Riot At JoeBucsFan.com World Headquarters
April 28th, 2017
As many of you read below, Joe penned a beautifully written story with very sound logic about how it’s possible and reasonable that Cameron Brate could become trade bait today for a second-round pick.
Well, that has sparked a riot at JoeBucsFan.com world headquarters. The other Joe in the house is throwing beer cans and would personally burn all photos of Jason Licht if that happened.
This Bucs team is in no position to dump pass catchers who have chemistry with America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston. Brate has had that chemistry since 2015, and he’s on the rise and valuable.
Hell, one could make a great case the Bucs should extend Brate’s contract through 2019 right now! (He’s an unrestricted free agent in 2018, when he’d be sure to command a roughly $3.5 million, first-round tender). Harvard man Brate would be smart enough to do the math and figure out he’d be wise to take a guaranteed raise now from the $690K he’ll earn this year.
If the Bucs want an extra second-round pick tonight, an early second-rounder, Joe would sooner see the Bucs cough up their first-rounder next year.
Next year’s first-round pick won’t catch a touchdown pass this year, or run for 1,000 yards, or stuff Christian McCaffery or Adrian Peterson at the line of scrimmage. Or hit Matt Ryan in the mouth.
The Bucs are totally in win-now mode. And they might has well kick that up a notch.
April 28th, 2017 at 8:53 am
Would love to see an article highlighting what players are available and we should be targeting round 2 and 3.
April 28th, 2017 at 8:55 am
No way in heck would we trade Cameron Brate. No need, we all heard our Gm speak on this matter last night.
Having 2 Tight ends with skill sets like Cam and O.J. allows you to dictacte what you can do in the run and pass game.
April 28th, 2017 at 8:56 am
At least one Joe is a rational thinker… c’mon, tell us which one wrote that idiotic article.
April 28th, 2017 at 8:57 am
Nothing to see here
April 28th, 2017 at 8:58 am
Put your name on it Joe! Who was the crazy Joe who doesn’t understand 2 TE sets and havin flexibility within your offense? My bet is on Lee as he’s probably sleep deprived from dreaming of Cook
April 28th, 2017 at 8:59 am
Trade Pill Popping Martin !!!!
April 28th, 2017 at 9:01 am
Can we consider this a contraction of that idiotic article?
April 28th, 2017 at 9:01 am
You want to be like the Pats. Here you go two big bad TEs. Brates going nowhere!
April 28th, 2017 at 9:02 am
Sober Joe…not my place…but I think you need to tighten the rules regarding drinking within an hour of writing an article, for the other Joe.
April 28th, 2017 at 9:03 am
Lee is the odd man BuccoDav. lol
We still love’ya Lee.
The 2nd round will start soon.
GO JBF!!!!
April 28th, 2017 at 9:03 am
This would be blasphemy. Why in the H – E – double hockey sticks would you trade the top TD machine as far as TEs go? There better be one hell of a stud receiver they plan on drafting if they do this, which I don’t think there are any such prospects left on the board. What, is he planning on picking up a punter with the extra second round pick? We see how that panned out last year. Keep Brate and draft sensibly like you did in 2015, Licht. No more wild hairs.
And Joe, how dare you play with our emotions like this. I’m sure you have better things to write about on here.
April 28th, 2017 at 9:06 am
Trading Brate is a ridiculous suggestion.
It will never happen.
With all due respect, the Joes seem to be out of touch with reality once in awhile..
Did u guys even hear Licht taking about how we need 2 TE’s for our offense to truly open up?
Brate is effective in the passing game, but he’s not an Alpha-1 TE (or whatever Licht called it)…
We needed the guy who can do everything. (According to Licht’s comments a couple months ago)
Brate will still help out in the passing game, but he’s now our #2 TE. The one-dimensional guy
April 28th, 2017 at 9:06 am
And you should have beer cans thrown at you for even thinking this let alone speaking it aloud. Go other Joe and set this one straight.
April 28th, 2017 at 9:06 am
Rappaport just tweeted the reason we’re NOT taking Cook is Doug Martin has been the most impressive player this offseason. C’mon, man. All the Bucs have been doing at One Buc is conditioning drills. –Joe
April 28th, 2017 at 9:06 am
Brate = F TE
Howard = Y TE
Does Joe not get that or something?
April 28th, 2017 at 9:06 am
Trade our 2018 first rounder for a second?????
I am so glad neither Joe is the Bucs GM!
Want to move back into the 2nd? Trade this years and next years 3rd rounders, and a 7th this year. That is more than fair.
April 28th, 2017 at 9:07 am
Or package Martin and Stocker.
April 28th, 2017 at 9:08 am
I think the Joe that wrote the Brate article is on point. If you can get an additional 2nd round pick, I take that all day! Brate’s production this year will be a fraction of what it was last year. Brate is the most valuable he will ever be right now. His numbers next year will NOT warrant any more trade value than it does right now. Get a stud RB and WR/DE in the 2nd. I would try to trade Drug Martin for a 4th round pick and package two 4th round picks to get an additional 3rd round pick. In the 3rd round pick up Leggett and a Safety. If you don’t want to spend a 3rd on a COMPLIMENTARY TE, wait until round 6 or 7 and draft Pharaoh Brown (TE) out of Oregon. Those moves would give you two 2nd rd picks and two 3rd rd. picks that could make an impact immediately! I don’t see how that is so crazy!
April 28th, 2017 at 9:09 am
Such an article was published at 5:01 a.m.
April 28th, 2017 at 9:10 am
Don’t we still have some cap space….what is this talk about giving up future #1 draft picks?
April 28th, 2017 at 9:11 am
@Lord Corn
Lee doesn’t get it, hasn’t for months, probably won’t believe until he see’s how dynamic, versatile and explosive O.J. can be within this offense.
April 28th, 2017 at 9:11 am
Nate nice thinking but the bucs have a offensice juggernaut in the making with the lineup and i am not sold on the OL, and the bucs need an RB, but grab the RB and get caleb brantley and marcus maye or baker if possible and watch out…..a day 2 of caleb brantley, joe mixon and a safety that can step in and play day 1 would be perfect
April 28th, 2017 at 9:11 am
Nate.. are you still drinking too? A fourth for Doug Martin? What next…we give a 7th for Glennon?
April 28th, 2017 at 9:13 am
Fans Love Cam Brate, Jameis loves Cam Brate, Dirk loves Cam Brate, And Jason Licht loves Cam Brate.
He isn’t going anywhere.
April 28th, 2017 at 9:13 am
If we don’t take a Safety in round 2, then we have downgraded at the position this off season. McDougald was equal to a 2nd rounder in his development. As it is, taking one in the 2nd might only be a lateral move.
Me MUST go safety. Running back can wait until round 3. There are more options.
April 28th, 2017 at 9:15 am
Trade Alstott!!!
April 28th, 2017 at 9:15 am
Impressive at what, running in a sandbox????
Bucs didn’t draft Cook because they valued OJ Howard so much more in a deep RB class. Has nothing to do with Doug Martin doing foot drills in a T-shirt and shorts.
April 28th, 2017 at 9:15 am
Here is something that keeps getting left out in Brate discussions.
He is still just a baby in career terms. He’s still finding his way and adding to his game. His MAJOR problem right now is he is skinny minny. We know he’s been trying to pack on some lbs…I suspect he’s probably also worked with TE gurus on blocking technique to see if he can help his weakness improving there.
Bottom line…what if Brate comes back with 15 additional pounds and improved blocking technique. Not suggesting he’ll be as good as OJ who is a physical freak…but he could be less than OJ who I think will be great…and still be a very very good TE and when you think of him as perhaps the 4th choice in passing plays….he’ll be OPEN.
How is a DC going to cover and allow for DJAX’s speed…ME13’s skill set…and then a TE like OJ who can outrun all the defenders except CB’s….is that not frightening…and now…oh btw here is the guy with all those TD’s lurking somewhere in this formation. Miss matches…miss matches…I LOVE it!!!
April 28th, 2017 at 9:16 am
Buc Bonzai that’s a horrible idea. If we are win now why would you trade this years 2nd and 3rd rd pick? They’re 1st rd talents available now, so essentially its trading 1st rd picks next year for this year. I’d rather them do that
April 28th, 2017 at 9:17 am
I don’t see how Brate is going anywhere with the chemistry JW already has with him. As much as people hate the Patriots they know how to use the 2 TE set and I believe that is what Licht is trying to help Koetter get to. So what if Brate is not much of a blocker. Looks like he did pretty good in production last year having the second most receiving yards and was right up there with ME in TD production. Lay off the pipe Joe!
April 28th, 2017 at 9:19 am
No trading next year’s first round picks. Gives me nightmares of Booker Reese.
April 28th, 2017 at 9:20 am
^ I wouldn’t be so sure Joe. You’re pretty cold this offseason when it comes to reading the Tea leaves.
They Undoubtedly had O.J. rated higher, because anyone with half a brain cell could see he’s a better prospect than Cook.
That doesn’t mean that Doug Martin isn’t back in peak physical condition, just like he was in the 2015 offseason.
Say what you will about Doug Martin, but If there’s one thing he’s shown, it’s that he can be one heck of a running back when he has something to play for.
… Assuming he has a clean bill of health that is.
April 28th, 2017 at 9:23 am
Alstott now has school coaching experience, so I’d imagine we could get a second for him…. and can you imagine what we could get for Lynch? He also now has GM experience…two firsts? And how about the Rock Star Dom? Nevermind.
April 28th, 2017 at 9:25 am
@Mark2001… actually, getting a 7th rd. pick for Glennon would have been more than what they did get for him so I don’t get your point. They got nothing for him and Chicago went and drafted his successor before he’s even taken a snap for them. I’m not saying they SHOULD trade Brate, I’m saying I understand the argument to make such a move. Everyone on here is freaking out like Brate is untouchale when he’s gonna have half the production this year that he had last year. I don’t get the hysteria.
April 28th, 2017 at 9:28 am
Doug’s issue has never been his physical condition. Dude is a gym rat. It’s the Josh Freeman factor. What the hell is going on between the ears! I’m not surprised he looks good in underwear football drills. who cares if the dude can’t get his mind right.
April 28th, 2017 at 9:29 am
All these “trade” scenarios are silly.
First drug Martin, now brate. Smh they make no sense, illogical.
April 28th, 2017 at 9:29 am
nate…I was talking about Licht trading with Chicago for Glennon, now that he has only become a bargaining chip place holder for Chicago . I was joking about us trading for Glennon, which is as great a possibility as us trading Martin for a forth rounder right now.
April 28th, 2017 at 9:31 am
lurker…too bad we don’t have the Rock Star under contract…know the rules have changed after the Gruden deal, but look at what we gave for Gruden, and he was “only” a coach. Can you imagine what a Rock Star might be worth? Five 1st round picks?
April 28th, 2017 at 9:32 am
Did you say trade GMC?
Now that makes much more sense.
April 28th, 2017 at 9:32 am
Jacko101 Says
“Buc Bonzai that’s a horrible idea. If we are win now why would you trade this years 2nd and 3rd rd pick?”
We would be upgrading the 2nd to an earlier pick. Not giving it up.
April 28th, 2017 at 9:34 am
Bill Belicheat moves players around all the time. releases them, trades them for players and draft picks… and he’s a genius. You suggest trading Brate and Martin and everyone acts like your trading Tony Gonzalez and Barry Sanders … a lot of you guys are terrified of “bold” moves.
April 28th, 2017 at 9:34 am
Blake, its kind of funny your telling Joe he is off on reading the tea leaves but then you jump on the Drug Martin bandwagon. Druggie is unreliable and we need a RB bigly (in my best Alec Baldwin trump immatation). I can promise you there will not be any 1000K season coming from DM.
April 28th, 2017 at 9:35 am
Joe that previous article made me feel like Chris Parnell in Anchor Man when Ron Burgandy told San Francisco to go F themselves……you Poop mouth how could you….lol
April 28th, 2017 at 9:35 am
nate_tweetz, Bill has the advantage of having a fully developed team in place. Getting rid of 1-2 of them is an easy fix for him.
We’re getting there, but we ain’t there yet.
April 28th, 2017 at 9:38 am
The point about Martin is the most you would get for him would be a conditional pick next year….assuming he is off the stuff, performs, and doesn’t get suspended…if there is a next time, it is 10 games I believe. No one in their right mind would give a forth this year.
April 28th, 2017 at 9:38 am
Yeah with needs at DE, CB, S, and WR, I was hoping AP would be still around in the event we SNAGGED howard. I love Godwin, but we honestly lucked out last year with VHIII and Grimes playing every game last year. Feel like you almost have to go defense the next couple picks.
There was a report last year that Doug, even when playing, wasn’t close to 100% recovered from his hammy; so maybe he still has gas in the tank. If so, I think you have to consider rolling with him. Maybe get a Taylor Gabriel-esque receiver in the later rounds
April 28th, 2017 at 9:41 am
Jacko101 ….I don’t want them trading shyte. I want to let the draft come to them and stay put.
Joe…hell to the no like everyone else has been saying about Brate. I get it though and it might be tempting to make that trade but I’m not comfortable with unloading Brate for the unknown in OJ. Sure he might look like a stud and I’m just as excited as every one else, but still we don’t know yet.
Plus the 2 TE sets everyone keeps talking about are quite intriguing. Is that worth giving up Brate? Idk…give me some names. I wanted Cook too. Is it worth it to me to trade Brate to move up to the top of the 2nd to get Cook? I’s have to say no. Let Cook come to them at 50.
April 28th, 2017 at 9:43 am
And Nate…what about the contract? Would any team trade for him and honor the 8 mil. dollar contract? And if you negate it, he isn’t under any contract and would be a FA, wouldn’t he?
April 28th, 2017 at 9:45 am
Dreambig Says
“Druggie is unreliable and we need a RB bigly (in my best Alec Baldwin trump immatation). I can promise you there will not be any 1000K season coming from DM.”
While I agree with you on needing a RB, I think you are misjudging Doug. Here’s why:
There are essentially four knocks on him. First, obviously, is the drug issue. But it was a first time offense and he went to rehab, so it could never happen again.
Second, his health is a huge knock on him, and a very valid one. And thirdly, his sometimes lack of production even when healthy. And finally, his contract.
I think that pretty much covers it, right?
On the surface, you would be right to judge him as you are, and I don’t blame you one bit.
But consider this: What if Mike Alstott were active today and playing on this team as a young HB? How would that change things for Doug Martin?
I’ll tell you how…Martin would suddenly have a WD40-type of situation. He would not be used on 3rd downs as much, and he would get injured less. Alstott would pound the defensive line and wear them down.
But, of course, Alstott cannot play today. However…what if the Bucs got an Alstott-type of player like Samaje Perine or James Conner for 3rd down, short yardage runs?
Boom. Everything changes for Martin (or pretty much all of our RBs; even sims might produce more as a result).
I could see Martin producing under a NEW CONTRACT (or get rid of him).
I’m not saying I am in favor of keeping him…I think it depends on many things. I never wanted to give him his current contract when most around here did want to. However, if the team upgrades certain positions in this draft and afterward, then I can see him remaining.
April 28th, 2017 at 9:45 am
Trust me, I was wrong too, I thought Doug would have been gone by now.
And still think that we will certainly be drafting a Rb today or tommorow.
Just saying that I have seen Doug Martin be a very good running back when healthy and Motivated. Dirk and Jameis both love Druggie as well, so I wouldn’t be so quick to cast him aside.
April 28th, 2017 at 9:47 am
Nice retraction Joe. Well, close to a retraction as we’ll ever see on JBF.
April 28th, 2017 at 9:49 am
And also… No one in the league would EVER give the Bucs a 2nd round pick for Brate. That’s insane!!! This is considered a terrifically deep class at TE. There are still four more TE prospects that some people think are better than anyone who came out last season. Brate MIGHT get a late third at absolute best, but most likely a 4th or later. Just further proof that trading him is lunacy.
April 28th, 2017 at 9:50 am
Here’s a thought what IF we get the good Doug Martin this season? If that happens you might want to save your money for SB tickets.
April 28th, 2017 at 9:51 am
Joes are losing it!!
April 28th, 2017 at 9:54 am
What a waste of thought! Move on.
Let’s discuss something that really will happen such as 2 picks tonight
April 28th, 2017 at 9:56 am
Who ever wrote the article suggesting that Brate should get traded should immediately get kick out of JBFH and sent to SB nation. Only SB is dum enough to print such lunacy.
Early stages of dimentia? What in the world is going on here?!
April 28th, 2017 at 10:04 am
LOL! I nearly choked on the breakfast sandwich I was reading when I read that other article. I hope the other Joe doesn’t become the Tom Jones of JBF headquarters.
April 28th, 2017 at 10:04 am
Brate got hurt last year and then we had no reliable te’s in the passing game.
April 28th, 2017 at 10:05 am
There is two joes for sure
Smart Joe
And Bong Heaving Joe
April 28th, 2017 at 10:06 am
Sorry Joe, that is idiotic.
This is a Team desperate for depth for a decade. The moment they might actually have some you want to trade it away???
April 28th, 2017 at 10:14 am
I’m tired of y’all getting on Martin. Did you see Doug power lifting 225 on the buccaneers.com insider video. He had 30 pounds less then Ali Marpet! No other RB CB LB etc was shown doing that Shhh! Muscle Hamster for real!
Jason Licht said Doug looks the best he has seen him look since he’s been in Tampa.
Kay Adams(The baddest chick on TV) said Doug is looking awesome!
Sac say you joes don’t have no respect for Quizz! Doug & Quizz is our Freeman/Coleman combination. Both of them can take a screen to the house. The run Sims made in week 1 against altanta I still can’t believe how he made 5 NFL players look stupid.
My point with a wall and holes big enough to roll a truck through it them ANYBODY can run the DAM BALL! Get somebody the opponents don’t wanna hit in the 4th quarter. We got speedy,shifty catching one cut dudes. Get a BIG BACK! GET A BUSINESS DECISION RBACK!
April 28th, 2017 at 10:25 am
No way Jason Licht is as ignorant as the fan boys. Licht will not waste a year counting on Martin. He learned his lesson from gambling on a washed up has been vjax last year. Take the drugs out of it Martin sucked 3.5 years out 5 and if he did not have a couple of monster game especially the one against lowly raiders.
April 28th, 2017 at 10:32 am
Mike – absolutely- an article regarding tonight’s bucs’ options would be great
April 28th, 2017 at 10:36 am
I’m not sure which Joe deserves the credit……….it’s not just the ridiculous article about Brate………as a talent evaluator and NFL strategist……..the WORST.
Love the site and respect JBF as entrepreneurs.
April 28th, 2017 at 10:44 am
Precisely. I’ll never understand why some of you guys have strong feelings for Doug Martin. His career numbers show he was average at best. The Bucs can and will do better.
April 28th, 2017 at 10:57 am
I’ll beat the dead horse…Howard hasn’t taken an NFL snap yet, and most starting TE’s seem to usually get hurt at some point during the season. Best case scenario you can terrorize opposing D’s with two TE packages (are they blocking for the run? Are they throwing down the seam?) and worst case you’ve got (assuming Howard lives up to the hype) two starters at a position that sees injury. One more vote to keep Brate.
April 28th, 2017 at 11:10 am
OJ is about to light it up. The Patriots are about to have a flashbacks and seizures when they see these 2 TE sets
April 28th, 2017 at 11:25 am
Get MIXON THE MIDIGATING FACTOR!! HE IS…THAT DAMN GOOD!
April 28th, 2017 at 11:49 am
Joe penned a beautifully written story with very sound logic about how it’s possible and reasonable that Cameron Brate could become trade bait today for a second-round pick.
IGNORANCE IS BLISS
April 28th, 2017 at 12:20 pm
Lol @ Bonzai…”so Doug has 3 knocks, drugs, injuries and lack of production” and he still wants him
April 28th, 2017 at 12:24 pm
Joe Mixon > Obi > Godwin > Brate, Period…!!!
Look, you don’t win Super Bowls being sentimental.
This is the NFL, not FSU.
Bigger, Stronger, Faster……..
April 28th, 2017 at 12:59 pm
Who’s the idiot who thought they might trade Brate? Jeezus Kreiste, how does this stupidity enter someone’s mind? Can one of the Joe’s not stretch his imagination enough to think of the Bucs using 2 pass-catching TEs? Duh… Morons.
April 28th, 2017 at 2:17 pm
Love the article saving face lol
April 28th, 2017 at 2:56 pm
I don’t understand how he thinks we can get a second rounder for brate. No gm would do such a thing. Well I guess if Joe has a gm he would but other than that, we’re not getting a 2nd round pick for brate right now. This is even with the outstanding year he had
April 28th, 2017 at 4:16 pm
Joe as a GM would decimate the team.
April 28th, 2017 at 5:22 pm
I wonder if the head office is now giving out fake leaks to either trade DM, or get DC