Dalvin Cook Stock Dropping
March 22nd, 2017
Falling
The latest on stud Florida State running back Dalvin Cook will have some Bucs fans celebrating passionately while others will get even more nervous about next month’s draft.
Yes, the Bucs should draft a running back, and legions of locals want it to be the dynamic, versatile Cook.
But yesterday, NFL.com super draft guru Mike Mayock, a guy Joe respects immensely, dropped Cook in his rankings as the No. 1 back in the draft to No. 3 overall. Beastly Leonard Fournette out of LSU moved up to No. 1, while Christian McCaffrey from Stanford climbed from No. 2 to No. 3
And this came on the heels of an anonymous NFL.com poll of 20 team representatives asking who they prefer, Fournette or Cook. Fournette was the clear winner.
This is great news if you want Cook to wear Bucs colors and fulfill his “dream come true” to play for the Buccaneers. It likely means the odds of Cook falling to the Bucs at the No. 19 overall pick have improved.
However, this also could scare a lot of Bucs fans who don’t want Tampa Bay to draft Cook. They will breathe a sigh of relief if Cook is off the board when it’s time for general manager Jason Licht to pick in the first round.
Of course, then there’s the McCaffrey fans like Tampa Bay’s only Hall of Fame voter, JoeBucsFan.com columnist Ira Kaufman, who is McCaffrey fan when it comes to what he could mean for the Bucs offense.
The only thing Joe can guarantee is the Bucs will draft running back at some point during the NFL’s three-day spring festival of hope.
March 22nd, 2017 at 12:09 pm
Draft McCaffrey then grab Marlon Mack. 1-2 punch for years! Crazy? Just a little bit.
March 22nd, 2017 at 12:10 pm
One thing you failed to mention Joe, from that Casserly Quote, he still had Cook going to the Jets at number 6. That tells me the teams that like Cook like him a lot and have early picks…
March 22nd, 2017 at 12:11 pm
The media does not make draft choices for teams and as Joe pointed out regarding McDougall the media has no clue what teams are thinking. About those 20 team (unidentified, cheerleaders maybe?) representatives, who are you going to believe during the NFL’s smoke screen season? Its all just click bait.
March 22nd, 2017 at 12:13 pm
go away dalvin cook talk…he wont be there, or is even worth it at #19…Denver wont let mccaffrey get past #15…we’re looking elsewhere > WR or Safety
March 22nd, 2017 at 12:16 pm
Pass on Cook. Draft Marlon Mack in round 3 (hopefully he’s still there).
March 22nd, 2017 at 12:17 pm
But if you ask nole homers he’s the next AP and Faulk combined and will be a HOFer from day 1…
It’s the silly season who knows what is true or not. All I know is I’m staying away from RB in round 1
March 22nd, 2017 at 12:23 pm
As a FSU & BUCS fan..I rember watching Devonta Freeman on Saturdays and thinking he has it…gonna be playing on Sundays & playing well.He wasnt high on many lists….Same thing I have seen in Dalvin Cook. I mean honestly, anyone who watched a Seminoles game over past couple years has to have noticed that Cook was electric. He will carry those skills on in the NFL and make someone very happy they drafted him. HOPEFULLY ITS TAMPA , and I am not being a homer because I am a FSU fan. Freeman had it, and Cook has it as well.
March 22nd, 2017 at 12:27 pm
Denver doesnt pick at 15 Miko. Study up. N it doesnt matter what the “experts” say as we saw with the bradley mcdougald deal. Only takes one team to like a guy. There will be many surprises in the 1st round, like always. Go bucs
March 22nd, 2017 at 12:30 pm
As I stated in yesterdays Dalvin Coom article, I’m afraid that his shoulder injuries caused his ball security issues. 10 of his 11 (12?) fumbles came in the seasons after he had shoulder surgery.
If his shoulder is all good then Im fine with the pick, if there is a chance he can re-injure it then personally, I would pass on him.
As long as we get a starting RB I’m good. Not worrying about when they take one anymore.
March 22nd, 2017 at 12:32 pm
@d-roca
…DUH, i aint that dumb, maybe you are…they’ll trade up to get him
March 22nd, 2017 at 12:33 pm
I would love for the Bucs to draft Taco Charlton at some point. That guy looked like a beast against FSU. Love his heart. Kid has a motor that never quits. But I would also love to get Dalvin Cook. He will be a start as long as he stays healthy.
March 22nd, 2017 at 12:35 pm
Earlier I said that if Cook is there at 19, take him, but after reading more about his injury history (shoulder, ankle, hamstring), I’m getting nervous and concerned that this could be problematic in the future. He has great ability, but the best ability is availability.
Maybe the best course of action is to draft another position of need first, I’m thinking WR/TE, CB/Safety or DE.
Then draft an RB in the 2nd or 3rd. Plenty to choose from and my personal favorite is Joe Mixon (6’1 and 226) dynamite and explosive talent.
March 22nd, 2017 at 12:36 pm
Cook v MCaffery is like Jameis v Marcus. 2 different skill sets but both still excellent. I prefer Cook personally, I trust the eye test and the pedigree of FSU backs. I would love him in the 1st (or MCaffery) and another RB in the 3rd or 4th. Mack is very intriguing in the 4th. I would love to see Engram in the second or a RT or C. Freddie Stevens in the 6th or 7th for blocking and pass protection. Still need another WR as well.
March 22nd, 2017 at 12:38 pm
*McCaffery- stupid autocorrect
March 22nd, 2017 at 12:41 pm
Because of his slow 40 time, like I said, he’s just another RB. I mean look at Doug Martin college highlights, they were more impressive.
March 22nd, 2017 at 12:46 pm
John Ross or OJ Howard
March 22nd, 2017 at 12:47 pm
@ Joe
“climbed from No. 2 to No. 3”
I think you meant he climbed from No. 3 to No. 2.
March 22nd, 2017 at 12:53 pm
ALL THE PRE DRAFT IS A JOKE, what changed from 2 weeks ago? NOTHING!!!They HAVE to keep the Sheep entertained. Why do they put out 3 and 4 and 5 mock drafts after Free Agency? What a waste of time….
March 22nd, 2017 at 12:55 pm
I think that Cook could be really good. Maybe have him, Rodgers and Sims split the work load and form a “three headed monster”. That would keep defenses on their toes and keep Cook from the excessive beating a bell cow takes.
March 22nd, 2017 at 1:06 pm
😂McCaffery a better RB than Dalvin now that’s funny..
March 22nd, 2017 at 1:09 pm
No suprise
March 22nd, 2017 at 1:10 pm
If you have difficulties breaking tackles in college how are you suppose to fair inn the nfl. The dude is a WR just like his dad. That’s why he felt disrespected at the combine. Because the RBs were clowning him for being in that grouping.
March 22nd, 2017 at 1:13 pm
cooks the best rb idc what the experts are saying it’s late in draft season and they’re just trying to make a new story put back on the tape and you’ll be saying exactly the same thing as me
March 22nd, 2017 at 1:18 pm
He’s a shoe-in for the first round pick…. if he can kick too!
March 22nd, 2017 at 1:26 pm
Cook is a fumbling machine.
I’d prefer McCaffrey over Cook.
March 22nd, 2017 at 1:26 pm
“while Christian McCaffrey from Stanford climbed from No. 2 to No. 3”
Typo? Did you mean from No. 3 to No. 2, J0E?
March 22nd, 2017 at 1:30 pm
McCaffery is much more versatile and would be very useful in the slot and all the backfield positions. I don’t think he will last until 19, but I wish he would. Otherwise, I think we should look at Ramczykor Bolles at OT. If we went WR Mike Williams might be there, Njoku looks real nice at TE too.
March 22nd, 2017 at 1:35 pm
I prefer best player available at a position of need. For once, the Bucs are in a position to do it right.
If that happens to be a RB, that’s fine. If it’s a Safety, DE, Center, WR or even a CB, I’m fine with that too.
What I don’t want to see is looking back and seeing a bust in round one.
Round two? Well, the odds seem to be stacking against Licht in round two these days, unless Aguayo turns things around.
Whoever we draft, I hope to shore up positions of need for years to come.
March 22nd, 2017 at 1:41 pm
I haven’t seen enough of Cook to really know why he is so hyped, but based on measurables I’m assuming he has amazing vision, right? Emmitt Dmith is always my go-to on that, his messurables weren’t exciting either, in fact it caused the Bucs to pass on him after they made a trade just before the draft for Gary Anderson. Everyone that did mocks back then had the Bucs taking Emmitt prior to that trade. Between that and Bo Jackson and trading away Steve Young, man.
BTW Anderson had one of the great goalline carries of all time in the preseason when he seemingly jumped into the end zone over the defenders starting around the 4 or 5 yard line. He had a similar carry in the regular season that wasn’t nearly as impressive that you’ll see in highlights now and again, but I’ve never seen that preseason one since I was a kid (which means it probably isn’t anything like I remember). Anyone remember this?
March 22nd, 2017 at 1:44 pm
Dalvin will fall to us in the 2nd round. Screenshot this.
Why would you draft mccaffrey don’t we already have a mccaffrey in simms? Educate me.
March 22nd, 2017 at 1:52 pm
BPA in 1st.
Fanman drops mic! LOL
March 22nd, 2017 at 1:52 pm
Dalvin will transform our offense to an elite status if we are fortunate enough to draft him.
The Bucs have perhaps the worst running backs in the NFL we need help possibly more than any other team at the running back position
March 22nd, 2017 at 1:53 pm
Dalvin Cook in the top 20 would be an invitation to Josh Freeman or Cadillac Williams-level buyers’ remorse. Like the 2 1st rounders i mentioned, there is undeniable talent there, but it’s not hard to get the feeling that something significant and unfortunate will keep him from maximizing that talent in the NFL
March 22nd, 2017 at 1:54 pm
I don’t see McCaffrey as an every down back. He’s talented and dynamic but I can’t see him grinding out too many of those runs between the tackles.
March 22nd, 2017 at 2:04 pm
DB55… really you honestly think Sims is of the same talent level as CMac, Sims is much bigger and is actually faster, but he’s no where near tougher or more durable, plus the most underrated thing between a good RB like a Doug Martin, and a great RB like (Bell, Emmitt, Faulk etc) is vision. CMac appears to have great vision, will it translate to the pros is yet to be determined, as much as I like CMac, the difference between getting a top Tackle, DL, or S far oout weighs the need for a 1st round RB or WR only because the difference between a Cook/CMac is as wide from the multiple options in rounds 2-4
March 22nd, 2017 at 2:06 pm
Isn’t as wide I meant between 1st round RB n WR as the talent of WR/RBs available in later rounds
March 22nd, 2017 at 2:09 pm
@DB55
I get what you’re saying. McCaffrey and Sims do have similar skill sets, although imo McCaffrey is the more talented of the two. It wouldn’t shock me at all if they pass on McCaffrey if Cook and Fournette are gone.
March 22nd, 2017 at 2:09 pm
No thanks Unless he drops to round 2.
I see a WR, DB, DL and RB in the first 4 rounds but do not think they should take a RB until at least round 2.
I do not believe in round 1 RBs unless you think you are getting a HOFer, otherwise they are very interchangeable.
March 22nd, 2017 at 2:12 pm
I wouldn’t call 11 fumbles over three seasons a machine. How bout y’all go look at PFF’s list and see who sits atop that one. DB you wanna bet something??? 2nd round??? Put some cash up to h3ll wit screen shot.
March 22nd, 2017 at 2:15 pm
I would try to refute the lies your telling right now @$$nole on every day, but its not worth it.
Ima just let your delusion persist. It would be really funny if it weren’t so sad.
March 22nd, 2017 at 2:16 pm
Agree with Bonzai that Bucs need to go with BPA in the 1st rnd. We’ve got multiple needs (RB, WR, TE, C, DE/DT, Safety) but I’d really prefer us draft someone who had very little history of injuries through college. Cook concerns me now from the injury perspective, as does John Ross. A high quality TE or C or DE/DT can be just as valuable in the long run to the team as a RB or WR. Wouldn’t be at all surprised to see Licht draft 2 RBs this year … 1 like Marlon Mack & the other a true bruiser (the Mike Alstott type).
March 22nd, 2017 at 2:22 pm
Ocala Says
“The Bucs have perhaps the worst running backs in the NFL we need help possibly more than any other team at the running back position.”
I disagree with this statement, but I don’t see how adding another will hurt matters.
March 22nd, 2017 at 2:30 pm
Shut yo dumb@$$ up blake. Did not your boy Pop show you his data on the subject just last night.
March 22nd, 2017 at 2:31 pm
He stated he went an check the game loggs @$$hole. He said by his count over his tenure the total came up to 11 f@$#boi.
March 22nd, 2017 at 2:31 pm
I’m not going to lie when I saw McCaffrey he did not look that appealing but but I don’t go by stats or combine I go by the tape while I love cook I would not be mad if we took home at 19 honestly if cook or Davis not there I trade back a pick McCaffrey use that pick to get buda baker he’s a safety I feel will is 💯 % better than B-mac & trade back in & get another WR but back to McCaffrey he can break tackles he’s good on the inside he’s just a Swiss Army knife that kotter will use wisely
March 22nd, 2017 at 2:33 pm
And feel free to continue clinging to my nutt$@c. But like I told you last week come draft night I’ma need you to let loose okay.
March 22nd, 2017 at 2:33 pm
Initially, I felt Cook would be the best option if availible… I’m good with bpa at 19, as long as there is an attempt to get as many weapons on offense possible. Needs are RB, TE, WR, Ol.. The other three picks can shore up any level on defense.
March 22nd, 2017 at 2:34 pm
Yea I counted 11 fumbles when I went through his game logs. No idea where Jenna Laine got 16 fumbles from lol
March 22nd, 2017 at 2:34 pm
Its still a lot tho lol
March 22nd, 2017 at 2:35 pm
I would not draft a RB in round 1, any of them. Defense is where 1’st round focus should be, unless one of the top 2 WRs are still on the board, but doubtful. The Bucs don’t need Cook IMO.
March 22nd, 2017 at 2:36 pm
Ah, more delusion from the delusional. What a shock. Hope you don’t cry too hard on draft night there guy.
March 22nd, 2017 at 2:45 pm
And “lying season” is full swing! It’s all obfuscation and illusion from NFL offices right now. No one is going to admit anything at all about who they might take, might like better, etc. Anonymous Poll? For all we know the facility janitor voted for some of these teams OR it wasn’t taken seriously. So what if, for instance, the Pats or Dirty Birds, say they like Fournette better? They ain’t drafting an RB and neither of those guys will slip to them…unless they lie and make someone’s stock slip. It’s lying season…nothing to see here
March 22nd, 2017 at 2:45 pm
Yeah and the fact that the vast majority of those fumbles came in seasons after surgery on ehat seems to be a recurring injury.
In my experience, recurring injuries tend to get worse the more they are aggravated.
March 22nd, 2017 at 2:46 pm
And to be clear, I wasn’t looking up Cook’s number of fumbles to see how many he actually had, I was looking to see when they happened. I was afraid that his shoulder was causing those issues.
Sure enough, as I mentioned earlier in this post, 10 of the 11 fumbles I counted came in the seasons after he had shoulder surgery. If he continues to have shoulder problems it could effect his ball security in a negative way. That scares me.
March 22nd, 2017 at 2:49 pm
Watched the young man the whole time be was in school. Honestly never heard of shoulder issues until jbf. They surely didn’t cause problems last season. Again 758 yards after contact. 22 reps of 225 at the combine. Please.
March 22nd, 2017 at 2:56 pm
Guzzie and Joey
Thank you.
March 22nd, 2017 at 2:58 pm
Exactly Nole on Sat Buc on Sun
March 22nd, 2017 at 3:05 pm
Oh an when you go and check that PFF list of RBs that they have him ranked #1 on you’ll see them stating he lead the nation in forced missed tackles as well. But I’m delusional.. Rriiigghhtt.
March 22nd, 2017 at 3:05 pm
All the FSU homers..smdfh..
Bet if he wasn’t a FSU guy no one would mention Cook so much..
I vote NO on him..give me McCaffery if we go that route..
March 22nd, 2017 at 3:07 pm
Man I wish I had it like some of y’all. Unfortunately I gotta get to work. Middle finger up to my competition.
March 22nd, 2017 at 3:07 pm
Jabril Peppers, please. He can legitimately play 6 different positions in all 3 phases of the game. LB, S, CB, WR, RB, PR/KR.
March 22nd, 2017 at 3:11 pm
Lol, Cook is a much bettee running back than McCaffrey. McCaffrey can’t block and he falls to the ground if anyone touches him. The Bucs or any team in need of a RB would be crazy to pass on DC, specially for CM.
March 22nd, 2017 at 3:12 pm
Lol i bet you got one of this cushy jobs, i been carrying 40 pound toilets and 30 pound toilet tanks up 3 flights of stairs for 2 straight days.
March 22nd, 2017 at 3:13 pm
#ShookforCook
He will the BPA @19 for Bucs’ plan for their Offensive attack!
It’s #WeaponsforWinston this offseason
Can’t wait til this Draft is over!
March 22nd, 2017 at 3:51 pm
@Nosbos
His shoulder did cause problems last season. Not in yards, but in the form of fumbles.
In the spring of 2014 he had shoulder surgery to fix a torn labrum. During that season he fumbled 4 times.
2015 he had no shoulder injuries and he reduced his fumble totals to just 1 on the season.
In the spring of 2016 he had shoulder surgery again and during that season his fumbles increased to 6. 6 fumbles would have led the NFL for RBs last season. 5 was the most and Cook obviously played less games.
March 22nd, 2017 at 3:55 pm
We all know how Koetter feels about the importance of turnovers. If Cook’s shoulder will continue to be an issue then it is possible that his fumbles will continue to be an issue. If his shoulder is fully healed and the doctors think that it won’t be a recurring thing then his ball security issues will most likely go down.
March 22nd, 2017 at 4:01 pm
Corey Davis or Dalvin Cook if either are available or it’s possible to trade up a little to get them.
I’ve never heard of a good RB who’s career was ended because of fumbles. Tiki Barber had fumbling issues at the start of his career. Mike Alstott was notorious for fumbling (because he liked to stay up and showed the ball to the swarm of defenders).
If Joeypoppems can find any NFL back who’s career was derailed because they couldn’t hold on to the ball let me know. Heck, even “The Fumble” Earnest Byner had more 1k yard seasons after his notorious play in 1987 (2) than before (and a career that went 11 more years).
March 22nd, 2017 at 4:02 pm
Any *premier NFL back. Obviously a scrub that fumbles the ball isn’t going to last very long.
March 22nd, 2017 at 4:05 pm
@Tom S.
Its not just fumbling. Its fumbling potentially due to an injury that he has had multiple times. As I said, if his shoulder is fine then the fumbles will probably go away. If his shoulder injuries are a recurring thing then the fumble problems will be a recurring thing.
Injuries derail careers. Injuries and turnovers aren’t a good mix. This really isn’t that complicated to understand
March 22nd, 2017 at 4:13 pm
Im not against anybody. I like them all. If I had to choose, I’d take McCaffrey. Cooks injury history scares me a bit so I hope they look good and hard into that. Thats my only criticism. Same with Ross.
March 22nd, 2017 at 4:17 pm
I don’t believe this for one second. They want you to believe how stock is dropping probably so playoffs teams have a shot at taking him. I love that this years draft is unpredictable, I could see d tackle, wide receiver, safety, running back being our first pick. Can’t wait to find out
March 22nd, 2017 at 4:19 pm
Can we have this same discussion/arguement tomorrow too? Please please please.
March 22nd, 2017 at 4:23 pm
Well at least its not the same Gmc argument thats been going on for years now DB.
You never seem to to get tired of that one.
March 22nd, 2017 at 4:24 pm
Maybe this idiocy is true.
While were at it lets get Cook and trade up for Ross.
Try stopping that.
March 22nd, 2017 at 4:26 pm
That damned Jason Licht lands 3 players on NFL.com’s “All-under-25 team” in Winston, Evans and Marpet. One has to believe Kwon is close to making this team as well.
Let’s fire his ass!!
March 22nd, 2017 at 4:32 pm
I’m going to laugh when they draft Forrest Lamp in the 1st and move him to center. The Tampa media and JBF message boards will erupt.
I’ll take Mayock’s 5th rated RB, Perine, and I’ll take him in the late 2nd, 3rd round range. I do not see Licht using a 1st round pick on a RB. Definitely not McCaffrey.
The depth chart next year will be Perine, Barber, Simms.
March 22nd, 2017 at 4:46 pm
Suggest the chemistry would be better with Cook…
March 22nd, 2017 at 4:46 pm
Just did this unrealistic mock going Cook in R1:
1-Dalvin Cook RB
2-Zay Jones WR
3-Pat Eflien C
4-Jake Butt TE
5-Trey Hendrickson DE
6-Shelton Gibson WR/KR
7-Freddie Stevenson FB
talk about #weaponsforwinston lol
March 22nd, 2017 at 4:49 pm
McCaffrey ,Cook, Davis, Ross,Howard, Njoku any one of these offensive players would greatly help us at pick 19. Weapons for Winston is the way to go.
March 22nd, 2017 at 4:59 pm
Don’t bash me guys lol. But I’d love to see us take Watt or Jordan Willis or Melifonwu in the 1st.
March 22nd, 2017 at 5:00 pm
I’d also take pat Elfein later in the 2nd. Dude seems like a stud center
March 22nd, 2017 at 5:03 pm
This draft is strong. U can get good players late. But this draft also doesn’t have very many blue chip players
March 22nd, 2017 at 5:08 pm
@Blake don’t be made at ppl with “cushy jobs”. I wish I had one. Im an electrician. I’ll say this for u tho, f**k those toilets. I had to install one for our shop and hated every minute of it
March 22nd, 2017 at 5:11 pm
Yo I’m telling y’all it’s Orange Julius Howard at #19. Either go DE or wr in 2nd then rb with 3rd. Howard will impact the heck out this offense.
Bradinator if you EVER use such a big and unknown word as “obsfuscation” on JBF.com I will personally kick you off his site! You about to cause a system crash cause some readers are barely above cromagman in the evolutionary table up here and some claim they’re grown but got mentalities of school chillens. You gots to use small s m a a a l l words up here with some of these guts. Don’t come up here getting all booshy up here with yer fancy words and whatnot! 😂😂😂😂😂😂 I’m just playin man I’m nobody. Welcome to the Den of Depression.com son!
March 22nd, 2017 at 5:14 pm
If Cook is available at #19, Winston might lobby hard for him. Are they BFFs off the field? So, unless Cook is available, I’d prefer the Bucs not spend a first round pick on a RB, especially considering that the position seems to be deep this year. There are plenty of other need positions to be taken that high: WR, DE, TE, CB.
March 22nd, 2017 at 5:16 pm
Clearly Ira gets it. Many on here do not.
March 22nd, 2017 at 5:26 pm
Howard, C. Davis, M. Williams D. Cook or C Mcfaffery in that order I’d be a happy camper.
March 22nd, 2017 at 5:26 pm
Koetter and Licht want tough players that love football which will eliminate McCaffery. You don’t sit out of a game that you love for fear of injuries. That’s soft and selfish.
Go up and get Cook.
March 22nd, 2017 at 5:27 pm
LOL at all the Nole fans getting panties in a bunch….over the idea that someone else may just be better than an FSU player. Cook is still #2 on my board behind CMac…Fournette is #3. LSU makes lousy NFL skill players. (Mike Clayton to name one of many)
Nothing makes me giggle more than when Steve and Lee write an article to stir up the fans…some of you cant help yourselves. I think they are working on their next MG8/JW3 comparison article for mid-season. Looking forward to it.
March 22nd, 2017 at 5:30 pm
for those who don’t recall – Jameis had a shoulder issue at the combine. Never was an issue at FSU, not one so far. Cook should IS NOT AN ISSUE. Cmon folks
March 22nd, 2017 at 5:34 pm
tmax
Stanford has Bryce Love to tote the pill now. He is their future; no need for McCaffery. Its called the business side going to the NFL. His agent told McCaffery to sit…nobody else. I think you will start seeing a lot more of this for players that are participating in lower bowl games with little meaning that have true first round talent. I am sure the Hyundai Sun Bowl was superb without him.
March 22nd, 2017 at 5:38 pm
It showed a complete disrespect to the game and his teammates. I want a player that wants to win as his priority not some prima Donna afraid to play
March 22nd, 2017 at 5:39 pm
Jaboo
First and foremost when it comes to injuries, impossible to compare two players…people heal differently and the injuries even have different classes so I think its apples and oranges comparing them since we dont know the grades of the injuries. Second, JW is really special man…. Cook is not at his level of player or person.
March 22nd, 2017 at 5:41 pm
@ArealBucsfan was it a wall mounted toilet or a floor mounted? Cause if it was a wall mount then yes I agree 100 percent they are a pain in the neck. But the floor mounts are pretty easy, just gotta be real delicate.
But yeah I’m working on a commercial Job right now, and me being the low man on the totem pole, and the strongest/ youngest, i’ve had to shake out 192 pieces of china in the last 3 days. 2/3’s of which were on the 2nd and 3rd floor. My legs feel like jelly lol.
March 22nd, 2017 at 5:45 pm
Tmax, you’re a strange cat. We’ve been over this already, he asked his teammates for their blessing before making his decision.
It was a meaningless game, and he had been playing through a hip bruise injury the entire year.
It’s literally a non-issue.
March 22nd, 2017 at 5:47 pm
Nos Bos would you take cook over myles garret
March 22nd, 2017 at 5:52 pm
Blessings blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
It’s about the desire to win. You have your reasons for liking the guy I have mine for not liking him nothing strange at all. You disagree and I ain’t buying your side simple as that
March 22nd, 2017 at 5:55 pm
Win what exactly? A participation trophy? The game meant nothing.
March 22nd, 2017 at 5:57 pm
You are missing the point. Winston desire to win would never allow him to sit out a game he was healthy enough to play in. McCaffery clearly does not share that same desire to win considering he punked out over being AFRAID to play
March 22nd, 2017 at 5:58 pm
Blake…thanks for adding the fact he went to his team to get their OK…I didnt know that.
tmax…I dont think he was “afraid to play”; thats nonsense. It is a business decision. I know its hard to fathom but this is not the 80-90s anymore when people played b-c they love the game and the coke and hookers…They are playing for the money now more than ever. If he plays in the bowl game gets MVP but blows out his knee, that would cost him probably 10+ MILLION dollars over the first 3-4 years of his NFL career. Would you play a low level bowl game or get that $$ for sure? Be honest with yourself.
March 22nd, 2017 at 5:59 pm
It could’ve been worse for McCaffrey. He could’ve quit on the field
March 22nd, 2017 at 6:05 pm
He battled through a bone bruise the entire season, explain to me how he punked out exactly?
March 22nd, 2017 at 6:11 pm
I am not dead set on Cook, but Mccaffrey is not and never will be better than Cook. Doesn’t break tackles nearly as well and vision is not as good. He is this year’s version of Reggie Bush, they are like the exact same player.
March 22nd, 2017 at 6:11 pm
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I love ALL of the top 3 backs and each have their pros and cons:
Fournette: Potential to be a dominant RB that carries the ball 25+ times a game and a TD machine … but also a higher potential to get injured and may never be a good receiver so might need to come off the field on many 3rd downs.
Earl Campbell 2.0?
Christian Mac: Potential to be the most dynamic back all-around back in the NFL and by far the best receiving back in the NFL … but also may never get more than 15 carries a game on the NFL level and could even become a mere slot receiver if he can’t handle NFL punishment from the RB position … will also probably come off the field in short yardage situations.
Roger Craig 2.0?
Cook: Potential to be a dynamic and dominant 3 down back with constant home-run potential … but also has some injury concerns.
Marshall Faulk 2.0?
Bottom Line: Cook seems like the most “sure thing” in the group, Fournette may have the highest ceiling as a pure runner and may put up the sickest “prime” stats but also have the shortest career, Christian Mac seems like the best bet to have the longest career as if and when playing RB is to much for him physically he could simply slide into the slot and play into his mid-30s.
Pick your poison and be happy with any of the three!
March 22nd, 2017 at 6:20 pm
I can’t believe someone defended McCaffrey by saying “he asked his teammates for their blessing.” I mean, sure, you can sit this one out because you want to cash in, but while i’m sacrificing myself to win this “meaningless” bowl game and potentially risking money, I will think nothing but great things of you knowing you quit on our season at the end.
What a great precedent to set. If you get close enough to the prize, just sit this one out. Meanwhile most top players have a insurance that pays out in the case of a injury that kills expected draft value, the colleges pony up for it so that good players don’t sit out the season.
March 22nd, 2017 at 6:25 pm
Rest in peace, Myrtle.
March 22nd, 2017 at 6:26 pm
If there’s ever Been a story more tired I can’t think of it. It’s just the same facts over and over again. I just have a vision of cook being there kiper saying they’re gonna go cook here then they trot out the name of a receiver or D lineman. I’m telling all of you now I used to think they were gonna get cook now I see them going Perine or the Toledo guy. Dude looks good on tape
March 22nd, 2017 at 6:30 pm
NFL nut. My dad is a browns Ramsay’s earl Campbell is the best ever. So the answer is no- fournette is not Campbell 2.0
March 22nd, 2017 at 6:42 pm
Blake_bucsfan
So first it’s OK because he asked his teammates permission to quit on them now it’s because he was hurt… Give me a break… Fear of injuries equals afraid to play
March 22nd, 2017 at 6:42 pm
Tom S. Not every scenario is the same. Not every player on that team is entering the draft this year, and the ones that are (Solomon Thomas and Corey Davis are the only 2 I know of) played in the game to improve their draft stock.
And as I’ve mentioned several times now, HE BATTLED THROUGH INJURY THE ENTIRE YEAR.
Under the current Fbs playoff tournament stucture, the bowl games have become meaningless. He didn’t sit out a playoff game, he didnt sit out the championship, he sat out a game played only for ticket sales and tv rstings.
And it wasn’t even a conference bowl game, it was against WMU, which is a Mac conference team. Christian McCaffrey had absolutely nothing to prove or gain by playing in that game. He made a business decision to get started on his rehab to get healthy for the combine. Any disdain over a decision like that is just wishy washy bull crap
March 22nd, 2017 at 6:45 pm
So now you are admitting he was injured all year thus injury prone. Good to know. I’ll take cook all day over a player afraid to play or so fragile they have to save themselves
March 22nd, 2017 at 6:47 pm
Tmax, sometimes I read one of your eloquently constructed comments, and I feel compelled to ask myself… “Is this guy the lord of trolling? Or is he actually serious?”
Just thought I’d let you know
March 22nd, 2017 at 6:50 pm
It was one injury, one. Also one of an impermenant nature, but one that is slow healing. Unlike Cook’s injuries, which seem to be recurrent, and effect his ball security in a major way.
March 22nd, 2017 at 6:53 pm
Lets just draft Mixon
March 22nd, 2017 at 6:55 pm
Corey Davis wasn’t in that game. Western Michigan played Wisconsin. Stanford played UNC. And yea, that Bowl Game is what set the Solomon Thomas hype train into high gear. He dominated.
March 22nd, 2017 at 6:58 pm
Fuuuuuuuuhhhhhh ur right dude holy crap. I am doofus now. Can’t believe I just brainfarted that hard.
March 22nd, 2017 at 7:01 pm
Happens to everybody lol
March 22nd, 2017 at 7:03 pm
@Dan Solaz I was reading an article eariler today on BR that Mixon has been impressng in his private interviews. Granted so too did Johnny Manziel, but it could be genuine.
And on the subject of Dalvin Cooks peppered criminal history, a scout was quoted saying “At this point I trust Joe Mixon more than Dalvin Cook.”
Just food for thought.
March 22nd, 2017 at 7:04 pm
You may be right … but then again, Fournette could be even better than Earl Campbell … my point was that I think Fournette may be insanely dominant but that his career may end long before it should due to the way he runs and seeks out contact, whereas I could see Cook playing for 8+ years and Christian Mac playing for 12+ years …
March 22nd, 2017 at 7:11 pm
Tarzan yes I would take him over Garret. For as much hype as he’s getting I don’t see the type of dominance from him that really warrants first over all. Shanan said it best with his physical attributes he should’ve left bodies all over the field behind him. Donut you nothing about the young man to proclaim he is nothing like Fameis. I saw Dalvin tough it out one weekend with two sore hammy’s. He would break fall down on his own, go to sideline get worked on and came back into the game each time. Ion know about you bro But to me that qualifies as some Fameis ishh if I ever seen any. Actually I was a fan prior to that but after witnessing him soldier thru that entire game I became an even BIGGER fan of the young man. So ion givea@$! bout any of y’alls opinion I’m ridin wit my G til the very end you understand.
March 22nd, 2017 at 7:17 pm
12 year at RB???
March 22nd, 2017 at 7:20 pm
If Fournette wasn’t a pri madona maybe he could play long enough to be better than Campbell. But I highly doubt that. These dudes often times today are more fixated on the lifestyle than they are being great man.
March 22nd, 2017 at 7:22 pm
LOL @ DB comparing Charles Simms to Christian McCaffrey. Simms’ Best season was only 1095 yards. Christian McCaffrey’s best season was over 2000 yards
March 22nd, 2017 at 7:26 pm
Rather have an ultra talented prima donna that runs like a Mac truck over a problem child that has a rap sheet ranging from armed robbery to mistreatment of little puppies. And there are rumblings that he drinks too much.
Throw that in with a significant, seemingly recurrent injury that effects his ablilty to hold on to the rock, and I say no freaking thank you.
Sounds waaaaaaayyyyy too much like ASJackass.
March 22nd, 2017 at 7:30 pm
NOSBOS … 12 years for Christian Mac? Yes. I explained that I could see him playing RB for a few years and then converting to a full-time slot receiver … I definitely think Mac will have the longest career and that it will probably end with him being a full-time slot receiver.
March 22nd, 2017 at 7:32 pm
Blake
so explain to me sir how not liking the same players as you makes one a troll??? McCaffery and Cook are dead even statistically nfl wise zero carries zero yards. you think mccaffery is a better choice I don’t… Us old folks used to call that a debate or a civil discussion with differing view points. I realize that the youngins have been taught that either a person agrees with you or they simply are a hater… Anyhow, Time will tell. I am always right by the way as you will come to notice…
March 22nd, 2017 at 7:34 pm
Pepper 1 …Mixon 2nd..
March 22nd, 2017 at 7:39 pm
McCafferey
March 22nd, 2017 at 7:42 pm
Speed speed speed. McCaffrey 20.45 mph…Adrian Peterson 22mph.. D Jax 22.6 mph… Dalvin Cook 23.0 mph. We already have a McCaffrey on the team…Adam Humphries. His 40 time is the same, benched more and if you watch the Rams game or Humpfries highlights , its just like Christian’s. hes just more polished coming out of college than hump was… Dalvin Cook doesn’t get caught from behind..
March 22nd, 2017 at 7:43 pm
You can not like him all you want, but when you construct a wishy washy false narrative about him being an injury prone, pusilanimous ninny that is afraid of the game, just because he didnt play in a meaningless gamw, that smells of trolling to me.
March 22nd, 2017 at 7:46 pm
Nope.
Draft Howard or Ross, Davis or Njoku, wait until 3 or 4th round to draft a RB.
March 22nd, 2017 at 7:46 pm
Where are you getting your stats? Cook at 23mph to Mac at just 20.45? Link please!
March 22nd, 2017 at 7:47 pm
LOLOLOLOL …..Atlbuc just compared Christian McCaffrey to Adam Humphries???? What a complete and total joke. You guys are cracking me up
March 22nd, 2017 at 7:48 pm
Christian McCaffrey runs a faster 40 time then Dalvin cook how can you be two and a half miles per hour slower?
March 22nd, 2017 at 7:49 pm
I went and watched Dalvin Cook highlights because I just didn’t ever see that much of him – and albeit it is just highlights – and I’m not sure what to think. The overwhelming vast majority of his big plays would never be made at the NFL level. There’s a lot of arm tackling that he breaks on these highlights, but again in the NFL you’re not breaking a lot of those as it was really bad tackling technique. His speed on these highlights looks pretty much like what he ran at the combine – he’s a guy with average to good speed, he’s not slow by any means but he’s not fast. He often would run away from lower tier teams and against better teams he’d get chased down a bit. He often had wide open holes so that doesn’t really tell you much about his running ability other than he hit the holes. He seems to have good vision, but again hard to tell from the highlights. The thing that stands out to me are the broken tackles, he’s just not going to be in a situation where he’s clearly the better player going against someone who doesn’t seem to know how to tackle, that’s not going to happen in the NFL. He does look like a 3 down back – so that is a big positive. In honesty, watching the film, he looks a lot like Doug Martin – which is a very positive thing since Doug Martin has been one of the top 2 or 3 RBs in football for 40% of his NFL seasons. I don’t know Cook’s injury history, if that’s a concern, but he doesn’t play a style that would lead me to think he’d get hurt. To me he looks like someone that could be a average NFL running back pretty much right out of the gate, and with some good offensive line play could have Doug Martin like seasons if given a heavy workload. He’s probably a better receiver than Doug, but he doesn’t appear to be quite a quick.
All of which makes me wonder… why would you draft him when you got Doug Martin? I mean there is a huge case to be made that if he can be anywhere close to as effective as Martin it’s well worth the pick if he can stay healthy, so from that angle it’s a no-brainer since we know even if Doug is back to being an elite runner because it’s an odd numbered year, he’ll turn into a pumpkin again next year.
So thinking about it more this could be a really good pick. Regardless of what the hater want to think, Doug Martin is a multi-time All-Pro for a reason, he’s a great running back – when his head in the game and he is healthy (and Dirk isn’t running him up the middle on every single first down when the defense has 17 people in the box hitting him 3 yards behind the LOS). If Cook is there and the WR we want isn’t, then sure, take Cook – BUT keep Martin and see if Martin is ready to play this year. If he is then great, give Martin the load and keep the milage on Cook low so when we do need him he’s ready to go. Also Cook does look like a 3 down guy, so that means it’s less of an issue if Sims leaves after this year as well.
Again based on highlights, I’d want to see more film of just your average plays up the middle and see how he’s reading the running lanes. One of the issues though is FSU is generally so much better than who they’re playing, it’s not always easy to find those mundane plays.
Also it was embarrassing to see how often USF showed up in the Cook highlights, and how god awful the tackling was there. I hope Strong can teach them how to tackle while not messing with the offense – if that happens they can build on that #18 preseason ranking.
March 22nd, 2017 at 7:49 pm
And Tmax drops his smart phonec (w/o an Otterbox)!
March 22nd, 2017 at 7:50 pm
@blake… I know , if Mixon didn’t knock out a woman, and I am disgusted by it ..he would be one of top rb drafted no doubt. I believe in the fact that these are all young men who will all make mistakes but that was pretty big character flaw IMO but I hope he moves on n doesn’t do anything close to that again. As far as Cook..IMO he is a product of his environment, grew up in bad area and still has friends from there..but I could be wrong but cant recall him doing anything to warrant being in trouble, other than hanging with “thugs & gang bangers” ..
March 22nd, 2017 at 7:54 pm
Hmmm …. Dalvin really can hit 23mph … WOW … that is flying!
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/florida-state-seminoles/chopping-block/os-fsu-dalvin-cook-beat-kermit-whitfield-race-20151021-post.html
March 22nd, 2017 at 7:59 pm
After watching Cook highlights I watched Christian McCaffrey highlights and however is saying he looks like Charles Sims…. you’re 100% accurate. The guy runs the same upright style. There’s only one guy I can think of that ran that upright style and was successful, and that was Eddie George. Now I only saw highlights but I don’t get the infatuation with McCaffrey, he doesn’t look like a NFL lead back, he plays almost like a skinny fullback. I could be off base completely, a lot of NFL people have him highly ranked, but based on like 10 mins of highlights, I see a mid round guy who is going to get injured in the NFL running that upright style. He’s 6′ 200lbs, that’s not really all that good of a weight for a RB that is 6′ tall, he’s going to have to put on at least 20lbs of muscle or he’s going to get broken in half in the NFL. Again I think the Sims comparison is dead-on, it’s the same style, same type of player. Christian McCaffrey has better vision, but running in the middle, upright, at 200lbs, means IR. Also, wow, looking at the combine results, Sims and McCaffrey are basically the same. Same 40 time, Sims is stronger, McCaffrey is a bit quicker, but most of the measurables are the basically the same. Not really impressed to be honest, I don’t get the hype based off the highlights anyways. And yes, again, just basing on highlights, so yes I could be completely wrong.
March 22nd, 2017 at 8:06 pm
Google is your friend… I have already spent the time ….
March 22nd, 2017 at 8:11 pm
Erick Dickerson ran upright, and Gale Sayers, and Arian Foster, and Marcus Allen, etc…
An upright running style doesnt matter nearly as much as taking good angles, burst, quickness, elusiveness, or vision.
That being said, Christian never stands up until he’s in the open field.
March 22nd, 2017 at 8:12 pm
Runs like mac truck but when his little toe hurts he’ll tell the coach I’m sitting this one down.
March 22nd, 2017 at 8:13 pm
NFL os right. He’ll so 12 years in the nfl because he’ll be converted to the slot. Bank on that.
March 22nd, 2017 at 8:13 pm
same expert that dropped jameis below mariotta? naw!! i’m good on believing ish he has to say
March 22nd, 2017 at 8:22 pm
Blake
so how long have you had this crush on McCaffery? Is your significant other jealous of the crush? Bucs fans need to stick together and since I am such a philanthropist, if you need some therapy or a custom mccaffery safespace I am sure we can all chip in help out when the bucs pass him by. Hang in there it will be over soon. NOS will be easy on you when bucs trade up for Cook. We are here to support you sir…
March 22nd, 2017 at 8:25 pm
LOL… SB, Adam Humphreis ran a 4.49 40 and benched 14 times so he is stronger than McCaffrey… Only reason Hump was overlooked at Clemson. Sammy Watkins…. just my thoughts.. watch Hump Rams game on youtube.. Change the name on his jersey you could tell the difference…
March 22nd, 2017 at 8:30 pm
Ago did Adam Humphries ever have 2000 yards rushing I’m just wondering
March 22nd, 2017 at 8:31 pm
That was at ATL I hate autocorrect.
March 22nd, 2017 at 8:34 pm
SB
at the rate Humphries is going I am guessing it will be year six or seven before he gets to two thousand career receiving yards in nfl. he’s a nice player but he is NOT a weapon nor does he scare a single defensive coordinator. he is a nice piece to the puzzle but let’s not get crazy and think he is anything more than a 4 or 5 and most likely will be replaced in the next few years if the bucs are serious about winning and increasing the talent on the roster..
March 22nd, 2017 at 8:41 pm
You are correct… McCaffrey is an amazing talent, smart, his technical skills are the best coming out this year… its in his dna… I still believe he will end up being a slot receiver… I have huge respect for him. We already have that guy.. IMO and have been wrong a LOT.
March 22nd, 2017 at 8:45 pm
Weapons for Jameis please…
Draft Dalvin Cook and Curtis Samuels in rounds 1 & 2…
3rd. TE
4th. S
5th. OL
6th. ” ”
7th. ” “
March 22nd, 2017 at 8:45 pm
Thanks tmax . My question was aimed at ATL who compared Hump to MC Caffery
March 22nd, 2017 at 8:57 pm
SB
I was just asking hence the “educate me”. All I’ve seen of the kid is highlights and I wasn’t impressed. Not saying he’s bad just don’t know enough about him. It’s good to see you though hope all is well.
Blake
Lmao, true story I try to leave GMC alone but they keep pulling me back in. I can’t help myself. You’ll come to expect it.
Tmax
You’ll learn I’m never wrong – haha tell’em again.
March 22nd, 2017 at 8:59 pm
He’ll keep dropping. 3 fumbles in the first 2 weeks will find him nailed to the bench in the NFL. I don’t want a rookie RB with shoulder issues. If he’s there with our 2nd pick. Then ya worth the risk but not in the first round.
March 22nd, 2017 at 9:00 pm
Caff and Mack ohhh weeee
March 22nd, 2017 at 9:00 pm
SB you are correct. McCaffrey is much better coming out of college than Hump. Not even close. Hump has taken his game to another level in the NFL
March 22nd, 2017 at 9:01 pm
We have made our intentions blatantly clear about Mack. Koetter being at his pro day and the dozen or so other links
March 22nd, 2017 at 9:05 pm
Some of you FSU guys sound so childish. It’s irritating to see how you guys are such homers, actually it’s pathetic! Put up your college mindset and embrace professional football. It makes no difference what color jersey they wore on Saturday so try your best to be truly objective when you comment. If that’s not possible then do the rest of us a favor and stfu!
March 22nd, 2017 at 9:12 pm
Woohooo Eric!!
Said it better than I could have!!
These fanboys wanting anything FSU..pathetic just because it’s FSU!! How many actually attended FSU!!?? Hmmm!!???
NO TO COOK!!!
March 22nd, 2017 at 9:18 pm
Sorry DB I wasn’t to be d!ckish. I just didn’t see a comparison between the two. Good to see you too. And yes all is well. I hope the same is with you and yours.
March 22nd, 2017 at 9:24 pm
Cook haters are mostly butt hurt Gator fans upset that Cook helped dominate them.
Same with the pre-draft Jameis haters.
Sorest losers in sports……
March 22nd, 2017 at 9:32 pm
SB
All good bro no need to apologize. For the record I want an RT in the first and Cook in the second. Then again I want Soloman Thomas to drop to 19, so I guess I should prob just put the crackpipe down.
March 22nd, 2017 at 9:40 pm
I swear I try my best to refrain from calling some dumb@$$’s but d@$! its hard. Let me get this str8, us so called homers are suppose to come here and not make any mention of a guy that happens to be one of the best to ever do out the state of Florida because it irks some of you mofos??? Really??? My question to you type is why bother reading our comments??? Funny thing is our RB corp was average at best last season. But we should cover our mouthes because some of you could care less about our guy. MF please.
March 22nd, 2017 at 9:43 pm
I could see if we were referencing a bomb. But the young man is one out the best players to enter this class and it bothers some of you because some of us are repping him.. Sad yo, some people. SB did I not lose all bias after we spoke in person at the sports bar when you told me about VH3. Did I start on some BS tyraid about not needing a gator on the team. Did I not tell you in person”I’m a Buc first Nole second”. Did I not say that s@$! bro???
March 22nd, 2017 at 9:52 pm
Drafting Noles 1st 2nd and 1st round. For 3 straight years is crazy. 100+ teams to choose from. The organisation is letting the local exposure and hype of FSU players. Cloud their judgement. Jameis the scout has been fired.
March 22nd, 2017 at 9:58 pm
If Cook is available at 19 then the Bucs need to take him, he is the next coming of Marshall Faulk with his home run hitting and receiving skills. A game changer that could single handily win us a couple games a year with his big play potential. All you have to do is watch how FSU won games.
March 22nd, 2017 at 10:03 pm
DB I’m pretty sure you don’t own a crack pipe.
And to my homie Hope. I never even referenced you let alone said anything about Dalvin cook
March 22nd, 2017 at 10:07 pm
*to my homie Nole *
March 22nd, 2017 at 10:14 pm
Let Dalvin Cook drop right into our laps and Licht will pounce on that gift.
March 22nd, 2017 at 10:19 pm
Yeah its no crush Tmax just respect him as an athlete and fully expect him to be a great NFL player.
You are more than free to express whatever ideas you have on the subject, but that doesn’t prevent me from telling you that you’re wrong.
I’m no special snowflake.
March 22nd, 2017 at 10:21 pm
So how about that Gators basketball?!!!!
March 22nd, 2017 at 10:48 pm
I have ZERO bias against Dalvin cook because he was once a Seminole!!! I am not against taking him at 19 if he’s available. I am totally against trading up for any running back. I thought I made this clear. This said I am more a fan of McCaffrey then cook. Just the way it is for me
March 22nd, 2017 at 10:58 pm
Blake I never insinuated you were a snowflake…Just busting your nuts over your McCaffery fever. Snowflakes would be at a protest not hauling toilets up two flights of stairs.
March 22nd, 2017 at 11:30 pm
SB I made my comments after I read Eric and Life go on about being tired of us Noles reppin Dalvin. I mention your name to validate the fact that I wasn’t acting like some of these folks who seem to be against the idea of Dalvin because he played for FSU when you told me about VH3. I can care less where a player comes from if he’ll make the Bucs a better team. My bad for the misunderstanding homie.
March 23rd, 2017 at 12:00 am
Some of yall are just crazy. LOL
Rod watching highlights and thinks Cook ran for 38 TDs the last 2 years because of poor tackling and looks like Doug Martin… That chit’s funny. And McCaffrey is no better than Humphries apparently – despite Christian being drafted in the 1st round and Hump being undrafted… and the McCaffrey/Charles Sims comparison? WTF??
Cook is a TD machine and one of the best RB prospects to come out in quite a few years – so is Fournette. McCaffrey isn’t on their level as a RB but he’s a damn good football player and is going to make a lot of big plays for whichever team drafts him. This is a fantastic crop of RBs coming out this year and Cook, Fournette and McCaffrey are the cream of the crop.
Great value at RB to be had in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th rounds this year as well.
Martin MAY be back if he’s willing to re-sign with the Bucs for about $2M after we cut him (which will 100% happen – the cut that is) – but even if Druggy is back – he can’t be relied on – he’s proven that 3/5 of his time here. If he winds up being a Buccaneer in 2017 and is healthy and running well – then that will be a nice bonus – but no way do you make that plan A nor plan B.
We are drafting a running back this year. No bout a doubt it. And it probably won’t be Cook because he will be gone before he becomes affordable enough to try and trade up for. McCaffrey is a decent bet to become a Buccaneer IMO – assuming he’s available at 19 and that Cook, Davis, Williams and Howard are all off the board which is the highly likely scenario.
If we don’t go RB in the 1st round – then there are PLENTY of other good NFL running back prospects in rounds 2>4.
I personally am partial to Kareem Hunt in the 3rd round if we can find better value than McCaffrey in the 1st (Njoku? Barnett? a Safety?). Hunt might even be available at the top of the 4th.
If we DO go with McCaffrey in the 1st. I’d like to see us move up about 10-15 spots in the 2nd round for either Budda Baker or Melifonwu if either makes it that far. A&M WR- Josh Reynolds in the 3rd.
1 McCaffrey
2. Budda Baker
3. Josh Reynolds
That looks like a sweet top of the draft to me…
OR
1. Njoku
2. Zay Jones
3. Kareem Hunt
Either way – there’s your #weapons for Winston
IMO, we’d be crazy not to also take advantage of all the talent coming out at Safety this year…
March 23rd, 2017 at 12:20 am
It’s all good brother. I’m just trying to be objective. I completely understand your love of Cook. Much respect.
March 23rd, 2017 at 12:22 am
And Pick, we have been seeing eye-to-eye a lot over the years.
March 23rd, 2017 at 12:30 am
See Pick when I read them and they are sensible and at a minimum fair. I ain’t nothing slick to say in response. Great post homie.
March 23rd, 2017 at 12:31 am
McCaffrey wouldn’t even start for the Noles if Cook wasn’t on the team…..
March 23rd, 2017 at 1:01 am
Dalvin Trash Ill take a pass
March 23rd, 2017 at 1:08 am
With the amount of fantastic RB’s in this class, we should NOT go RB in the first round!
We need Safety and TE FIRST…then grab a RB in 2nd or 3rd round..
Grab a Safety so we can be set years to come..
A nice TE to pair up with Brate…
This class is chock full of RBs..we don’t need to take one in the first round!
March 23rd, 2017 at 2:21 am
You guys are ridiculous. You just really learn to hate a guy and go all out on the forums to say no way.
I am an FSU homer. I remember how some of you threatened to quit being Bucs fans last year when it was rumored we were going to take Jameis…
I watched every Noles game that involved both Cook and Dunn and I can easily give the edge to Cook while playing at FSU. And I frickin love Dunn!
Yeah he was injured a bit last year but I blame Jimbo for playing him too much after Jameis left. I mean he had 288 carries last year in 13 games. Only one NFL back had over 300 carries last year and that was Ez Elliot at 322 in 16 games!!!
Dalvin would fit perfect in our system which I have to imagine will be a 60-40 Pass-Rush offense next year. And with Simms getting some playtime I can see a perfect 220-230 carries for Cook.
Also, both Ez Elliott and David Johnson had 5 fumbles last year. Cook had 6 last year and 1 of them was just plain untouched drop switching hands against Ole Miss in the first game of the season and another was a gang tackle where the ref just didn’t blow the whistle. He is not a fumble machine and NFL coaches are paid to eliminate any minor college weaknesses anyway.
Now with all that being said, Fournette will be gone and even though I like Mccaffrey, I have no doubt he will be utilized more like a Danny Woodhead RB then an every down back.
So quit hating on Cook. If we acquire him, he will be worth it. How about you spend 5 minutes watching some highlights and then tell me you don’t want him. Check out the highlights from the FSU v the National Champion Clemson Tigers game last year then tell me you don’t want him.
March 23rd, 2017 at 3:10 am
Lol- Man, it gets crazy on here!
1) Fournette,Cook, or McCaffrey would be the best back we’ve had since our
Glory days. Meybe longer
2) there are running backs in the 3rd or even 4th round of this draft, that would dramatically improve our running game.
3) we do not need a high round TE. Cameron Brate LED THE NFL IN RED ZONE PRODUCTION. He is playing at a high level. We need a luke stocker- that can run short routes and catch.
4) every draft is the same. Talk skill- draft Bigs. I expect the Bucs to draft a DE. Such a good draft for such rare talents- hard not too!
5) I expect the Bucs to do what they have to- to draft John Ross. Desean Jackson is campaigning hard for him.
Love this time of year. Debating the draft picks is always fun
So happy we have our QB. Its no fun, if you dont have a QB!
March 23rd, 2017 at 7:30 am
Pick – My comment was made, as I said, only based on watching highlights as I don’t have a good feel for the guy since I didn’t see him much. So reviewing like a 10 min highlight film with a ton of plays – what I saw was a bunch of plays that won’t be made at the NFL level – again I’m talking about the highlights I’ve seen only. Also yes, his running style, if anything, reminds me of Doug – which is a compliment you dope. Martin is one of the top backs in the league when healthy and his head is in it.
As for whitey I didn’t say anything about Humpries – so don’t drag me into that. What I did say is the highlights – and as I said highlights only – I see a guy who runs way too upright and will get destroyed in the NFL. Now if others say he only runs that way when he breaks into the open – OK, fair enough, I just wanted to have some familiarity with the guy. Also as I said he’s generally ranked the #2 or #3 guy out there so obviously the people that actually do study film like him a ton. But from what I saw, which is very very limited, I don’t see a 3 down RB in whitey and out of the two – based on the little I’ve seen, I’d take Cook without hesitation. But again, I have don’t much watching if film and I didn’t see these guys play full games.
Anywho read in context you dope – what I said about Cook was a compliment you insecure j/o.
March 23rd, 2017 at 8:26 am
Think about this…many mock drafts have Cook to the Bucs at 19…when was the last time the obvious mock draft choice ended up being reality? Hardly ever so I think its time to move on toward the real needs of the team>> OL
THIS GAME IS WON – LOST IN THE TRENCHES.
How can you pass on Ramczyk or Robinson/ALA if they are there at 19? You could put any 2-4 round talent (Kareem Hunt!) in the backfield to run the pill in this passing league.
March 23rd, 2017 at 9:19 am
Broy34 Says
“If there’s ever Been a story more tired I can’t think of it.”
You must not have been here when Joe wanted Johnny Football…
March 23rd, 2017 at 9:19 am
I agree with DoNUTS
March 23rd, 2017 at 1:32 pm
Not bad Joe, 188 comments and counting on a 274 word article about an overly-hashed subject during this BORING time between the Scouting Combines and the draft.
Counting all those words tired me out, time for a nap.
March 23rd, 2017 at 7:57 pm
FSU is in Florida last I checked. That school gets top talent. Welcome to all in state players, and come on down to Tampa. The Bucs could field a competitive team just from the talent from Florida schools.
March 24th, 2017 at 4:55 am
I don’t know if Joe allows links to YouTube so I’ll try anyway. So the doosh (homer) that says Dalvin is #2 most versatile back is right. Mccaffrey did KO and PR. So he was more versatile in college. Neither one of them will be doing KO or PR in the NFL as a #1 pick.
Anyway, dude, Cook is so awesome!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hz_TN_sC0Ww
March 24th, 2017 at 5:06 am
Jameis is jersey #5 in case you weren’t a homer:P