Jameis No. 9
April 5th, 2017
High marks.
Joe has a hunch if AC/DC-loving general manager Jason Licht was told the night he selected America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, that Jameis would become a top-ten quarterback before his third year in the NFL, Licht would have leaned back in his leather chair, uncorked a contraband bottle of Boulevard Pale Ale, and blasted “Girls Got Rhythm” loud enough to rattle the windows at One Buc Palace.
And it seems that has come true (not the Boulevard Pale Ale which you can’t find around the Tampa Bay area, damnit!)
Cameron DaSilva of FOX Sports has ranked all NFL quarterbacks and he has Jameis listed as No. 9 in the league.
Winston made great progress in his second season, developing into a much better passer than he was as a rookie. His ceiling is remarkably high, and if he can cut turnovers in Year 3, he’ll rise further on this list.
At the very least, Jameis should have better numbers this year. With the addition of Flash Jackson with Mike Evans, Cam Brate and — can Joe dare to dream, Dalvin Cook? — that would be what Joe calls #WeaponsForWinston.
April 5th, 2017 at 5:48 am
It’s on like light switches and drunk b!tche$! Top 5 by the end of the year!
April 5th, 2017 at 6:40 am
Seems about right. Man you read that list and think, there is some horrible QB play in this league!
April 5th, 2017 at 6:41 am
Hot damn!! That’s higher than even I would have put him. I aint complaining though.
Dude ranked 50 QB’s? That must have been a torturous job after about 15.
April 5th, 2017 at 6:43 am
In the words of Joel Glazer “to put certain thresholds or standards or whatever it is, I don’t like doing that.” !
We don’t know what will happen this year. Look what happen last year ! I know, Joe, tha you like to criticise Bernard Greedy Freddy Martino and so on but we finish 9-7 with these guys !
We lost a game that we should have won 99% of the time (Raiders) went on a 5 wins streak with some impressive on the road and we were very close to go to playoffs, we just needed one more win.
This year, everything seems in place offensively but, hey, shit could happen again and we can loose Mike Evans and DeseanJackson during the first game, or even Jameis who knows ? (I clearly don’t want that to happen!!!).
So let’s OTA arrives, then training camp preseason games and so on !
Take one day after another and we will see where we will be at the end of the season.
As the British would say: “Keep Calm and carry on”.
April 5th, 2017 at 6:56 am
Wow…I cringed while reading that list. Garoppolo and Glennon should be higher than they are. The back half of that list is brutal.
April 5th, 2017 at 6:59 am
Osweiler ranked ahead of Savage?
That’s just weird.
April 5th, 2017 at 7:36 am
I think Lovie would disagree, McClown should be higher that Glennon…. lol
April 5th, 2017 at 8:29 am
Ugh mentioning Lovie is like mentioning a girl who gave you genital warts
Good for Jameis to get that recognition
April 5th, 2017 at 8:39 am
As much as I love Jameis, I disagree with this ranking. I think he’ll be #9 by the end of this season but at this point I’d put him at like #13.
No doubt he’ll be top 10 for a while but if I’m being realistic, he was not #9 the latter half of the season last year.
April 5th, 2017 at 8:57 am
Bucs are very lucky we drafted Jameis.
If he stays healthy I expect multiple Super Bowls during his career.
I still remember that idiot Ron Jaworski making up his sources and saying that they told him the Bucs were drafting Marcus Mariotta 1st.
April 5th, 2017 at 9:18 am
Gets you real excited. Some talking media head made up his own ranking. Means absolutely nothing. Let everyone in sports make up one and it will be different.
April 5th, 2017 at 9:28 am
Looking at the list it’s laughable the Bucs lost to Case Keenum, #49 on this list
The combo of Paxton Lynch #32/Simian #26 and Carson Palmer. Hopefully this d doesn’t suck for half a season again
April 5th, 2017 at 9:35 am
@Eric
Show us your top 12. Not being rude just interested.
April 5th, 2017 at 9:36 am
“I still remember that idiot Ron Jaworski making up his sources and saying that they told him the Bucs were drafting Marcus Mariotta 1st.”
Wausa…I’ll never forget a lot of it all. Especially the non stop from morning to night battles I endured on JBF during it all. It was mentally exhausting, yet fun.
April 5th, 2017 at 9:44 am
Tampa Tony Says:
April 5th, 2017 at 8:29 am
Ugh mentioning Lovie is like mentioning a girl who gave you genital warts
Good for Jameis to get that recognition
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Although you maintained character by throwing out negative comments about Lovie (acceptable) and our Defense (harsh considering it was a new system) – you actually made a positive comment about Jameis and just left it at that….
Wow – I’m proud of you bro. #babysteps
April 5th, 2017 at 9:52 am
87, U were Winston’s champion on here like NoSBoS is for Dalvin now… Hopefully, it works out similarly (if we draft Dalvin).
April 5th, 2017 at 10:01 am
Can’t really argue much with the rankings on this list. And it just goes to show you how QB starved this league is. As of now – there are about 20 guys in the entire world who can play this position in the NFL at a reasonably high level or better. And at least 2 in the top 5 will be retiring within the next couple of years.
We still don’t truly understand yet how fortunate this franchise is to have Jameis Winston to rely on for the next 12-15 years assuming he stays healthy.
“His ceiling is remarkably high” – Indeed. I remember thinking that very same thing watching Winston destroy Pitt by going 25 of 27 for 4 TDs and a rushing TD in his very 1st College game 3 1/2 years ago. He’s done nothing but consistently prove my initial assessment as correct ever since.
April 5th, 2017 at 10:06 am
It ain’t draining to me at all. I get off on the s@$!..
April 5th, 2017 at 10:10 am
You can argue all day about where Jameis ranks. I look at it like this: If you could trade Jameis for any QB in the NFL, how many would you choose? I don’t know if I would choose any, due to the fact that Jameis is so young and will only get better.
April 5th, 2017 at 10:10 am
All you guys wanna hear something funny. Bucs haven’t had any type of meeting with Dalvin Cook. Chris Godwin has had three including a visit to Tampa, pro day meeting, and private campus workout. He’s a Weapon for Jameis I’m excited about.
April 5th, 2017 at 10:15 am
QB needy Nfl teams will give 3 1st round picks right now for Jaboo….in a heartbeat
April 5th, 2017 at 10:16 am
Let me just clarify I am a stronger advocate for this team and players than most people on this site. Just being realistic. However, my top 12 is:
Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Ben Roethlisberger, Matt Ryan, Russell Wilson, Phillip Rivers, Derek Carr, Andrew Luck, Matt Stafford, Carson Palmer, and Cam Newton.
Now I will see how some are going to questions Cam cuz he had a bad season in 2016 but he still was the MVP and has a bunch of records so his career is better thus far. Let’s not act like Jameis didn’t have a bad half of the season either.
By season’s end I will have him in top 10 though. At least I’m hoping.
April 5th, 2017 at 10:17 am
hey tampa tony EAT IT—instead you twist it into bucs losing to keenum in which this case is the most irrelevant comment ive ever heard….just shows how little you actually know…first ever to throw 4000 in 2 seasons to start his career. not luck not matt ryan not mariota but Winston…in a run heavy offense year one…so stop hating,,,yes his inaccuracies on deep throws are there but hes also money in mid level window throws…anyone who disagrees is lost
April 5th, 2017 at 10:22 am
broy you’re right but we are not comparing him to their first two years. We are comparing him to them NOW.
However if he excels at this rate, he could be the GOAT.
April 5th, 2017 at 11:26 am
Speaking of Cam, he has Bradford and Cousins ranked higher than Cam. I’m about as big of a Cam hater as they come and even I can admit he’s better than that. Panther fans probably blowing gaskets over this list. That guy is gonna have to block a LOT of Panther fans on his twitter!!
April 5th, 2017 at 11:28 am
Hell part of the reason i hate him so much is because he’s so good!! If he was worse than Bradford I could care less about him!!
April 5th, 2017 at 11:47 am
Russell Wilson #5 .. WHAT A JOKE … Dangeruss is more like #12-14 range.
Derek Carr should also NOT be ranked higher than Jameis … look at Carr’s HORRID QBR his first 2 years in the league … Jameis’ rookie QBR was way higher than either of Carr’s first two years and Carr has a ton of offensive weapons around him and a dominant offensive line!
Brady/Rodgers/Brees are the ONLY QB’s that are undoubtedly “better” than Jameis right now, that’s it.
Guys like Luck, Roethlisberger, Stafford are in his class when healthy.
As far as I see it, Jameis is as high as #4 RIGHT NOW and as low as maybe #10-11.
However if I’m starting an expansion team from scratch, I’m taking Jameis with the #1 overall pick ahead of every other player in the NFL at any position!
April 5th, 2017 at 11:47 am
Same thing I said when people had mancrushes on Trent Richardson… NOOO!!!! This is a deep RB class and there are RBs that will be just as good in the NFL. Much like Richardson, Cook is not a special talent… he is not worth a mid round 1st round pick. He just isn’t. There are so many better weapons on either side of the ball to consider and then be able to draft a comparable RB much later on.
April 5th, 2017 at 12:11 pm
You’re losing it NFL nut. Jamies at #4 is hysterical. I love the dude and I agree I wouldn’t anyone else more than him but Carr is better no doubt. It’s not about in correlation to every qbs first 2 years cuz in that case he is the best in history or debatable with luck. This is rankings as of now. Wilson is better, I mean the guy won a superbowl and went to another. Consistently in playoffs. Ryan is better. Rivers. Even Cam and I hate more than anything admitting that. Ben and Stafford are better overall. Carson Palmer is better right now. You’re tripping. You won’t find someone more supportive than jameis then me too. I went to the draft party in tampa from nc just to see his name read. But you’re tripping.
April 5th, 2017 at 12:28 pm
“Russell Wilson #5 .. WHAT A JOKE … Dangeruss is more like #12-14 range.”
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Anything you write is irrelevant after stupid comments like this. There’s a 100% chance you are wearing a pocket square at this very moment.
April 5th, 2017 at 1:39 pm
Hmmm….Boulevard distributes plenty of beer to our area…I’d be surprised if their pale ale not one of them.
April 5th, 2017 at 3:10 pm
Brian:
Tried. No dice. If you can find Boulevard Pale Ale in the Tampa Bay area, Joe has a cash reward waiting for you. Seriously!
(Not winter pale ale or wheat pale ale. The original.)
April 5th, 2017 at 3:13 pm
LOL
April 5th, 2017 at 3:14 pm
Thanks Lovie for drafting Jamis, Mike Evans, Hump, ASJ, Brate, Kwonzilla, RG/LT and a host of other role players that are making a significant contribution to the current Koetter/Smith roster. That”s quite a nucleus to build around.
There is only 1-NFL Ready RB. That”s Joe Mixon. The rest are just college flash with no long term NFL future potential. RB’s and WR’s with extreme speed and an EXTREME history of EXTREME INJURIES shouldn’t even be considered by anyone paying attention to the attrition rate of those positions.
FTBS, Mixon, Miami’s TE and the best SS available are enough hope for this draft.
I’m not brooding over the draft because the names at the top are “fragile” and will not be able to make a significant contribution even if they can avoid extensive “TUB TIME” in their first NFL season.
If Joe Mixon is available ANYWHERE during the draft after the first round and we don’t draft him…..OH, BROTHER. If either Carolina, Atlanta or NOLA draft him AFTER we had a chance to do so….Booooooo..!!
April 5th, 2017 at 3:34 pm
We’re not drafting mixon bro.
April 5th, 2017 at 4:37 pm
Hawaiin Buc … I stand by my statement on Russell Wilson … I have never been impressed with him and don’t think he is as good as Brady/Rodgers/Brees/Ben/Jameis/Luck/Stafford/Cam … I may be missing some players but if not that would mean I’d have him, at the highest, at #9 … and he certainly didn’t have the year Carr or Ryan had last year so if those two guys are ahead of him that would drop him to #11.
It’s nice he has a ring and all … but there are a bunch of QB’s who could have won at least 1 ring playing on that loaded Seahawks team for the past 5 years …. Russ just doesn’t impress me.
April 5th, 2017 at 4:51 pm
“Eric” said the following:
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You’re losing it NFL nut. Jamies at #4 is hysterical. I love the dude and I agree I wouldn’t anyone else more than him but Carr is better no doubt. It’s not about in correlation to every qbs first 2 years cuz in that case he is the best in history or debatable with luck. This is rankings as of now. Wilson is better, I mean the guy won a superbowl and went to another. Consistently in playoffs. Ryan is better. Rivers. Even Cam and I hate more than anything admitting that. Ben and Stafford are better overall. Carson Palmer is better right now. You’re tripping. You won’t find someone more supportive than jameis then me too. I went to the draft party in tampa from nc just to see his name read. But you’re tripping.
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You can’t play both sides of the coain “Eric”. You can’t say that Carr is better “right now” simply because he put up better stats last year but not the previous 2 years and then also claim that Cam is better “right now” even though he put up far worse numbers last year but happened to be better 2 years ago … that is not honest debating and is frankly just entirely absurd reasoning.
You said the following guys are better right now than Jameis:
Carson Palmer: Excuse me while I puke … Palmer is junk compared to Jameis, period.
Cam Newton: Jameis was a better passing QB as a 19 year old redshirt freshman QB at FSU than Cam will ever be, even when he’s 32 years old and inhis prime imho … Cam will probably ALWAYS be the “better athlete” but Jameis is definitely the better QB and last year backed that up which is what you said you were going by in your comment.
Derek Carr: Carr is NOT “better” than Jameis and his first two years horrible QBR proved that … he simply has a dominant offensive line and a ton of offensive weapons … you swap their teams last year and Jameis gets to the AFC title game with that Raiders squad while the Bucs with Carr maybe win 7 games.
Matt Ryan: Give me a break. Jameis is 3-1 against Ryan head-2-head despite having a far inferior supporting cast. Just 2 years ago Falcons fans wanted Ryan traded … you are too “influenced by the moment” to see clearly. Nick Foles had one of the greatest QB seasons in NFL history and within 2 years he was a forgotten nobody … Matt Ryan has all-world offensive weapons around him … he is NOT “better” than Jameis.
Philip Rivers: Please tell me you’re joking ….
Matt Stafford: Stafford can sling it and I have always said he and Jameis are in the same tier of QB so I wouldn’t really argue with you on Stafford other than to say I don’t think either player is necessarily “better” than the other at this stage of their careers …
Big Ben: I have always said Jameis reminds me of Big Ben and I have said since last year they are in the same tier and I stand by that …. Big Ben at his best is better “right now” than Jameis do to his experience factor … however Big Ben is almost NEVER at his “best” as he’s always banged up and is very streaky as a QB … he also has ALL-WORLD offensive weapons around him and honestly I do not think he is “better” right now than Jameis, at least not over 1 game which is all that matters.
Again, I stand by my statement that Jameis is in the 2nd tier of QB’s and behind Brady/Rodgers/Brees … that doesn’t mean he will be “better” than all other non-Brady/Rodgers/Brees QB’s ever week … it simply means there is not a single QB in the entire NFL outside the “Big 3” that I would absolutely say is “better” over a 16 game season than Jameis and certainly not Palmer, Ryan, Carr or Wilson … Stafford is a maybe and Big Ben if healthy is a maybe but they are also in the 2nd tier so that makes sense.
YOUR THOUGHTS?
April 5th, 2017 at 4:51 pm
Our division has 3 QB’s in the top 10 according to this guy, and the 4th is a former mvp in his prime…. I can’t tell you how happy I am to have Mike Smith right about now lol
April 5th, 2017 at 8:23 pm
@NFLnut,
I really shouldn’t even try to explain this to you, but what the hell. First of all, it’s funny how you say Wilson had a great defense, but fail to recognize he’s had one of the worst pass protecting OL’s every single year. He averages over 500 yards rushing per season, even with only having 250 yards last season (because he was playing on one leg). Oh yeah, he’s also thrown for over 4000 yards the last 2 seasons. He has a very pedestrian WR group, even though Baldwin has emerged as a good WR the last year or two. Baldwin is good, but no one is confusing him with Jerry Rice.
Look here, you don’t get to the Super Bowl twice and the playoffs every single year by being an average QB. This isn’t the 1970s. You are not discussed as an MVP candidate if you are just a regular QB. At one point he was like 12-0 against Brady, Rodgers, and Manning. You really think that’s all because of his defense? LMAO. Stop looking at stats, stop judging a guy by the one or two times you’ve ever seen him play, and stop hating on a guy because you want to appear to have some amazing football knowledge that the rest of the world doesn’t have. It’s a ridiculous notion, very much like those that say GMC isn’t a good player because he doesn’t have a lot of tackles or you can’t name 10 plays where he has scored on a 4th quarter sack fumble returned 99 yards for a TD to win the Super Bowl. You’re wrong, don’t bother trying to argue against it, because EVERYONE with half a brain (including those who are paid to do this) disagrees with you.
April 5th, 2017 at 8:32 pm
There isn’t a bigger fan of Jameis than me. That being said, as of right now, he’s not better than Carr. Carr was a MVP candidate. Carr has a year more worth of experience, so it’s entirely possible that Jameis will catch up to him as early as next year. But as of right now, Carr is better.
Jameis is better than Palmer.
Cam Newton is better than Jameis as of now. He’s won a MVP, he’s been to a Super Bowl. There’s really nothing else to be said. Jameis has been to 1 Pro bowl as an alternate, Cam is pretty much always a Pro Bowler. Jameis is a better passer, and I would definitely rather have him than Cam, but Cam is much better as of right now. Not even close.
Matt Ryan is better. It’s laughable to argue that. Did you not watch last season?
I think Jameis is better than Rivers and Stafford, but it’s very close. Close goes to the younger player in my book.
Big Ben has won 2 Super Bowls. Not even mentioning our QB in the same sentence. He hasn’t earned that yet.
When it’s all said and done, Jameis can and hopefully will be better than all these QB’s. But you can only judge him off what he’s done so far, and he isn’t what those guys are. If you want to predict where he’s going to end up, then that’s a different story, but that’s not what the poll is about. I guarantee you Jameis wouldn’t put himself over any of these guys, because he knows he hasn’t earned it yet on the field. Don’t crown him before he deserves to be crowned. It sounds really ignorant to throw out the accomplishments of all the other QB’s, just because you really want ours to be better. We all hope, and most of us think he will be better than those guys, but he’s not yet.
April 5th, 2017 at 10:30 pm
Eric … you’re arguing from both sides of the coin again.
You want to say Matt Ryan and Carr are “better” because of what they did last year but not 2 years ago, yet want to say Cam is better because even though he was far inferior to Jameis last year he was “better” two years ago. You’re being nonsensical and hypocritical.
I never said Jameis has “accomplished more” than Cam as he hasn’t … Cam has had 6 years in the league and won his MVP and NFC Title in his 5th … Jameis has had 2 years in the league … of course he hasn’t accomplished as much but that has nothing to do with who is “better” right now. David Johnson hasn’t accomplished anywhere near as much as Adrian Peterson has but everyone knows that right now he is “better” than AP.
As for Carr, we will have to agree to disagree … to me Carr is a product of the weapons around him and not much more. He had better weapons his first two years than Jameis had his first two and Jameis’ QBR blows Carr’s away through those two years … last year Carr was playing behind a dominant offensive line and with great offensive weapons and had a great year … that doesn’t mean he’s “better” than Jameis unless you also want to say that Dak Prescott is “better” than Drew Brees as he had a higher QBR … but he also had an all-world offensive line and great weapons around him.
As for Matt Ryan … you’re nuts … Matt did not just get way better in a couple months … he got Alex Mack, a healthy Julio Jones, Sanu and dynamite play from TWO RB’s while Jameis go beat up behind his line and was handing off to dudes off the street.
You just don’t seem to understand that there are TEN other guys that contribute to a QB’s success … Matt Ryan is the same dude from 2015 that Falcons fans wanted to trade … but he now has mad weapons surrounding him and rarely gets touched in the pocket.
As for Big Ben … again you’re looking at his total resume when you said this whole debate was about “right now” … your own head is spinning and you can’t figure out which side to argue so you’re playing both sides … silly.
I stand by the fact that the ONLY NFL QB’s that can definitely be said to be “better” right now are the “Big 3” and no one else … lots of other QB’s have accomplished more … but that has nothing to do with the here and now …
April 6th, 2017 at 9:35 am
NFLNUT
Your credit was gone when you said Jameis was better than Ryan, Carr and Cam but you lost it even more when you addressed Hawaiian’s response as me. LOL Check again man, we’re two different people. I mean the name is literally right there but you attributed everything he said as my rebuttal. SMH WOW
Anyways… your logic is ridiculous. You keep saying things like Ryan was only better cuz he has Mack and Julio. Or Carr was only better cuz…. lol That logic is FLAWED!! The fact is those players were and are better PERIOD. Ryan just went to the superbowl with one of the best QB performances in recent memory and you’re suggesting Jameis is better. I am dumbfounded.
Jameis had a better year one to Carr’s year one, but Carr was better in year two than Jameis in year two and is better now. This isn’t a debate. The league would laugh at you hysterically if you tried to stand by that point. LOL You keep comparing their first years and that’s irrelevant to now. You also said Carr’s year two qbr was horrible, well he still had better overall stats than Jameis’s year two and I think that’s common sense. Carr was better than Jameis in year two dude. LOL wow
You keep putting way to much merit into QBR lol. If you’re going by strictly that than you may have a point but that’s as irrational as some of the points you made. I had to laugh out loud when you said that Jameis is 3-1 vs Ryan and that’s why he is better. LOL you really think that? Do you know how hypocritically ignorant you sound when you say that Ryan had one good year this year but sucked before and attempt to call me out on my analysis of who is good now? You discredit cam cuz he sucked last year but then discredit Ryan cuz last year was a fluke. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Next, Rivers is better than Jamies. This isn’t a joke and where the heck are you getting ANYTHING to support your claim on that? Let me use your logic now, Rivers had crazy amount of injuries and still put up beast numbers. Please explain to me how 4090 yards 28 tds 18 ints is better than 4386 yards 33 tds 21 ints LOL. Not to mention with 0 receivers and a terrible o line vs kc, Denver, and Oakland two times a year. Hawaiian I’m not sure why you disagree.
Seems like we pretty much agree on Stafford although I think Rivers is overall better. It also seems like we can debate on Big Ben but I think it’s obvious he is better at this point. Even if you redundantly want to over consider his weapons like you do. Fact is he has those weapons and just cuz he does, doesn’t support that he’s not as good of a QB.
As far as Cam and Carson, well I get the carson debate but if you look at it logically it’s debatable and considering carson was deep into the playoffs in 2015 with elite numbers than I would give him the nod. But that’s my opinion and I respect anyone who disagrees. As far as cam, well I realize he had a terrible season with massive injuries and I’ll give that one to you about the “who is better NOW debate” but he is a year removed from the super bowl and MVP. Yes you’re right I conflicted with my opinions in the debate by saying he was better when he had such a bad season, so I will let that one go either way…
I don’t think you understand that even if there is TEN other guys on the team, you simply cannot manipulate their success. I mean that’s ridiculous. That’s like saying if Jameis had Brady’s team he would have been better.
I just want to clarify again that I am a huge huge huge Winston supporter. That is my favorite qb in the league and I would not trade him for ANYONE. But you’re wrong. Hawaiian even called you out. There are so many holes in your logic this took to much time to explain common sense in the NFL to you. Jameis will be top 10 by season’s end in my book, but to say he’s better than some of the QBs listed has really made me laugh so thanks!
April 6th, 2017 at 12:23 pm
Perfect 2017 Draft:
1) Miami TE or OJ Howard
2) BPA – SS
3) Joe Mixon – Best RB in the draft
4) BPA – OL
5) etc, etc, etc
April 6th, 2017 at 2:14 pm
Eric and Hawiian … you both have exercised your freedom to be sincerely, yet sincerely wrong … good day gentleman 🙂
April 6th, 2017 at 3:19 pm
You have certainly expressed your freedom to show zero football awareness. Insinuating Jameis Winston is already better than Matt Ryan is evidence of that.
Good day 🙂