Still A Dubious Concept
February 6th, 2017
Can he be trusted?
Yes, Joe understands Lavonte David rekindled the flames Bucs fans have for Adrian Peterson becoming a salary cap causality and somehow landing in Tampa Bay for the 2017 season, but Joe just cannot buy it fully.
The data on running backs over 30 and their decline is too clear to ignore. If the Bucs did somehow land Peterson, Joe is convinced another running back in the draft is on the way.
Father Time is undefeated in the NFL. Joe just cannot get past the damning history of running backs over 30 (no matter their name).
Banking on a 32-year old running back with a bum knee (Peterson played in only three games last season due to a knee injury) to carry the load for a team is reckless. Adding a second running back via the draft (Dalvin Cook?) to the mix along with Peterson? Yeah, that’s much more plausible.
February 6th, 2017 at 6:54 am
Adding a second running back via the draft (Dalvin Cook?) to the mix along with Peterson? Yeah, that’s much more plausible. – Joe
Yeah Baby! All Day Everyday!!!!
Father Time is having a beer at the time. AP has 5 more years. Lets sign him for two.
We’ll teach the Falcons how to finish. Matt Ryan DOES NOT have the Winston mindset. The crown of the NFC South is ready for Winston and company!
We Got This!!!!
Go Bucs!!!
February 6th, 2017 at 7:25 am
Too old, too expensive, recently injured. Pass.
February 6th, 2017 at 7:26 am
On the other hand, if we could draft one of several RB’s, (Cook, Foreman, Mixon) that would be a much better choice IMHO.
February 6th, 2017 at 7:39 am
UMMMMM, The Muscle Hamster ain’t done yet.
I say we don’t need no stinking high round RB. Let the chips fall the way they fall.
Trade down is what I have been saying. If your gonna trade draft day.
We need to invest in everything else first. The RB situation will pan out regardless who is totting the rock.
BET
February 6th, 2017 at 7:40 am
I would not want to spend much on AP. I think he is done. He played in 3 games this past season and averaged 1.9 y/c. Yes, he was likely not at 100%, but that could also be an accurate reflection of where he is at.
February 6th, 2017 at 8:07 am
It seems Mixon is projected to keep dropping , I say WR in the first like juju, Ross or mike Williams , grab DE/TE/ in the second , than trade up again in second and grab mixon( better than a kicker ) , add d jax and e berry , d Poe in FA and we will be super bowl bound
February 6th, 2017 at 8:13 am
This idea needs to be scrapped right now. He’s toast. Bucs fans are like golem from lord of the rings, they see something shiny and become obsessed.
February 6th, 2017 at 8:24 am
Pass
February 6th, 2017 at 8:47 am
mixon’s a first round phenom
February 6th, 2017 at 8:55 am
As far as AP goes, I’m firmly intrenched on the side against it. However if the Vikings do cut him and Licht takes a chance on him drafting another RB round 1 is a bad idea. I dont hate the idea of taking a RB round 1 as a feature back as much as I did a few weeks ago but drafting one to come in and be a compliment to AP to me is a waste of a pick.
An idea that I’ve been toying with recently is taking Curtis Samuel round 1. As of right now using the #19 pick on him might be a reach, but if either 1) He kills it at the combine and runs in the low 4.3’s then taking him at #19 wont be as big of a reach or 2) We trade back to the mid or late 20’s, get an extra pick and take Samuel there. Round 2 if we can get D’onta Foreman that would be ideal. Add Pierre Garcon instead of Desean Jackson as a #2. Then we can have this:
Mike Evans, Pierre Garcon, and Curtis Samuel as the top 3 receivers. All 3 have different skill sets that compliment each other. Evans with his size, Samuel with his speed, and Garcon with his route running (which is why in this scenario I went with Garcon over D-Jax).
Then in the backfield you have Foreman, Quizz/Sims, and Smauel (he played RB too if you are unaware). Again they could all compliment each other. Foreman as the physical runner between the tackles (I know he is more than that), Quizz/Sims as receivers, and Samuel could be used in the run game like Tyreek Hill in KC.
To me this creates a good blend of skill sets which provides diversity and versatility that defenses would have to FEAR.
Man, its fun to speculate lol.
February 6th, 2017 at 8:59 am
To trade back somebody has to want to trade up….just saying.
February 6th, 2017 at 9:03 am
@Steave from Oregon
Obviously…
February 6th, 2017 at 9:09 am
I mean he doesnt have to start. he could share the load with a rookie rb. Better than any option we currently have on our team. Why not give him a shot team friendly deal
February 6th, 2017 at 9:24 am
Devonta Freeman averaged 6.8 yards an attempt last night 11 carries 71 yards. Had the birds utilized him more in the fourth they may very well be champions this morning. Those FSU RBs man.
February 6th, 2017 at 9:27 am
bringing in Peterson is like counting on vjax last year thats not a wise bet Doug at a much cheaper one year prove it deal and a back in round 2 I’m for weapons for Winston not dead cap on IR.
February 6th, 2017 at 9:33 am
@Nosbos Devonta Played well last night, no doubt. But he also gave up the strip sack that turned the tide. And was stuffed on nearly every run in the second half/ 4th quarter. That legendary choke Job rests on Kyle Shannahan and Natty Ice.
February 6th, 2017 at 9:34 am
Funny thing is the Pats won they’re last chip wit a defensive stop on the one yard. They win another last night not being cute and throwing the ball but simply running the d@$! thing.
February 6th, 2017 at 9:36 am
I mean they did try to pass it on 1st down. I thought that play call was insane lol
February 6th, 2017 at 9:38 am
I can’t argue wit dat Blake. Just makes me wonder. I’m not madd at all tho . To h3ll wit all the south love. I only concern myself wit one team in this division. To h3ll wit thw rest.
February 6th, 2017 at 9:38 am
@Poppems Exactly the Pats called a Play-action pass that could have been picked on 1st down in OT. Which I also thought was crazy.
February 6th, 2017 at 9:42 am
@Nosbos I couldn’t agree more, Eff the Failclowns, and the Stinkin’ Panthers, and the ‘Aints. No way in hell will I ever root for any of those teams to win a Superbowl.
February 6th, 2017 at 9:44 am
This choke was monumental. Up 28/3 the birds ran the ball a total of four times the rest of the game. Someone should fired.
February 6th, 2017 at 9:45 am
You know how Licht likes bridge players
February 6th, 2017 at 9:46 am
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/falcons/2017/02/05/atlanta-falcons-super-bowl-2017-matt-ryan-dan-quinn-new-england-patriots/97530692/?hootPostID=eb3c178edf1d7b6d4a19582f79724b6c
The mental Breakdown has already begun. Failclowns last place in the division next year. Mark it down.
February 6th, 2017 at 9:59 am
Bonzai not trying to go against you big homie but if you open that link Blake just posted you’ll see his arm wasn’t going forward bro.
February 6th, 2017 at 10:17 am
This would be a Garner-type signing.
Those with any sort of memory will know what I mean.
February 6th, 2017 at 10:19 am
@Bonzai, That’s one way to look at it. Another would be that it could be an Ayers, or Grimes type of signing. You know, sign a proven veteran and Draft his replacement.
February 6th, 2017 at 10:20 am
Nole,
Come on, man! (http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/c365ba7a04950c52f4e53395b7276821d51699dd/c=63-0-2432-1781&r=x404&c=534×401/local/-/media/2017/02/05/USATODAY/USATODAY/636219326615899498-USP-NFL–Super-Bowl-LI-New-England-Patriots-vs-Atl.jpg)
The ball is CLEARLY loose as he draws his hand back!
February 6th, 2017 at 10:22 am
As prolific of an offense the Falcons have, you have to be able to run the ball. I don’t understand how this keep getting lost on people.
We need a RB with great vision that can hit the running lanes and take it to the house. Cook is that guy. We have a great #1 option in Mike Evans, all we need are great route runners with good hands at WR 2 & 3.
I say that to say this: If and when Cook is there around pick 12(We need a trade partner between 12-15), its time to hit the phones to try and trade up. We cannot miss out on this guy, he wont be there at 19.
February 6th, 2017 at 10:22 am
Ummmmm Bonzai, Not really sure what point you are trying to make with that. Because If a Qb loses control of a football while cocking it back, Its still a Fumble.
February 6th, 2017 at 10:26 am
@MarineBuc, 2017 Draft class is loaded with stud Running backs in seemingly every round. We can very much afford to miss out on Cook. Pretty much the only trade up scenario I’d be ok with, is if its only 2 spots and cost’s like a 4th/5th rounder. And that would be For Corey Davis.
February 6th, 2017 at 10:29 am
I would have loved to get Peterson 5 years ago…but it would be too big a risk now.
You know, I was thinking last night. Anyone remember what led to the drafting of Doug Martin?
Check me on this, because my timeline might be off, but didn’t the Bucs get rid of Blount that year?
Fans immediately ignored all other needs on the team and wanted a running back. Only, how much did getting one really help the team? It didn’t add wins, that’s for sure.
My point is this…there are other, more important positions to address in the draft. Consider this…if the Bucs had built a stronger, younger offensive line instead of getting Martin at the time, would our offense be struggling now? Winston would have plenty of time, and just about any average RB could look great behind a great OL.
I always bring this up, but it is because it’s true. The Broncos had the best OL in the NFL for years. No matter how bad a RB was, when he ran with the Broncos, he looked great. Then, when he went to another team? Not so great. It was all because of the offensive line.
In fact, look at the best offenses and best defenses in history, and all of them…all of them…had great lines that made them that way.
Tampa fans always want flash, and when they get their way, they complain the wins are not coming. Well, that’s because we went flash instead of BPA in a position of need. You don’t build the door before you build the house.
February 6th, 2017 at 10:30 am
@Blake_bucsfan
That was my point. People are trying to say Ryan did not fumble, that his hand was moving forward. I said it WAS a fumble.
February 6th, 2017 at 10:31 am
We are not as far off as some of you think. If we do land a player like Campbell and/or JPP, maybe a decent CB too. Defense is good to go.
Most importantly to move up and grab Cooks in the draft, we need to address WR in Free Agency as well.
My Free Agency wish list is short and simple.
WR
Campbell and/or JPP
CB
If this happens, IMO we have what we need to justify moving up and drafting Cook.
February 6th, 2017 at 10:31 am
Blake I dont want to talk for him but I think Bonzai believes it was a fumble. In the super bowl forum he was arguing with someone who thought it shouldve been incomplete and how the NFL rigged the game and all that nonsense lol
February 6th, 2017 at 10:34 am
I hear you Blake, the only other RB I would be good with is Foreman. But I don’t think he make it to our Round 2 pick.
February 6th, 2017 at 10:35 am
@Bonzai Ok word dude, the way Nosbos called you out made it seem as tho you were one of the cooks trying to claim it wasn’t a Fumble lol. And I agree dude, I think that Rb is a big need for us, but it’s not even close to being our biggest need.
February 6th, 2017 at 10:36 am
I DON’T want to trade up… That being said
Blake_bucsfan…Pretty much the only trade up scenario I’d be ok with, is if its only 2 spots and cost’s like a 4th/5th rounder. And that would be For Corey Davis.
I’ll have some of that though!
On AP don’t know which way to go. If it’s a team friendly contract, do it. Listen it won’t hurt. Grab Mixon later. Let him learn from a MONSTER like AP… That would be insane
February 6th, 2017 at 10:42 am
The only players I would want to trade up for personally are Malik Hooker and Jamal Adams. I dont think either of them will be available at a spot where I would be comfortable to make the trade up. Imo there is no need to trade up for Corey Davis or Mike Williams. If we needed a #1 receiver then yea it would make sense.
February 6th, 2017 at 10:44 am
@ Bonazi
Blount was still on the team for Martin’s rookie season, Schiano just didn’t like him. I was beyond pissed when they started Martin over Blount. There were games in the begining of that year that they would have won had they not been pandering to Martin’s inability to see running lanes. I’ve said it a thousand times, go back and watch the film, they had to delay handoffs to Martin because he could not see the field. He doesn’t juke because he’s setting defenders up, he jukes because he doesn’t know where to go.
Martin has always had poor vision and that’s why he takes the beatings that he does every game.
Adrian Peterson is not the answer. He mentioned the Bucs in that conversation for the same reason every potential free agent mentions certain teams when they talk about going somewhere else. Tampa has tons of available cap space. He’s trying to drum up a market for himself.
Running backs do not win you championships, the team around the running backs do. We won the Super Bowl with a washed up Michael Pittman and Mike Alstott. Oline, defense, and multiple weapons win the big games. Somebody named James White was the winning running back last night.
February 6th, 2017 at 10:54 am
That 4th round pick that we traded to the Patriots for the (2 year rental) Logan Mankins, sure did play big last night. Trey Flowers 6 Tackles, 4 Solo Tackles, 2.5 Sacks, 5 QB hits.
February 6th, 2017 at 10:57 am
According to all the college football experts on here, April’s draft will be loaded with RB talent. So, who needs an old RB like Peterson? What is the scoop on Payton Barber? We need another good receiver and definitely OL/DL Depth!! This being the walking wounded every season is getting way past old! Can’t get over the Dixie Chicks blowing the SB. They and the Stinkcats will be having a YUGE Pity Party. I knew something was up in the first half. Zebs were asleep and Falcons were scoring like crazy. Then Putrid Pats have the ball and Zebs wake up. Chicks had 5, count ’em, 5 defensive holds in a row called on them. First downs for the Belicheats. They didn’t do anything on that drive but that was a hint. Glad I’m a Bucs fan!!
February 6th, 2017 at 10:58 am
@LakeLandBuc He definitely did dude, I just hate looking on late round picks/ small trades, because hindsight is always 20/20 dude.
February 6th, 2017 at 10:59 am
And our 4th round pick from that Draft also worked out incredibly well.
February 6th, 2017 at 11:03 am
@JoeyPoppems I haven’y checked out Adams or Hooker yet, but I have checked out Budda Baker and Jabrill Peppers. What are your thoughts on those 2. I wouldn’t be mad if we used our 1st/2nd rounder on either of them.
February 6th, 2017 at 11:06 am
Marine no worries sir. Draft night will tell tale. Dont matter how loaded the class is. Their is only one Dalvin.
February 6th, 2017 at 11:23 am
@Blake
Im not sold on Peppers. Mainly just because I would prefer to have Safeties with good range and ball skills than an in the box Safety which is what I think Peppers will end up being. I would much rather have Baker than Peppers personally. Idk if he falls to us in the 2nd round tho so some moves might need to he made. Eddie Jackson, Marcus Williams, Marcus Maye, and Justin Evans are some other Safeties I like that could be Day 2/ earlye Day 3 picks.
February 6th, 2017 at 11:33 am
Father Time is undefeated in the NFL.
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Hmm Darrel Green also wore #28. Some men are not human i.e. Julio Jones.
February 6th, 2017 at 12:07 pm
I keep telling people there’s value to be found in these late round of the draft. Tom Brady…6th Round Pick. Julius Edelman… 7th Round pick…Malcolm Mitchell..4th Round Pick..James White…4th round pick. Trey Flowers…4th Round Pick..
February 6th, 2017 at 12:23 pm
I cannot say I would dislike A.P coming here, but if licht only plans on spending so much money, Id rather put it in the oline. Rbs are not hard to find and jameis needs better protection, our backs need better lanes.
Sure we can use an upgrade but dont put the cart before the horse. First oline, then wr, then rb. Thats just on the offensive side of the ball
February 6th, 2017 at 12:33 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n3RnpxXABc&lc=z13pchb5emu2v13jy04chzmjuqjlilhi5ek.1486399615566596
NSFW but this is some comedy gold right here!
February 6th, 2017 at 1:17 pm
Both lines have serious question marks and I get that. But it’s also true that pieces could fall into place that make both lines OK.
Our RB and WR situations are NOT OK!!! WR shows more potential than RB right now…at least we have our own JJ in ME13…no reason Hump can’t be Edelman…Brate can be Tyler Eifert…I get those are big IFs…but at least they are possibilities.
Stick a freaking fork in the Muscle Hamster…He’s had two good years out of 5!!!
That’s 40%…a failing grade…and in his two good years when the line was blocking well the Hamster may have been the least explosive RB in the league…a hard runner…found the holes and made some nice cuts…only to get hauled down from behind.
We have no running attack right now…it’s all on Quizz…we desperately need a star RB. Since money won’t be an issue with AP…he won’t get a contract with longer term cap implications and we currently have cash…I wouldn’t be upset if Licht took a flyer…but he’s a short term fix at best.
Again…someone suggested Samuel with that first pick…I would not be upset but I’d LOVE to find some way to sign Desean Jackson and use the top three picks to get both Dalvin and Samuel in some combination of drafting in those first two rounds. I concede it wouldn’t be easy and would require some luck but if we could pull it off…our offense is suddenly way better than any in our division including the Falcons.
February 6th, 2017 at 1:42 pm
The Bucs have endless amounts of money to spend the next 2 years – so if the make a $10 mistake, make it reaching for the stars instead of making it signing 3rd rate offensive linemen from Seattle.
February 6th, 2017 at 1:49 pm
Pretty amazing that Brady could throw for 450+ yards to guys named White, Amendola, Edelman, Hogan and Bennett.
None of those guys except Bennett have size and good speed. What they have is heart and they run their routes to perfection. Absolutely the chemistry and dedication of Brady working with his receivers proved that athleticism and talent can Lois to teamwork and dedication.
February 6th, 2017 at 2:12 pm
Joe, did you see the way Devonta Freeman Mike Remmered Hightower on his way to a Matt Ryan strip sack….. that’s how AP blocks lol
February 6th, 2017 at 2:59 pm
Ed – Brady is one of the best QBs of all time, if not the best, plus he was playing one of the worst defenses ever to make it to a Super Bowl. Jameis destroy the Falcons this year, doing a lot more than Brady did against them, with 542 yards and 7 TDs and 1 INT. Let Jameis play Atlanta every week, a team he’s 3-1 against, and the Bucs would be a SB team.
February 6th, 2017 at 3:09 pm
orlbucfan.. the refs had this game in the bag for the Pats. Don’t try to convince me otherwise. Pats win again while the majority of football fans collectively moan in disgust. The situation is way past old and boring.
February 6th, 2017 at 9:31 pm
Ed you really hit the nail on the head. Precise timing, route running, dedication. Jameis needs better protection to help make that happen