Dontari Poe And The Bucs
February 4th, 2017
Interesting free agent.
A lot of Bucs fans began wigging out on Twitter when Chiefs prospective free agent, Pro Bowl safety Eric Berry, sent a salvo over Kansas City saying he would sit out the 2017 season if the Chiefs franchise him.
Essentially, Chiefs owner Clark Hunt threw cold water on the fire yesterday when he told good guy Terez Paylor of the Kansas City Star that he very much wants to keep Berry. Hunt all but stated Berry will be playing in a Chiefs uniform come September.
However, given the expected cap restraints of the Chiefs, Hunt was much less enthusiastic about retaining another key free agent. And that would be defensive tackle Dontari Poe.
The two-time Pro Bowler, who will turn 27 in August, is a nose tackle in a 34 defense. As we know by now, Bucs defensive coordinator Mike Smith isn’t into pigeonholing players. He takes the talent at hand and molds a defense around them (how refreshing!).
Poe is a run stuffer but his tackles have gone down every season. Part of this is that he is double- if not triple-teamed and opponents aren’t dumb enough to run at him.
The key that jumped out at Joe about Poe is that in his five-year career, Poe has missed a grand total of two games and only four starts. That’s impressive for a guy at a position where he gets the hell beat out of him play after play.
Right there is the reason why the Bucs have an issue on the interior of the defensive line. Stop with the Gerald McCoy hate! He’s not going anywhere. But Clinton McDonald, awesome guy and pro’s pro that he is, has turned brittle the past two seasons, playing in just over half the games (18), and he’s entering the final season of his current contract. Akeem Spence is a whole lot of meh.
Landing Poe, with his durability and youth, and the way Smith can craft a defense around talent, would go a long way to helping the Bucs’ defense.
Imagine offensive lines having to tangle with Noah Spence off the edge, and GMC and Poe in the middle?
February 4th, 2017 at 7:09 am
6’3″ and 346 lbs … there’s the beef that Mike Smith craves. He & GMC could wreak havoc in the interior DLine while Ayers, Gholston, Noah Spence & Jack Smith have a ball on the outside. Sign him. Still need McDonald & Spence though … DLinemen get banged up once in awhile it seems.
February 4th, 2017 at 7:17 am
Had to repost…
#bringhomeD.Poe
WhatdaBUCisthis Says:
February 4th, 2017 at 6:55 am
I know most here will think I’m crazy, but I truly hope we can sign Poe and play more 3-4 this year. Stand up Spawn n J. Smith. I’m NOT saying completely switch, just more snaps out of the formation. We ran it a few times this last season…I say let’s actually have that in the play calls, Presnap adjustments. We would literally give opposing teams nightmares
GMC Poe Gholston
Spawn Bond Kwon David
Grimes VHIII
Bradley
Tandy
Now you’ve got D-line depth for days.
February 4th, 2017 at 7:17 am
Poe would be a fantastic signing for the Bucs. Hoping they also sign a free agent DE to round out the line (Chandler Jones, Melvin Ingram or JPP would be nice).
February 4th, 2017 at 7:19 am
I say that because Jacquis Smith can’t stay healthy to save his life and Gholston is best on run downs.
February 4th, 2017 at 7:26 am
I can’t imagine Licht changes his FA approach from last year – success will do that. I expect he’ll wait for the big money to get spent in week 1 then come in and grab the less flashy but productive players. Poe will get a massive deal… Tennessee, Indy, are likely spots.
February 4th, 2017 at 7:27 am
While I know many want Campbell, Poe is who I want, a true game changer. You can’t double GMC n Poe. This D would explode off the ball… I can easily see King David 7 sacks, 4 ints , Spawn 13 sacks… Just because of Poe and playing more 3-4. That would def change our needs come draft time. I’d be good with all offensive draft targeting skill players… If we can’t get Pryor but lands Stills, I say by all means get C. Davis with that first pick. Move up for all I care
But this D isn’t polished, proven and only slight tested. Screw it yo…. SWITCH!!!!
February 4th, 2017 at 7:31 am
Can you imagine if you stick GMac, Poe,Ayres and Spence in the line?GMac and Poe would take up 4 OLineman giving Spence and Ayers free lanes. Not to mention Johnson will healthy next year.
February 4th, 2017 at 7:31 am
It sounds like a very good idea to put a big, run stuffing, block eating NT next to McCoy. He probably needs to come from the draft though.
Poe’s supposed estimated market value is $14M. GMC is already making $13. Its just hard to believe the Bucs are willing to spend $27M per year on a pair of DTs. That’s the main reason I dont think it will happen.
I think McDonald is quite good when healthy and being under contract with the Bucs for $2M in 2017 has to be one of the better bargains of any player in the league. But the problem is Clinton has not been able to stay healthy and he’s on the wrong side of 30. Akeem Spence is decent depth but that’s his ceiling I’m pretty sure.
So for those reasons and because Licht has not yet drafted a DT – I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see us take a good developmental DT prospect in the 3rd or 4th round this year.
February 4th, 2017 at 7:35 am
I have been saying Poe since October! Thanks for the vindication Joe! :))
If Berry is gone…Poe and JPP should be 1 and 1a targets.
February 4th, 2017 at 7:41 am
@Kalind…. Right!!!!!
Thanks JOE
I’ve been banging this drum too
February 4th, 2017 at 7:45 am
Make a deal bucs!!!!!
February 4th, 2017 at 7:53 am
@Pickgrin… Morning BUCS FAM. I gotta say I don’t agree with ya this time. It doesn’t matter where the money is spent. As long as it’s spent wisely. Would we take advantage of Poes strengths as suggested by myself earlier. If the answer is to just stick him in this 4-3 then, no. Not being spent wisely. That’s like saying we shouldn’t sign talent because the person he plays next to is talented… Do we not resign Kwon because we have David. Hell its people on here saying we should give Glennon 8 per to ride the pine. Are you kidding me? Save the 8 (not Glennon) and give it to Poe
Just saying that line of thinking doesn’t work for me. This team needs talent… FA and DRAFT
February 4th, 2017 at 7:55 am
This is like fantasy football… I like it!!! lol
February 4th, 2017 at 7:57 am
Poe or Campbell would be good signings. Would prefer Campbell because to me he is still good against the run but is a better pass rusher than Poe. Not to mention it would be a shorter, cheaper contract. Both would be good tho.
February 4th, 2017 at 7:59 am
Brandon Williams NT from Baltimore is 1st choice. He is 6 1 340 ish- a man beast. Williams Listed as top 10 free agent so he will be more expensive than Poe. Poe sounds like a good option # 2. Good to hear probably both guys will be available cause both teams have cap issues . Bucs need that beef in the middle cause teams ran it right up the gut with gmc doubled. Pay the money. This line needs a guy like that. The Giants Dline and Baltimore Dline has that beef and their two of the best run stoppers in NFL. Happy hunting licht.
February 4th, 2017 at 8:00 am
Kinda hope this happens,it would end the running debate on this site about the play of gmc(sorry they will remain lower case until I see him consistently play like a BIG BOY). He had a sack at the probowl which is mainly an exhibition but I watched him the rest of night and he reminded me of the regular season gmc. Ball snaps all other D linemen go forward gmc remains in his original position shadowing left or right in hopes of swatting at the ball once the QB releases it. Many of you feel it is a totally diffrent player playing adjacent to him that is currently missing,I feel something on the inside of him is what is missing.
February 4th, 2017 at 8:04 am
Keep Poe go get Campbell. I want more than football ability. I want that to be acompanied with a mean and surly attitude.
February 4th, 2017 at 8:14 am
Just in case you are one of the fans that would like to help Jason Licht spend money in free agency, here are the prominent 2017 free agents and their market valuations as reported by Spotrac.com. For your convenience, I listed them by position of need and projected value.
Wide Receiver
WR Alshon Jeffrey (26) 12.2mil
WR Terelle Pryor (27) 8.9mil
WR Pierre Garcon (30) 8.7mil
WR Kenny Stills (24) 8.2mil
WR DeSean Jackson (30) 7.6mil
WR Brandon Lafell (30) 6.6mil
WR Ted Ginn, Jr. (31) 4.2mil
Running Back
RB Le’Veon Bell (24) 10.5mil
RB Adrian Peterson (31) possible UFA ??
RB Jamaal Charles (30) possible UFA ??
Offensive Line
LG Kevin Zeitler (26) 11.2mil
LG Ron Leary (27) 9.1mil
C J.C. Tretter (25) 8.7mil
RG Larry Warford (25) 8.5mil
RG T.J. Lang (29) 8.4mil
RT Ricky Wagner (27) 6.9mil
Defensive Line
DT Kawann Short (27) 17.2mil
DE Chandler Jones (26) 16.2mil
DE Jason Pierre Paul (28) 14.6mil
DT Dontari Poe (26) 13.0mil
DT Brandon Williams (27) 11.6mil
DE Calais Campbell (30) 8.4mil
DE William Gholston (25) 5.8mil
Secondary
CB Trumaine Johnson (27) 13.0mil
CB Stephon Gilmore (26) 13.0mil
CB A.J. Bouye (25) 11.2mil
FS Eric Berry (28) 9.1mil
SS Tony Jefferson (25) 6.2mil
These are the best players in the league at the top of their game and their expected average salaries reflect that. Keep in mind, these are projected valuations based on comparable contracts, player stats, and the NFL salary cap. There is nothing to say the players will accept these offers or that teams will make such offers or that the Spotrac valuations are even correct.
You can obviously see why it is better to develop and keep your own. Don’t expect Jason Licht to pursue many if any at all of the top players because it goes against his philosophy for team development. But somebody will pony up and these guys will get paid. Happens every year!
February 4th, 2017 at 8:32 am
@WhatdaBuc
“It doesn’t matter where the money is spent. As long as it’s spent wisely.”
I agree with this completely!! Nice observation. Spending the money wisely is what counts.
Spending it wisely generally means not overpaying but even that is overstated.
The Rams were crucified when they gave Marshall Faulk what was then unheard of $$$ for an RB. Think the Rams regretted their decision?
Sometimes you get a bargain…sometimes you get what you pay for…and sometimes you overpay…but if the overpaid player still performs at top level it’s a lot better than a so called bargain that just doesn’t produce.
The players and agents say…”Show me the money!” GM’s say…show me the production. This is why the GMC arguments simply do not hold water. He HAS produced…8 sack average per year over the past four years from a position that never leads the NFL in sacks. Sacks come from the edge now and the top 18 sackers are LB’s and DE’s.
If Licht thinks he can afford Poe at whatever price Licht’s capologist has given him…then by all means sign him. Over the past few years two plays against the Buc defenses leave me sick…the quick slants and getting gashed up the middle by a strong running game. Poe puts an end to at least one of those weaknesses. I think Smitty’s defense is correcting the other as well.
February 4th, 2017 at 8:40 am
A question for the GMC softie crowd…not about GMC but this idea that he doesn’t bring enough “meanness”.
I’m curious as to what constitutes mean or badarse? I need some examples.
It’s a given here that everybody believes Sapp was HOF because he was a bad, mean and rude dude. Forget his fat body with freakish fast twitch muscles and natural strength (dude was notoriously lazy in the weight room and bragged about it) that enabled him to blow by OL…he won the ovarian lottery and was blessed.
So what about other Bucs…rate the for me 1-10 on level of meanness and just all around bad boys…I’m not talking HARD hitters or great players…I’m talking players with a giant CHIP on their shoulder like Sapp…or Incognito…or the guy who gets all the props at GMC’s position Suh.
Again…not how good were they…how nasty were they?
DB55 ???
Lynch ???
Ronde ???
LVD ???
Kwon???
On offense Frank Middleton come to mind…he was borderline? dirty.
February 4th, 2017 at 8:42 am
Lets assume that we resign the following FA’s
Offense
• Jacquizz Rodgers RB (27)
• Russell Shepard WR (26)
• Joe Hawley C (28)
Defense
• William Gholston DE (26)
• Bradley McDougald S (26)
• Josh Robinson CB (26)
Rough Estimate – $30 mil (For Resigning those 6 FA’s)
February 4th, 2017 at 8:50 am
StPete, that last paragraph hits the nail square on the head. If we don’t fix the interior DLine, say goodbye to the playoffs next year. Every team will run-run-run on us, wear our DLine down, and then walk all over us us by the 4th qtr. Atlanta has the RBs to do that; so do the Panthers & even the Saints. We’ve got to shore up the middle of the DLine so that it can (1) stop the run; and (2) put middle pressure on the QBs (our DEs can take it from there). I know that $13-$14 mil for Poe is a lot, but he’s still young (only 26) and has only missed 2 games in 5 seasons. You get what you pay for, and his performance tells me that he’s worth it. He’s not a big sack-meister, but with he & GMC in the middle, our DEs should get a lot more sacks.
February 4th, 2017 at 8:53 am
@Stpetebucsfan…
Lol so sick of the run up the middle stuff too
@LUV…
So your saying we got the money. I’m good with that… Poe, Stills and Ron Leary
February 4th, 2017 at 9:07 am
Stpete….define nasty.
If nasty means personality nasty, that’s not what I want.
If nasty means, plays nasty. Yes that’s what NOS and I are looking for.
I think Kwon, Marpet, VHGIII, Jameis, and Mike Evans play up to that “nasty” level. A chip on their shoulder.
I’m sure Jameis be like….get that pansy assed ice cream bar out my face!
February 4th, 2017 at 9:08 am
No way Poe gets 13-14 mil. That’s crazy talk.
February 4th, 2017 at 9:09 am
WhatdaBUCisthis
$30 (M) For Resign our FA’s
$6.5 (M) Reserved for Draft Picks
$10 (M) Safe cushion carry-over into the season (Licht averages $8M)
*Total = $46.5 (M)
Now that roughly leaves us $29.5 on acquiring new FA’s
But If we choose to Release…
• Doug Martin RB $7,000,000
• Alterraun Verner CB $6,500,000
• Evan Smith C $3,500,000
• George Johnson DE $2,250,000
*Total = $19,750,00
That bumps that estimate up to $49,250,000 – to acquire new FA’s
February 4th, 2017 at 9:10 am
Nasty…and the mouth as to equal the play.
February 4th, 2017 at 9:16 am
@LUV
I really appreciate the factual analysis you bring to JBF.
You sir are the official JBF “Capologist” I love reading your facts and figures.
February 4th, 2017 at 9:19 am
Enought to add a few…
Top-Tier Prospects
• WR Pierre Garcon (30) 8.7mil
• DE Calais Campbell (30) 8.4mil
• CB A.J. Bouye (25) 11.2mil
• SS John Cyprien (26) 7.mil
Maybe add a few Lower-Tier Prospects
• RB Lance Dunbar (27)
• TE Ryan Griffin (27)
• G/T Austin Pasztor (26)
• LB Sean Weatherspoon (28)
February 4th, 2017 at 9:20 am
Stpetebucsfan
Thank you Sir.
I appreciate the wisdom, and common sense you add as well
February 4th, 2017 at 9:22 am
87 we were just raised differently. I was raised with “Sticks and stones (big hits) can break my bones but words will NEVER hurt me.”
I loved competing against guys with big mouths. I always viewed them as incredibly insecure people who needed to yammer to pump up THEIR own confidence. A big mouth never stopped as single play.
My all time favorite NFL player…Jimmy Brown. Never once opened his mouth…always walked back to the huddle like the other guys just crushed him.
When asked why he did that he explained…(Brown was actually a very cerebral player)…”If I walk back to the huddle like the other team has just laid me out on every play…they never know when the actually DID hurt me.
There is a reason for cliches..they have genuine meaning…as in “talk is cheap”.
Sapp is in the HOF not because he had a BIG mouth or was a jerk of a human being…or because he had the best work ethic or heart…Sapp is in the HOF because he won the Ovarian lottery. He had a freakish fast twitch set of muscles and strength on one of the UGLIEST bodies to play his position.
February 4th, 2017 at 9:27 am
I just want to get Poe so all of the excuses for McCoy go away then we will truly see if is “dominant”. But it’s not going to happen and the excuses will continue from the apologists.
February 4th, 2017 at 9:28 am
Stpete…very different.
See thread below about guys wanting more money.
February 4th, 2017 at 9:28 am
BTW 87 not to belabor this point…but there is talk and there is talk. #3 is a talker but it’s a joyous expression of a love of the game…ENTHUSIASM. It’s not any in your face or standing over a fallen player.
When I did East Tennessee States’ bb game waaay back they had a player named Calvin Talford…a 6-4 swing player who was also a gifted athlete..Phillies drafted him…he went to the finals of state high jump…he and the Bucs..yeah ETSU also Bucs…on the road against Applachian State…he soars down the lane like Michael Jordan and throws one down over a 7′ defender.
Even the road crowd roared..it was freaking amazing…and the moment reminds me of what I see in #3 these days. Calvin finally landed and didn’t posture, pose or stare down the 7 footer…like the rest of us…he was amazed! He felt blessed! I believe that #3 realizes he blessed and just gets wrapped up in all that joy.
Some like football, hockey for the violence…I’m down with that to a degree but I love sports for the sheer joy of competing..seeing what our/their bodies can accomplish. Watching somebody like Norman and Beckham jaw and push around doesn’t excite me at all. If I feel the need for pure violence I’d just watch the UFC.
February 4th, 2017 at 9:31 am
How much to sign Poe? Thought Gholstin was a glorified run stuffer…
February 4th, 2017 at 9:33 am
See I think soft crap is pointless drival and have never said it. My issue with McCoy is that he is like a magic act in that you are going to see a vanishing act at minimum once a game and that is usually when it matters most.
February 4th, 2017 at 9:35 am
If we walkout of Free Agency …
Rewarding a few of our own FA’s
Offense
• Jacquizz Rodgers RB (27)
• Russell Shepard WR (26)
• Joe Hawley C (28)
Defense
• William Gholston DE (26)
• Bradley McDougald S (26)
• Josh Robinson CB (26)
Acquire a Few New…
Top-Tier Prospects
• WR Pierre Garcon (30) 8.7mil
• DE Calais Campbell (30) 8.4mil
• CB A.J. Bouye (25) 11.2mil
• SS John Cyprien (26) 7.mil
WIN WIN for the Bucs.
February 4th, 2017 at 9:41 am
ndog
Please define dominant. He’s employed to be a pass rusher. Poe would be employed to be a run stuffer. They are two different skills sets in today’s specialized NFL.
So if you concede that we have GMC to get sacks/QB hits…define dominant.
Check out the DT’s over the past four years and tell me which one has been more dominant at getting sacks…I’ll help…I do not know for sure but I suspect Geno Atkins would be the one. But I feel certain GMC will be among the top 3 or 4 DT’s in the ENTIRE NFL in sacks.
People keep talking about TEN sacks…double digits…I get that…but how many DT’s in today’s game…not Sapp’s era…are getting double digits? Last year Geno lead the way with 9..Donald and Campbell 8 and GMC 7…GMC has AVERAGED 8+ sacks for the past four years. That’s a consistent number for four seasons.
And so is Atkins dominant? Suh? Which DT in this league is Dominant.
AGAIN…3 DT’s in this league were paid more than GMC with Suh paid a BUNCH more. NONE of them recorded more sacks (GMC’s primary role) than GMC.
Pointing out FACTS is not the same as being an “apologist”. Hurling cheap charges without ANY facts just opinion is….what being opinionated?
So should we look at FACTS here or the OPINIONS of bloggers when those opinions are in direct contrast with the opinion of the rest of the league?
February 4th, 2017 at 9:41 am
No go on Poe too much money
February 4th, 2017 at 9:50 am
@LUVMYBUCS
I love that list. Then we just draft a Speed receiver, starting RB, TE depth, DL depth, development FS, OL depth which we should be capable of doing. Playoff Bound!
February 4th, 2017 at 9:53 am
We’re gonna have to spend at least $10mil to retain Glennon.
February 4th, 2017 at 10:00 am
Solid Upgrade(s)s: Rush/Pass Defense
Draft: DE-Charles Harris
• LDE Robert Ayers | Noah Spence | Ryan Russell
• LDT Gerald McCoy | Clinton McDonald
• RDT Calais Campbell | DaVonte Lambert
• RDE William Gholston | *Charles Harris
Draft: SS/LB Jalen Reeves-Maybin
• WLB Lavonte David | Adarius Glanton
• MLB Kwon Alexander |
• SLB Sean Spence | *Jalen Reeves-Maybin
* Draft: CB-Cameron Sutton
• LCB Brent Grimes | Josh Robinson
• RCB A.J. Bouye | *Cameron Sutton
• SCB Vernon Hargreaves | Jude Adjei-Barimah
Draft: S-Justin Evans
• SS John Cyprien | *Justin Evans
• FS Bradley McDougald | Keith Tandy
February 4th, 2017 at 10:05 am
@LUVMYBUCS … “Rough Estimate – $30 mil (For Resigning those 6 FA’s).” Love your CAP analysis, but I think we’ll have to re-sign at least 16 of our own FAs … that means 10 more in addition to the 6 FAs you mentioned for the $30 mil. You know, RFA players like Griffin & Jack Smith, plus ERFAs like Brate, Humphries & Jude among others.
I also think Bucs will release Martin, Verner, E. Smith & Johnson to save another $20 mil, or at the very least renegotiate their contracts way down. Assuming they release them, Bucs could have almost $50 mil to re-sign our own remaining FAs (beyond the 6 you mentioned) and sign several new FAs to fill some of our holes on offense & defense (WR, RB, TE, S, LB, OLine, DLine). Oops forgot, we still have to keep a CAP eye on the next few yrs at least, when guys like Evans come due. I don’t envy Jason Licht in his responsibilities over the next several months.
February 4th, 2017 at 10:07 am
Joeypoppems
#Respect
February 4th, 2017 at 10:10 am
That about sums it up 87.
February 4th, 2017 at 10:12 am
St pete it’s simple watch the games and how many times do you ask yourself is he even playing? When end up doing that every week that’s not a difference maker. Believe what you want I will believe my eyes and 30 plus years of warching football and every game of his career
February 4th, 2017 at 10:14 am
Defense Rules
I left a little wiggle room in the $30 (M) rough estimate
This year, the tender amounts are (Tender)
-$1.671 million <–"IF" they choose to Tender Smith
-$2.553 million <- Griffin
-$3.635 million <–Brate
respectively.
February 4th, 2017 at 10:24 am
Ndog
I take your point. We and the league will just have to agree to disagree…but it is a sports blog and everybody is entitled to their opinions. Besides how boring would it be if we all agreed about everything?
February 4th, 2017 at 10:32 am
Yeah I root for the guy trust me but I’m just tired of waiting every game for him to step up. I hope each year that I am wrong but it never seems to happen.
February 4th, 2017 at 10:53 am
NOS-BOS,
Just for you! lol.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2691011-nfl-mock-draft-2017-complete-1st-round-predictions-before-nfl-honors
February 4th, 2017 at 11:01 am
If not double and sometimes triple teamed Poe can easily wreck an offensive game plan…Pairing Poe with McCoy wouldn’t even be fair…McCoy is the best 3tech in the game…and Poe is a 340 lbs. man that’s as strong as a bull and runs a 4.8 forty yard dash…Sign him, he’s a big upgrade over Spence and McDonald…
February 4th, 2017 at 11:16 am
ERFA: There is one other kind of free agent, which isn’t really very “free” at all. That is the Exclusive Rights Free Agent (ERFA). Such a player has no more than two accrued seasons in the NFL and may only sign with his prior team, provided, of course, that the team extends a minimum qualifying offer to the player.
List 2017 – ERFA’s for the BUCS
Offense
• Russell Hansbrough
• Freddie Martino
• Adam Humphries
• Donteea Dye
• Cameron Brate
Defense
• Howard Jones
• Cameron Lynch
• Ryan Russell
• Jude Adjei-Barimah
• John Lowdermilk
February 4th, 2017 at 11:17 am
ERFA – Example(s) 2016
• Deshawn Shead – Assigned a 1 year $760k tender with Seattle (SEA)
• Chris Matthews – Signed a 1 year $600k contract with (BAL)
February 4th, 2017 at 11:25 am
Restricted free agent (RFA): Can be offered three pre-determined one-year contracts. Another team can swoop in and try to beat the offer, but the original team can match the offer (and can get a draft pick if he’s signed away).
BUCS – 2017 RFA’s
Offense
• Ryan Griffin QB 27
• Josh Huff WR 25
• Austin Johnson FB 27
Defense
• Jacquies Smith DE 26
• Adarius Glanton OLB 26
• Andrew DePaola LS 29
First round tender: 1 year, about $3.582 million
Second round tender: 1 year, about $2.516 million
Right of first refusal/Original round tender: 1 year, about $1.647 million
Are ANY of these guys worth a 1st Round tender?
How about a 2nd Round tender?
Note:Both (DE )Smith & (LS) DePaola, are coming off season ending injuries.
Huff is expected to be suspended a few games.
February 4th, 2017 at 11:40 am
@LUVMYBUCS what do you think about jonathan hankinsk
February 4th, 2017 at 11:42 am
LUVMYBUCS … OK, now you’ve got me thinking (and yes, it hurts). The real question is … “If we were in Jason Licht’s shoes, what would we do to create the 2017 Bucs roster?” You’ve laid out a very interesting scenario about who’d you’d re-sign and draft in those 5 postings (8:42, 9:09, 9:19, 9:35 and 10:00 AM) and I see a lot of potential in there. But I’m still in favor of a beefier DLine with more push in the interior (for instance, would much rather have Dontari Poe than Calais Campbell playing DT). Agree that we need another DE, but would rather have Charlton over Harris (with Noah Spence & Jack Smith we already have 2 undersized but fast DEs; Charlton brings some beef & could serve as Ayers replacement). Would also like to draft a MLB to compete inside with Kwon.
February 4th, 2017 at 12:54 pm
@macabee
Thanks for the link! Yeah NOSBOS will be orgasmic and he’s not alone. I’d get pretty excited if we get Dalvin at 19.
Then Jackson or Stills in FA and do whatever necessary to get Curtis Samuels in the 2nd even if we have to give up something to move up.
We sign Poe and our DL suddenly looks more stout…then we have to wait to see if Sweezy gets healthy and if Benenoch when healthy is also the real deal.
But even if we spent three picks to get Dalvin and Samuels…our offensive suddenly goes from the slowest in the league to one of the fastest especially if we sign DeSean…and we can use the rest of the picks on BPA for safety, OL and DL.
February 4th, 2017 at 3:27 pm
Adding a d-tackle like Poe makes sense. If you look back at Smiths defensive lines at Jacksonville, he went with bigger tackles (Marcus Stroud 312lbs and John Henderson 328lbs) and smaller/fast ends and linebackers. It gives the defense the ability to be physical and tough to run on, but still still be fast enough to get after the QB. Like most, I liked what I saw from the defense last year, but we’re still missing that physical presence in the middle to intimidate opposing offenses.
February 4th, 2017 at 3:52 pm
Poe is 300+ pounds and had great speed for a DT. He is a much more realistic sign than Berry would be.
Part of the reason the Chiefs redzone D is the best in the NFL is because Poe takes away the run up the middle forcing opponets to pass in limited space. Poe would be able to help our redzone D drastically. Any player you can get from the Chiefs defense is a big help.
February 4th, 2017 at 3:55 pm
I like McDonald as a #3 roatational DT not as a full time starter.
February 4th, 2017 at 6:01 pm
I don’t think Poe hits FA. More teams seem to be focusing on on the front seven or even just the DLine in today’s NFL. If the Chiefs let anyone walk I think it will be Berry.
February 4th, 2017 at 6:02 pm
Also thank you LUV for the numbers.
February 4th, 2017 at 6:27 pm
As Joe wrote — and you can read from the links — Clark Hunt seems to suggest the opposite, and he cuts the checks for the Chiefs.
February 4th, 2017 at 6:41 pm
Joe that is just him talking. He sounds like a used car salesman. He is pumping Berry probably because of the stance Berry has already taken. With Poe he is downplaying the importance and therefore the value of Poe while knowing the real value of him. The recent focus has shifted to the defensive line and stopping the run games and getting after the QB
February 4th, 2017 at 6:56 pm
Also I expect the Chiefs will move on from Jamaal Charles due to his injuries and age.
February 4th, 2017 at 7:28 pm
Just moving on from Foles and Charles will give the Chiefs 20m in cap space. They restructure a few other contracts and they are good.
February 4th, 2017 at 9:24 pm
Then draft Barnett or Solomon to add to that line!!
Sign him JL, and then draft that DE!
February 5th, 2017 at 12:09 am
IF POE LEAVES HE WOULD COST ALOT.
but at the same time with POE the bucs could actually change to a 3-4
GMC POE WHOEVER ELSE FOR 3rd dl
Could have spence and David on the OLB (or move David inside and get a new pass rushing olb)
Kwon and another MLB (depending if we keep David on the outside)
February 5th, 2017 at 3:32 am
Poe would be huge. Someone put up the billboard.
February 5th, 2017 at 12:25 pm
Sign Poe, Bouye, and draft another safety and DE. That fixes our D. Sign a speedy WR and draft a couple as well as drafting a RB. And add a couple O Lineman and call it an offseason. I personally love McCaffrey. He is a great RB and can also play the slot. He is quick and weighs 225 lbs. He is special.
Imagine our D line with GMC, Poe, Spawn, Ayers, and Smith coming back. Not to mention our other DTs and possibly Gholston. We would be even better than our Super Bowl winning D Line