Ronde Barber Misses The Mark
July 24th, 2017
Leave it to mainstream media members to turn a simple piece of dough into a Bavarian pretzel.
Such is the 2017 world, where plainspoken commentary is too quickly misunderstood and maliciously twisted into something it’s not.
We all read about how Bucs icon turned FOX-TV analyst Ronde Barber named Gerald McCoy among the non-badass Buccaneers in a weekend Tampa Bay Times story that specifically asked Barber about “badass” Bucs. It’s all here.
Ronde even says the word “badass” twice.
“It’s harder to get those guys now. I don’t know, man,” Barber told Martin Fennelly. “It’s just different how guys approach the game. Money probably has something to do with it. These kids are stars from the outset, whether they’ve done anything or not. It’s hard to find throwbacks, where you go, ‘That guy is a badass.’ Where do you find that now? It’s such a show-off sport.
“Our nice guy on defense was a badass. (Former Bucs linebacker) Hardy Nickerson was the perfect gentleman away from football, but on the field, the guy was scary. How many times did he hurl spittle on someone? When I think of playing angry, I think of Hardware.
“Nobody like that jumps out on today’s Bucs.”
Read that last sentence one more time.
Ronde went on to name Gerald McCoy as a guy who didn’t have the personality to drive a team from his position while stating that Jameis Winston “fits the mold.” So Joe wrote a post about how Barber said McCoy is no badass, which in the real world is exactly what Barber said.
Pretty simple stuff.
Tampa Bay Times writer Rick Stroud even wrote an entire piece Monday morning assuming Tweets of great frustration from McCoy were direct reactions to Barber’s comments.
Fast forward to a new Times story, also on Monday. Stroud caught up to Barber, who claimed his comments were sensationalized. Rather than point to his own story, Stroud linked to the JoeBucsFan.com headline, “Gerald McCoy Is No Badass, Says Ronde Barber,” and hinted that Barber didn’t like it.
“That anyone would assume I would say the best player on the defense isn’t a bad dude is irresponsible and sensationalizing a quote to serve their own means,” Barber said.
First, let Joe state that Barber is brilliant, an author and a scholar who knows exactly what comes out of his mouth. He knows exactly how impactful his words are when he’s talking Bucs.
But Barber’s comments absolutely were not sensationalized here — they were sensational the minute they came out of his mouth.
Franchise icons rarely call out current players from their former teams negatively in any way shape or form. So it certainly was a big deal when Barber said publicly that McCoy wasn’t a winning/badass personality who could lead a team like Warren Sapp or John Randle.
Shame on Ronde for backpedaling.
July 24th, 2017 at 11:17 pm
Give me a break, Joe. You were one of the first to put this garbage up on a pedestal. And now you want to back track it ? Pathetic. You might want to re-read what’s actually written here. –Joe
July 24th, 2017 at 11:23 pm
I’m with you on this Joe. Ronde said it and needs to either own it or retract it. But don’t try to spin it. It is what it is, and hopefully it feeds Gerald’s fire.
July 24th, 2017 at 11:24 pm
Joe, I know you guys choose your words carefully. You always have and one reason your site is number one with a bullet. Appreciate it. Still remember you’re one of the few commenters who were there in Year 1 of this place. –Joe
July 24th, 2017 at 11:27 pm
Ronde said what he meant, refreshing to see that nowadays. Media pressure made him back pedal.
Best case from this is McCoy answers the call.
July 24th, 2017 at 11:27 pm
Feels like a Hard Knocks story line in the making
July 24th, 2017 at 11:32 pm
If GMC gets run out of town like Doug WIlliams was, I, and thousands of other Bucs fans like me, are going to hold this site – as well as the plethora of clueless idiots that went along with it – responsible.
July 24th, 2017 at 11:34 pm
Read in its entirety he is referring to the lack of bad assess in the league overall, not just Gerald or any particular buc.
Which is true but partially because the NFL wants it that way. The targeting rules and calling personal fouls etc.
He was saying guys in general are softer with the big contracts.
A bit overblown, but Ronde did say what he said. Properly reported here in context. I just interpret it a bit different than Joe(s).
Good to get a polished legal assessment. 🙂 Don’t be a stranger. –Joe
July 24th, 2017 at 11:38 pm
Disappointed in Ronde here. He could retract his statement or own it. Tertium non datur. There is no third option. You don’t get to pretend you didn’t say what you said. I love Ronde Barber. Probably my favorite Buccabeer of all time. Just disappointed he isn’t being real in one of these two takes. Likely the second once he considered the impact of the statement.
July 24th, 2017 at 11:57 pm
His exact words were that a DT needs to have a huge personality to drive a team….sooo maybe you’re missing the mark?
July 24th, 2017 at 11:58 pm
Why? Joe has constantly defended GMC. Why go after someone that has defended GMC time and again. Makes no sense. “This site” was not the one that invented a story last year that GMC and Jameis had a feud.
That’s like saying your lawyer got you off the hook on charges and you therefore want him disbarred.
July 25th, 2017 at 12:06 am
I love Gerald (McCoy), but…
July 25th, 2017 at 12:07 am
i’m with ronde!! shame on you joes!
July 25th, 2017 at 12:17 am
Joe….everything ronde said is true….i don’t know what it is about GMC that has you so in awe about him that makes you cringe when some one gives a negative opinion on him…but truth be told…mccoy is overpaid …overrated and it makes me happy to see the truth finally come to light by a past icon like barber …that he is no badass hes just an average DT that shows up when he wants to and when the game is on the line gets hurt so that in case of a loss no one can pin it directly on him…and I k ow this post will have you put me in the cooler because of your fascination with McCoy but honestly I can care less ….dont be so butt hurt over the truth about mccoy
July 25th, 2017 at 12:21 am
He doesn’t need to be a leader just give him some Edge help and he will be what everyone wants him to be 10 + sack guy.tampaaaa
July 25th, 2017 at 12:23 am
Ronde simply said the Bucs do not have any guys who jump out at you as angry, hardnose football players. Then he went on to say that defensive tackle is a tough position to inspire passion from, a harmless claim. He mentions McCoy’s name in the same paragraph (even prefacing the sentance by literally saying “I love Gerald McCoy”) and Joe immediately drops the words “dissed” and frames what Ronde said as a direct attack on Gerald McCoy. You might want to go back and read exactly what he said. –Joe
You have to see how this is the exact definition of sensationalism, see:
Sensationalism “(especially in journalism) the use of exciting or shocking stories or language at the expense of accuracy, in order to provoke public interest or excitement.”
Correct. Talking to the Tampa Bay Times to throw shade at McCoy on the eve of training camp was pure sensationalism by Barber, a seasoned, reasoned and savvy member of the media. Again, franchise icons rarely take public swipes at current players, and if they do, it’s typically intended to shock and excite for a targeted purpose.–Joe
July 25th, 2017 at 12:24 am
This is Gerald McCoy breakout season I guarantee 1o + sacks,why Ayers and Spence. And I thinknk somebody will step up that we’re really not talking about yet movie this guy with the last name Jones I think he might have got hurt though
July 25th, 2017 at 12:52 am
Really? Again, at worst, GMC is the third-best defensive tackle in the game (we can all agree Aaron Donald is the best defensive tackle in a 43 defense). GMC is the sixth-highest paid defensive tackle.
Please detail how that is “overpaid?”
(FYI, the Bucs are some $22 million over the cap.)
July 25th, 2017 at 1:12 am
Aww…..Joe is big enough to get negative press. Congrats man!
The ‘come up’ is over.
July 25th, 2017 at 1:18 am
This is what I love about Joebucsfan.com! You get a few guys on here challenging Joe’s takes, and the actual Joe’s are quick to pour cold water on their opinions. (Or in this case, room temperature water at best) Still I love it… also Doug Martin will start
July 25th, 2017 at 1:27 am
If McCoy, as Joe claims, is the 3rd best DT in the game, then what good does it really do to pay one defensive tackle a bunch of money?
McCoy, Donald, Suh, Atkins….what have the teams employing these players ever won? Jack sh!t is the answer.
This is why some of us are saying lose the dead weight and spend the money on positions that help you win games.
July 25th, 2017 at 1:29 am
Joe prefers his bourbon on the rocks. 🙂
July 25th, 2017 at 1:57 am
gotbbucs is spot on. Being a top performer in an insignificant role is worth what? Insignificance. I get my insignificance for less than 90M dollars, just saying.
July 25th, 2017 at 2:14 am
“Again, franchise icons rarely take public swipes at current players, and if they do, it’s typically intended to shock and excite for a targeted purpose.–Joe”
Would you rather relay on this concept? It’s the same thing I’ve said for years…..NFL “types” don’t criticize each other, but that’s never stopped you from quoting them. Fascinating.
July 25th, 2017 at 4:49 am
Ronde got caught up in the moment. Put a microphone in someones face a bunch and eventually something will come out they regret. He has to be cool with the media and players now, tough spot. Im a big McCoy fan, curious to see how he plays pissed off tho. For all you people who think he should play like Sapp, well theres 31 other teams out there looking for that guy too. Anyone who saw Sapp play every week knows he was special. Go Bucs
July 25th, 2017 at 6:08 am
It’s football not MMA, he does not have to be a “badass” to be a great player just because some used to be. Hell Ronde never scared anyone and he was a good player. Brooks does not scare anybody and he was a great LB, Rice is a fun dude who is not a badass but was a damn good DE… The entire premise of Ronde’s story and those who jumped all over it is silly if you think one of our best players who makes the Pro Bowl every year and is one of the top 3 at his position in the NFL can’t be a great player because he does not play with some kind of nasty streak ala hurling spit on opposing players. Im glad today’s players are professional enough to realize it is a sport where the objective is to win, not hurt or beat anyone up.
July 25th, 2017 at 7:00 am
CHRIST!!! Let It GO!!!! Looks like Joe wants to try and make One Buc Place look like Trump’s White House where everyone is talking about the other guy. McCoy should’ve known better than to react to what Barber said, and the media (like JBF) did their best to sensationalize for internet clicks. If McCoy is the man I’ve always believed him to be he’ll STFU and let his play do his talking for him….or he can whine his way off the team, while JBF and other outlets cover every whimper as Breaking News.’
Ever notice that, unlike other outlets, Joe covers ever nugget of news/opinion with the same presentation of the product? You know, to avoid sensationalizing things? Joe could/would handle delivery and choice of content far differently if Joe were simply chasing clicks, as you inaccurately claim. Again, Joe’s not going to ignore what these big Bucs names are saying publicly. –Joe
July 25th, 2017 at 7:02 am
When i read the first article I even thought wow, the joes are twisting the words to meet their narrative. Not surprised by the outcome from this. I love gmc, I wish he knew some fans want him around.
July 25th, 2017 at 7:04 am
Mission accomplished. I clicked every ad here.
July 25th, 2017 at 7:46 am
You can’t fix stupid, and there is so much stupidity with some of these comments. We even now have morons claiming a 3 technique isn’t a significant position, lol. I can’t deal with people that don’t belong in a football conversation.
July 25th, 2017 at 7:58 am
Sounds like GMC and Joe both called out Ronde on his remarks……Ronde doesn’t want to be held accountable for his own statements…..Ronde was definitely out of line to criticize a current Buc player……guess he’s trying to be a media big shot….backfiring on him.
July 25th, 2017 at 8:11 am
Spot on Edgar.
July 25th, 2017 at 8:11 am
This is beginning to remind me of the ‘Seinfeld Show’ … a long-playing TV series about absolutely nothing. GMC is who he is … big deal. He’s an excellent player who for years has been the defensive focal point of a mediocre team. Being the focal point can be awesome … or it can really suck. Hate to admit this, but Tom Jones wrote an decent article about GMC in today’s Tampa Bay Times entitled ‘Puzzling pattern of woe-is-me tantrums detracts from a good guy, strong player’. Title pretty much encapsulates main point of his article.
This whole thing still comes down to folks using different interpretations of ‘badass’. Thanks to what you reported above Joe, Ronde’s definition is quite clear. He pointed to Hardy Nickerson as being a ‘badass’, and I couldn’t agree more (one of my favorite NFL players of all time). As Ronde is quoted as saying “When I think of playing angry, I think of Hardware (Hardy). Nobody like that jumps out on today’s Bucs.” Pretty clear from that how Ronde defines ‘badass’. And I agree with him … nobody like that jumps out as being like that on today’s Bucs. Well, except maybe Ayers, but certainly not GMC. Different team, different times, different world. Big deal, time to move on. Hurry up training camp.
July 25th, 2017 at 8:42 am
Nobody going to confuse McCoy with John Randle that’s for sure. Personality or play.
July 25th, 2017 at 8:54 am
F*uck Rhonda…Bye Rhonda!!! You Turncoat!!
July 25th, 2017 at 8:59 am
“Joe wrote a post about how Barber said McCoy is no badass, which in the real world is exactly what Barber said. Pretty simple stuff.”
Um – except he didn’t say that. Joe published a sensationalized headline – singling out McCoy as not being a badass according to Barber – but he didn’t say that.
Ronde was talking in general about the lack of badasses in the NFL today. Then he talked specifically about what a badass Nickerson was and added “Nobody like that jumps out on today’s Bucs.” So Barber was talking in general about the lack of badasses – both on the Bucs and around the league. He did NOT single out McCoy. Fennelly did not single out McCoy Joe did that!
For your previous article headline to have been accurate, Barber would have needed to have been directly quoted as saying “McCoy is no badass” and he did not say that. So therefore your headline – “Gerald McCoy Is No Badass, Says Ronde Barber” was click bait. A sensationalized headline implying a direct quote which was never uttered. Pretty simple stuff. Own it!
Joe can’t counter you guys who live in the world of make-believe.–Joe
July 25th, 2017 at 9:01 am
As I stated yesterday, this is such a silly conversation. This guy has done nothing but produce. That a DT doesn’t have a “signature play” is so irrelevant. Especially when you consider who he’s compared to and the TEAM that the other guy played on.
Our fans are puzzling. It’s probably why Ronde waffling on his statements now. Who would expect fans to rail against the only decent defensive lineman this team has drafted in the last decade?
OK, GMC is not a “badass”. He’s still a starting DT on my favorite football team so, GO Gerald, and GO BUCS!
July 25th, 2017 at 9:23 am
This isn’t the first time Joe has used a TMZ style headline. And it won’t be the last. I remember Gmc took Joe to the woodshed last year. I am willing to bet it was over one of the dumbarse headlines like the one that caused a stir here. It’s easy to tell that these guys never actually played the game at a level high enough to understand real football talk amongst real football guys. In no way did Barber ever “diss” GMC as Joe put it. “Diss” is short for “disrespect”, and Barber in no way disrespected GMC. End of story. The headline was irresponsible and reeking of “hey look at me”. Please don’t be petty and block me for my opinion.
This take is so off the mark it’s funny. Read what Anthony Becht said about Barber’s comments. Look at McCoy’s reaction. Please. And Joe’s headline wasn’t TMZ style. And as long as we’re on that subject; what is actually wrong with a TMZ style headlne. Lastly, GMC didn’t take Joe to any woodshed. If you look in the archives here, you’ll see GMC gave Joe an exclusive interview at the Pro Bowl with meaty stuff about his teammates. –Joe
July 25th, 2017 at 9:24 am
Ronde is one of my favorite bucs players ever,but he also would not fit into the badass category.Some players inspire themselves by playing angry and others don’t,simple as that.I also don’t think Ronde was knocking GMC’s play,just that he is a player that goes about his business without displaying anger.
That said that goes out every week and plays D-Line in the NFL gets my respect.
Also thiink his peers are the only ones qualified to fairly judge his play.
July 25th, 2017 at 9:26 am
Lol at “Ronde misses the mark” – Nice “retraction” Joes.
There’s no retraction here.–Joe
July 25th, 2017 at 9:41 am
I don’t think Rhonde waffled at all!!!! I do think this is a case of the middle men messing up the message!!!! And I don’t know if that Joe’s Headline of ” Rhonde says GMC93 is not a badazz” was as accurate as that he ” insinuate”.
Where the reader had to put 2 and 2 together!!!! But we are splitting less than a hair here!!!!!!! And I bet It was more of the middle man telling GMC and Rhonde that “oh, did you hear so and so said this”!!!!!!!!!
But for the record a “real” badazz would have said ” I will show you a badazz”!!!!!!!!!!!
Go Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 25th, 2017 at 9:42 am
Pickgrin is 100% accurate.
By Joes standards (in the instance), Joe could have literally picked any player on the Bucs and said ‘Ronde Barber says ______ is no Bada$$’
Correct, but Ronde mentioned McCoy specifically in a negative light.–Joe
July 25th, 2017 at 9:43 am
(Ahem) 🙁
July 25th, 2017 at 9:51 am
I still see many are clueless of what a bad ass is. Again go read the piece by martin finnely where he interviewed sapp. Sapp makes it very simple for you clueless posters and yes barber falls in the catagory of bad ass. Bad ass means having that dawg in you when you touch the field. Its not all about being scary clueless ones. Thats why deion sanders is on his bad ass list. Its about making many plays when the game is on the line something we know mccoy rarely does because you posters only can come up with 2 in gmc 8 years. Stop trying to bash ronde. He is right. And joe you are 100% wrong. Ronde or any former player of any team can critique current players. What are you talking about? Im suprised you are confused that barber would retaliate. Many posters told you that you were reaching with that piece yesterday. You seem to reach on a few articles from time to time in my opinion whether you tried to or not. Someone was bound to respond sooner or later.
Joe never wrote that ex-players shouldn’t critique each other. Why make stuff up? Of course it would be great if they did it more. The more the better. Candid is fun and educational. The point is players don’t do it very often, which is why Barber’s comments were noteworthy and sensational. Joe never wrote about being “confused,” either. –Joe
July 25th, 2017 at 9:55 am
Rode played with Sapp, Lynch, Rice and Brooks so GMC can be mad all he wants as long as he shows it on the field. You look at where all those guys sit now after their careers and what they did on the field well GMC can’t hold their jock strap yet so McCoy if you want to make your case your a badass I’m guessing the time to do that is on the field not Twitter.
July 25th, 2017 at 9:57 am
Must say Joe that this is one of the neatest threads I’ve read on JBF in a long time. Some great comments (OK, oftentimes humorous = great to me). And as Bucsfanman says, “This is such a silly conversation.” Poor Ronde (didn’t want to fall into the Realist spelling trap and get a Frowny Face Joe) … I bet he never does another interview with any Bucs writers. If I was a conspiracy-theorist I’d think this was all made for TV (OK, Hard Knocks).
It’s “Rhealist,” BTW. –Joe
July 25th, 2017 at 10:01 am
this is BS…a bunch of “he say she say” with some ones feelings getting hurt….as much as I like rick, I think that was a bi!ch move….the whole way it went down was like a bunch of bi!ches talking sh!t about each other….
I thought this is the time to be excited and thinking positive not trying to create a distraction and gossip….
that “badass” story was BS and shouldn’t have been posted yesterday….don’t see how it was football news related or informative…more like an opinion….
rick should’ve never went back to ronde and said “hey look what ive found”…
ronde should man up to what he said….don’t back down be a man….
with all that said I agree with ronde….we only have a hand full of “badass” players on the team…jameis, ayers, kwon, m.evans, marpet….that’s about it for me….GO BUCS!!!!
July 25th, 2017 at 10:01 am
Ronde should know more than anyone on this site about gmc. He played w him. So I have to roll w Ronde. Make sense. Gmc is millenial generation type guy
July 25th, 2017 at 10:10 am
Here’s the real takeaway from that Ronde interview –
“Winning. You’ve got to win. You’re not badass if you don’t win.”
Pretty much echos what coach K said just before becoming HC:
“The only thing people give a sh!t about is winning,”
July 25th, 2017 at 10:22 am
Exactly what Pickgrin said.
July 25th, 2017 at 10:30 am
I will say this about GMC: He needs to have much thicker skin. His accomplishments and talent speak for themselves, despite the opinions to the contrary.
In essence, all he did was stir up the pot. Had he simply said, “So what Ronde! Say it to my face!” we wouldn’t be talking about it. Actually, he didn’t need to address it at all IMO because his stats speak for themselves. But, unlike some posters here, GMC happens to be human and has feelings.
It’s a shame that we can’t just be geeked about the upcoming season. No, instead it’s the usual BS about a few players who fell from grace for the limited few fans.
July 25th, 2017 at 10:59 am
Ronde was clearly the least physical player on that Bucs defense. He was the absolute opposite of a badass. He was still a great player!!!
I remember countless times when Ronde would blitz a larger QB and struggle to get him on the ground. But he DID eventually get the sack and that’s what counts. Ronde NEVER lit up anybody…
I guess if it takes one to know one Ronde should just refrain from discussing badasses. Again if John Lynch or Warren Sapp…or DB 55 said it…I would pay closer attention.
@Joe
Keep up the great work. I always laugh when I read the posts about you and their hurt fee fees. The more they whine the more I realize you’ve just hit another home run. I do not always agree with you just as you don’t always agree with me but I always RESPECT your opinions.
July 25th, 2017 at 11:02 am
Thanks man. To be bluntly honest, Joe doesn’t give a damn what folks think of him; never did, so long as folks don’t claim Joe is making crap up or misrepresenting him. Of course, people can go over the top with personal insults.
July 25th, 2017 at 11:21 am
‘It’s Rhealist, BTW.’ – Joe
This is great stuff right here.
Classic!!!
Please everyone make that stick…
July 25th, 2017 at 11:26 am
St pete
You are 100% wrong if you think ronde was the least physical. Monte said himself he played the nickle because he was like a linebacker how he took on blocks in order to get the tackle. Your narative you are trying to push aint happening. And i told your clueless butt that badass is not just physicality. Let me know when deion sanders was physical. Yes he was a bad ass. Learn what it means before you spout who isnt a bad ass
July 25th, 2017 at 11:32 am
Barber should stop throwing people under the bus who are working for this team and for its fans, and apologize publicly.
July 25th, 2017 at 11:48 am
@Webster
My bad. Perhaps Joe should have posted “Webster the poster’s” definition of badasss.
You can have your own definitions doesn’t make them correct. Let’s look online and see the definition…
a tough, uncompromising, or intimidating person.
I do not care what ANYBODY says…I have two eyeballs…Ronde Barber NEVER intimadated anybody.
And if you can be honest and read the remarks posted here you would grasp that’s what most posters who diss GMC are talking about. They are disappointed that GMC is not INTIMIDATING.
July 25th, 2017 at 11:49 am
‘It’s Rhealist, BTW.’ – Joe
This is great stuff right here.
Classic!!!
Please everyone make that stick…
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Archives will show that I hold the original copyright for “Rhealist”
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! – LOL
July 25th, 2017 at 11:51 am
BTW Webster
You are 100% wrong if you think ronde was the least physical.
Which players on that defense have you identified as being less physical than Ronde.
Again I always gave him props for courage because he was a little guy…but intimidating and lighting people up…nah.
Again….check out some Mel Blount video if you want to see what an intimidating cornerback looks like.
July 25th, 2017 at 11:55 am
I love Ronde, but in this case if I were McCoy or anyone else on our defense, I’d tell him to blow it out his ass.
Btw:
Joe prefers his bourbon on the rocks.
Me too man, me too.
July 25th, 2017 at 12:08 pm
@ joe
Ron and jp are ripping your article saying how misleading it was. They finished out the entire barber quote and yes, they too say you twisted barber’s words. Like i said, in my opinion you reach at times whether intended or not.
Not a regular Ron & JP listener. Sorry to hear they might have got it wrong.–Joe
July 25th, 2017 at 12:17 pm
Thespiritof1976 Says
“Give me a break, Joe. You were one of the first to put this garbage up on a pedestal. And now you want to back track it ? Pathetic.”
“If GMC gets run out of town like Doug WIlliams was, I, and thousands of other Bucs fans like me, are going to hold this site – as well as the plethora of clueless idiots that went along with it – responsible.”
You really are the king of stupid today. Well, at least you can say you are good at something.
July 25th, 2017 at 12:22 pm
stpetebucsfan Says
“Ronde was clearly the least physical player on that Bucs defense. He was the absolute opposite of a badass.”
Sorry, buddy, but I have to disagree with that statement.
Everyone struggles at times when it comes to tackling, even Sapp did. But Ronde was physical more than not.
As to intimidating? He had 28 sacks on top of 47 interceptions, and he had over 1,000 tackles…along with a bunch of forced fumbles.
Trust me…teams were intimidated by him.
July 25th, 2017 at 12:39 pm
Joe you just lost a bunch of long-time readers with this sensationalizing. “Gerald McCoy Is No Badass Says Ronde Barber” is completely sensationalizing. Those words never happened and you know it. This only leads to problems Joe. Shame on you. Also, it’s hard to take you seriously when you are incapable of criticizing Licht or Winston.
Feel free to re-read what’s written here. And go back and read the story under that headline. Joe doesn’t write in fear of losing readers. That would be disingenuous. Joe probably loses readers daily — and thankfully gains even more. Joe has criticized Licht many times, as well as Jameis. In fact, here’s a link to Licht’s grade for Jason Licht earlier this year. It’s a B+, not an A. https://www.joebucsfan.com/2017/01/joe-grades-general-manager-jason-licht-2016/ You must not be a regular reader. –Joe
July 25th, 2017 at 12:41 pm
Ronde Averages (keeping in mind that he really didn’t produce until his 4th year, so 2000-2012):
(Per year)
Combined Tackles: 77.3
Sacks 2012-2002: 1.9 (with as many as 5)
Passes Defended: 10.7
Interceptions: 3.6
Touchdowns: 0.6
Forced Fumbles: 1
In comparison, Revis has (per year):
Combined Tackles: 48.3
Sacks 2012-2002: 0.2
Passes Defended: 13.7
Interceptions: 2.9
Touchdowns: 0.3
Forced Fumbles: 0.6
(per year)
Ronde outclasses Revis in all stats except passes defended. Are people intimidated by Revis? I would say yes.
July 25th, 2017 at 2:10 pm
Bonzai
Feel free to disagree that’s what sports blogs are for….but I still maintain my position. I suspect a huge part of this debate is that we all do not agree on what a “badassss” constitutes…or even what intimidation means.
Ronde NEVER lit anybody up…he never intimidated physically with his presence…he may have intimidated QB’s or OC’s into throwing away from him…but a receiver running free over the middle…an RB breaking through the DL never gave a second thought about Ronde….now John Lynch is a totally different story….PHYSICALLY…in terms of fear of major pain….Lynch was our intimidator in the secondary.
Again so as to not be misconstrued…I admire Ronde…he was a GREAT player but this is in the context of GMC…who has been repeatedly denigrated because SOME here think he’s not mean enough…bad enough…intimidating enough.
But just like Ronde he’s put up good numbers which could become great if he can manage to play as long as Ronde.
I see two very similar players who obviously play different positions…Ronde great…GMC very good…neither known for being savage hitters.
July 25th, 2017 at 2:51 pm
This one is all on the joeys, popping too much viagra and they can’t think straight! Shame on you for that garbage, misleading headline!
YOu attributed a quote to Barber that he never said. =dishonesty And you can’t own up to it!! Sounds like a tweeter in chief that I know.
You really should re-read what was written, starting with Martin Fennelly’s piece in the Tampa Bay Times, or perhaps go study journalism somewhere. Funny how nobody asked Joe to take down the story, and nobody demanded a correction. You don’t think Barber has Ira Kaufman’s phone number? BTW, Ira, a pillar of ethics, is just fine with what Joe wrote. –Joe
July 25th, 2017 at 5:30 pm
My 2 cents:
Your headline was sensationalized.
The contents of your articles were accurate and not sensationalized.
Reading the quote from Ronde, seems he was talking more about the vocal attitude / leadership for the leader of a defense, rather than who was a bad ass. But the subjects were definitely related and intertwined.
July 25th, 2017 at 5:31 pm
woops didn’t mean to curse, just quoting the quotes yall
July 25th, 2017 at 6:01 pm
@ st pete
The critique i see of gmc is not him not being imtimidating but him not making enough plays, being a leader, and raising the play of those around him. I see some call him soft and ice cream, but that comes with the territory if you are not making money plays, being a leader and raising talent. If he did that, gmc could buy all the ice cream and smile and no one would ever call him soft. Just because you are itimidating does not make you a bad ass or a good player hence why i say again you do not know what it means.