Crossing Fingers For Unexpected
February 16th, 2017
Could he tumble?
Yes, Joe understands the Bucs need a wide receiver terribly. But could they hit the lottery?
It seems the consensus among many NFL observers is the best wide receiver in this spring’s draft class is Mike Williams of Clemson.
Obviously, Williams has played in big games, including the past two national championships. And he’s come up big in both games.
Reading the Twitter feed of Chris Trapasso of NFL.com, Trapasso believes Williams is the best receiver to enter the draft in a few years and likens him to a receiver Bucs fans — Stick Carriers! — know very well.
@ChrisTrapasso: Haven’t watched/studied an NFL prospect as good in legitimate jump ball/contested catch situations as Mike Williams since Mike Evans in ’14.
That’s high praise there.
So how in the world would the best receiver in a draft class in a passing league fall to the Bucs at No. 19?
Outside of him walking into team interviews at the NFL Scouting Combine with a lit joint in one hand and a bottle of Jack Daniels in the other ,with a posse of loose women following his every step, Joe isn’t sure how.
(That’s one way for a prospect to make sure he doesn’t wind up with a Cleveland mailing address.)
That is, unless Bucs AC/DC-loving general manager Jason Licht trades up in the draft. Hey, we’re talking about a guy who traded up into the second round for a kicker here.
February 16th, 2017 at 9:06 am
Much as I hate the move up talk… I’d be down with that
February 16th, 2017 at 9:11 am
Sure you don’t want Murphy instead Joe!
February 16th, 2017 at 9:14 am
The draft always seems to have some surprises.
If we get lucky one of the following will fall to us:
Dalvin Cook
Mike Williams
Corey Davis
February 16th, 2017 at 9:30 am
Through mid February Williams has an average ranking of 8-10 on mock drafts and top prospects boards. With the Buc’s at 19 like joe says he is going to have to walk into his combine interviews stoned and limping. Over the years I have seen stranger things happen (Sapp) but as it stands now unless we want to trade our 2018 first Rd pick and our 2nd Rd this year we are screwed. Now Corey Davis is another story, at an average of 14-16 he falls in the realm of possibility.
February 16th, 2017 at 9:32 am
If lenord, dalvin, or williams drops past say 12, you gotta go up and get them.
February 16th, 2017 at 9:33 am
Prob the best player in the draft. Not falling to 19! either is cook!
February 16th, 2017 at 9:39 am
Joe. Please. The aguayo argument is so weak man. We traded away a 4th rounder that we essentially got for free, because we still got Hargreaves. We still had the same amount of picks made at the end of the draft as we started with. So we basically just swapped our early 3rd round pick for a late second round pick.
February 16th, 2017 at 9:40 am
I said this in the last article. Yes, Licht trades up in drafts to get guys, but he hasnt given up picks (not yet anyway) to do it.
So yes you can say “He would do it. He traded up for a kicker” but he didnt really give up anything for it.
Trading up in the first round could very well be too expensive for him to pull the trigger. And I wouldnt blame him for not doing it.
February 16th, 2017 at 10:00 am
As stated previously Falcons traded the house for Julio Jones, and look how that turned out for them. Mike Williams is a can’t miss prospect, kid has proven he is a baller on the big stage twice against colleges best talent. I would be ok with this if he fell to 6,7,8 pick and we traded up. Maybe that is next years first round pick as well, but honestly how many times has this team drafted busts? Plenty. I would give up and entire draft for a stud that’s gonna play 10 years all day. However Licht seems to do pretty well at drafting so getting more talent all around the team is also important. Let’s let free agency play out I feel we will be big players there, not necessarily with sexy signings but solid players who can make a difference and won’t cost a fortune. This team is on the rise and koetter and Licht know that.
February 16th, 2017 at 10:02 am
Is this what they call a ‘tease piece’ Joe? What are the realistic odds of Mike Williams falling so far when so many other teams ahead of us need a WR? And say he did fall all the way to #19, might it not be prudent to ask ‘WHY’? And maybe other questions like ‘Who else is still on the board & might they contribute even more as an impact player for the Bucs?’
And as far as moving up goes, obviously Licht would need to make that call at the moment, but … Bucs have LOTS of priority needs right now (WR, RB, TE, S, OLine, DLine), and giving up say our Rnds 1,2 & 4 picks to move up to grab a WR just doesn’t sound prudent, even if that WR’s name is Mike Williams. Admittedly he is a fantastic prospect, but there are other WRs available who could do just as good a job of ‘stretching the field’ IMO.
February 16th, 2017 at 10:04 am
Wouldn’t blame him if he did. How long is the build thru the draft process suppose to take anyway. Their are some gamechangers in the first. Lets go get one Licht.
February 16th, 2017 at 10:06 am
Blake and Joey- aren’t you sick of these people not understanding what we did in last years draft. We lost a 3rd but gained a 2nd…an absolute win, we gave away a fourth rounder that we got when we traded down and still got the guy Licht obviously wanted…again a free 4th rounder used as leverage to get a 2nd instead of a 3rd. Just because we used it on a kicker that stunk last year is why people can’t let it go. If Aguayo goes 26/30 and only misses one XP next year it still wouldn’t be good enough for these people. Everyone needs to give him a chance to adjust to the NFL rarely does a 2nd rounder come to the NFL and dominate at any position. Last year was his year to adjust. If he comes in to camp and sucks, so be it, admit your mistake and move on, Aguayo has left himself no wiggle room, he better improve or he will be gone
February 16th, 2017 at 10:17 am
Honestly, I want Corey Davis. I watched all their highlights and Davis is a beast. Just my opinion.
Just a funny thing to add that happened to me. I was posting on Bucs Nation and said how much I disagreed with Sander. I mentioned you guys as a better source of news and several posters laughed at that notion. I just wanted to let you know, Sander has nothing on the Joes and I lost a lot of respect for their followers to disagree.
February 16th, 2017 at 10:18 am
Guys……….you know how this works. You can dream all you want but once the Combine comes Williams, Cook, and Davis will blow up the Combine and will solidify themselves as Top Ten picks and will simply be out of reach. The guy that intrigues me the most offensively is McCaffery. He is projected to go late first round currently in most drafts. If he kills the combine which I think he will then maybe he will be just the right pick a 19. I still would rather have Derek Barnett though.
February 16th, 2017 at 10:18 am
No chance Williams fall to us, in fact I’d be more worried about the panthers falling in love with him and pairing with with Kelvin Benjamin. Boy wouldn’t that be a nightmare scenario.our 5’10 corners would have a heck of a time. In fact I bet that’s most likely how this plays out, panthers will either get a top running back or a top receiver, either way bad news for us.
February 16th, 2017 at 10:20 am
It’s all just guesses at this point, but my gut feeling is Williams, Fournette, Cook and Davis are all off the board by the time the Bucs pick. I’d guess Fournette and Williams go in the 3-9 range, Cook in the 6-12 range and Davis 12-15. I’d say stay put and take the best offensive weapon available at 19….Howard, McCaffrey, Samuel, etc. There will also be a few good RB’s and WR still available in Round 2. No need to panic and move around too much.
February 16th, 2017 at 10:21 am
I really don’t see a need to trade up from 19. A good player will fall to us there regardless. Why waste a pick?
Trading back into the first? Maybe.
I would also be in favor of trading McCoy for 2 firsts and a second. That would let us replace him with a younger player, free up a ton of cap room, and we’d have extra picks.
February 16th, 2017 at 10:21 am
@Nosbos
The build through the draft process never ends. You weed out the vets with young talent. You get the young talent from the draft. It’s a cycle. Which is why trading away a bunch of picks for 1 guy isn’t worth it to me.
February 16th, 2017 at 10:21 am
I don’t know about y’all but when Licht was hired I assure you all when he mentioned this team being built thru the draft he wasn’t thinking five years. This is the moment of truth right here right now. This off season and this draft completes the three year project. Didn’t take Pete Carrol forever to put a championship roster together a roster filled with undrafted free agents mind you. Get young talent on defense aquire a top rusher and hit on your franchise QB which they did. Walla championship.
February 16th, 2017 at 10:21 am
Defensive end at 19.
February 16th, 2017 at 10:22 am
Unless we sign a good one in free agency.
February 16th, 2017 at 10:23 am
I wonder if they are quietly asking about they could get in return for gmc.. People are asking rather or not should the Texans trade JJ.
February 16th, 2017 at 10:24 am
Moving up for a wide receiver = yes! Moving up for a RB = no…
February 16th, 2017 at 10:31 am
Bonzai 2 first and a 2nd. No one goingc for that. A first and a player under 25 and I’m good.
February 16th, 2017 at 10:34 am
We just watched Julio play in a superbowl on a prolific offense. He was held to 4 catches and under 100 yards. With Sanu on the other side. But no to RB and yes to WR as far as trading up.. Really.
February 16th, 2017 at 10:36 am
As others have stated I don’t think we trade up. It is far more likely that we trade back into the first or second again to pick up a player we value.
February 16th, 2017 at 10:37 am
See y’all say everyday no this and no that to RB in the first but I can’t recall the last time I saw a WR’s performance win a superbowl. Maybe Jerry Rice in 1988..
February 16th, 2017 at 10:43 am
A rushing attack,great defense,conservative passing game and solid special teams. CC’s keys to winning a superbowl. Just ask Brad Johnson,Russell Wilson,Big Ben,Tom Brady,Jeff Hosteler to mention a few.
February 16th, 2017 at 10:45 am
H3ll I’ll add Troy Aikman,Terry Bradshaw,Eli and Peyton Manning.
February 16th, 2017 at 10:49 am
CC said last week on FS1 a member of Pats coaching staff from the Pats team that beat the Rams in superbowl told him if they had simply changed they’re gameplan they would’ve beaten the Pats because they had prepaired all week to stop the pass heavy offense. Same could be said the falcons.
February 16th, 2017 at 11:01 am
I was with you until the last line JJ. Aguayo is a kicker. I know you are not alone but anyone who acts like being a rookie kicker is the same as being a rookie QB or middle linebacker is simply wrong. There are no intricate schemes he needs to learn and he doesn’t need to adjust to the talent and speed of the opposing teams. There is nothing different for him. The field goal posts are still the same and distances are still measured the same. He kicked for a big time school that had huge crowds and he kicked in huge games (i.e. National championship games). I wholeheartedly agree that he struggled as a rookie, but he did not struggle BECAUSE he was a rookie. Any excuse outside of that may hold water, but that one certainly does not.
February 16th, 2017 at 11:01 am
@nosbps. Yeah Lichts 1st year he talked about not wanting the fans to be patient. And he was hyper aggressive in free agency.
After that swiftly blew up in his face, he was then quoted the following year saying something to the effect of, I strayed from what i know works, and that every successful team he’s been a part of builds through the draft.
And he’s only been the gm for 3 years now.
From 2-14, to 6-10, to 9-7, to Superbowl Champions?
February 16th, 2017 at 11:02 am
NFL Scouting Combine with a lit joint in one hand and a bottle of Jack Daniels in the other ,with a posse of loose women following his every step
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#GoalsAF
Didn’t Randy Moss and Ricky Williams do the same thing? And Tunsil?
They turned out okay, didn’t they?
February 16th, 2017 at 11:04 am
@Nosbos
Idk his stats and I dont remember what SB number it was, but that Santonio Holmes catch when the Steelers beat the Cardinals, his performance with that catch alone won that game for the Steelers. I get you’re point tho about defense winning championships. Which is why defense round 1 makes the most sense to me.
February 16th, 2017 at 11:07 am
I disagree touchdown. A rookie kicker may not necessitate a difference physically, but they do so mentally. He is not having fun in college with friends anymore. He is a professional now who is playing for money on a much bigger stage, outside of the national championship. The balls are in fact bigger too, which is a dumb excuse and I get that. From what you’re saying, there is barely any physical difference between the two. So you’re telling me that arguably the most efficient K in college football history just all of the sudden couldn’t handle it one day? It’s clearly evident it was in his head BECAUSE he was a rookie and was adjusting. As the season progressed, he improved….mentally. As he will do this season in his second year. He has the physical tools just needs to polish his mentality.
February 16th, 2017 at 11:47 am
Licht’s policy is “build through the draft.” Highly doubt he is going to trade up that high costing two or three very high picks.
February 16th, 2017 at 12:01 pm
i am with you Buc Bonzai….I think it is time to trade McCoy… 2 first and 1 second would be GREAT. Hell i would take 1 First and 1 Second in this years draft and this years cap space.
February 16th, 2017 at 12:21 pm
We need to continue adding pieces to our defense not remove pro bowlers at least for the next 2 years. The defense is creating a solid foundation to continue developing our gunslinger Jameis.
off-season priorities are:
DE/DT Campbell
RB Rodgers
FB FA Patrick DiMarco
#2 WR
You mess with the defense and it gets worst watch Jameis try to do too much. We will be back to a losing record fellows!
February 16th, 2017 at 12:23 pm
TouchdownTB:
Not equating a K with a LB, by position, just their maturity but I hear ya- not making an excuse for the guy, but what everyone is failing to see is that this was the strangest year I have ever seen for kicking. Justin Tucker was actually the anomaly this year because a lot of these other struggled at times. It just happened to be Aguayos first year and he had the (mis?)fortune of being drafted in the 2nd round- not his fault but adds to the pressure. I think he will come in this year and be more relaxed do great, JMO (though it may be my Noles colored glasses speaking). Historically second year guys in general do better. Again not equating positions but the pressure- ATL fans were ready to throw Vic Beasley on the trash heap after his rookie year. He worked on his craft, studied and came back and was a man-beast. I hope Aguayo just didn’t work hard enough in the off season last year-my guess is this year will be much different.
February 16th, 2017 at 12:29 pm
I would also be in favor of trading McCoy for 2 firsts and a second.
I think many of us would take that deal Bonzai…not sure another team would however. Nosbos would take less than me but for me it would depend on how high of a first and second….obviously the Pats and Falcons have the equivalent of high 2nd rounders with their first picks. If you look at the actuarial charts of draft pick success and busts there is a pretty significant different between the top half of any round and the bottom half. If one of the top ten drafting teams offered their 1st and 2nd I’d surely have to consider it…and I’m not a GMC hater.
And a question for all who want to dump GMC. Dude has averaged 8 sacks per year for the past four years from a position that is not generally loaded with guys getting sacks…Geno Atkins and Donald…so who is going to give us sacks from the inside? Do we care? If the inside had Calais Campbell and some immovable guys to stuff runs is our outside rush enough? LVD blitzing. And how about using VHG like Ronde and letting him blitz a bit.
Lots of questions and reading JBF I see lots and lots and lots of answers. LMAO
February 16th, 2017 at 12:54 pm
Mike Williams was injured in the Season Opener of 2015, with a Neck Fracture. And he didn’t play again until the 2016 Opener. Some teams have concerns about his neck injury.The fractured bone is his neck is what concern teams.
February 16th, 2017 at 1:03 pm
Who is going to create pressure inside?
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Good question. I think Ayers and or mcdonald can create pressure from inside. There also a few FAs like Short who could do the same.
But for sure Soloman Thomas out of Stanford. There’s a few options. Even signing fairly as a run stopper. Which we desperately need.
February 16th, 2017 at 1:23 pm
2 first and a second for a good but not great DT who is injury prone, soft and mentally weak… Yeah that is going to happen. Use the soft one in a package to move up that’s the best you can hope for. You are not going to get a first round pick for an often hurt older player on the decline. not going to happen. get him out of the locker room so the bucs can go onto greatness. that is the best you can hope for. eradicate the leader of the losing culture licht. you know its the right thing to do.
February 16th, 2017 at 1:42 pm
Y’all drive me crazy with this GMC bashing… If you don’t like what this team does during the season and offseason it’s simple… GO JUMP ON ANOTHER TEAMS NUTS we will be fine without you… get over the damn negativity and become a real fan… but but but he’s got a bad attitude!!!! So do most of you gmc hating asshats, are ya catching on yet?!?!?!? OUR OPINIONS DONT MATTER so please STFU about how much you hate GMC cuz the man isn’t going anywhere… realize it. Accept it. Get over it. Be positive for your team spread cheer and even when the odds are against us stand up and raise hell for the Bucs. GO BUCS!!!!!
February 16th, 2017 at 1:43 pm
Corey Davis, if we can get him.
February 16th, 2017 at 1:54 pm
tmaxcon Says:
February 16th, 2017 at 1:23 pm
2 first and a second for a good but not great DT who is injury prone, soft and mentally weak…
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You’re saying GMC is stupid, “mentally weak”? Prove it.
February 16th, 2017 at 1:57 pm
GMC is the best player on the Bucs defense…hands down….no argument. 5 times Pro Bowl, PFF Top-101, 1st team All-Pro, 4 time NFL’s Top-100 players.
February 16th, 2017 at 3:12 pm
Ya, the GMC hate is getting old. I get he has an awkward/annoying personality but the play on the field speaks for itself.
February 16th, 2017 at 3:26 pm
Nole on Sat- Bucc on Sun Says
“See y’all say everyday no this and no that to RB in the first but I can’t recall the last time I saw a WR’s performance win a superbowl.”
I would say these days the ball gets spread around to multiple WRs a lot. This year, Brady won the game using WRs mostly. The RB made a could good plays near the end, but it was WRs who helps the come back.
February 16th, 2017 at 3:33 pm
I don’t hate GMC. If fact he’s my favorite defensive player. I don’t want him to go.
But I also know that outside of offense, he is the most valuable player on this team.
He is considered one of the top DTs in the league. He’s JUST young enough to get the value in trade.
When I said two firsts, I meant one this year, one next year…and a second this year. If you consider on of the teams picks, say, at 15-32, then one of those teams might just be willing to pay that price. It all depends on the team and its needs. Not that I think Licht could pull off a trade that good. HE kind of sucks at trades outside the draft.
February 16th, 2017 at 3:42 pm
First time poster here…
Its all about separation and running routes
they do not want the next 2016 Laquon Trendwell. Big body, injury prone, slow receivers are too risky. They cant continuously out jump/use their body/create their own separation in the next level
they want 2016 tyreek hill/ michael thomas/ sterling shepard playmakers
Kobes draft
First round- tradeup to get corey davis. our #19 plus 4th round
2nd round – wr dede westbrook
rest of the draft and FA goes to defense and offensive line
***Without the acquisition of a waived slot player Taylor Gabriel, Atlanta would not made it into the superbowl
The new nfl
February 16th, 2017 at 3:42 pm
watching GMC disappear in big games and second halves of games is what is getting old… You guys never have plays to backup your love for the softest buc of all time… Even Scared Dexter has more heart… All you have is your garbage we are lucky to have him, coaches and peers love him. of course they do the next time you read a coach being honest about a player will be the first… If you want to shut up the haters come back remember that 4th qtr sack that sealed the win… I’ll give you the chinchilla grab on ryan ok so don’t bother with that one. How about when he made a HUGE play to stop the momenteum of a game on 3rd. Nope you all you guys have is the meaningless pro bowl and the even more meaningless nice guy crap. He has been the undisputed leader of the losing culture and his defensive teammates have played flat, unprepared and uninspired football the majority of his leadership tenure… Great Players and Real Leaders would never allow that to happen. It’s one thing not to have talent it’s another thing to not give full effort and too many times GMC led defenses showed little effort. Those are facts but hell he does have a great smile but it’s over shadowed by his love of losing.
February 16th, 2017 at 4:32 pm
Arealbucfan eat a fat d@$!. That dudes play might be satisfactory to you but not to us all. H3ll to be honest its primarily my only gripe about the team. How in the h3ll Ira Kaufman write one week he has bad film and the next week you can’t understand where some of us are coming from. I’ve articulated on numerous occasions I’m not all that high on sacks. I much rather my DT be disruptive, cause pressure make an opposing QB have to move in the pocket. I love tackles for lost and an occasional strip of those yearly eight sacks wouldn’t hurt dude. Now if you don’t like some of our criticisms how bout yo @$$ find another team and site to root for.
February 16th, 2017 at 4:34 pm
Ion care what those meaningless ranking say about him best player on this Defense my @$$. As it stands I’m giving that designation to Kwon. You know a player that gose ask out routinely all the time.
February 16th, 2017 at 4:35 pm
Best player on the defense man please.
February 16th, 2017 at 4:36 pm
Simply remove gmc and place Calais in front of Kwon and watch how dynamic he appears.
February 16th, 2017 at 4:40 pm
Moving up in the 1st round is typically a bad idea because it is so expensive.
BUT. If the value is there and you are damn sure your target is going to be a stud player and fits your team’s needs perfectly – then it has to be considered.
By “value” what I mean is – If the 3rd best player on your entire board drops to #11 – then it might just be worth it to trade your 2nd round pick along with your #19 pick to move up and get him. – Because if your evaluation of the player is correct in that case – that he truly IS the 3rd best player in the entire draft and you get him at 11 – then you theoretically just gained yourself almost 1000 value points. The equivalent of a mid 1st round pick.
A scenario like that rarely happen and when it does, there’s usually a reason (like the Laremy Tunsil thing last year). But then sometimes, your evaluation is just different (hopefully better) and the guy you have rated at #3 on your board is 7th or 8th or 10th on other team’s boards.
Seems to me that Licht targets certain players he wants each draft and has no problem moving up to get his guy if he perceives that the value of the player to the team will greatly surpass the supposed value assigned to whatever draft pick is surrendered to move up.
He moved up to get Marpet in the late 2nd. He moved up to get Kwon in the 4th. He moved up to get Aguayo in the late 2nd. According to Licht – the Bucs drafting braintrust had all 3 of those players rated as 1st round talents and the value of moving up became irresistible at the time he did it.
As the meatloaf song says – 2 out of 3 ain’t bad – and Jason may yet still be be vindicated at some point for making the Agauyo pick. Time will tell.
Would he pay a high price to move up in the 1st to get a certain player? We haven’t seen it yet – but a big part of that possibility will reside in how they have guys rated and how the draft plays out. If Dalvin Cook or Mike Williams is sitting there at #15 and the Bucs have that player rated as the 6th or 7th best player in the draft – then the 3rd rounder it would take to move up to #15 MIGHT be seen as an acceptable price to pay to get a premier talent at an area of need.
February 16th, 2017 at 4:41 pm
That’s y’all problem y’all look at these rinky dink awards and are misled into believing this dude dominant when he’s not. Why in the h3ll does Joe receive countless amounts of tweets during games. I’ll tell you why because people are focusing on his play. And the accolades that y’all run to don’t add up. We know this dude personally to dislike him. But we’re watching in disbelief that so many feel he’s great. Brian Cox was saying what he said for a reason. Former players say what they say for a reason.
February 16th, 2017 at 4:43 pm
Bonzai I hope like h3ll Licht gets that deal. Then I would pray we would use it on Solo Thomas young and hungry. Then these people would see a clear cut difference in what some of us mean.
February 16th, 2017 at 4:46 pm
I meant we don’t know him personally to dislike him personally.
February 16th, 2017 at 4:47 pm
I’m talking bout he is hands down the only thing that pisses off about my football team. 😠
February 16th, 2017 at 4:50 pm
How about week 1 where he batted down matt ryans pass om 4th down to coose out the game? Or in KC where he tipped a ball on the goal line which led to Contes pick?
We get it, you hate Gerald McCoys personality. But when you and DB55 try to make it seem like he’s some garbage player that doesnt do anything, you just make yourself look like a biased fool.
Gerald McCoy is one of like four-five 3 techniques that gets double/ triple teamed on damn near every play. Yes Gerald gets beat once in a while in a 1 on 1. No, he isnt the best DT in the league. But he is one of them. And he is a really good player.
You do not make your team better by getting rid of really good players.
February 16th, 2017 at 4:55 pm
Tmax you don’t hear too good. How is he mentally weak or soft? Resist the temptation to make personal attacks on our best D-lineman. You’re making a$$ of yourself. He did his job well enough to help us have a winning season. Contrary to your assertions, he is not soft or weak minded. His ability to make others better, make offenses scheme against him, ability to play hurt, ability to be in the top 3 in sacks in his position, and the confidence other professional football players and professional coaches have in his performance make the point. A non professional (you are not a pro football player, coach, or scout and have only dreamed of working 11-12 months a year to battle thru an NFL season) seemingly obsessed poster on this site doesn’t come close to making most people think he is soft or weak minded. Not a hall of famer…OK. A soft weak- minded waste…no way.
February 16th, 2017 at 5:01 pm
Reach did you see that 5th round draft pick Grady Jarret in the superbowl??? Did you see’em,huh.. Upload the link of gmc ever looking that in a single game I’ll be waiting.
February 16th, 2017 at 5:04 pm
H3ll upload a link of him forcing a fumble on a RB.. That should be easy.
February 16th, 2017 at 5:05 pm
Upload Calais Campbell and you’ll see all I speak of..
February 16th, 2017 at 5:18 pm
I agree the aguyao think is stupid. They make it look like we traded a number 2 and 3 this year to move up at the top of the second round. Give it a rest. Low risk high reward. There are tons of second round picks that dont make it
February 16th, 2017 at 5:19 pm
I did see that. He was a beast, even though they still lost. If we could get him (takes more than two to make that happen) it would be great. I am all about improving the team. I would trade almost anyone on our team if I was “a decider” and it made us better. I am simply against personal attacks that impugn someone’s character, especially when that person is on our team and hasn’t done anything to illustrate those traits. I hope we get someone who performs like that kid this year. Trade McCoy if it gets us a beast. But it wont be because McCoy is soft or weak. He’s not. Soft and weak doesn’t start in this league.
February 16th, 2017 at 5:22 pm
why do people get so butt hurt from comments and opinions…this is a business. better to get something for GMC while you can . we dont make decisions for the Buccs on who to draft , cut or trade. So what will be said IF he is indeed traded…Hell some of the best Buccs did not retire as Buccs (Sapp, Lynch) did we the fans want this…H3ll NAWL but it happened. I think we can do better with a cple of early round draft picks and the extra cap space. We could probably get Campbell and more to fill up the middle of the line with the extrat cap space alone then 2 more draft picks…talk about weapons. Ask Smitty would he do it. If he says no i would bet he is looking away or lears his throat before he answers.
February 16th, 2017 at 5:24 pm
@nosbos why the heck would you want to replace gmc with campbell when we could just pair them together and make our Dline that much better?
February 16th, 2017 at 5:26 pm
Someone expected to go top 10 will Tunsil. It may not be b/c of a gas mask bong, but it usually happens. At 19, we should be prepped to pounce.
February 16th, 2017 at 5:43 pm
I haven’t been impressed too with Williams in the games I’ve seen him. He gets high praise but I just haven’t seen him be a game-changer in the games I’ve watched. I’ll look at some more though.
Sammy Watkins was also considered an absolute stud and the clear cut No. 1 WR coming out of Clemson and is a far cry from ODB and Evans who were drafted after him. I’m not so sure Corey Davis won’t be better than him in the NFL.
February 16th, 2017 at 6:05 pm
Mike Williams broke his neck in the 2015 Season Opener, after a DB push him into a goal post after scoring a TD. He wore a neck brace for months. He have fully healed but teams are still skeptical of his health.
February 16th, 2017 at 6:07 pm
blake I’m making a comparison in the difference in they’re play bro. I want Calais because I’m confident in what he brings to the table. Heart and Passion is what I see in his game. Adding him in my opinion wouldn’t be to make gmc better I know what ima get wit him. I want another Ayers like personality on the D line. H3ll I’ll take Booger McFarland or Chidi Ahonotu.
February 16th, 2017 at 6:21 pm
“H3ll I’ll take Booger McFarland or Chidi Ahonotu.”
Aint that the truth
February 16th, 2017 at 6:24 pm
But you literally said to simply remove Gmc and place campbell in front of Kwon lol.
And Joe thanks for keeping another one of my comments in moderation for nearly 2 hours.
February 16th, 2017 at 6:45 pm
NOSBOS I used to agree with you on almost eeverything dude and I myself am a nole on Saturday and a buc on Sunday.. go play in traffic dude or be a patriot on Sunday tell me eat a D I’ll feed you one
February 16th, 2017 at 8:57 pm
Arealbucfan I speak mainly from my mind. Really don’t say anything one way or the other to be agreed with. If you agree with some cool if not I’m good. My response was a result of you saying those of us that are critical of his play need to stfu and find another team to root for. To that say I f outta here. Why we gotta do that based off our displeasure for one dude on the team. I like the NFL I love the Bucs . So ain’t going no where wouldn’t suspect you would be either. But hey my bad Duke no hard ones.
February 16th, 2017 at 9:02 pm
@Arealbucsfan
This is a fking fan blog, everybody is entitled to their opinion. Some of us that are smart are of the opinion that GMC doesn’t put $14 million dollars worth of production out on the field per year. Some of us are of the opinion that this team would be better off without his payroll burden and lackluster performance between the whistles. Some of us, myself for sure, doesn’t belive that this team will become a consistent winner until McCoy’s stench has left the building.
If you have a differing opinion then good for you, just don’t expect much love from some of us long time posters on this site with the bullsh!t post that you shat out above.
As for my opinion pertaining to this thread, no, they shouldn’t trade up for any of these offensive guys at the top of this draft. One of them will fall to them if that’s the route they want to take this year. I would personally prefer McCaffrey over Cook if it comes down to that. It terrifies me to bring somebody in from Winstons past that may possibly bring along with him baggage that could negatively impact our QB.
February 16th, 2017 at 9:18 pm
Winston doesn’t need another high first round wr pick but just don’t continue to ignore the position give him some decent options. Patriots seem to have figured out what is needed from the wr position and it isn’t first round studs
February 16th, 2017 at 10:10 pm
I believe that there will be quality player available at 19…and even the possibility of trading back.
February 16th, 2017 at 11:18 pm
If Williams or Davis fall outside the top 10-12 picks it would be worth it to move up and get either one. Or try to trade down further in the 1st and take Kupp. Would be happy with either deal. Just don’t like the idea of #19
February 16th, 2017 at 11:23 pm
@oxy
The Patriots passing game is unlike any other team in the league. It relies on precision timing and ultra high IQ WRs. Their routes are dictated solely on the defensive alignments and how the defenders react once the ball is snapped. We need stud WRs to make plays with #3 and his wild a$$ passing. Jameis is no Brady so that plan would never work here
February 17th, 2017 at 8:22 am
If this is a fan website than what are you doing here