CB At No. 19 May Be A Stretch
April 11th, 2017
Rising stud.
Joe notices folks pushing for the Bucs to draft a corner at No. 19.
May want to tap the brakes.
Hey, Joe understands Brent Grimes turns 34 in July with but one year left on his current pact. So logic suggests the Bucs might want to start looking for a replacement.
Joe is of the mind if Grimes plays like he did last year, he will get an extension. Hey, corners are hard enough to find in the NFL and if a guy can still play, why push him out the door?
Now on the other side of the field is 21-year-old Vernon Hargreaves, who was drafted No. 11 overall last spring. The Bucs are not going to pick a guy at No. 19 this year if he cannot get on the field.
And no, Hargreaves is not going to be benched. Hargreaves is entrenched at his spot, if you believe the words from NFL analyst Andy Benoit of theMMQB.com.
@Andy_Benoit: Hargreaves significant improvements in 2nd half last yr. Plays outside or in slot. Another 1st-rounder like that and #Bucs are playoff team
Sure doesn’t sound like Hargreaves is in danger. In fact, Hargreaves was turning the corner at the end of last season, the worst thing for Hargreaves’ development would be to curtail his snaps.
That’s not going to happen any time soon.
Could the Bucs select a corner, say, in the second round? That wouldn’t be crazy. But if you are drafting a guy in the mid-range of the first round, you want him on the field full-time. Grimes and Hargreaves, barring unforeseen injuries, are locked in as starters.
April 11th, 2017 at 6:05 am
You and your part time player stuff kills me most nfl players are part time.and if anyone thinks two Cb’s our enough they are crazy! Know I’m not sure where to draft one but we definitely need one imo.
April 11th, 2017 at 6:32 am
Adoree’ Jackson in later rounds would be sweet. He is another weapon for the team.
April 11th, 2017 at 7:44 am
Jackson is gone by the end of the second round. Not “later rounds”. He has elite speed and elite versatility.
April 11th, 2017 at 7:54 am
What is with the obsession with Andy Benoit lately? Every other day he’s changing his mind.
And yes, there’s a decent chance Adoree Jackson won’t make it out of the 1st round, let alone 2nd.
April 11th, 2017 at 8:15 am
We need to keep stocking the shelves. An injury here or there will put us in quite the spot if we don’t have any players.
#StocktheShelves
April 11th, 2017 at 8:24 am
I say go after Sidney Jones from the University of Washington in the 2nd round. he was considered a top 15 pick before he was injured and if he is as good as Marcus Peters we’re set.
April 11th, 2017 at 8:31 am
Obviously Grimes & VHIII hold the edge in terms of starting CBs this yr, but also anticipate that Ryan Smith will get lots of playing time. Still think Bucs will re-sign Jude for another year, and Josh Robinson is a solid backup. Bucs will most likely add 1 more to that mix (6 CBs total), but given our higher priority needs to make a push for getting into the playoffs, can’t see us drafting a CB any higher than 4th rnd, and maybe not at all. Licht might find what we need through FA, cut-downs or via a trade.
April 11th, 2017 at 8:31 am
Disagree, we need a corner in 2nd round, latest. You can’t take chances at that position as there aren’t any walking around on the street
April 11th, 2017 at 8:32 am
Cant see licht going cb round 1 or 2 unless he is a great returner too. Nooooo in round 1 please!!
April 11th, 2017 at 8:37 am
Can you put names on the NFL Network Clowns vs using vague references!!
April 11th, 2017 at 8:38 am
Joe, I have heard almost nobody suggest we take a corner with the first pick. I am guessing you have seen it posted at some point but I would say that hardly anyone is suggesting the Bucs use thier first rounder on a CB.
April 11th, 2017 at 8:41 am
I don’t see why this is even a debate. Licht’s track records says he drafts for starters in the first 2 rounds and CB doesn’t meet that criteria. Most probable is a RB or a lineman in the first 2 rounds. We could even see a WR or TE if he’s a type that could see significant time on the field. I could even imagine a DL or S in the first 2 rounds but not CB.
April 11th, 2017 at 8:50 am
Our first round pick should be the best player for our team for the next 5 years not just this upcoming season. Previous years we had more glaring needs so we had to draft immediate starters and I dont think thats the case this year. If they feel the best player available when we pick is corner then I have no problem with us taking one. Besides we will mostly be in 3 cb sets anyway. And also it would be nice to find us in a situation where everyone is saying we need to draft a cb first next year when Grimes retires or isnt re-signed.
April 11th, 2017 at 9:14 am
He’s been pumping out a lot of Bucs stuff of late. Thought Bucs fans were bitter national writers don’t write enough about the Bucs? Now it is too much?
Be thankful during the dry season someone is offering non-draft Bucs stuff.
April 11th, 2017 at 9:20 am
“May be” a Stretch? How about is not happening. CB 3-4 rd maybe.
April 11th, 2017 at 9:37 am
Sidney Jones makes so much sense on Day 2. I hope it happens.
April 11th, 2017 at 9:38 am
Our nickle corner was a source of great pain for us.
Barimah, Verner, and Javeon Elliot all rotated. Barimah and Eliot went undrafted. Verner is gone.
So we have two undrafted guys and Ryan Smith as our backup CB’s.
Who else?
A third CB is a major need!
I hope we extend Grimes AND draft a stud CB!
Injuries happen!!!
April 11th, 2017 at 9:53 am
Sidney jones would be good in round 3 due to his injury….maybe Marlon Humphrey….maybe desmond king….
Imo we have solid depth at cb….on the outside we have grimes, VHG, j.robinson and ryan smith….nickel we have j.elliott and jude….
I wouldn’t mind us adding one near the end of the draft or sign a UDFA…GO BUCS!!!!
April 11th, 2017 at 9:57 am
Totally agree teacherman777. I am also concerned about LB and TE for that same reason–we are incredibly thin at those positions. And drafting a CB that tore his ACL like Jones won’t solve that problem.
April 11th, 2017 at 10:11 am
Nickel corner is so valuable. It definitely wouldn’t be a disappointment to draft a guy early and have him play nickel for a season. He will still get a good chunk of the snaps. It’s kind of too late if you wait for Grimes to slow down before replacing him. If the right guy falls to us we take him, if not 2nd or 3rd round would be great.
April 11th, 2017 at 10:33 am
I agree we could use more CBs, but defiantly not at 19. I don’t know who the hells been saying that Joe but it aint happening. I’d say maybe the third at the earliest. They seem to be and I am very excited to see what Ryan Smith can do. I also started to like the rookie xavier fulton in the nickel at the of last season. So let’s keep bringing in CB, but not at 19. And we already tried that CB to safety crap, and learned that doesn’t work most the time.
April 11th, 2017 at 10:38 am
*Javian Elliot. Hahaha I keep saying Xavier Fulton for some reason.
April 11th, 2017 at 10:56 am
This might be the deepest defensive back draft ever. I think there’s a good chance we add a corner by the end of Day 2, but I don’t see it at 19.
April 11th, 2017 at 1:45 pm
CB is not in our top 5 needs.
April 11th, 2017 at 2:12 pm
It all just comes back to who drops where. If the right guy drops and he’s head and shoulders over the other guys on the board, potentially a future pro bowler, would you really pass him up because he’s a nickel for a year?
April 11th, 2017 at 2:44 pm
Buc50 says:
“Licht’s track records says he drafts for starters in the first 2 rounds”
That’s a good point. And when you line that up with the strengths of this draft – it points to RB, Safety or possibly TE in the 1st rd as being the most likely targets. A lot will depend of course on who is available.
Of those 3 “needs” – TE is perhaps the least because Brate had a good year last year – but if a talent like OJ Howard were to somehow make it to 19 or anywhere close you have to jump on that assuming Cook, Adams and Hooker are already off the board. Howard is a generational type talent at TE. He is one of the most complete TE’s that excels at both in-line blocking and making athletic plays in the passing game that has come out of College in quite some time.
Which is of course why he will almost certainly be a top 10 pick. But hey – draft day bong pictures and the like do occur. Anyone out there have any dirt on Howard that could conveniently surface just before the draft?? LOL
April 11th, 2017 at 4:05 pm
The only positions we should be looking at with our first round pick are DE, Safety, WR, and RB. Anything else would be wasteful.
April 11th, 2017 at 7:53 pm
Depth is not wasteful. Somebody is going to get hurt and we will need fresh souls at CB
April 11th, 2017 at 9:37 pm
70% nickle defense. Teams need three legit starters at CB on defense. If Teez Tabor is there in the second he would be great to team up with Hargreaves again. Another one I like at CB is Corn Elder. He is undersized but plays with confidence and heart. TE Jordan Leggett and RB Samaje Perine are great additions as well.