Former Bucs Suit Down On Mixon
April 12th, 2017
Harsh words from former Bucs executive.
At best, before factoring in his heinous off-field misdeeds, Oklahoma running back Joe Mixon is a fifth-round draft pick.
That’s the analysis from former Bucs pro player personnel director and Bears general manager Jerry Angelo.
Angelo believes Mixon played out of position in college. And Angelo wouldn’t even think of drafting him before the fifth round and that is before considering how Mixon went Thomas Hearns on an innocent woman.
(Before some of you primates chime in, that young woman did nothing to justify having her face rearranged by Mixon requiring her to have facial reconstructive surgery. There isn’t a judge or a lawyer in America that would defend such a heinous act as self-defense. What next, you are allowed to take a baseball bat to someone because they broke wind next to you in an eatery?)
Angelo, who had a big hand in building the Super Bowl champion Bucs, was asked in question-and-answer piece on GarySheltonSports.com, was asked about Mixon’s draft value and didn’t hold back.
Probably [rounds] 5-7 and for no other reason [than] based on what I saw on the football field. He’s a player without a defined position. He’s not a natural runner. He’s a big receiver playing running back. I don’t like his game-day toughness. Obviously, I’m not a big fan. Again, this has nothing to do with other than what I saw him do on the field.
Harsh!
Joe has seen folks speculate that Mixon would be a late draft pick based on his woman-slugging. But based solely on his play on the field? That is a very big surprise.
Joe is going to mentally file this away. If Angelo is correct, then Bucs AC/DC-loving general manager Jason Licht needs to bring Angelo back into the Bucs’ fold.
April 12th, 2017 at 6:17 am
Agreed! Nothing special here and certainly nothing to justify dealing with the baggage. I know the Bucs brought him in for a meeting but I suspect it’s a possibility on day 3. They also brought in Joe Williams from Utah which would lead me to believe they are looking at RB targets on day 3.
April 12th, 2017 at 6:21 am
WOW! Things people say saw in hopes that a person isn’t drafted. Isn’t Angelo the Chicago GM that made the dumb trade with the Bucs for Gaines Adams? Great trade, which that pick later turned into Rob Gronkowski! Great eye for talent there. Joe Mixon is first round talent and if we don’t get Dalvin Cook I hope we can get a steal in Mixon in round two. Let the hate for Mixon go Joe. I want Cook too, but if we can’t get him Mixon is a great fit for us. He made a mistake as we all have.
April 12th, 2017 at 6:38 am
Off work today. Re watching Orange Bowl. ,,, and MAN!! Is Dalvin Cook a Dynamic threat or what!? Needs to be a Buc! Enough said.
April 12th, 2017 at 6:45 am
Draft Samjae Perine. He’ll be there in 2nd pr 3rd round. We are very lucky because there is so much talented RB in this draft
April 12th, 2017 at 7:00 am
Jerry Angelo – putting the “moron” in “former pro player personnel director”
Justin is right; don’t pay attention to reports a few weeks out from the draft, they’re full of nonsense.
April 12th, 2017 at 7:11 am
Stupid comparison. Baseball bat because someone broke wind or someone committed assault.
April 12th, 2017 at 7:21 am
1st off, the broad was not an innocent woman, I don’t care what you say. The end result may not have been fully justified, but one unjustified act doesn’t make the other party innocent.
2nd off, the guy is an idiot. If mixon is a 5-7 round talent, then this draft better be the deepest in the history of the NFL. Angelo is clearly an idiot, and to claim his view is strictly based off football is more idiotic. The fact that he keeps repeating that his view is strictly based off what he saw on the field proves that his view has nothing to do with what he saw on the field. I don’t necessarily want Mixon on the team. If we draft him, fine. I couldn’t careless what these do off the field. I don’t get into personal lives of famous people. I have my own. As long as he shows up on Sunday in top shape ready to play, that’s all I care about.
April 12th, 2017 at 7:32 am
Why is it that you can’t see that this young “white woman” was not innocent in this altercation, there may not be a “White Judge or Lawyers” that would defend such a heinous act but I’m sure I could find some “Fair Minded Black Judges and Lawyers” that would defend his actions if only because everyone deserves a lawyer in court, trust me I know! But anyway Angelo is blowing smoke up your a$$!!
April 12th, 2017 at 7:34 am
@Joe
I think that his assessment goes “beyond the field of play”!!!! Wasn’t he the guy who admitted to being part of organization that covered up hundreds of domestic abuse?????? (google jerry angelo for reference)!!!!!!
Maybe Joe, instead of trying to crowbar mark dominik and now jerry angelo back into a NFL jobs, maybe you should push for them to go to an elected offices!!!!! They already have a mountain of cover-ups!!!!!!!!
April 12th, 2017 at 7:36 am
Im sure there will be some dumb GM that drafts this coward. I just hope it’s not Licht.
April 12th, 2017 at 7:43 am
Give it up already Joe, we get it you hate Joe Mixon! Now I really hope the Bucs draft him just to watch you have to write about how great he is on the football field!!! Nothing would make me happier than watching Mixon become the best Bucs RB we have ever had, joining JW as the best Bucs QB, and ME as the best Bucs WR, and start reading all the JBF articles about how great Mixon is carrying that Lombardi trophy 3-5 times the next 10 years…..CANT WAIT!!!!
April 12th, 2017 at 7:44 am
I am white and they don’t want to see it. They see past the part where she even put her hands around his throat and tried to choke him.
April 12th, 2017 at 7:46 am
To be honest watching this guy o don’t think he had the toughness either and i said it in previous posts. Outside of that one stiff arm and goalline play the guy never broke a tackle in his highlighrs, all his runs were wide open gallops to open field. This best back on the draft stuff is crazy. At best he is #3 behind Cook and Fournette cause Mccaffrey is a slot receiver playing rb (Reggie Bush 2.0), Mack is questionable in between the tackles and Perine is Michael Pittman 2.0 as his balance isn’t great but he falls forward when he finishes his runs, which is a good thing. Mixon has explosiveness is quick and has good shiftyness BUT in the NFL you must break tackles consistently and he has not shown he can do that yet so how can he be the best when others have shown that?
April 12th, 2017 at 7:50 am
We’re not primates Joe (well, we are all primates but that’s not what you meant) and no one here has ever condoned what he did which was obviously very wrong. But you’re baiting us when you use the word innocent. And you know it. If Mixon didn’t react the way he did, this woman would not be considered innocent at all. And Angelo’s draft evaluation is quite obviously hot garbage. Pretty much no other prognosticator agrees with him.
April 12th, 2017 at 7:52 am
Note to self, jerry angelo is mentally challenged.
April 12th, 2017 at 7:55 am
Also, when he mentions twice in a very short evaluation that this has nothing to do with anything off the field, it obviously has something to do with things off the field. I mean, really. Also, a big wide receiver playing running back? I just don’t see that at all.
April 12th, 2017 at 7:56 am
Have to admit Mixon and Cook dominate the comments good job Joe
April 12th, 2017 at 7:59 am
Guess Joe hasn’t been watching the Bears the past few years. Nobody should praise nor adhere to anything that front office says or does.
April 12th, 2017 at 8:10 am
So if you don’t agree with Joebucsfan you’re a primate!?Wow how about this Joebucsfan I think you are ignorant for not including the fact that she actually hit him 1st!I don’t condone what Mixon did but those that defend Mixon are primates wow man so disappointed…. Your ignorance is really begging to show who you really are!Then you compare hitting someone back to a person being hit for passing gas…Damn shame….
April 12th, 2017 at 8:11 am
What’s funny is that half the clowns on this site advocating for Mixon wouldn’t know who he was if he hadn’t hit this girl. What makes him better than Joe Williams of Utah or Jamaal Williams of BYU? Racking up numbers in the Big 12 is no great feat and I’ve seen no evidence of him being a great between the tackles power back. He’s a decent talent comparable to other players who will likely be available on day 3. End of story.
April 12th, 2017 at 8:14 am
He’s not even the best running back on his college team. Perine did the dirty work and Mixon just got to run to the outside every time.
April 12th, 2017 at 8:15 am
I prefer we wait until round 3 and take Samaje Perine. He would be our power back. We have our finesse backs inhouse already.
April 12th, 2017 at 8:17 am
Or James Conner.
April 12th, 2017 at 8:18 am
If you don’t like it here go to some other website.
April 12th, 2017 at 8:19 am
Make Mixon a Buc
April 12th, 2017 at 8:22 am
Another hit piece with junior high level journalism. “A baseball bat for breaking wind”…what an incredibly juvenile analogly. Just like referring to your readers as primates if they don’t gobble up what you are throwing down. Nice! Classy!!
Keep running around finding has beens and never was personalities that fit your agenda. Let’s not forget this from your esteemed “expert” { Angleo said that during his years in professional football, he and other executives overlooked “hundreds and hundreds” of instances domestic violence.}
I agree with Guzzie…I hope that Bucs draft Mixon and runs all over the field…crow will taste good, won’t it? Mixon will make waves in this league with his play and he will continue to redeem is his good name.
The Bucs will NOT draft him at 19; at 50, they would seriously have to consider it…but I don’t see Mixon still being on the board at 50…so the majority of this is mute.
April 12th, 2017 at 8:26 am
So anyone who disagrees with you is a primate? Cordial discourse out the window there…my turn haha. Youre self made. I respect that but I hat 60% of your articles. I feel they are very matter of fact with very little actually analysis that any fan couldn’t think of themselves. I don’t think the Bucs should draft him but I also believe he deserves another chance. The only reason you feel the need to be so pompous is because you don’t personally know anyone who has made a mistake in an already exacerbated situation. His yard and dollar ratio will soon exceed yours. Must make your tiny pecker angry. Anyway, your being intellectually lazy as you are on most of your articles. And the different tweets that ultimately lead to the same informational inept articles I complained about before.
April 12th, 2017 at 8:32 am
I agree with pretty much everything NDog already said and to add on to that most of his runs started off to the outside in that zone read offense that they run. He’d cut it up the middle at times but those were times when the defense would overpursue to the outside and give him a cutback lane. The Bucs aren’t a zone read team and never will be with Winston so he’s going to have to lineup in power formations at times and be able to take it up the middle between the tackles and run through tackles at times if he’s going to be successful in the Bucs scheme.
Anyway I doubt all of the Mixon talk is even worth the time because I don’t see Licht taking him at 19 and I’m starting to hear a lot of talk on Cleveland drafting him with their 3rd pick which is the 1st pick in the 2nd rd. so he’ll be long gone before the Bucs get their 2nd rd pick.
April 12th, 2017 at 8:37 am
There is literally no justification for how Mixon handled himself in th3 video. I am terrified at where we are morally as a nation when I scan a multitude of comments supporting his actions. That being said hopefully he can turn his life around, or maybe already has. From what I have heard in interviews though, he just makes excuses for what he did. Doesn’t sound like someone willing to take responsibility for his actions. Not someone I’m pulling for to be a Buccaneer, but if he gets drafted, I am confident in the Buccaneer’s ability to provide support. Maybe some of the leadership will be able to keep that ego in check.
April 12th, 2017 at 8:38 am
Samhe Perine
April 12th, 2017 at 8:40 am
@JabooBucs
Joe Williams is the guy I’ve been mentioning on here for awhile but no one wants to talk about him. He looks like a far better RB than Mixon to me. He’s not as versatile as Mixon but he’s s better runner that I can easily see fitting into the Bucs scheme and he runs thru guys and has that extra gear to take it to the house.
April 12th, 2017 at 8:40 am
Marine & Ed- bravo gentlemen.
Make Mixon a Buc, score lots of points and win meaningful football games
April 12th, 2017 at 8:40 am
I’d rather have D’onta Foreman. We need a power back to pound the rock late in games. Mixon is not better than Martin, so what would be the point in drafting him? Lots of good backs in this draft that are better fits in our offense than Mixon.
April 12th, 2017 at 8:40 am
Personally, I believe the reason why our running game has suffered is because we lack the power to compliment the finesse. Finesse looks pretty, but look back to the WD40 days. It was Mike Alstott that did the damage to teams. They actually feared him.
Dunn only broke 1,000 yards 2 times in the 6 years he played in Tampa. His best year here was 2000, when he ran for 1,133 yards and scored 8 rushing TDs.
In fact in his entire time in Tampa, he only scored 19 rushing TDs and 9 passing TDs. He had 4,986 rushing yards in Tampa in 6 years played here.
In comparison, in those very same years (minus 2008 because Alstott retired in 2006), Mike Alstott scored 37 rushing TDs and 7 passing TDs. He had 3,605 rushing yards in the same years.
Dunn – 1,256 run attempts. (had an extra year)
Alstott – 929 run attempts.
My point is this: Finesse is pretty, but power scores the touchdowns more often on fewer attempts…unless you are talking about Adrian Peterson.
We have not had a power running back since forever. Want an improved running game? Get one. Doesn’t have to be in the first round.
Frankly, Cook in the first and Conner in the 3rd or 4th would get me super excited about our run game.
April 12th, 2017 at 8:46 am
Jerry Angelo… The guy who has drafted only 4 talented players since taking over the GM job in Chicago in 2001. He can keep making the Bears mediocre while Licht makes the Bucs perennial playoff contenders. Personally, I’d rather have a WR/TE in first round and pick up Marlon Mack later in the draft to solve the RB issue, but if Mixon is there in the 2nd or 3rd, Bucs would be foolish to pass on him.
April 12th, 2017 at 8:50 am
The girl shoved the guy, in the chest, but that gave him no right to punch her in the face as hard as he could. He was in zero danger of physical harm. A big tough football player and major college athlete was going to be hurt with that? A shove? Hardly.
Then he high tailed it out of the store like a coward.
Primate is a good name for anyone who thinks that was justified, and I back that opinion up with 30 years of experience as a criminal law attorney.
If you have all the GMs in the NFL the choice of Cook or Mixon, to play running back, everyone would take Cook. That is true even if the above cowardly act had not been committed.
April 12th, 2017 at 8:52 am
I can think of another RB entering the draft without a defined position. I know why this mixon kid wasn’t but I’m wondering why Fournette and McCaffery were absent from GameChangers” lastnight??? Too cool for the little show I suspect,sorts like they were too cool for those bowl games. DC wasn’t.
April 12th, 2017 at 8:52 am
I agree. Most first round running backs don’t spit carries in college. People look for the wrong things in a running back. I don’t care how big and fast you are, its not important
April 12th, 2017 at 8:54 am
007 you need to do waaayy more research homie if you are living your under the assumption we are all primates.
April 12th, 2017 at 9:01 am
Samhe Perine : I didn’t hit anybody.
April 12th, 2017 at 9:05 am
Just say say HELL NO to to the trash known as Joe Mixon.
April 12th, 2017 at 9:06 am
Waterboy – I doubt the Browns use an early pick like that on him. They already have Crowell who is a solid RB. If he had been given a similar number of carries he would have been one of the top rushers with his 4.81 average.
April 12th, 2017 at 9:14 am
Angelo is just trying to make good on the fact that he covered up domestic abuse his entire career. Also if anyone actually valued his thoughts he would be a regular someplace. The taint from his coverups though means nobody will touch him so he thinks if he can get on the bash a kid who hit a woman once train he might get paid again.
April 12th, 2017 at 9:35 am
Hahahahahahahahahahaha!
First we learn the draft is rigged, then we learn all the games are rigged, then we learn the earth is flat, now we learn that evolution is fake.
What will we learn next Nosbos? That you take spend your summers in Atlantis and take winter break in Shambhala?
Bet your favorite TV show is ancient aliens.
@Joe Great minds think alike huh? Freaking LOL!
April 12th, 2017 at 9:35 am
Rounds 5-7? Fake news!!!
April 12th, 2017 at 9:39 am
Nos
I saw the DEs on game changers last night. Thomas and Harris look like the real deal. The others, not so much.
April 12th, 2017 at 9:43 am
Mixon is a stud with the football in his hands , arguably as good or better than the other three but I think you just gotta stay clear.
Tailb 2.0 and it’s a small miracle that he’s not in jail .
April 12th, 2017 at 9:57 am
Honestly don’t even care whether we draft Cook, Mixon, Kamara, McCaffery, Foreman, Hunt, Brian Hill, or Mack, as long as we get one of those guys! Anything is better than watching that garbage running game we had last year!!!! We go into next year relying on Doug, Sims and tiny Quizz, we are doomed….and we better get another decent WR and TE, this draft is deep in RB, WR, and TE no excuse to draft at least one of each
April 12th, 2017 at 10:01 am
NOS, you’re funny. We’re all football fans obviously but you’re encroaching on my world when talking science. It’s what I do for a living. We are absolutely primates (I can’t believe I actually have to explain this). Catarrhine primates to be exact. Anyway, off topic, but how about YOU do some research (the last one is just for you; read carefully)?!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catarrhini
http://humanorigins.si.edu/education/how-do-we-know/how-do-we-know-humans-are-primates
April 12th, 2017 at 10:05 am
Blake, NOS wanted William Hayes here SO bad…
April 12th, 2017 at 10:08 am
The conversation has to happen, and it’s good that it does. But the Bucs would never take Joe Mixon. He could have had an out-of-body redemption experience but he still crossed the line for what is the basic human standard for decency. For folks that don’t want to judge and want to give second chances, sure, okay, but most would still rather the second chance not be here in Tampa. The shear logic of it all doesn’t work. that is, we hear people saying cut Doug Martin becuase he took banned substance and let his team down…despite doing some super work for a couple of years he was here…but then they also think let’s go get Mixon? As if he didn’t let his down and let mankind down? Mixon has crossed to line to a reasonable person. Keep dreaming if you think the Bucs would ever consider drafting Mixon. They can win with other choices, and not have the baggage. Yeah, they brought him in. That doesn’t mean they ever seriously considered him. Move on.
April 12th, 2017 at 10:10 am
I mean, the Bears did just draft Jordan Howard in the 5th round, who was 2nd in the league in rushing last season. Maybe its a compliment lol
April 12th, 2017 at 10:12 am
Oh nevermind. Read the article wrong. Thought he was the current Bears GM lol
April 12th, 2017 at 10:15 am
007 you funny bro. Yo info come’s from Wikipedia. I’ll just leave it dude. If you and Blake feel you are cousin’s to apes so be it bro.
April 12th, 2017 at 10:17 am
If you ever in Orlando tho hit me up. We can meet at the library. You can bring your info I’ll bring mines and we’ll compare and debate homie.
April 12th, 2017 at 10:19 am
After reading some of the comments, I really don’t care who drafts Mixon. What I will say is this, some of you need to watch/re-watch that video and take a long hard look in the mirror. If you honestly believe, regardless of her actions, that what he did was justified then I truly, truly am sorry for you and your family. Considering the course of this nation, nobody should be surprised, I guess. Sad! The BETTER man walks away! Heck, he had no problem doing that after he knocked her out! He was a coward as was anyone who stood around and watched that without intervening that night! Pathetic!!!
He WILL get drafted. He has “paid his dues”. Nobody cares anyway,right?! Just as long as he can play football! SMGDH
April 12th, 2017 at 10:20 am
So some guys say hey, no problem to draft him because yeah, he rearranged her face but she put her hands on him first. Agreed, had he not decked her she’d be the sole villain for potential threat of physical assault by putting her hands around his neck. But also, what did he say to her first? Did he know her? Did she know him? But is it okay to deck a girl you know who puts her hands on your neck in anger? Neither she nor he has any self-control. Neither one of them should be Buc, or on NFL team. How’s that?
April 12th, 2017 at 10:24 am
@Fred- That’s such a great point about Martin. There are so many here that are like, “bye Felicia”. And, as far as I know, the only person he injured was himself.
I’m all for 2nd chances. I’m just petrified at the comments here justifying this POS actions that night.
April 12th, 2017 at 10:26 am
NOS you missed the third non wiki link. Just got you and others who missed science classes.
April 12th, 2017 at 10:27 am
*for you
April 12th, 2017 at 10:31 am
To paraphrase Neil Degrasse Tyson, “The good thing about science is that it’s true whether or not you believe in it.”
April 12th, 2017 at 10:36 am
007, nice drop. Tyson is awesome.
April 12th, 2017 at 10:40 am
The next thing Nole will say is that Dinosaurs never existed.
April 12th, 2017 at 10:43 am
I can visualize Mixon at one of our..Local Strip..opss I mean Gentlemens clubs here in tampa Beating the snot out of some stripper who refuses him. Usually guys with abusive histories don’t change unless they undergo extensive counseling programs. And Mixon has not had this, Has he? I say..pass on the guy unless he drops way way down. He’ll be gone by the end of the 2nd though. probably before that. He is a talent.
April 12th, 2017 at 10:44 am
This.
April 12th, 2017 at 10:49 am
Friggin angelo and lovie 2 stiffs that led the bears to the crap they are today, so not sure angelos opinion and his “talent alone” scouting is way off the mark, basically he is stating if you want to run a losing organization dont draft mixon…but trade away a couple #1s and 2s to get jay cutler
April 12th, 2017 at 11:10 am
So because a site says something that makes it So right??? Let me ask do you believe in unicorns because they’re sites that would support the existence of them as well.
April 12th, 2017 at 11:12 am
See y’all put all your trust in a simple click of your mouse. You trust what you read on the internet. I feel sorry for you.
April 12th, 2017 at 11:13 am
Hit me up if you ever in Orlando. I go by Mike.
April 12th, 2017 at 11:19 am
There isn’t a mountain of physical and gentetic evidence that supports the existence of Unicorns.
April 12th, 2017 at 11:21 am
http://www.nationalenquirer.com
Here you go Nos. I think I found a site more suited to your intellectual capacities.
April 12th, 2017 at 11:35 am
That’s cold Blake, haha. But when you dig a hole… Don’t forget though, if you’re ever in Orlando Mike will school you on the sciences. Starting with flat earthism one would assume…
April 12th, 2017 at 11:42 am
I DO NOT approve ANY man to put his hands on a woman, just the way i was raised! But to say she did nothing is BS! Since when did it become ok for anyone to spit and yell racial slurs at another human being! We ARE Human Beings whether you agree or not!!! And i’ll be damned if i let anyone disrespect me when i struggle, fight, provide, protect, and pay my taxes just like the next man-no matter his color!!!
April 12th, 2017 at 11:45 am
Becky calls a man the N-word before slapping him in the face and spitting on him, Becky gets her face smashed… Just that simple. You don’t want Becky getting her butt kicked tell her keep her racial insults, hands and saliva to herself.
April 12th, 2017 at 11:49 am
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JOE,
Calling that woman who apparently called Mixon a Nig*r, spit on him and was caught on tape physically assaulting him BEFORE he retaliated, “innocent” is the epitome of “FAKE NEWS’ … it is spinning an untrue narrative, telling a lie over and over and over again until everyone just takes it to be a fact.
You’re better than that Joe, right?
Go ahead and blast Mixon, demonize him for his actions, demand the Bucs don’t draft him, etc., etc., etc., but do NOT stoop to lying and fake news by calling the woman “innocent”!
I have daughters and believe you me that if someone did to them what Mixon did to that woman, I’d want to capture and torture him myself, the law be damned … BUT … I also definitely wouldn’t want any of my daughters to watch that video and say to themselves, “wow, dad, that woman was 100% innocent. I mean, I think I should be able to act like she acted and expect only good things to happen.”
Mixon acted like an animal (yo, 007 … if people are animals, what Mixon did isn’t “wrong” it’s just not socially acceptable and if someone can flush a goldfish down a toilet, a person should be able to kill another person … much of “science” is untested, unrepeatable, unscientific, faith-based, nonsense … including macro evolution!) AND the woman acted like a complete and utter idiot. BOTH those things can be true and Mixon can still be criticized and demoninzed … you don’t need to resort to spreading FAKE NEWS to teach truth or even good lessons!
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April 12th, 2017 at 12:01 pm
Still haven’t seen one article citing the heinous acts of Dalvin Cook by Joe. I guess those are excusable though. No big deal, chaining puppies so tight that they are choking, robbery, and bringing a gun to school. Shoot there’s no video so he must be innocent.
Not excusing Mixon or even defending his talent. He messed up big time and what makes it worse is there’s haunting tangible evidence. No video and this is probably not even affecting his draft stock. I got arrested when I was 18 and I am so regretful but I can also say that was a turning point in my life and I couldn’t be a more different person.
With that being said I’d sooner give the kid Mixon a second chance before someone who repeats this behavior over and over.
April 12th, 2017 at 12:03 pm
@NFLNut – So…not sure what that word salad in parentheses in your last paragraph (beginning with ‘yo 007) meant but you were using false equivalences. What does someone flushing a goldfish down the toilet have to do with killing another human? And to answer your question – ‘if someone can flush a goldfish down a toilet, a person should be able to kill another person’ – well, you’re right. People can and do kill other people. All the time. Every day. They also save people. All the time. Every day. Not sure what your point is. Science is absolutely not faith based, religion is. Science depends on rigor and repeatable verification. Science is what allows you to interact in this blog. Not faith. But the fact that you would utter that means that I’m not going to change your mind in a football blog. That said I agree with your premise that Joe shouldn’t use the word innocent with the girl in question.
April 12th, 2017 at 12:08 pm
Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:
April 12th, 2017 at 11:10 am
So because a site says something that makes it So right??? Let me ask do you believe in unicorns because they’re sites that would support the existence of them as well
Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:
April 12th, 2017 at 11:12 am
See y’all put all your trust in a simple click of your mouse. You trust what you read on the internet. I feel sorry for you.
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How is that any different from you believing anything that is in favor of Dalvin Cook going to the Bucs? People state “facts” about Dalvin Cook on here all the time without providing any proof or evidence and you take their word for it because it supports your opinion.
There is no difference.
April 12th, 2017 at 12:12 pm
She’s not that innocent!
April 12th, 2017 at 12:17 pm
Must we have the same “the woman wasnt completely inocent” discussion in every Joe Mixon related article?
April 12th, 2017 at 12:20 pm
007, No, science SHOULD BE testable and repeatable and based on evidence, yet much of it, including macro evolution is not. Much of what passes for “science” is faith-based, unscientific, nonsense.
Science has gone from being relatively credible to being much like a religious cult, where group-think reigns supreme, dissenting opinions are buried and dissenters themselves are ostracized and silenced. In short, much of science has become politicized and as such is now bought and paid for and nothing more than unscientific propaganda.
In regards to my goldfish comment, I’m simply saying that if human beings are merely animals, there is no true “right or wrong”, just societal norms which can change and can be widely different depending on locale. For example, “owning people” could never legitimately be said to be “wrong” in America, as it was once legal and therefore socially acceptable, it can only be said to be “currently” socially unacceptable.
The same sort of thing can be said for thousands of issues, there are countries and cultures where wife-beating, murder, etc., is flat out accepted and encouraged, yet in America those those are illegal, yet if one truly believes the nonsensical faith-based concept of macro evolution, neither position is “right” or “wrong” and both are fine depending on where one lives or what one’s culture is; the whole thing is insanity.
April 12th, 2017 at 12:27 pm
I can agree with some of what you say. But much (not all) of science is settled. For the part that isn’t settled we continue to work on the hard problems. Faith is throwing your hands up in the air and declaring it must be a mystery! Science is getting back to work at the problem. Thanks for following up though. I appreciate it.
April 12th, 2017 at 12:27 pm
@JoeyPoppems
Thank you for pointing out the confirmation bias that occurs on here regularly (Nos being a huge culprit) but I’m afraid it will have no impact.
And yeah this argument is tired. No she was not completely innocent. But his retaliation was still disgusting and abhorrent.
That’s not the issue to me, to me is the fact that he has shown contrition, is still actively seeking counseling, and that he is not a murderer and deserves a shot at redemption.
Despite what this airhead Jerry Angelo thinks, Mixon will be an impact player, and will be drafted early. Whatever team that does draft him will be getting a stud.
Why can’t it be us?
April 12th, 2017 at 12:41 pm
^ My pleasure.
P.S. I’ve never been a big fan of “blind-faith” in religions either. I understand their are both scientific and religious mysteries but I believe all beliefs should be based on facts and evidence if possible … and I know a great many people whose religious beliefs are based on such, while I also know scientists who seem to enjoy their blind-faith …
April 12th, 2017 at 12:49 pm
What a strange turn the comment section of this thread took.
Debating a RB to debating evolution…..wow.
April 12th, 2017 at 12:51 pm
Perine. Enough said. Dudes a machine
April 12th, 2017 at 1:19 pm
Girl. Did. Not. Try to choke him. Some of u r insane. She didn’t do much unless I saw an edited video. Still want him but rather have perine
April 12th, 2017 at 1:25 pm
if that aint a hater, I don’t know what is….draft donte foreman…GO BUCS!!!!
April 12th, 2017 at 1:39 pm
Trade DM22 to Hawks for their 2nd round pick. Grab DC in 1st. 2 picks in the 2nd round. +no more DM22 drama and questions. Win Win . DM22-BUCS=COOK.**BUT** Highly Unlikely anyone wants Dougie NE ways
April 12th, 2017 at 1:43 pm
There is a better chance of evolution being fake than getting a 2nd round pick for Doug Martin lol.
April 12th, 2017 at 1:45 pm
40 seconds in on Police release video her hands are at his going around his neck and that is when she gets it. Was he right? No. But keep your frigging hands to yourself.
No he did not know her.
April 12th, 2017 at 1:45 pm
@Blake
I have no problem with confirmation bias from anybody. We all have it. No need for someone to be a hypocrite about it tho
April 12th, 2017 at 1:54 pm
Another lost Post?
April 12th, 2017 at 2:02 pm
Did he say Doug Martin for a 2nd round pick? You know 2nd round picks in the NBA have separate value than 2nd round picks in the NFL. At this point, you would be more likely to pay a 2nd round pick to trade Martin than get one. Considering he is owed no money, I put either as a 0% chance of happening.
April 12th, 2017 at 2:06 pm
Again: Joe Mixon = Madden 19 Cover
Imagine the press treatment of Mixon had her second assault gouged out one of his eyes? Those who now condemn Mixon for (“excessive”?) self-defense would be singing a different song. And, you all know it..!!
Reality check for the morally agnostic: Fear, not animus, was responsible for Mixon’s “excessive” response. The law didn’t protect Joe Mixon. She, apparently was legally “provoked” (whatever that means, legally) by Mixon into an animal rage and “any” attempt to defend himself was unjustified. Anyone take a look at “Bambi’s” X-Man fingernails as they closed around Mixon’s throat? Oh yeah, no problem with that?
I’m not sure how collusion among NFL owners to de-value the earning potential of a young man, with no prior record, based on “self-defense” could be called anything other than just that: Collusion to devalue and apply extralegal punishment to a victim of assault & battery based on the gender of the assailant.
Wrap your mind around the subliminal messaging, OK…!!!
April 12th, 2017 at 2:18 pm
There is no name any female can use on a man that would justify him hitting that female back. And per the law, another man for that matter. And yes, she put her hands on his neck briefly and he would have been justified pulling back, pushing off, or walking away. But not a hard right punch. There is self defense (which this was not) and there is assault. Neither of these two are innocent, and one of them clearly committed a crime…it’s that simple. If he or anyone supporting him thinks he used force fearing bodily harm and self defense, Mixon should be made to go to enroll is career floral arrangement classes because he could have disengaged without using all the force. My two cents.
April 12th, 2017 at 2:34 pm
Joe is saying you’re a primate if you think Mixon had no other option but to knock the sh1t out of this 80lb teenage girl. Jesus I don’t know what is wrong with our world. I thought beating women was largely condoned in this country but not according to Bucs fans I guess. Mixon could have easily shoved this chick 20 feet away from him and nobody would have said anything. I am amazed that guys keep saying shi1t as if she deserved to get punched by a very strong college athlete. I assume if your girlfriends or wives get out of line at home you just knock them the f$@k out right!
April 12th, 2017 at 2:36 pm
Its not just Bucs fans. Unless only Bucs fans comment on youtube lol
April 12th, 2017 at 2:37 pm
Meant to say it is not condoned
April 12th, 2017 at 2:39 pm
And you do realize the back story that Mixon followed them into the establishment and was trying to bully her gay friend. She was actually trying to defend him.
April 12th, 2017 at 2:43 pm
Oh yeah, that girl was sooooo scary and frightening as she sat at that table with her nails all “done up”!!!!!! And gosh, I can’t imagine the pain of being slapped and almost choked by her!!!!!!! And the names! Oh my gosh, the names!!!!
“Fear”?! Man, please! “Collusion”? That ain’t collusion. Collusion is a guy like Colin Kapernick(sp) who can’t get a job. This despite easily being better than the likes of Mike Glennon and a whole host of others. Why? Did he beat, I’m sorry “defend himself,” against a woman? No.
And let me reiterate this, football is not an entitlement. It’s NOT Mixon’s right that he play. If his stock is “de-valued”, it’s of his own doing. I’m 100% sure that he’ll get his 2nd chance and play football. Nobody here should be crying for him.
You know what, if you don’t get it, you won’t get it! SMH
April 12th, 2017 at 2:46 pm
Forget fanciful macro evolution … there is more chance that Roberto Aguayo becomes the 2nd kicker in NFL history to win league MVP next year than there is for Doug Martin to net the Bucs a 2nd round pick, lol
However, I do believe the Bucs have a shot at trading down in the 1st round and picking up an extra #2 … I honestly believe that Dalvin Cook AND Corey Davis AND David Njoku will all still be on the board when the Bucs draft at #19 … and if the Bucs would rather have Cook or Njoku I could see them trading their #19 pick to the Chiefs for their #27 pick and their #59 pick in the 2nd round. Tampa could then take say Corey Davis at #19, Joe Mixon at #50 and a CB/S like Desmond King or a pass rusher like Tim Williams with that #59 pick …
Honestly I wouldn’t mind seeing the Bucs trading down MULTIPLE times to pick up extra picks as this is a DEEEEEEP draft.
April 12th, 2017 at 2:49 pm
I pray to the football gods that Corey Davis will be there at 19.
April 12th, 2017 at 2:54 pm
Cant agree with you on that NFL. I don’t want 8 3rd rounders and 15 7th rounders. I want top tier talent with the first pick. Depending on how the draft unfolds it may be worth it to drop back a few spots if they think one of thier guys will still be there. I don’t want to do that multiple times thought. History tells us that the later you draft the bigger the gamble. I want someone that is nearly a sure thing in the first round.
April 12th, 2017 at 2:56 pm
Abdominal, I highly doubt that the Bucs will take a receiver in the first after we picked up DJax in free agency. Licht doesn’t want to use a first rounder on a guy that at best will be a number 3 receiver for a couple of years.
April 12th, 2017 at 3:02 pm
@TDTB- Yeah but it’d be hard to pass up that kind of talent, don’t you think? Corey Davis, I mean.
April 12th, 2017 at 3:04 pm
If he is there you grab that guy, to me it is more about how highly I regard Davis then how I feel it is a need for us. This is a player who will be a stud for years to come. Then go get some D’onta foreman later or even that Perine dude is growing on me. Although I like Foreman slightly more due to his speed for his size.
April 12th, 2017 at 3:11 pm
TDTB … I wasn’t advocating trading out of the first round for low round picks at all.
I simply meant something like the following:
Let’s say the Bucs really want Corey Davis and are positive he’ll be on the board at the very end of the first round …
They trade #19 to the Lions so the Lions can draft Cook … and pick up an extra 3rd rounder in the process
They then trade #21 to the Texans so the Texans can move ahead of the Giants and draft either a QB or OT they think the Giants will take … and pick up another 3rd rounder in the process
They then trade #25 to the Saints so the Saints can take the best CB available ahead of other DB needy teams like the Packers and Cowboys … and pick up yet another 3rd rounder in the process.
They then draft David Njoku, the guy they wanted all along, at #32 … and have an extra THREE 3rd round picks to use as well.
ALSO … a much less complicated scenario would simply be trading #19 to the Chiefs for #27 and either an additional 2nd rounder or an additional 3rd AND 4th rounder …
April 12th, 2017 at 3:27 pm
@NFLNUT
Bro, your “if humans are animals then anything goes” argument is incredibly weak.
God and Macro-Evolution are not mutually exclusive.
Just like being an extremely complex and developed primate, and. Having moralty are not mutually exclusive.
Also not sure why you feel that Evolution is faith based. Their is a mountain of evidence. Both physiological, and through genetic sequencing.
The best example i can think of the top of my head is the case of Dolphins, Whales, and manatees. All are mammals that require air to breath, yet live full-time in the water. Each of which have vestigial hip/ leg bones in their skeleton.
Macro-Evolution is not something that happens rapidly at one time. It transpires over millions of years through mutation, environmental stimulus, and natural selection. Meaning thaf if a mutation occurs that is somewhat beneficial to an organisms survival, then it is more likely for that organism to procreate and pass those genes on.
Granted I am not equipped to give a full fledged dissertation explaining every minute detail, but their are people that dedicate their lives to doing so, and their is more than enough evidence at this point to support Evolution, both micro and macro.
April 12th, 2017 at 3:33 pm
One last thing, for anyone of the opinion that other primates and apes aren’t capable of higher process, and having complex emotions…
I take great pleasure in introducing you to a very special Gorilla. Her name is Koko. She loves kittens, Mr. Rogers, and Robin Williams.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=f_CPB-5b2Ts
April 12th, 2017 at 4:05 pm
JOE … I am trying to submit a long reply to Blake and it won’t post … there are no curse words, no offensive words, no quotation marks, no symbols, no nothing … why does this happen so often?
April 12th, 2017 at 4:11 pm
Blake … there is ZERO, as in nada, zilch, evidnce for macro evolution.
It is an unscientific and fanciful belief system, period.
Various evolutionist scientists including Stephen Jay Gould and even Richard Dawkins have admitted such.
There is no more hard evidence for macro evolution than there is to support the idea that a four armed elephant carries the world in a backpack, it’s just idiocy.
http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/a-world-famous-chemist-tells-the-truth-theres-no-scientist-alive-today-who-understands-macroevolutio
http://www.dissentfromdarwin.org/resources-for-students/why-is-darwinian-evolution-controversial/
http://thetruthwins.com/archives/44-reasons-why-evolution-is-just-a-fairy-tale-for-adults
April 12th, 2017 at 4:13 pm
^that’s god telling you that you’re wrong. Lol.
April 12th, 2017 at 4:16 pm
You have more patience than me, Blake (today was somewhat of an anomaly as couldn’t let NOS’s initial salvo implying a complete and utter lack of knowledge re: biology, genetics, etc, pass without comment; hey, I’m here to help, ha-ha). I am happy to calmly, rationally discuss topics such as this with people with open minds who have been indoctrinated in blind faith or who for whatever reason cannot conceptually work out simple science for whatever reason. I am still learning myself. Science is perhaps the only discipline that allows for inarguable change when scientific consensus dictates (for example, when Newtonian physics was overtaken by Einstein’s theory of relativity). You can’t argue with facts. Well, today perhaps you can. But not when it comes to science. It kills me that people who use the endowments of science every day (cars, phones, computers, pretty much every technological element) can dismiss vital elements of it out of hand. A physicist once said to a student doubting elementary laws of physics because he could not understand them to test them by stepping out of a 3rd story window. Anyway, thanks for your contributions.
April 12th, 2017 at 4:16 pm
Blake … as for the moral question, I disagree with you entirely.
If there is no absolute truth there is no right and wrong aside from the societal norms one finds him or herself living under. Nothing can ever truly be called right or wrong as while a certain action may be viewed negatively in your culture or country, it may be viewed positively in another culture or country, not to mention in a previous or future decade, etc.
I honestly feel sorry for anyone who believes in the unscientific fairy-tale of macro evolution in the same way I feel sorry for any hard-core atheist which (hard core atheism) is a relatively modern phenomenon and has as its adherents little more than self-consumed, malcontents who have no real interest in truth.
April 12th, 2017 at 4:17 pm
Blake … there is ZERO, as in nada, zilch, evidnce for macro evolution.
It is an unscientific and fanciful belief system, period.
Various evolutionist scientists including Stephen Jay Gould and even Richard Dawkins have admitted such.
There is no more hard evidence for macro evolution than there is to support the idea that a four armed elephant carries the world in a backpack, it’s just idiocy.
http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/a-world-famous-chemist-tells-the-truth-theres-no-scientist-alive-today-who-understands-macroevolutio
http://www.dissentfromdarwin.org/resources-for-students/why-is-darwinian-evolution-controversial/
http://thetruthwins.com/archives/44-reasons-why-evolution-is-just-a-fairy-tale-for-adults
April 12th, 2017 at 4:54 pm
NUT, Intelligent Design is a well known cover for creationism and has been easily refuted and debunked by every rational evolutionary biologist on the planet. In fact its primary concept, a creator setting everything in motion for them to apparently then evolve “intelligently” begs the question right at the start: who created the creator? So it’s turtles all the way down (or up). But I do admire your stamina.
April 12th, 2017 at 4:58 pm
That said, and to bring it full circle as far as my participation, football teams can indeed have an intelligent designer. At least in the best-case scenario. Jason Licht has been doing a good job so far and let’s hope that he continues to set things in motion for our team’s future success. See what I did there? 😉
April 12th, 2017 at 4:58 pm
I’m not dumb enough to try and argue against the “absolute truth” perspective.
April 12th, 2017 at 5:04 pm
Just because we don’t understand macro evolution doesn’t mean it’s not real. We do the same thing with God, right? Scientists saw the signs of continental drift long before they understood how it happens. Same thing here. There are advancements and discoveries in science all of the time. They’ll uncover this one too.
April 12th, 2017 at 5:09 pm
Blake … no Creationism has never been “refuted” and can’t be refuted … that doesn’t make it true or false but it is a fact that it cannot be refuted so your statement shows you simply have no idea what you’re talking about.
As for your silly question about who created God … really? That’s an illogical question at it’s core.
The simple fact is that there is NO EVIDENCE at all for macro evolution … that doesn’t mean you can’t believe in macro evolution, you’re a big boy and can believe whatever you want to believe, just have the courage to admit that it’s a unscientific, faith-based belief system with no hard evidence behind it … akin to many fanciful religions such as Mormonism, Scientology, etc.
007 .. I see what you did there; very good 🙂
April 12th, 2017 at 5:19 pm
BuccaneEric75 … like I said, anyone can “believe” whatever they want, they should simply have the courage to admit they have a “faith” and not try to pretend it’s scientific when there is no evidence and it’s not testable or repeatable.
As for the difference between a belief in God and a belief in macro evolution … you’d have to state which concept of the divine you’re referencing for me to comment with any authority.
I do believe a link could be made between the belief in macro evolution and a fanciful, made-up religious belief system like Mormonism. However if you’re talking about Biblical Christianity, I would say there is much more hard evidence to support Biblical Christianity than could even be dreamed up to support a macro evolution.
Just as all scientific hypotheses are not equal neither are all religions … some have evidence on their side and some are complete and utter nonsense.
April 12th, 2017 at 5:26 pm
You know I haven’t seen anyone mention in the TE group? Jordan Leggett from Clemson. That is one bad hombre.
April 12th, 2017 at 5:36 pm
^ I love Leggett and would be thrilled if the Bucs nabbed him in the 3rd or 4th round … I view him as a complete tight-end that doesn’t need to come off the field on rushing plays yet can stretch the field on passing plays!
April 12th, 2017 at 5:38 pm
http://www.ebay.com/itm/252842121038?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
^ This blows my mind! Why not just buy $3,200 worth of toilet paper? At least you can use it!
I like sports cards and have invested myself now and then, sometimes to great success, but $3,200 for JARED GOFF? WHY? SMH!
April 12th, 2017 at 5:47 pm
I said nothing about creationism.
And if you believe in micro evolution, I think you really do believe in macro evolution. You just can’t fathom how slowly it occurs over time.
April 12th, 2017 at 5:52 pm
And as for the “lack of transitional forms” argument.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D1UKHimLZao
I say to you, lungfish.
April 12th, 2017 at 6:07 pm
3200$ for Goff? Wow
April 12th, 2017 at 6:21 pm
Oh, and one major, MAJOR argument I have neglected to make thus far, is that even if you don’t believe in Macro evolution, Micro evolution still supports the theory that Humans are primates.
For which is their an extensive amount of evidence. With physiological, fossil evidence. Ranging from our most recent ancestor H o m o Erectus, all the way back to Australopithecus.
April 12th, 2017 at 6:22 pm
*for which there is*
April 12th, 2017 at 7:15 pm
LOL, 007 and Blake why are you even trying with this guy?
He’s bringing up intelligent design and claiming there is more “evidence” to support a made up religion over something that has been observable with real evidence and study over decades by professionals. LOLfickinL.
But now a lot of your other viewpoints are stating to make sense Nut, I’ll give you that. This stuff is better for the MCoJ anyways you crazy kids.
April 12th, 2017 at 7:25 pm
There’s many “made up religions” billions of people pray to some form or another. I tend to go with MAJORITY rule. Billions can’t be wrong.
April 12th, 2017 at 7:33 pm
Talk is talk, a woman puts her hands on me and I can walk away, call me a name, I was taught to walk away, spit on me and you’ve created a problem for yourself: with what is going on today Joe is right you will not find a “White Judge or White Lawyer” that would defend Mixon’s actions but I’m sure I could find some “Fair minded Black Judges and Black Lawyers” to come to his defence, if MIXON were a white boy, no tape would have ever been released..never! Your Presdent yea you know #45 the P-hole Grabber, got a big 2nd chance!! GET MIXON! HE’S THAT DAMN GOOD! ANGELO BLOWING SMOKE UP YOUR A$$!
April 12th, 2017 at 7:55 pm
Make no mistake, I believe in god, and I love Jesus.
But I also do not believe that 100 percent bible is meant to be taken literally, and there is no telling how many times it’s messages and intentions have been altered and perverted at the hands of man.
All I can do is pray for guidance.
However I think that Evolution is largely supported by evidence.
April 12th, 2017 at 7:58 pm
*100 percent of*
April 12th, 2017 at 8:12 pm
Make Mixon a Buc
So it is written, let his word be done
April 12th, 2017 at 9:23 pm
Nope!
April 12th, 2017 at 9:37 pm
Blake,
Australopithecus is a joke
http://scienceagainstevolution.org/v4i5f.htm
http://www.darwinismrefuted.com/origin_of_man_03.html
And, NO, humans are NOT primates
http://www.lloydpye.com/intervention/Prehumans-12Ways.htm
April 12th, 2017 at 9:48 pm
Unbelievable,
You obviously have never researched this issue seriously. To equate such an evidence-based belief system with man-made, fanciful and provably false belief systems like (insert nearly ALL others here) is proof positive that you simply have never seriously researched this issue other than perhaps to read books and articles that you already agree with and therefore stay inside your own echo chamber, which isn’t serious research by any stretch of the imagination.
Check out some of Dr. John Warwick Montgomery’s works to whet your appetite for further research.
April 12th, 2017 at 9:49 pm
P. S.
Dr. Montgomery is Professor Emeritus of Law and Humanities at the University of Bedfordshire, England, Distinguished Research Professor of Apologetics and X tian Thought, Patrick Henry College, Virginia, U.S.A., and Director, International Academy of Apologetics, Evangelism & Human Rights, Strasbourg, France. His legal speciality is the international and comparative law of human rights. He is the author of some fifty books in five languages, covering amongst other things theology, apologetics, legal issues and their overlap.
April 12th, 2017 at 10:11 pm
NFL Network is reporting Joe Mixon will probably be a 1st round pick now and might go to the Packers …. oh crap 🙁
April 12th, 2017 at 10:21 pm
B…b…b..but Angelo said….
April 12th, 2017 at 10:34 pm
If Angelo really thinks Mixon is a 5th round prospect based on his play … he’s 100% biased against the kid and letting that bias cloud his judgment imho
April 12th, 2017 at 11:56 pm
NFLnut, what exactly do you believe? Your making arguments against what you call “false religions”. The first religions worshiped the Sun God. Why is that less believable than Christianity Why is Christianity the real one? Because they have a book? Because that’s the most popular religion in the western world? Because that’s what you believe? More people on Earth believe in something different. Muslims and Asians just got it wrong then. Billions of years of life on Earth can’t be refuted by a book written over 2000 years ago, unless you are one of the ones who believes that the Earth is only 6000 years old and every scientist ever has been in on some giant conspiracy. Science eventually proves old thinking wrong. People used to think that a solar eclipse was an act of a God. Obviously we know that was wrong and eclipses can be predicted well into the future. No one knows how life develops, but I’d rather not put my hopes in something that was made 2000 years ago by people that have 1/10000 of the knowledge we have today. With that being said, I do believe that a higher power could be responsible for the Big Bang and the universes creation. Totally possible. I just don’t think I believe that it’s the God of the Christian Bible.
April 13th, 2017 at 12:15 am
Eric75,
#1 Do your own research on Christianity and Biblical history. Unlike ALL other religions it asks you to question it and can be verified. It’s not mere science fiction like Mormonism or idol worship like Islam.
More coming …
April 13th, 2017 at 12:17 am
Eric75,
#2 I could care the less what religion is popular, numbers and popularity mean NOTHING; I care about truth, period. If Biblical Christianity was provably false like most religions are, I would reject it.
April 13th, 2017 at 12:19 am
NFLnut, you haven’t answered my question. What do you believe? How do you know it’s “not probably false”?
April 13th, 2017 at 12:22 am
NFLnut, how do you verify something that there is no proof for?
April 13th, 2017 at 12:24 am
Glenn Beck tells his audience to research and verify what he says. He must always be right then? I think not.
April 13th, 2017 at 12:27 am
Eric75,
#3 If you would rather put your “faith” in mortal humans who have been proven wrong time and time again, than in God’s word which shouldn’t even be here as some of the most powerful governments and dictators in human history did everything they could to burn every copy around along with those who read it … you do that.
Science does not just prove old thinking wrong, it proves itself wrong time and time again as well. Just look into the history of the “age of the earth” … the thing is aging at an incredible rate and pretty soon modern scientists may catch up to the Vedic philosophers of India and say the earth is 155.5 TRILLION years old!
As for the Biblical writers knowing 1/1000th what scientists know, hahahahahaha, you have no idea what you’re talking about … science owes more to Christianity and the Bible than the other way around, by far. Do some research.
April 13th, 2017 at 12:30 am
Eric75,
#4 It doesn’t matter what I personally believe. Who am I? Nobody important. It only matter what you believe or end up believing and therefore I would simply say that you need to do your own research, but I believe that if you do, you will come to the same conclusion that I did, namely that there is a massive difference between Biblical Christianity and ALL other religions and a massive difference between Jesus Christ of Nazareth and ALL other religious leaders/founders.
Have fun in your search for truth; I wish you all the best!
April 13th, 2017 at 12:32 am
Glenn Beck is a Mormon, therefore he’s a nut in my book … that religion is based on science fiction and complete nonsense that is provably false … and the founders were loons as well!
BTW, I’m not asking you to believe what I believe … you need to do your own research and reach your own conclusions … I’m simply stating there is absolute truth and there is no greater goal than to find it … even if we die in our search of such.
April 13th, 2017 at 1:07 am
NFLnut, if I’m coming off as hard-core anti-God, that’s not what I’m saying. I think it’s likely that a God created the universe. I think it’s possible that it could be the Christian God. I think if it is the Christian God, the Bible wouldn’t reveal things about the Earths history, age, etc… that wasn’t already known at the time and that people of that time wouldn’t understand. Therefore, a creation of basic life with evolution afterward into what we are today wouldn’t violate the biblical record at all. I can admit that Christianity might be correct, but be sure to take your own advice. Mortal humans wrote the Bible, can you really believe anything in it for sure then? That’s a rhetorical question. I have to wake up in 4 hours and I gave up at 155 trillion. Anyway, go Bucs! We can at least agree on that.
April 13th, 2017 at 1:18 am
Eric75,
I didn’t view you negatively so no worries there.
You seem open-minded which is great … I encourage you to sincerely research Biblical history, inerrancy, prophecy, scientific foreknowledge and the like, but especially the person-hood and claims of Christ Himself.
As for me … I have spent decades researching religion as I consider their to be no greater search than the search for WHO God is and WHAT He desires. I like knowledge of all kinds and am a voracious reader so I have read a great many books and articles that I disagree with as I love to challenge myself as well.
I am at a point in my life where I am 100% certain that either Biblical Christianity is true and Jesus Christ of Nazareth was God in the flesh … or … all religions are false as I have researched a ton of them and the only one that has any realistic merit is Biblical Christianity imho.
BTW, I was NOT raised a Christian nor was I born in America. I have extended family members who have literally died for their faith and because they would not forsake their faith but I myself took a long time to get to the point I am at now in my life.
And YES, “Go Bucs” … on that we can agree! I was never a Bucs fan until Jameis was drafted but now I do consider them my team … of course if Jameis ever gets traded my loyalties go out the door, lol.
Have a great night!
April 13th, 2017 at 6:57 am
@NFLNUT
As I have already said, i am a follower of Jesus, and I try and thank him everyday for his blessings and mercy.
But, regardless of how much of the new testament is historically acurate, the largely allegorical storys of the old testement cannot not be proven as fact.
There is nothing about evolution and the truth of Jesus that cancel eachother out.
April 13th, 2017 at 7:38 am
he played in the garbage big 12 were they are allergic to defense and didn’t even get the majority of the carries last year they went to perine i keep hearing about him being the most talented back i think that’s bull he is the next best after the big 3