Not Sold On DJax
March 17th, 2017
Statheads suggest bad chemistry.
The numberscrunchers are really great at one thing: sucking the life and joy out of sports.
For example, look at DeSean Jackson. As fast as Flash Jackson is, he should instantly give the Bucs, and specifically America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, the deep threat that is sorely needed.
But nope, the statheads just have to be like mom catching you watching porn. Over at NFL.com they have this “Next Gen Stats” thing and nameless, faceless calculator-punchers are not sold that Flash is the answer.
In fact, this crowd seems to suggest Jameis is the wrong quarterback for Flash.
They broke down in the video linked above Jackson’s prowess at the deep ball and Jameis’ struggles, and they wondered aloud if Jameis is just a bad quarterback throwing deep or if Mike Evans is simply a bad deep threat receiver.
Joe will wait for the season to unfold before throwing rocks at the Jameis-Jackson connection.
But here is the thing: for the folks who kvetch about Jameis and his deep ball issues, you really want to turn the clock back three years when the Bucs had no quarterback and a career loser like Josh McCown, the Wrongo Starr of the NFL, leading the offense? Just a hunch, but a spreadsheeter could probably run a program to come up with numbers to support that McClown was a better deep ball passer than Jameis.
Teams are making desperate trades for rotten quarterbacks and signing unproven guys to insane contracts because they are so starved for a QB; do you want the Bucs to return to that pathetic crapfest?
Is that what you want, you Jameis whiners? Because McClown is still on the street.
March 17th, 2017 at 6:50 am
The future is so bright I have to wear Sun Glasses!
The Bucs will avoid a loosing season for the next 10 years!!!!
You can take that to the bank!
Don’t be jealous trolls!!!
In Jameis we trust!!!
March 17th, 2017 at 7:18 am
It isn’t just the deep ball – he opens the middle of the field as defense has to respect the whole field play deep safety 1 or 2 high – man these people just don’t know the game – the 20 yard daggers are what kill defenses and with both of them on the field that play is there all day every day almost unstoppable- can’t wait to watch this O!!!!!
March 17th, 2017 at 7:21 am
His name is DeSean Jackson not D.Trump… we need to give this guy a chance to see if he and Jameis can be special! Build a wall…but not in Mexico dumb a$$!!
March 17th, 2017 at 7:35 am
Take it back even further than that to the Free Free days when these here boards were flooded by all the Freemanite apologists and me and Couch were a united front against them lol. Those were some hellish days. No Thank you.
Jameis is a beacon of hope.
March 17th, 2017 at 7:46 am
I’m not a troll, but if Licht doesn’t fix the Center and Right Tackle positions, JW won’t live long enough to throw deep to DJax…..Hawley proved his knees and weight (270) are a problem, he’s not wine, he’s not getting better with age, and Dotson at the top of his game, in his prime, was average at best, now 32ish, and injured every year, the best depth is our starting guard Pamphile, or our 5th round guard/tackle Benenoch
March 17th, 2017 at 7:52 am
Saying Winston has not thrown the deep ball well historically does not mean anyone wants Trash McCown back. Hyperbole much?
Another case of stats suck when they don’t conform to the narrative I’m peddling. To be sure, stats will be called on to bolster a different narrative real soon!
March 17th, 2017 at 7:55 am
His deep ball can be correlated to time in the pocket…which Jameis has been under constant blitzing or blocking breakdowns since day one. It’s hard to get downfield when you don’t have time for a play to develop AND the one guy you have faith in is double covered. Seems like that’s why Brate and Humphries have succeeded. Evans pulls so much coverage deep leaving room in the middle for those two to work underneath
March 17th, 2017 at 8:00 am
Winstons strength is throwing into Windows.
His long ball accuracy is horrendous
March 17th, 2017 at 8:01 am
Pointing out Jameis’s flaws doesn’t mean u want Loser Lovie’s boy at the helm. Just means you want Jameis to improve and get better he’s still too turnover prone and inconsistent to earn that franchise label, yet
March 17th, 2017 at 8:02 am
Nah that’s a stretch, even with time he’s struggled with deep ball accuracy.
I’m hoping that it’s something he is working to fix though.
I’m certain he will
March 17th, 2017 at 8:05 am
Deep ball was never a problem at FSU. I would argue it’s really not a problem now. Historically we have lacked players that can separate. That is being addressed now.
March 17th, 2017 at 8:11 am
It’s not the deep pass that is the value of Djax….it’s the deep pass threat that counts…..it’s also the shorter passes with YAC…..
I do think he can catch up to some of the Jameis overthrows. If Jameis can improve his deep passing game (not likely)…..we are golden.
March 17th, 2017 at 8:18 am
Good point Tampabay! The threat of the deep ball is as big of a weapon as the deep ball itself.
To the accuracy issues, he’s really never had a “speed” guy to throw to. I’m confident that his #s will improve in this area.
March 17th, 2017 at 8:21 am
Did they calculate Jameis’ super accurate and best in NFL crossing routes? Djax will be doing more than running posts all on every down.
March 17th, 2017 at 8:24 am
What he did at FSU and what he’s doing now are two entirely different thing.
But again, hoping it’s fixable.
March 17th, 2017 at 8:45 am
You would be crazy to ignore the fact that he isn’t accurate deep but we will know soon enough if Jackson changes that. Winston needs to step this part of his game up, I believe he will.
March 17th, 2017 at 8:45 am
I have high hopes for D-Jax and the continued progression of Jameis, but after Alvin Harper and Burt Emanuel, let’s show some cautious optimism. There are still holes up and down this roster.
March 17th, 2017 at 8:46 am
RG3 was a deep ball specialist & Johnny Football threw a pretty deep ball as well. The point is that’s basically all they had in their arsenal other than scrambling. Jameis is the prototypical pocket passer who has underappreciated scrambling ability. Maybe messing with his throwing mechanics has screwed up his accuracy a bit, IDK. I just hope his accuracy really jumps into the low 60’s this season. The short to intermediate throws weren’t always accurate either but I’m positive that he will work it out. It didn’t help that he was constantly running for his life last year behind that porous offensive line.
March 17th, 2017 at 8:48 am
Desean Jackson’s average yards per catch from what I remember is like 17.9 last year. Jameis best throws are in the intermediate 20 yard range. Sounds like a a match made in heaven for most of Desean’s routes.
Desean made 5 plays over 50 yards last year, he had plenty of catches in that 20 yard range too.
March 17th, 2017 at 8:48 am
What is with this article and some of our responses? Yes he has been rough with deep passes but he’s going into his third year. LOL All quarterbacks take time to develop. This is common sense. Jameis is skilled in the fact he can throw windows and is excellent with play action and under duress. He needs work on throwing receivers open deep. It’s not something that can’t be fixed. Some of you are questioning whether he improves or are pessimistic that he can’t. HE ABSOLUTELY CAN. AND WILL.
I’m still not sure how some fans are unsure of what djax will do for this team. He is a game changer. Jameis will pass deep a lot more and djax will be able to catch them more often than evans. Don’t take my word for it, the play will speak for itself. Stop questioning the move and prepare for a very exciting year.
March 17th, 2017 at 8:57 am
Guzzle you nailed it. Center and RT must be upgraded.
March 17th, 2017 at 9:08 am
I touched on this before, Winston is terrible on the deep ball. I’ve yet to see him hit on a deep ball, Sorry Winstonites but Cousins is a better quarterback atleast much more accurate.
March 17th, 2017 at 9:10 am
Freeman was a better deep ball QB. Heck who isn’t.
March 17th, 2017 at 9:13 am
Evans ran a 4.53 40. Kelvin Benjamin ran a 4.53. Rashad Greene ran a 4.53.
Take those numbers and do what you will with them, as I have no idea where I’m going with it. Maybe what I’m trying to say is KB and Greene played with JW at FSU and caught plenty of deep balls all while running at the same speed as Evans.
Perhaps the Bucs did tinker with their new toy too much? Yes I know college is a different animal, but he still threw them the ball. He still hit them deep. It did happen. He located WR’s downfield and connected. It did happen.
March 17th, 2017 at 9:21 am
It’s just the time of the year for kvetching….#3 missed some throws…ME13 dropped a LOT of balls in ’15…NO Buc WR has had separation running deep routes and then there is the question of protection!
Our problem completing deep balls is a TEAM problem and putting ALL the blame on #3 is just not accurate.
We now have a WR who CAN get separation on deep routes…who will be able to come back for underthrown or less than perfect bombs…the biggest question for me is who plays RT?
There were games when Gosder played that the LDE was in #3’s face right at the snap of the ball…it was literally like putting a blocking sled out there and letting an LDE simply run around it. I get the importance of an LT to protect #3’s “blindside” but a total lack of an RT can be just as devastating for a right handed QB. Right handed QB’s are obviously more effective scrambling to their right…not running away from a direct rush right in his rush.
I agree our Center play was weak but I think that mainly hurt our running game…#3 was constantly under assault from LDE’s who had a free run at him snap after snap.
Fix RT…bolster the Center position…get a true stud RB and then play action fakes will let us see what #3 can do with a deep ball. Safeties will not be able to simply double cover ME13 on EVERY play. It will be interesting to see if ME13 can get more separation now that he’s going to be competing against just one DB instead of 2.
DJAX’s very presence makes this team better on offense…IF we get an RB and a RT and strengthen the C position.
March 17th, 2017 at 9:33 am
Calling it now, Jameis will be a better Quarterback than we’ve seen him be as a Buccaneer.
Going into his 3rd season, and being the furiously dedicated worker he is, The great mechanics changes that are being made will start to sink into his muscle memory.
With the addition of Desean Jackson in FA, and whatever weapons we add in the Draft. My dream Scenario currently Is David Njoku or Garrett Bolles rnd 1, Budda Baker rnd 2, Samaje Perine rnd 3, Trey Hendrickson rnd 4, Josh Robinson rnd 5, and Tarik Cohen in rnd 6.
March 17th, 2017 at 9:38 am
Nobody even mentions McClown except you. But now that you do, also remember the line Loser Lovie and Licht put together. McClown and Glennon got the h3ll beat out of them. How could they throw it long? At least Jameis has some kind of a line and time to work with.
March 17th, 2017 at 9:39 am
I say Njoku and not Howard because it’s virtually guaranteed he will be a high pick at this point.
March 17th, 2017 at 10:16 am
I said it a couple of weeks ago. That JW is a bad deep pass QB and it’s related to his mechanics. Again, I very happy with JW. But he has a lot of work to do throw like a QB and not a pitcher. The year of his draft there was a Analysis (can’t remember which network, BPSN or NFL) that showed the throwing mechanics of QBs that were pinpoint deep pass throwers and those that were erratic. Unfortunately the film show the throwing flaws in JW and it has played out that way.
March 17th, 2017 at 10:26 am
Honestly Joe and the rest–I’ve been worried as well about this. Watching jacksons highlights I actually said “am I the only one worried Winston can’t make that throw” and I’m a die hard Winston supporter
March 17th, 2017 at 10:51 am
Off the top of my head I can think pf at LEAST 6-12 deep passes that he has made… Halft of them where catchable… Hald of those got caught… By my calculations thats 50% accuracy (good enough) and 25% caught (sucks) and 25% defend rate (sucks).
Bottom line… Everyone has room for improvement. It is the biggest room available in any given organization. Thus LOOK FOR EVERYONE TO IMPROVE with the Flash Factor now on the BOAT…
March 17th, 2017 at 10:53 am
At any rate I fully expect Winston to improve his overall game. That should be good enough to advance the Bucs chances going forward.
March 17th, 2017 at 10:57 am
A lot of Winstons deep ball problem comes from throwing it late and the Saftey getting there before the ball. He just needs to trust the WR and throw on time. I think he’ll get better at his deep ball timing and limit his overthrows.
March 17th, 2017 at 10:58 am
Me and my brother usually text each other first or second drive and say “good Winston today or bad Winston today” because honestly so far that’s how it’s gone. He missed every single deep throw and quite honestly ray was the reason we didn’t have a 50 yard play and a big reason we watched the playoffs. Time and time again a game could’ve been won on it
March 17th, 2017 at 11:09 am
Not sure why we are mentioning 2015 when Evans completely got rid of the dropsies in 2016
March 17th, 2017 at 11:12 am
And point is that even when everything is perfect and he has time and the WR is doing everything he’s supposed to do, his biggest problem is making that throw.
Jameis isn’t perfect, ITS OKAY for people to point out what they feel he needs to work on and that frankly is a part of his game he needs to improve on.
That said, when he learns how to settle down in games and get that veterans poise, I believe he will start making those throws as I have seen him make them in the past.
March 17th, 2017 at 11:18 am
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ICBcBUY7_mE
2:10 is what everyone wants to see…
After you note that NONissue… NOTE where all the scoring happens… The deep threat is just that… A threat…
VJax needs to be resigned PLEASE…..
JW needs to stick to what he does best… Make plays… DJax will only provide him the deep option AT TIMES… The rest of the time he is MONEY MONEY MONEY….
DONT BE A FAN OF DEPRESSION… This team is locked and loaded for the draft…
Only getting better from here till the Super Bowl runs(plural) are done…
BE A FAN OF INSPIRATION
March 17th, 2017 at 11:33 am
That’s a terrible way of trying to argue he doesn’t suffer from inaccuracy on his deep throws lol.
And it doesn’t make it a non issue cause you found a play he makes a throw on lol.
I don’t understand why people can’t understand that it’s ok to acknowledge a players flaws and still be a fan of said player.
March 17th, 2017 at 11:48 am
The point you missed even though I stated it clearly… Thats what everyone wants to see…
BUT IF YOU NOTED CORRECTLY. The scoring is done where?
Also you missed the BIGGER POINT… Its not a matter of if he can hit the deep ball… Its a matter of having the THREAT of it available…
Seeings how he has put enough on film along with DJax putting it on film… Its not acknowledging a problem thats the problem here….
IT ACKNOWLEDGING THERE IS NOT ONE thats the problem…
Mountain out of a mole hill… Thats the problem… You say tomato I say tomorrow… We are both right if we are both using the word properly…
March 17th, 2017 at 12:50 pm
At FSU Jameis had days to throw the ball. Sit back and pick defenses apart. But here he has 1.5 seconds to throw before 2 people are in his face. There’s the difference. But by all means let’s draft a CB at 19. Smh
March 17th, 2017 at 12:51 pm
Did those stat geeks also forgot that Jameis has a high QBr on the run while throwing deep smh these people still hating on my boy
March 17th, 2017 at 2:23 pm
I mean – the video highlights they show speak for themselves. Jackson running all over the field with major separation. And then you see Evans getting roughed up throughout his pattern and not having the ability to separate at all. Deep passes are timing passes. And when every pattern Evans runs is timed differently as he is getting bumped, held, and jostled – it is hard to throw that pattern. It is also easier for the safety to get over. The difference with Jackson is 1.) he is a smaller body to get pressed and he easily beats press coverage with one or two juke moves and 2.) Teams really don’t press him that much. It is too risky. One move and he is behind them. So Jackson simply needs to run 10 yards, do a head fake or an in/out fake, and he is 2 yards behind he corner. Evans is basically in a UFC fight on almost every pattern.
Winston really has never had a receiver with whom he can get down in synch on solid timing deep passes. Now he does.
March 17th, 2017 at 3:04 pm
DJax’ pressence does more than open up the deep pass. It open up everything underneath as well. Evan Brate and Hump could see their receptions rise dramatically. Of course it is possible defense keep things covered underneath until Jameis proves he can hit it deep with consistently, but I think DJax is just too fast
March 17th, 2017 at 3:06 pm
Too fast not to force defensive adjustments that is.
March 17th, 2017 at 6:55 pm
I’m hoping for the best, but Winstons strong suit is definitely not the deep ball or accuracy. I seriously hope he’s working on his mechanics and release this offseason. Or we will have a 30 mill dollar investment we can’t gar the ball to. She should hire Kurt warner to work with him this entire offseason.
March 17th, 2017 at 6:56 pm
Lol he not she
March 17th, 2017 at 7:33 pm
The hate Jameis still gets is unreal. Lmao he’s OUR starting QB. We need to embrace OUR QB. And even is Jameis is slightly off on his deep balls, would you rather have McClown back there?
March 17th, 2017 at 9:26 pm
Our team is looking better than it has in years leading up to the draft. Other than a hole at safety, our Bucs are in position to draft best player available, without a pressing need at any one position in my humble opinion. I’d love to see either dynamic rb\ rec or stud te… Dalvin Cook would give us Dunn 2.0 , John Ross would give us a sick #3 receiver behind Evans, Djax, and either OJ or kid from the U would create matchup nightmares with Brate at Te. In that scenario id love to see Bubba Baker in 2nd round at safety. But with the couple solid free agents we have acquired, there is not a manor need to add a #2 wr via first round. DJax was best option for us with exception of maybe Cooks from saints. So all the nonsense that Djax is not gonna be a welcomed addition is asinine. We dont need him to be our main go to guy, he will flourish in Tampa with his skill set. And Winston has major upside going into his 3rd year so the deep ball accuracy will come in my opinion…and who better than DJax to add into the mix
March 17th, 2017 at 10:53 pm
SuperSam,
Did you know that before the Bucs JW was known for His accuracy, both in High school and College. So, what happened?
Please save the mechanics = accuracy. They go together as well as peanut butter and mayo. Basically it’s fan speak.
March 18th, 2017 at 12:34 am
No I saw what you were saying, and Im saying showing a pass competition doesn’t change all the other times they were incompletions.
The scoring is done plenty of times by the pass itself BTW lol smh 😉
But thanks for trying to make it seem like I’m incompetent. Even though you clearly said it we should not the “nonissue” because of one completion.
And P.S. It cannot be considered a “threat” if teams aren’t afraid of the connection being made.
March 18th, 2017 at 12:35 am
completion*
note*
March 18th, 2017 at 9:27 am
Mark my words.
By the end of this season, Darrel Walker will have had a better year stat-wise than DeSean Jackson. Won’t even be close.