America Vs. Aaron Rodgers
August 13th, 2017
Eye-popping data.
You heard it; Joe heard it. And at the time, Joe nearly shot Bud Light through his nose.
During the season premiere of “Hard Knocks,” there was a touching moment during the scene in which winning Bucs coach Dirk Koetter had a sitdown with America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston. Koetter was the dad and Jameis was the oldest son.
Koetter praised Jameis for asking intelligent questions and lauded his skills, but at the same time he was cautioning Jameis he can do just as much harm as good.
The element where Koetter told Jameis he is more like Aaron Rodgers than Tom Brady nearly put Joe on the floor.
As much as Joe likes Jameis, he’s no Aaron Rodgers, a future Hall of Famer. Not yet, anyway. That’s nearly an outrageous comment from Koetter. Joe thought it would have been much more responsible for Koetter to call Jameis more like Brett Favre. Just like Farve, Jameis is a gunslinger of the highest order who never met a play he didn’t like or thought he couldn’t complete.
But apparently, Joe should leave the quarterback coaching in Koetter’s hands because, lifting the hood, Koetter may have been dead-on.
BSPN was digging and found that when Jameis is outside the pocket, his numbers are nearly identical to Rodgers. Yes, really.
Buccaneers head coach Dirk Koetter said on Hard Knocks to QB Jameis Winston: “You play a different style of quarterback than Tom Brady, you play a closer style to Aaron Rodgers.” Over the last two seasons, Rodgers and Winston rank first and second respectively on TD passes from outside the pocket. Winston, though, has out-produced Rodgers in a myriad of other categories and has the best QBR in the NFL outside the pocket over the last two years.
This blew Joe away and is sick to fathom.
Now you haters who used to rag on Jameis being slow, how do you like Jameis now?
August 13th, 2017 at 12:24 am
Jeez joe, I posted these stats 4 days ago.
Mike Evans GOAT Says:
August 8th, 2017 at 7:52 pm
Just saw an interesting stat. Winston ranks 1st in QBR on throws OUTSIDE the pocket since 2015. He’s 2nd in Tds OUTSIDE the pocket and 5th in yards per attempt since 2015 (Rookie year)
August 13th, 2017 at 12:38 am
people don’t call Rodgers a gunslinger because he has relatively low int ratios. But the guy is an accurate gunslingers. He throws deep often, and it doesn’t matter what the coverage is. I watch quite a bit of Rodgers, thanks to living in WI. He’s a gunslinger for sure. He just has deadly accuracy to go with it.
August 13th, 2017 at 12:41 am
JOE,
It’s also possible that this was simply another one of the Godfather’s phsycologixql strategies. Maybe he wants Jameis to think less like Favre and more like Rodgers bcc he knows Favre’s style of play results in more turnovers and is this less likely to produce wins. Just a thought.
August 13th, 2017 at 12:49 am
Jameis is WAY, WAY, WAY AHEAD of Rodgers at his age … when all is said and done Jameis’ will be far more accomplished than ARod imho.
August 13th, 2017 at 12:50 am
This is cool. I (Howard) had no idea Rodgers and America were so similar.
August 13th, 2017 at 12:51 am
Tru
I unfortunately live in the armpit of America known as Wisconsin as well.
And I Flucking HATE the fudge Packers!!!!!!
August 13th, 2017 at 1:16 am
Marc’s statement makes a lot of sense folks..and so does NFLNut…Koetter knows which words are the “seeds” that goes into Jameis’ brain..A good leader does this..I do this at work..praise someone who I think he/she resembles and sure as heck, they aim to be just like that person!
August 13th, 2017 at 5:12 am
It wasn’t saying he is as good as Rodgers. His STYLE is the same. And it is. The play on the move a lot. Like to play with deep passes. Not traditional stand up quarterback. More of a mobile, make it happen type guy. So what was so “outrageous” about Koetters comments to J?
August 13th, 2017 at 6:35 am
Messiah is here!!!!!
The Messiah will deliver next February!!!
Fire the Guns and Cannons!!!
August 13th, 2017 at 6:42 am
Jameis is right where he needs to be. Loved the passes and pocket presence in the first preseason game. The additions of Howard and Godwin will spead the field, giving more throwing and running lanes. His added conditioning also made him look quicker.
August 13th, 2017 at 7:51 am
Yeah jameis is a little bit further along that rodgers at this age. Especially considering Rodgers, headed into year 2, had never thrown a touchdown….
August 13th, 2017 at 7:56 am
Put down the Bud Light. For f sakes have some self respect.
August 13th, 2017 at 8:24 am
When you have to use a term like ‘Outside the pocket’ it isn’t good enough.
Jameis is young, and he will get much better, but he is not the best, and he is not better than Rogers. TDs are everything.
August 13th, 2017 at 8:31 am
Just a suspicion, but I doubt Jamieis would be this good without Koetter coaching him and having Evans as his primary target.
August 13th, 2017 at 8:42 am
He needs to stop locking on to Evans near the goal line. You have Brate and Howard also.
August 13th, 2017 at 9:16 am
Howard is our best red zone reciever. With his separation skills and physical mismatch he should be #1 option but…..
Koetter is going to put him as our beast lineman blocker
August 13th, 2017 at 9:20 am
Chris when the best receiver he’s ever had is single covered in a throw up situation and is 6’5” you throw it. That was the play call as well
August 13th, 2017 at 9:38 am
Joe…you know I’ve mentioned Rodgers many times on other threads. I think I know the point Koetter is making. His game lines up more with Rodgers than Brady. He is a strong armed QB that can make plays with his legs, and is actually more effective outside the pocket on the move when the play begins to break down. In fact, that is often when he is most dangerous. He takes some chances, but almost always makes the other team pay more than his team does for his risk taking. He truly loves the game and uses his mental skills to affect and control the flow of the game and is skilled at keeping the opposition on their heals. He and Jameis both have the mental talent to do the same thing.
No…Jameis isn’t there yet…particularly in the later area. But he can be. And yes, his game and style do line up more with a Rodgers or a Favre than Brady.
August 13th, 2017 at 10:01 am
Trent Dilfer said roughly the same thing 5 years ago as Jameis was coming out of high school. Yet with a slight twist.
Without naming the names, he said you are already Aaron Rodgers but there will be times when you need to channel your inner Tom Brady….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqXEpHMDVi8
August 13th, 2017 at 10:13 am
Not reading these comments. DK was comparing style of play. He was not saying JW3 was as good as. C’mon man!!!
August 13th, 2017 at 10:14 am
This is Joe making something out of nothing. He was talking about Jameis’ STYLE OF PLAY not his quality of play. And he was right. Koetter never said that Jameis was as good as Rodgers simply that the style in which they play is similar.
August 13th, 2017 at 10:30 am
TruBucFan
Like you I live in “Cheesehead” territory on Michigan’s UP. I agree completely with your take.
I certainly accept the last two posters points about DK referring to style…mostly…but I think both DK and #3 DO hold standards so high they both expect #3 to EVENTUALLY…soon in fact…to play as well as Rodgers.
Rodgers is the QB I would most compare to #3…used to think it was Big Ben but #3 is far more elusive in the pocket that Roethlisberger.
I get the comparisons to Favre because of the ints and sometimes reckless nature of #3’s choices….IMO #3 is moving towards more Rodgers like play.
And I get Joe’s dig at those who think #3 is slow…that would be me for sure.
But there is more than one way to get the job done. So Aaron Rodgers has incredibly nimble feet and great speed…but #3 has his own skill sets to compensate for his lack of speed.
#3 is very, very slippery..a wonderfully intuitive runner with a nice feel of the pocket and he’s athletic and difficult to bring down…so for me yeah Rodgers is clearly faster…more nimble…but #3 is harder to bring down so it’s a wash.
Bottom line…humans find an almost desperate need to compare…was this steak as good as the one I ate last month…is this car like this car…we could of course just let all of the comparison go.
Here is what thrills me about our team. #3 is an ORIGINAL. Just as exciting is the fact that DK realizes this!
Someday…perhaps ten years from now…some QB will come out and sadly for him….everybody will compare him to #3. Comparisons can be fun and help us define things…but right now I honestly do not see any genuine comparisons to #3’s total game…parts of it…but put it all together and there is only ONE #3.
August 13th, 2017 at 10:32 am
There is no comparison as far Jameis vs Rodgers. Not even close. Rodgers is so experienced. Jameis has quite a ways to go. And he definitely has to get much better in the red zone. 3 pt conversions just don’t get it against the good teams. So please stop trying to make Jameis more than he is. The kids got a long ways to go. Long ways!
August 13th, 2017 at 10:57 am
Yeah Mike we hear you and ignore you. Someone identified you as Debbie Downer.
OBVIOUSLY #3 is not as experienced as Rodgers. Yet #3 did something that Rodgers NEVER did…pass for over 4,000 yards his first two seasons. So technically at this point in his career #3 has exceeded Rodgers.
But let me guess…#3’s passing success came because of the many talented WR’s and this stout OL and great running game….nah that can’t be it since you have also trashed all those parts of the Bucs as well.
Geez wonder how #3 did it?
August 13th, 2017 at 11:16 am
Thanks for the link, Pick. That was fun to watch. And also prophetic.
August 13th, 2017 at 11:40 am
Megoat, love him or hate him. He’s a damn good qb. Someone i have no problem winston getting comparisons to.
August 13th, 2017 at 11:47 am
Steven007 – my favorite moment of that video is where Trent says “nobody learned faster. Austin prepped more – but nobody learned faster”. The video flashes to Jameis at 20 seconds after Dilfer just said “Austin prepped more” and you can see the pain and discomfort flash in Winston’s eyes at the idea that he was outworked and outstudied by another QB.
Its almost like in that moment the gym rat, hardest working player in the building was born and you can just envision Jameis taking those words to heart – there and then vowing to NEVER get outworked again.
August 13th, 2017 at 11:51 am
JOE
Why go crazy over a comparison of STYLE!!
He didn’t say he was AR or anyone else, he merely said the playing style is similar.
People, writers and talking heads mainly, always go apeshiite whenever the most innocent comparison is made.
It’s annoying
August 13th, 2017 at 1:30 pm
Joe…not even Rolling Rock? Please…you can do better than bitter Bud.
August 13th, 2017 at 2:56 pm
Style yes, arm strength yes, footwork yes, es capability, yes, all like Rodgers.
Accuracy and speed ball comes out, advantage Rogers.
Encouraging to see Jameis has sped up his delivery however. It is improving for certain. Rodgers still gets rid of the ball faster than anybody in the league.
August 13th, 2017 at 10:40 pm
Joe likes Bud Light and every reputable establishment in America stocks it.