t even the worst second round pick in Bucs history. Additionally, Aguayo wasn’t the worst second round pick in the past 15 years for the Bucs.
Da’Quan Bowers, the bad Dexter Jackson and Sabby the Goat were all worse than Aguayo. At least Aguayo won a game (at Carolina) for the Bucs, but it took Aguayo’s teammates to form a televised prayer circle, asking for divine guidance to ease Aguayo’s kick through the uprights.
Worst pick in history? How about Ryan Leaf? It took years for the Chargers to recover from that and how many millions did Leaf pocket? Same with JaMarcus Russell. Just now the Raiders are finally over that.
Shoot, the Bucs nearly made the playoffs with Aguayo!
This knothead Wingo claims because the Bucs traded up to grab Aguayo, that qualifies as worst pick. Hey, how about Robert Griffin III? The Redskins traded four picks (three first round picks and a second round pick) for the right to draft RGIII. That’s just a little steeper of a price than Bucs AC/DC-loving general manager Jason Licht coughed up for Aguayo.
Just think folks, for the people who have been hoodwinked by BSPN and can’t watch anything other than that channel, this is what passes for information from full-time staffers at the four-letter who cover the NFL for a living.
Joe could understand if some running-at-the mouth talking head like screamin’ Stephen A. Smith said this, or some ex-player, but for a guy who claims to be a professional like this Wingo character, it’s beyond the pale and demonstrates Wingo has zero sense of NFL history (or for that matter, Bucs history).
Of course, this isn’t the first time Wingo stepped in a public pile of feces when it comes to the Bucs. And yes, for full disclosure, Joe and Wingo have a not-so-pleasant history.
Back when Raheem Morris coached the Bucs, Wingo once referred to Morris as “Radio,” which was a vulgar slur and Joe called out Wingo on it.
For those not aware, “Radio” was a character played by Academy Award-winning actor Cuba Gooding, Jr. in the 2003 movie of the same name. “Radio” was a young African-American man who suffered from an intellectual disability and was befriended by a high school football team. The movie had a star-studded cast with actors who were Academy Award nominees as well as an Emmy Award winner. The movie was widely distributed and for years was on a regular rotation on major cable movie networks.
The film grossed some $52 million at the box office, not a bad piece of change for 2003, especially when the movie was filmed for a budget of $30 million.
Joe called out Wingo on this vile slur at Morris and Wingo responded by claiming he never heard of the movie “Radio” (and suggested he was referencing a character in an indie film). First, Wingo’s claim is dubious at best. He works in the football world and he never heard of the football-based movie “Radio,” which had well-known movie and TV stars in the cast and was shown all over cable TV for years? Smelled like ca-ca to Joe at the time and it still does.
Further, Joe has the strong sense Wingo was flat out lying. Why? His outfit nominated the movie for an ESPY Award!
Of course, when Wingo wigged out at Joe, a suit from the four-letter e-mailed Joe and had the unmitigated gall to lecture Joe on journalism ethics, which was absolutely outrageous if not hysterical! That may be the richest e-mail Joe has ever received. BSPN has been the outright worst destroyer of journalism ethics Joe has ever seen. This was the ultimate stunt of hypocrisy.
Joe has never lifted breaking news from someone and presented it as his own as BSPN has regularly done for years. And that is just one of many, many examples Joe could cite from that Disney-run joint.
(Remember when that place claimed America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, was selling autographs in college? Uh, huh.)
To suggest Aguayo is the worst pick in NFL history is laughable beyond words. A half-educated child wouldn’t make such a claim.
But a guy who fronts a daily NFL show on a major cable network? That’s par for the course. And if you have cable, you are paying that clown indirectly.
Wingo is too stupid to realize this Twitter of his was nothing more than a PSA for cord-cutting.
What a maroon!
(And, yes, Joe meant “maroon!”)
August 14th, 2017 at 7:11 am
I was asked a very similar question yesterday by a friend who knows I’m a stick carrier…Bucs can. Asked if I thought Bob was the worst draft pick ever. I choked up my coffee and said I’d have start with all the failed QBs, RBs, DEs, LTs, etc that went ion rounds 1-2 before even considering Bob as the worst pick.
August 14th, 2017 at 7:11 am
maybe 2nd worse pick?? lol – seriously, you are spot on Joe. The guys an idiot. Wish Roberto the best, maybe kicking the ball in winter on Lake Michigan will be easier….
August 14th, 2017 at 7:13 am
Not siding but I think a part of his opinion is that the player got cut before his 2nd year.
August 14th, 2017 at 7:21 am
I saw his quote. My response: Don’t be a DINGO Wingo! The Saints drafted Russell Erxleben to be their punter/kicker 11th overall in the 1979 draft. Arguably their biggest bust in franchise history, yet no one mentions him…..
August 14th, 2017 at 7:22 am
Somebody woke up on the wrong side of the bed
August 14th, 2017 at 7:23 am
I went back and looked at the picks both after we took Aguayo and where we would have picked if we hadn’t traded up and I didn’t see any names that jumped out as “Oh my god we could have had HIM!” We wanted a guy so we got our guy and we misjudged. Credit for acknowledging the mistake and moving on rather than sticking to our guns out of pride.
August 14th, 2017 at 7:26 am
I read an article somewhat defending his statement that was actually compelling. Wingo didn’t make it and there is no way to know if this was his train of thought (I doubt) It had more to do with the possible upside of the move. This was always my argument. Even if he turned out to be vinaterri, the wins above average replacement doesn’t warrant a second round pick for a kicker, being said his headline of worse pick of all time is fallacial. In 1979, the saints used a 13th pick on what turned out to be a punter (anyone know who was drafted in the third round of that draft?)
August 14th, 2017 at 7:28 am
Feel… sorry didn’t see your post.
August 14th, 2017 at 7:36 am
Nice Bugs Bunny reference at the end Joe. (you’re showing our age).
August 14th, 2017 at 7:38 am
“Radio” how the hell did he keep his job.
August 14th, 2017 at 7:40 am
Licht took a gamble and lost. Many, many others have done the same. Move on. That’s what we do.
August 14th, 2017 at 7:42 am
Jamarcus Russell had to be the worst
August 14th, 2017 at 7:44 am
Who cares what Hal Wingo thinks?
August 14th, 2017 at 7:46 am
With you 100% on this one Joe.
Great, factual rant! Best one in some time.
August 14th, 2017 at 7:47 am
“BSPN has been the outright worst destroyer of journalism ethics Joe has ever seen.”
You need to ‘read’ out more often, Joe. Bit dramatic.
August 14th, 2017 at 7:52 am
I said it the other day Joe. Wasnt even the worst 2nd round pick of that draft. Guy is an idiot, no doubt. Caught up in the moment and did no research, or thinking for that matter. I can think of a bucs player who had a relative who was a bigger bust, vernon gholston. Having said that tho theres no doubt it was a bad pick. More for the trading away 2 picks. Nugent went 47th overall n hasnt been great. Definitely could have used those 2 other picks/players as weve talked about. Im soooo glad he was finally released so we can move on now. Licht wants the pick back more than anyone. Mistake, learn, move on. N yeah Id love your boy Yannick to be comin off the edge today too. Go Bucs
August 14th, 2017 at 7:52 am
Fair or not, Licht will take his lumps in the media in the short term (that’s part of the GM job, too), but he only has to care what the Glazers think. Cutting Aguayo had to be done.
August 14th, 2017 at 8:13 am
The national media has ignored the Bucs for so long. These statemnts shouldn’t be a surprise. Lots of mistakes when the Bucs are mentioned, and no one ever calls them on it. Thanks for calling them out, but BSPN is hardly the only entity guilty of this.
August 14th, 2017 at 8:16 am
I admire Licht’s boldness to trade up for a player he believes in, and so far it’s worked out more often than not. Not to mention… yes, Aguayo didn’t make it to his second season, but the Chiefs drafted a cornerback with the 3rd rounder we traded to them, and he got cut after Week 1 last year!!
August 14th, 2017 at 8:25 am
IMO this was far from Licht’s worst move of the draft. His worst move was keeping Glennon if he truly had an third round offer as was widely reported. An extra third rounder for this draft would’ve been gold. Being said, and I hate picking a kicker, in any round, I love how Licht is building the team. I’m a fan.
August 14th, 2017 at 8:26 am
Pretty sure Trey Wingo was being facetious for twitter’s sake but it doesn’t help Licht’s cause that the Saints drafted Vonn Bell two picks later. And that is what kills an organization. Now Licht has to burn another 2nd rnd pick on another safety the following year. A safety who apparently has trouble tackling and may not even be a day 1 starter, not ideal.
August 14th, 2017 at 8:33 am
Btw drafted Evans when Mixon was still on the board. And if you have the balls to move up for a kicker why not move up for Dalvin Cook? Either way, I don’t see how you end the offseason without signing Mixon, Cook or AP. All of which are better than Jac Rodgers and Charles Sims, imho.
August 14th, 2017 at 8:33 am
He’s top 25 for sure.
August 14th, 2017 at 8:34 am
Hmm, how about that Ricky Williams pick Mr. Wingo, you NFL sage you? Was Ditka trading all his picks for a pothead a better move than the Bucs trading two for the best kicker in college?
August 14th, 2017 at 8:35 am
I don’t know Joe, There might be a target audience for him!!!!!!!!!!! There were some so called “Fans” that was angry and complaining about the “Playcalling” in the first preseason game!!!!!!!!!! I am sure they read trey wingo and nod their heads!!!!!!! LOL the sheep!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Go BUCS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 14th, 2017 at 8:35 am
Joe, why is Clay Travis a troll? He’s the best follow on Twitter.
August 14th, 2017 at 8:35 am
Very fair take Joe. It is definitely clowns like him and other journalist who are absolutely ruining credibility in the media. It’s like being aloof above a certain factual reality. Aguayo is a bust no doubt about it but he’s only such a ‘high profile’ bust because of his draft position and being a kicker. It’s hard to say the BIGGEST bust when he has less kicks then Jamarcus Russell has picks
August 14th, 2017 at 8:42 am
I remember when Team Joe pimp slapped Ashtrey Wingo. He’s a smarmy twirp who ESPN decided not to layoff unlike John Clayton ( he’s $ ) and other far more talented on-air personalities.
August 14th, 2017 at 9:14 am
It actually was a very stupid draft pick the whole transaction was stupid to put that much pressure on a kicker in the second round and look at the players that were available and we took a kicker. Now if we would have taken him and let’s say the fourth round and there wasn’t as much pressure and weight on his shoulders he could be the next All Pro Hall of Fame kicker that ain’t going to happen and Tampa Bay anymore now he’s in Chicago with no wait or pressure and he’s going to turn into a solid kicker it was a stupid draft pick just because of the weight I put on his shoulders
August 14th, 2017 at 9:15 am
Nice rant Joe. Feel better now?
August 14th, 2017 at 9:16 am
Dang voice to text
August 14th, 2017 at 9:26 am
#StickCarriers unite!!!
We all need to tweet this article link to WingNo!!!! Whether in reply to one of his tweets (preferably one with others on tge thread as well like Shefter or Darlington), or directly for those that can!! Either way, no more being disrespected!!! These kats disrespecting our GM in this way is these kats disrespecting us!!!!!
Like Joe said, this is not to defend Aguayo. This is an opportunity to do just what the #StickCarriers were created to dunite as one against anyone who would dare attack our team!!!! In Licht we trust, as far as our franchise is concerned!! #StickCarriers mount up!!!!!
“I’m tired of being disrespected! …” – Jameis
I’ve got my Buc Realist happening for this one!!!!!!
August 14th, 2017 at 9:27 am
Ryan Leaf clearly owns that title. Picked 1st over all and couldn’t make it in the NFL? Well at least Aguayo isn’t popping xanny’s and robbing convenient stores. I think the kid has alot left im the tank before he reaches tha low.
August 14th, 2017 at 9:31 am
Wingo is a F#@king idiot. You think he would have don’t a tad bit more research before making such a bold and ignorant statement. Google is your friend.
August 14th, 2017 at 9:31 am
Just another liberal Journalist who is consumed with lies and spinning. Just consider the source Joe! Don’t let them get to you, they really can’t help it.
August 14th, 2017 at 9:34 am
Wow i didnt think it was possible to hate bspn more than I already did.
August 14th, 2017 at 9:35 am
FOx Sports pilfered the few decent talent over at the four letter.
August 14th, 2017 at 9:41 am
Bo Jackson and Booker Reese have to go before Roberto the kicker.
August 14th, 2017 at 9:54 am
Let me play devil’s advocate here. Those picks you compare to Aguoyo were all considered norm’s of the usual draft process. QB’s are drafted high and a lot of them bust all the time. Bowers, Sabby, and Dexter were all considered ok picks on draft day, with the usual risks involved. Aguoyo on the other hand was widely regarded as a terrible pick at the time it was made, because of this position obviously and draft slot. So I can see why Wingo made his statement.
August 14th, 2017 at 9:56 am
‘Journalist’ is often a deceptive term in the media. Ratings are much more important to ESPN, or any other media company, than the actual process of ‘fact finding’, reporting or analysis. General consensus in the industry is that most people are too ‘stupid’ to understand and process facts. We all just want to be entertained! News has to have an element of ‘reality TV show’ in order to command attention.
Wingo was just using typical TV ethics with his tweet (likely the same with his ‘Radio’ comment). Objective reality doesn’t matter, it’s attention-getting that leads to promotions and fame. Although, I have no doubt that Wingo is an a$$hole (just look at that face). Being an a$$ opens up additional options to make money & typically shortens your path up the career ladder in any big business.
August 14th, 2017 at 10:02 am
wingo is a jokester, i doubt he meant it literally but the aguayo pick is up there as an all-time worst no matter how you want to spin it…
August 14th, 2017 at 10:06 am
@Joe you should definitely pick it up for a movie night… I’m sure Ira would get a kick out of seeing his old Brooklyn stomping grounds!!!
August 14th, 2017 at 10:06 am
As a Journalism major who worked in the industry for a few decades I can say unequivocally that sports long ago slipped from journalism.
In “the old days” sports writers and broadcasters were far more often to view themselves as journalists…same as the guys in the news dept…in fact in TV we were part of the news departments…and we viewed ourselves as having exactly the same responsibility as everyone else in the newsroom…the only difference being the subject material..we covered sports news…they covered city hall, crimes, etc.
With cable TV came all the schtick…Berman…Olberman and Patrick were master entertainers not journalists. And what has resulted is some of the most incredible hyperbole!
Wingo is not a journalist. He’s simply engaging what he believes is entertaining hyperbole. In today’s world it’s shoot your mouth off first and think later.
BTW…@Joes….In a wild west of blogging as a former journalist I do commend you guys for STILL adhering to some tenets of journalism. I suspect it comes from your backgrounds.
But JBF always provides attribution. If they re-report a story they give credit to the source. I think the Joe’s do a great job of identifying their “opinions” from what they gather from actual reporting inside of OBP.
Bottom line for all of you….consider your sources not just for sports news but for all news. I have never been confused here at JBF about what I was reading…opinions from the Joes….reporting from the Joes…or reporting or opinions that come from somewhere else but always identified with proper attribution.
August 14th, 2017 at 10:07 am
Yo Joe!!! Totally agree with the sentiment here and “knothead” is a classic lol… one thing tho, you may have gotten your “Radio’s” crossed. When Wingo said Tadio regarding Morris, I think he was referring to Radio Raheem from Spike Lee’s film Do the Right Thing. The slur part is still relevant if you’ve seen the end of the movie and the way the character ends up… thanks for all the coverage, keep growing!!!
August 14th, 2017 at 10:34 am
I heard that coming into work today. Wow some people will make idiotic statements to just to take a jab at the Bucs. The problem is there was a time when the Bucs were a laughing stock and idiotic comments like these went unchallenged. Thank god WDAE and JoeBucsfan.com have called Wingo out. I pray he hears about it. Kneejerk unthoughtful reaction tweeted out like this is irresponsible and given that he was a NFL Network guy really amazing. Does he have ANY sense of NFL history??? Wow
August 14th, 2017 at 10:39 am
I applaud the Bucs for dumping Arguayo. Was it a bad pick, yes in hindsight. It was definitely a stretch by taking him in the 2nd but nobody would have known he would turn out this god awful. There has been so many drafts bust for Wingo to imply this was the worst is absurd. Wingo is just looking to stir up an audience. ESPN is in the tank. I would rather watch grass grow, paint dry than ESPN.
August 14th, 2017 at 10:41 am
If anyone is the worst pick, it’s the fact that we literally wasted a first round pick on Bo when he said he wouldn’t play for us.
August 14th, 2017 at 10:50 am
Picking a QB in the 1st is smart… trading up to get a K is not.
August 14th, 2017 at 10:55 am
but it doesn’t help Licht’s cause that the Saints drafted Vonn Bell two picks later….
and that is what pisses me off….then this year he grabs j.evans when we had demarcus walker starring at us in the face…..
we could’ve had both positions filled this year but looks like we’ll go into the draft still needing a safety, de, with the additions of needing a cb dt and an olineman…..
with that said, wingo aint that far off….may not be the worst be it sure falls in the strang/dumb/head scratcher pick ever….GO BUCS!!!!
August 14th, 2017 at 11:00 am
I WILL SAY THIS , I’M DONE STOP WATCHING TEAM’S THAT DON’T STAND UP FOR THEIR COUNTRY AND WHEN THE BUC’S PLAY’S THEM I WILL NOT WATCH THE GAME OR PAY TO WATCH THEM, AND IF ANY OF THE BUC’S REFUSE TO STAND UP , I WILL STOP WATCHING THE BUC’S AND THEY ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE BEHIND ME ON THIS ONE , WE PAY GOOD AMERICAN MONEY TO THESE PLAYERS AND AMERICA FOUGHT FOR THE RIGHT FOR THEM TO HAVE A PLACE TO PLAY AND PEOPLE TO WATCH THEM PLAY AND THE ONE’S THAT DON’T STAND UP IS TRYING TO CHANGE THIS , AND SHOULD BE KICKED OFF THE TEAM THAT IS FOR OUR RIGHT’S , GOD BLESS AMERICA !!!
August 14th, 2017 at 11:02 am
ESPN is in the tank.
damn right!!!….everyone I know watch either nfl network, nba tv or mlb network…..
the only show I used to watch was “first take” but once skip left im all about skip and Shannon on FS1…..FS1 has some pretty good shows too…..once espn became more entertainment than informative news it went down the drain…..the only thing that’s keeping them afloat are the 30 for 30’s….lol….GO BUCS!!!!
August 14th, 2017 at 11:16 am
@mike….BOO F’ING WHO…..GO CRY A RIVER SOMEWHERE ELSE….IF AMERICANS WANT TO FORM A PEACEFUL PROTEST BY SITTING DURING ANTHEM, I WILL STAND BEHIND THEM AND TRUST ME THERE ARE TONS OF PEOPLE SUPPORTING THEIR ACTIONS…CANT WAIT FOR THE KAEPERNICK RALLY IN NYC!!!!!…ITS GOING DOWN….GO BUCS!!!!
August 14th, 2017 at 11:37 am
Joe, not defending Wingo, but radio Raheem was a character from spike lees classic do the right thing so it’s possible. As far as the worst draft pick ever, he loses All CRSC especially with likes of JaMarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf and company
August 14th, 2017 at 12:07 pm
Mike n 813
This discussion has been had. Not sure why mike brought it up on this article.
I will say thats your right Mike. Why scream about it? Do it or dont. Not sure why people think others care if they watch games or not. Go Bucs!!
August 14th, 2017 at 12:55 pm
I wonder what Wingo thinks of the Dallas pick of Randy Gregory at #60 in 2015. 20 tackles and 1 sack in his career. What’s he up to these days?
At least Aguayo kicked the winning FG last year at KC.
Wingo is a joke. I’ll say it again… who still gets NEWS from ESPN? It’s for game broadcasts only at my house.
August 14th, 2017 at 1:27 pm
Joe is mostly right here. But today i learned that Joe has never seen spike lee’s cult classic film Do the right thing. Saw the movie. Sorry to burst your bubble–Joe
I hate espn, and yes wingo is a moron, but he was clearly referring to Radio Raheem, who was most certainly not mentally challenged.
August 14th, 2017 at 1:44 pm
How do you really feel Joe? I don’t think I have ever seen you this fired up before.
August 14th, 2017 at 2:19 pm
@Joe
Lol then I dont see how you would think that he was referring RahRah as a simple-minded ball boy and not just playfully referencing an iconic character from a beloved movie… named Raheem. But w/e yo.
And @DB Mixon was selected one pick before us dude. I remember it as clear as day. Evans could still end up being a very good safety. But as of then and up til now, i wish we could have gotten Mixon, even if it meant trading up a couple spots.
August 14th, 2017 at 2:58 pm
Joe does not know that to be true at all.
And no, *this Joe* never saw that movie. (Not much of a movie guy at all. Unless it’s about history or sports or the mob, Joe is unlikely to watch a movie).
Besides, from what Joe was told, referring to a head coach as the character you suggest Wingo is referring to, Joe’s understanding is that is hardly a compliment.
August 14th, 2017 at 3:01 pm
No, no, no, no, no!
Wingo does not work for the NFL Network. Never has. He’s a BSPN stooge.
August 14th, 2017 at 3:13 pm
@Joe
I’m 99 percent sure that he was referencing Radio Raheem, something tells me it has everything to do with the fact that his name… Is Raheem.
And while Radio Raheem wasnt a model citizen, he was liked by everyone in the neighborhood. Before *spoiler* meeting a tragic end.
I highly doubt thay Wingo was blatantly calling Morris a ‘tard, rather than making a harmless reference to pop culture.
August 14th, 2017 at 8:14 pm
Wingo is an insulated and entitled mental midget. His mom must be part of the disney family. Remember Sean Salisbury (another espn prodigy)…wasn’t he canned for calling John Clayton “Crypt Keeper”.
Nice to know insecure bullies like Wingo can work with impunity at their dads station.
August 14th, 2017 at 10:49 pm
Howard:
Salisbury got canned because he liked to flash people his junk.
Not too many workplaces are kosher with that.
August 15th, 2017 at 12:00 am
90% of JoeBucsFans readers actually think this was the worst draft pick ever, worse than the Bucs taking Bo Jackson #1 overall.
August 15th, 2017 at 1:11 am
I’m just glad it is over, too much stress on game day to begin with. My family is glad it’s over. So glad Folk won the competition, seems like he has a decent track record. Move on, glad we got Joe to defend Licht for making a pick which seemd on the outside like it might work out. F. U. wingo