Taco Time?
March 25th, 2017
Strong interest.
It would not shock Joe at all if the Bucs draft a defensive end at No. 19.
As much as Joe likes the promise displayed by Noah Spence, the rookie had to have shoulder surgery this offseason. Who knows when or if he can regain his previous form?
And in a league that is all about quarterbacks, for defenses, it’s all about getting to the quarterback.
Lest we forget, this franchise still hasn’t had a friggin’ 10-sack guy since Simeon Rice left, which seems like a generation ago.
It is positively shameful how the Bucs have all but p!ssed away the cream of Gerald McCoy’s career with little help for the guy since they let Michael Bennett walk out the door for no good reason.
Yesterday, Michael Rothstein of BSPN reported from Michigan’s pro day that manbeast defensive end Taco Charlton will be visiting the Bucs for a private sitdown. Again, the Bucs aren’t going to waste their time with a guy they are not interested in. If the Bucs are bringing in Charlton, there has to be more than a passing interest.
A defensive end at No. 19? Joe wouldn’t cry over it, that’s for sure.
March 25th, 2017 at 8:08 am
The whole dig on Noah Spence is weird. The dude played balls out last year with his harness on, if he is not 100% I’m sure he’ll strap that damn harness back on and still improve on his #s from doing it all last year.
If JPP and his one hand can do it, Spence can do it with a harness. Anyways all that is moot, surgeries and rehab are almost always successful on young players. Spence will be fine and get us our first 10 sack DE since Simeon.
March 25th, 2017 at 8:10 am
I think the 40 is not as big of a deal for lineman but the guy is a one year starter that ran a 4.92.
I think he is another William Gholsten that could be a great run stopper but not give us much as a pass rusher.
I think at 19 he would be a big mistake for us.
March 25th, 2017 at 8:10 am
Who doesn’t like taco’s? Lol
March 25th, 2017 at 8:13 am
Speaking for Pablo
“If JBF posters think Pablo will be assuaged (that’s right Pablo knows big words) by drafting a player named “Taco” instead of a brown bad hombre….they’d be right……Pablo will take anything he can get. Pablo is OK with dumping El A$$esino if he doesn’t come around. Pablo is embarrassed by his poor play.”
March 25th, 2017 at 8:16 am
Dude Taco is garbage. I would cry for a month if we wasted a first round pick on that future bust
March 25th, 2017 at 8:19 am
The only DE I think are worth taking at 19 is Charles Harris and Barnett. They are The best edge rushers behind Garrett
March 25th, 2017 at 8:21 am
Besides. He’s just another guy who can’t rush the passer but can play inside or outside against the run. Whoooo!
March 25th, 2017 at 8:24 am
People watch these highlight tapes and get mesmerized by what they see . You have to watch peppers tape to see the true taco highlights . The kid is lazy as hell. Whenever you want to see someone’s real game watch someone else on the team close to him and then see does he jump off the tape . Go on Alabama d line and watch anybody on the line and you will see Tim Williams all over the place then you will understand a little better . Shoot you can watch our d line and watch how gmc always pops out .
March 25th, 2017 at 8:24 am
@Mick
It is weird, especially since joe for years has been telling us every offseason that Jacquies Smith is about to “breakout” or that we were “set” even though the guy was hurt!!!!
The 10 sack DE is not as necessary as previous defenses that would only rush 4 all game/season long!!!!! Sacks can be a spread out and still have a very potent defense!!!!
That being said, De, Wr, Te, O-tackle, Are all in play!!! and the great thing is that with the right pick, can make that group elite in this league!!!!!
Go Bucs!!!!
March 25th, 2017 at 8:27 am
Besides the spin move, didn’t see anything that cries 1st round pick and/or 10 sacks in the NFL.
March 25th, 2017 at 8:29 am
Don’t forget CB people wave a 33 year old and hartgraves give me a break anyone comfortable with that is smoking some good stuff !
March 25th, 2017 at 8:31 am
Does it have to be at 19 no Bucs are going TE there (imo) but it needs to be addressed!
March 25th, 2017 at 8:32 am
“It is positively shameful how the Bucs have all but p!ssed away the cream of Gerald McCoy’s career with little help for the guy…”
This.
I’m 100% in favor of drafting a DE at 19 (if he is BPA), but Taco? Not so sure of.
March 25th, 2017 at 8:37 am
I think there’s a much better value drafting Lawson in the later rounds and focus on drafting BPA in the 1st.
March 25th, 2017 at 8:43 am
Bucs history drafting DEs is terrible in any round let alone the first round, please wait until the 3rd or 4th and get a high motor guy. We have too many needs, RB, S, WR, C,RT. Shoulda gotten Barwin but no use in crying over spilled milk.
March 25th, 2017 at 8:44 am
Pass!!! The d line is considered a deep unit regardless of the 10 sacks. We are desperate for a playmaker at the rb position and are we really going to stay put with what we have at safety? Rb, safety, wr., corner, d line in that order hopefully.
March 25th, 2017 at 8:48 am
DE or RB at #19. Sounds perfect to me
March 25th, 2017 at 8:53 am
THE BUCS WANT A TE AT 19 ! imo, I feel you could get on later in the draft but THE BUCS WANT A TE AT 19 !!!!!!
March 25th, 2017 at 8:59 am
I think this all hinges on what Jay Hayes thinks of Charlton. We do have the right guys (Gholston, Ayers, McCoy) in the room to help toughen him up – the question then becomes do you think he’s got the desire and ability to buckle up and grind? I don’t care if he never had 10 sacks in college. Remember the Adrian Clayborn/Cam Jordan debate? Jordan never cracked 10 and Clayborn did – Jordan became a top notch player and Clayborn is just another guy. This team could do worse than adding another pass rusher.
March 25th, 2017 at 9:16 am
@Joe … “Lest we forget, this franchise still hasn’t had a friggin’ 10-sack guy since Simeon Rice left.” People keep making a big thing about having a 10-sack player and although that’d be nice, it’s much more important I think to look at how the TEAM does in terms of sacks.
Last yr Bucs got 38 TEAM sacks, but the most any individual player had was 6.5 sacks (both GMC & Ayers got 6.5). Simeon Rice played 5 full seasons for the Bucs (2001-2005) and part of another. In those 5 full seasons, Bucs as a TEAM ranged from 35-45 sacks each season. TEAM average was 40 … roughly the same as Bucs got last yr as a TEAM. For his part, Simeon got between 11 – 15.5 sacks during those seasons, for an average of 13.5 sacks. In other words, one guy got one-third of the team sacks. Very impressive for Simeon, but the TEAM results were pretty close to the same as last yr.
The year before Simeon arrived (2000) by the way, the Bucs as a TEAM had 55 sacks. Incredible. Two DLinemen hit in double digits: Sapp (16.5) and Marcus Jones (13).
March 25th, 2017 at 9:18 am
No thanks. We can do better in the first rd.
March 25th, 2017 at 9:29 am
I’m not a fan of Taco Charlton really. He does fit what we need on our d-line.
March 25th, 2017 at 9:38 am
Licht signed Chris Baker to help free up GMC. I think he is gonna make a significant impact along the line. I say best offensive player on the board at 19.
March 25th, 2017 at 9:44 am
Please. Stop. Please, Joe. They are not drafting a 5th DE in the does round just to ride the bench behind recently cashed out Gholston, Ayers and our new fan fav Spence. Taco man would have to beat out Jacquies, just to be 4th!!!! 4th!!!!
Are you guys kidding me? What possible advantage is that? We gunna run taco out on the field to season him up in a playoff year, just to get stonewalled by the Falcons oline? And leave Ayers on the bench? Pffft.
Let me repeat. It is not happening at 19. Anything less would be uncivilized. Anything less would be a dereliction of duty. Literally, RB, WR, TE, SS, FS, CB, RT, are all more likely in the first round.
Please stop with the DE thing. Put it away.
March 25th, 2017 at 9:54 am
Let me offer an observation. When I look at some of the latest D-Line signings as well as players under review for the draft, it looks like DC Mike Smith likes big wide a$$ NTs over the center (Baker, Siliga) and DE/OLBs on the edge (Spence).
This looks like a guy that wants more 3-4 action in the defense. Enter DE/OLB Jordan Willis/Kansas State 6-4, 255, 4.53 (projected 2nd round) who also has a private visit to Tampa.The Bucs have 7 DEs on the roster now, most of whom look a lot like Taco Charlton.
Like I said, just an observation, but I’d put my money on another Spence like addition to the D-Line. I could see two stand-up DE/OLBs with a wide body over the center in the Bucs future. Not going pure 3-4, but hybrid 3-4/4-3 defense.
March 25th, 2017 at 10:01 am
@Macabee
I agree sir, this is going to more of a hybrid defense with some explosive DE/LBs coming from behind the d-line. Can’t wait to see how they draft
March 25th, 2017 at 10:06 am
@Kalind
Not sure if you understand how rotations work lol. First off, Idk why Jac Smith should be penciled in at 4th on the depth chart. Can’t stay healthy and who knows if he will be the same off the ACL.
Second, there is a lot of versatility on our DL. Spence isnt ready imo to be a 3 down DE so having Gholston and Ayers as DEs on early downs. In passing situations Spence and a Rookie pass rusher can play DE and a combo of GMC/Baker/Ayers can play inside.
I wouldnt say dont draft a DE early because he will “be the 5th guy”. You can never have too many pass rushers
March 25th, 2017 at 10:26 am
@mac
Agree about J.Willis, kids an athletic freak, with the production to go with it.
March 25th, 2017 at 11:23 am
Noah spence- 6’2″.251# 4.80 40- combine numbers
Taco Charleton-6’6″. 277#. 4.80 40 pro day
Gholston can not rush passer. Doesnt have the uicks
Jac Smith -more tub time than Game time
Noah Spence- unknown. More LB then DE
Robert Ayers- good, but 32 years old
Who in the world thinks that unit is deep, or great pass rushers??
Hope your job doesnt drug test.
Do you think Brees, Newton, or Ryan or afraid of our DEs?
Dont think so.
Compare or 4 DEs to The other 3 NFC south teams- and we are in 4th place
Comparing to our 2003 Super Bowl team? Ancient history
Its a whole different Ball game
Dont care its its Charleton. Dont care if its 19,
But in a DE heavy draft- we better get one!
Because we have one proven DE.
And He’s 32
March 25th, 2017 at 11:28 am
6 sack a year guy
March 25th, 2017 at 11:45 am
As far as “Rushing from the LB spot”
Dont we have Lavonte David and Kwon Alexander?
Havent they been playing in Mike Smith’s offense?
Rushing a LB is sucessful, IF you have a DE that demands attention.
A pass rushing De is a real need for this team
Then, we can rush Ayers and new DE, along with McCoy and Baker.
Stand Noah spence up behind that line- and QBs would dread playing us.
And that is the Goal
March 25th, 2017 at 12:38 pm
Taco will be a third round pick. Not sure where Joe is getting his “info”. He runs as slow as a DT and only had one good year. The Bucs are looking for value in the middle rounds with this visit, nothing more.
March 25th, 2017 at 1:31 pm
No. Guy is not good.
But funny yall say visits matter. Bucs have met with just about every TE
March 25th, 2017 at 2:00 pm
D in 1st.(DE-Rushing LB,NT or S)
They are not 100% sure on Baker at NT.
March 25th, 2017 at 3:52 pm
Taco isn’t explosive enough for my liking. Bucs have enough run stopping DEs.
March 25th, 2017 at 4:20 pm
For DEs look at the 3 cone. 7.25 is the threshold D (for pass rushers) . Above that don’t draft them and expect 10+ sacks…it simply doesn’t happen. Spence 7.2. Taco is 7.17 with much more density. His 10 yard split will be interesting. (1.5 is elite pass rusher)
March 25th, 2017 at 4:22 pm
And tape…. Tape has to be good for any of those numbers to matter.
March 25th, 2017 at 7:28 pm
Anybody else like watching him blow up Lovie’s not-so-fighting Illini??
Didn’t see much out of him to use that high of a draft pick on, though
March 25th, 2017 at 7:48 pm
Not overly impressed. He reminds me of gohlston. His sacks were unimpressive. Beating subpar LT’s. He plays good situational ball but not what I’d call a pass rusher. What really impressed me was 99 and 96. Especially 96. Watch the highlights over and focus on him. He’s solid played 2 tech and 3 tech. Played the double well good lateral movement gets off blocks and from a 2tech he was solid pass rushing.
March 25th, 2017 at 8:44 pm
Barnett! Barnett! Barnett!
March 25th, 2017 at 9:39 pm
I am a Michigan guy, but must admit that Taco is not worth the # 19 pick.
Value in the later rounds, of course.
March 26th, 2017 at 3:11 am
Lets see..who do we have at DE? Robert Ayers, William Gholston, Noah Spence, Jaquies Smith, Howard Jones and George Johnson. Taco Charlton would be a great addition at 6-6 277, with 9.5 sacks last year. There just are other priorities. Need a TE, WR, S, CB or RB.
March 26th, 2017 at 7:57 am
No mas tacos
March 26th, 2017 at 10:44 am
Charlton isn’t even in Mayock’s top five, for what it’s worth I don’t believe. I would take Malik McDowell if were going DLine, this kid has some decent upside…played both inside and out. Raw, doesn’t have a ton of pass rush moves…but the guy is anchor and really really quick off the line, Joe.
March 26th, 2017 at 1:37 pm
We could use a WR2, DE4, DT5, CB3, SS1, RB1, OT2, C, TE2, and OLB1. Haven’t heard if JSmith moved on to SF yet but might be a more pressing need at 19. I hope we move down in this draft, there are teams in win now mode more than us with tons of draft picks. I don’t think KC, NE, CLE would mind trading their 1st pick plus 3rd and possible 5th to move up to 19… I want two pick in the 2nd or third rounds, even 4th as this draft is soooooo deep at positions of need.
March 27th, 2017 at 12:46 pm
i think we finally see the much bussed about “hybrid” D this year. another big DE makes Spence more of a wildcard. you could have gholston and mccoy at DE and using guys like noah spence as a rush OLB in a 3-4 or even show a “5 man” line where Noah is the Sam LB playing at the LOS