Which Redskins WR To Pick?
January 19th, 2017
Pierre Garcon is an intriguing target.
The two Joes at JoeBucsFan.com world headquarters are slightly split.
One Joe thinks Redskins wide receiver Pierre Garçon would be a helluva pickup by the Bucs. The other Joe is smitten with fellow Redskins receiver DeSean Jackson’s ability to stretch the field.
Both could be unrestricted free agents in March. Both are 30. Both have mad skills, still. Both had over 1,000 yards receiving last year for Washington.
Could the Redskins really let both hit free agency? It seems shocking that might happen, but both are still unsigned.
Last night, Garcon took a very public stage at NFL Network studios in the greater Los Angeles area — wearing Redskins gear no less! — to beg for the Redskins to pay him as he wants to stay, so long as he is compensated. To date, he claims the Redskins have not spoken with his agent about a new contract.
Jackson has made it known, through his former Eagles teammates, he has every intention of returning to Philadelphia, again, so long as he is compensated.
The elephant in the room is the good ol’ franchise tag, loathed by players but loved by fans. The Redskins have three big-shot players on offense with contracts expiring: Quarterback Kirk Cousins, Garçon and Jackson. A team can only tag one player per season. So, say the Redskins come to an agreement with one, they could use the tag on a second, meaning a third of those potential free agents could be on the market when the free agency dinner bell rings March 9.
Unless the Redskins (8-7-1), one year removed from a playoff berth, completely gut their offense and start from scratch, it tells Joe only one of their stud receivers will reach free agency.
January 19th, 2017 at 7:09 am
It’s dreadful Bruce Allen running the show there. He will probably franchise tag the punter.
January 19th, 2017 at 7:12 am
Garçon
January 19th, 2017 at 7:16 am
Garçon will be the better pick. He reminds me of Boldin. He’s not a one trick pony like Jackson. Plus Jackson is hell bent on going back to Philly for some reason
January 19th, 2017 at 7:26 am
Pryor and Stills only young fast WRs worth anything, get weapons Winston can grow with, imagine Evans (4.52) Pryor (4.38) and Stills (4.28) on the field at the same time, Hump (4.56) is a nice story but he’s shouldn’t be our 2nd or 3rd best receiver, Winston could grow with these guys, resign Quiz draft a round 2-4 runningback and we got weapons for Winston
January 19th, 2017 at 7:28 am
Garcon jackson always gets hurt
January 19th, 2017 at 7:28 am
Wow our FA pool may be shrinking. If Desean Jackson wants so desperately to be in Philly do we even want him here?
And it sounds like Pierre wants to be in DC.
I think I read Pryor is actually happy in Cleveland…local roots and all of that. If Cleveland pays him and makes some halfway intelligent (a big if with the Browns)
he’d just as soon stay put.
Of course the flip side to this is they’re either happy with their team and not malcontents or like Jackson have another city or organization they love. I’m always nervous when an FA comes to us after having a major fallout with their last organization. Was it the player or the organization?
January 19th, 2017 at 7:30 am
Solidify the OL trade back a few spots, pick up a pick and draft the top center in the draft Pocic, take the top RB available round 2 (hopefully Mixon), use remaining picks for BPA on DL, S, OL
January 19th, 2017 at 7:32 am
Guzzie
Yes that gets me really excited!
Now imagine we put a 4.4 RB into the mix? I LOVE Dalvin Cook but it doesn’t have to be him. I like this idea of working in twos…if McCaffery doesn’t blow up at the combine…I’m afraid he’ll smoke a 40 and everyone will fall in love with him…and he dropped into the 2nd we might be able to get him.
Or we could take Foreman a solid 250 lb bruiser who is the best blocker of all the RB’s in the draft and then grab a 4.4 RB later.
I get the lust for continued building in the trenches and share it but we can find some more linemen. The only DL I would want to see in the 1st round would be someone with impeccable rushing credentials.
January 19th, 2017 at 7:43 am
I like Foreman also, but doubt he’d be there in the 2nd, and I don’t know if I’d take him in the first.
January 19th, 2017 at 7:48 am
No longer.
Not Garcon. Durability a key with asset with him.
January 19th, 2017 at 7:51 am
Bruce Allen got canned? I didn’t hear that.
January 19th, 2017 at 7:54 am
Yea a little saddened, when you think about the FA period this year. Not ALOT of hope out there, given most players wanna stay put. It will be interesting to see who will be our “first date” when that dinner bell rings
Poe
Pryor
Stills
FS
O-line
Draft
OJ Howard in the first
January 19th, 2017 at 7:58 am
Lol JOE
He just forgot the comma in-between Garçon and Jackson
January 19th, 2017 at 8:18 am
Due to past indiscretions, his love of Philly and age, I would steer clear of D. Jackson. In addition, we do not need a bird chirping in Winston’s ear on how great Philly is. If I am not mistaken, JW3 grew up a Philly fan and still has a passion for them.
January 19th, 2017 at 8:32 am
@WhatdaBUCisthis … “Yea a little saddened, when you think about the FA period this year. Not ALOT of hope out there, given most players wanna stay put.” Perk up, not as bad as all that. First off, we don’t need to necessarily get the top FAs available, just guys who are better than who we have at that position, who can help the Bucs & who can “fit in” with the rest of the team. Secondly, players want to be paid, especially experienced players with good track records of consistent performance.
Desean Jackson may say he wants to go back to Philly, but the Philly team he remembers (from 2013) is long gone. He’s still got 3-4 more good yrs I’d guess, and he (and his agent) aren’t stupid. Follow the money, plus Bucs are an up-and-coming team. And as far as durability goes, for a speedy WR he’s actually been very durable (has averaged 14 games per yr over 9 yrs … that’s excellent). I’d sign him in a heartbeat then draft a speedy WR prospect who Todd Monken can develop in a couple years.
January 19th, 2017 at 8:35 am
Guzzie : I like your style. Not sexy picks but smart.
I thought he was calling him Garçon Jackson too haha.
Let’s bring in Desean with his speed!
January 19th, 2017 at 8:42 am
Jackson is extremely close with Doug Pedersen at Philly and that is why he wants to go back to Philly
Stills and Garcon would be great additions.
None of the free agents will make a difference until the leader of the losing culture is gone 93…. Can’t win consistently with mentally weak leaders on defense.
January 19th, 2017 at 8:43 am
Jackson is hurt three to four games a year and is getting old.
Garcon is not going anywhere. Has rapport with cousins. Dotson was hurt all year. If Garcon leaves they only have crowder and doctson at wr.
Prior is not leaving the Browns. They can’t lose him as he is one of their best players and they have plenty of money to spend. Plus I heard he is not a good locker room guy.
January 19th, 2017 at 8:47 am
Stills is a good fit. Instant upgrade.
January 19th, 2017 at 8:55 am
I’ve been wanting Garcon most the offseason. He just plugs in easily as a dependable #2 who could start right away. He’s also faster than ME. Sign him and draft 1 WR in top 3 rounds as the eventual replacement and another weapon and were good at WR imo
January 19th, 2017 at 9:06 am
Defense Rules
I hear ya, but like I’ve said on other post we have to buy the ‘chip this year… If Licht is TRULY gonna rely on Ayers n Grimes, and Dotson… Shading players with very small windows to be impactful. Then you go all in. Or we will all have to come to grips with the very real fact that were still in build mode.. not beat mode
January 19th, 2017 at 9:10 am
Defense Rules
I hear ya, but like I’ve said on other post we have to buy the ‘chip this year… If Licht is TRULY gonna rely on Ayers n Grimes, and Dotson… Shading players with very small windows to be impactful. Then you go all in. Or we will all have to come to grips with the very real fact that were still in build mode.. not beast mode. To me we need to add two impact players on both sides of the ball through FA and DRAFT
Nothing wrong with signing 2nd tier players both we can’t stay on top like THAT. We NEED explosives on both sides. WR TE DE DT
January 19th, 2017 at 9:11 am
Neither
January 19th, 2017 at 9:19 am
WhatdaBUCisthis … Now I see where we diverge. From my perspective, Bucs ARE in build mode still; actually we probably will be through 2018. Too many ‘holes’ in our starting lineup/key rotational players to make it to the SB. Personally hoping that we make the playoffs next year, but even that will be stretching it.
I’ve said many times before that the 2016 Bucs ‘over-achieved’ this year … and that’s an awesome thing in my opinion. But those teams who make the ‘finals’ not only over-achieve, but they also have solid starting lineups AND depth to go along with that. We’ve got a ways to go to get into that elite category, but we’ve set a great foundation. This coaching staff REALLY impresses me, but it takes time to get all the pieces to fall into place when you start where we started from.
January 19th, 2017 at 9:27 am
Why does everyone want oj Howard? Hello, we have Cameron Brate
January 19th, 2017 at 9:41 am
Jared – because we need another TE and preferably one that can be on the field every down.
January 19th, 2017 at 9:44 am
I don’t think the Bucs land either and o would rather other WRs anyhow. For people worried about all these players saying they love their current team, don’t worry about t too much. Nobody tells their current employer, hey I hate being here but continue to pay me or give me a raise.
January 19th, 2017 at 9:50 am
JPP,
both garcon and jackson
vet lineman
draft 1.peppers 2. best avail
restructure doug.
not that hard
January 19th, 2017 at 10:09 am
Defense Rules… We totally agree on all aspects. Just merely stating that so much will be expected of our young team. The pressure to produce by us fans is immense, rightly so. All I’m saying is I’ve got patience, been a BUCS fan since ’79. Very few fans do
I’m also on record for saying a few angry things about our players, coaches this year lol
I know we’re in build mode, you know it
But who else knows. I don’t watch college at all so I really can’t beat a drum for any player
But outside of QB MLB draft BPA for all I care. People want the old Glory days
I don’t
I want a new version of the BUCS
January 19th, 2017 at 10:12 am
Garcon is the safer pick. However, Desean Jackson fits what this team needs. So maybe they sign Garcon and draft John Ross who is the same mold as Jackson. Kind of get best of both worlds
January 19th, 2017 at 10:14 am
I dont think signing both Pryor and Stills is a good idea. Winston already has the WR to grow with in Mike Evans. We saw the impact Grimes, Ayers, and D. Smith had on the defense. I would like to see some vets on offense too.
January 19th, 2017 at 10:47 am
Stills and Pryor…yes please. You can then concentrate on RB in the draft. FA is super important because the draft is a total unknown. You don’t know who will be available and you don’t know what kind of pro you will get.
January 19th, 2017 at 10:48 am
@joeypopems- we had a vet on offense, Vincent jackson. It didn’t work all that well for our receiving core, so I say we get the most talented guys we can. Evans and winston are more than capable of stepping into that veteran leadership role.
January 19th, 2017 at 10:52 am
Just let the market settle on those 2… they’re not gonna get the money they think.
January 19th, 2017 at 11:09 am
@WhatdaBUC
People want the old Glory days I don’t I want a new version of the BUCS
I with you!!!
We have a different team, and as much as I loved the great team and it’s players I’m ready for some freaking offense. Can you say #3?
And I’m tired of the need to pigeon hole #3…is he Big Ben?…Bret Favre?…whomever…NO…#3 is an original! When he’s finished his career people will look at some hot young QB with certain skill sets and say…hey that kid could be the next Jameis Winston.
January 19th, 2017 at 11:27 am
@Mojiska
The only reason it didnt work with Vincent Jackson is the injuries. That doesnt mean its gonna happen if we get another vet to replace him like a Garcon or Desean Jackson or Kenny Britt. All are talented still. When on the flip side Pryor just finished litterally his first season as a WR and has maturity issues. Is he talented? I will give him that. However if the goal next season is to make a playoff run I would rather have a vet than someone still learning the position.
January 19th, 2017 at 11:37 am
Sign Garcon to be our #2 and sign Stills to hopefully be our slot WR. Draft a couple after the 1st round and #3 will have his weapons
January 19th, 2017 at 11:43 am
WhatdaBUCisthis … We apparently agree much more than I thought (I’ve been a Bucs fan since I first moved here in 1982 … not quite 1979 but close). I’m convinced that this coaching staff is capable of building a playoff-caliber team that’s solid on offense AND defense. We’ve got a good foundation of youth AND experienced players right now, but we still have some holes (both starting positions and key rotational players like DLine). Can’t fix ’em all in 1 year; maybe not even in 2 yrs.
So much depends on things that are out of our coaches’ control though. Things like our schedule. And like how many injuries we get during the course of our year, and when they occur. Like how much other teams improve year to year, and how many injuries they have when we play them. And yes, sometimes officiating seems to impact the outcome, although that’s using very rare. Some call all that ‘Lady Luck’ but I tend to believe that teams for the most part make their own luck (just not ALL the time). Regardless, Bucs future looks so bright all of us fans should be wearing sunglasses.
January 19th, 2017 at 11:53 am
Defense Rules
I have a a lot of favorite posters here but you are certainly right up there with any of them.
January 19th, 2017 at 11:56 am
Neither of them… Bucs will end up having to over pay for 30+ year old WR’s. No thanks! I would invest 2 draft picks in two young WR’s that can grow in the system and be inexpensive for 4 or 5 years. I would draft one relatively high (rds 1 or 2) and I would draft Rodney Adams (USF-WR) in the 5th rd. Dude has good size and blazing speed. He could definitely stretch the field and you’d get him for virtually nothing.
January 19th, 2017 at 12:07 pm
Jason Pierre Paul.
He should be Jason Licht’s main goal in free agency, unless the man is franchised or resigned to the Giants. If he get’s him, Jason Licht will have instantly fixed the defensive line.
Sure, there are others out there, but JPP would be the most important.
Everyone keeps forgetting about the defense in the draft. Would we have won 9 games without the defense improving? NOPE.
Obviously, we need defense to recover when the ball is turned over.
Back before he was drafted, I said that Winston would throw a lot of picks. He is. That’s what gunslingers do.
January 19th, 2017 at 12:10 pm
Anyone see ESPN first take with Adrian Peterson saying he wants to play for Tampa ?
January 19th, 2017 at 12:42 pm
Stpetebucsfan Says:
January 19th, 2017 at 11:53 am
Defense Rules
I have a a lot of favorite posters here but you are certainly right up there with any of them.
You too, for me Stpetebucsfan
It was you and I that yelled 12-4 this last preseason lol
I’m glad to be acknowledged by reasoned seasoned JBF posters
January 19th, 2017 at 12:55 pm
You’re waaaay more seasoned than me WhattheBUC. You have better Buc bonafides than me.
I’ve only followed the Bucs since the mid 90’s when I moved here. Before then it was the Bengals. I guess I was born to root for teams that can sometimes frustrate us.
January 19th, 2017 at 12:56 pm
Getaclue
If he does, nice I’m all a bridge player of his stature. The real question is for how much though. If he’s trying to break the bank then NO but if he wants to play here then it won’t cost us much. Interesting
Peterson
Evans
Pryor
Stills
Can we All say #weaponsforWINSTON
January 19th, 2017 at 12:59 pm
I saw him getaclue.
January 19th, 2017 at 1:09 pm
Stpetebucsfan
Yea I’ve never known a love for another team. Sweet damn we had Steve Young for crying out loud. Anyway yea I think #3 was, is and will be the THE MOST important pick Licht could make. He has changed the culture.
I’m tempted to call him Ricky Bobby
If ya ain’t first, your last
That’s the mindset he’s infusing in the organization.
I’ll keep saying it… FA for skill players and depth
Draft lineman on both sides
Lol but what do I know
BUCS fan… The time is now, to help breath life back into our shooken fab base. We must stand strong on game days wherever your at!!!!
January 19th, 2017 at 1:11 pm
NosBos what did he say? Damn, I missed it
Didn’t know players could be so open like THAT
January 19th, 2017 at 1:14 pm
@guzzie
@ St pete
Do u guys realize that the Center for lsu is a 3rd or 4th rounder? Why the he11 would we take him in the 1st?
January 19th, 2017 at 1:20 pm
Getaclue Says:
January 19th, 2017 at 12:10 pm
Anyone see ESPN first take with Adrian Peterson saying he wants to play for Tampa ?
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See – now this is what’s fun about this time of year even when your team is out of the running for the grand prize.
Games are still being played so there’s no feeling of football withdrawal to deal with yet.
And we get to fantasize about the full range of potential Free Agents and draftees how good they would all look in their Buccaneer Burger King uniforms tearing it up on the field and performing their way to Pro Bowls…..
Eric Berry, JPP, Chandler Jones, DJax, LeVeon Bell, Terrelle Pryor, Alshon Jeffery, Dontari Poe….. as of right now they are all “available” in our minds and imaginations to be Buccaneers.
Never mind that only 1 or 2 of the top 10 FAs will actually be available to negotiate with when the dinner bell rings in March. Never mind that none or MAYBE 1 of the top 10 draft prospects on the Buccaneer’s big board slips to #19 on draft day. Never mind that in 2 1/2 weeks there will be no more actual NFL games to watch for the following 7 months.
Right now the possibilities and imaginings of how to improve the talent level of the Buccaneers roster seem limitless with all the talent we could imagine from free agency and the upcoming draft still “available” and not yet spoken for.
NOSBOS dreams of a digital clock inspired #4 Buccaneer – lightning bolting off tackle between the huge hole Sweezy and Smith created – breaking into the clear, juking 3 more backfield defenders on his way to a 58 yard TD scamper.
tmax smiles as he envisions the call to Licht coming from the Bengals GM in early March saying they are at an impass with Geno Atkins and offering to trade Atkins + their 2nd round pick straight up for McCoy…
Right now so many things seem possible…
Yes – its a great time of year.
January 19th, 2017 at 1:20 pm
StPetebucsfan and WhatdaBucisthis … Sounds like all three of us have been long-time Bucs fans, and as such have seen some Highs and lots of Lows. Since our 2002 Super Bowl victory (14 yrs ago) we’ve only had 5 winning seasons … 3 of those with Chucky, 1 with Raheem and now 1 with Dirk. Interesting that Bucs have always been known for defense, yet 4 of those 5 winning seasons came under offensive HCs who also functioned as the OC. What’s also interesting to me is that in each of those 5 winning seasons the Bucs had solid defenses to go with better-than-average offensive production (Raheem served as his own DC in his winning season). By the way, both of you post many great comments that get me thinking (not always a good thing in my case).
January 19th, 2017 at 1:41 pm
Defense Rules
We all get turret syndrome on other Sundays and AND Mondays, good or bad results.
If there was a team I wanted to emulate, it would be the… Pittsburgh Steelers run that year with Bettis toting the rock and Harrison being, well Harrison
THAT was a complete team that wanted it more then any other team
January 19th, 2017 at 2:33 pm
Other than JPP being a USF product and an above-average DE, what’s the allure? He’s not the same player since the fireworks.
I like Garcon, he’s more rounded but I’m not in love with him. Jackson? Eh! We’re looking at guys in their 30’s. We need to mix it up with players that are going to be here for the long haul. IMO.
Here’s a shout out to my fellow “old-timers”!!! I watched my first game at the Sombrero in 1980 vs. the Pittsburgh Steelers. I was 11!!
January 19th, 2017 at 2:59 pm
Bucsfanman, lol I probably sold you peanuts and a hot dog, being that I was in the boy scouts and to work for a bit for our camping trips
Those were some awesome Sundays for a young fanbase that simply loved the team good or bad, mostly bad
January 19th, 2017 at 3:23 pm
Tip of the hat, WhatdaBuc!
We had a short run in the ’80s being a good team but then……….UGH! One of the “highlights” of the pre-Dungy era was that you didn’t have to wait in line for the restrooms!!! LOL! Dude, Bears and Packers games were “home” games……FOR THEM! Remember that BS?!
January 19th, 2017 at 3:29 pm
Not even close, Pierre Garçon is a true #2, Jackson meanwhile could be, or he could spend 14 games a year with a pulled hammy. Jackson’s health is a big issue, Pierre Garçon meanwhile has – to best of my memory – been pretty healthy and the guy has just been rock solid. He’d be a great #2 and then with your #3 WR you get that speed guy who can stretch the field. Jackson just is an awful person, which I wouldn’t care about if he could produce, but he can’t because he’s always injured. The difference is like buying a Ferrari or a Toyota, the Ferrari might get somewhere faster, or it might catch on fire and send you hurling into a wall at 120mph. The Toyota, while boring and driven by boring people, is dependable. For a WR #2, personally I want dependable. For #3, then you can do risk taking since your top 2 is set.
January 19th, 2017 at 3:50 pm
Why would they franchise tag either DeSean or Pierre? Neither one of them deserve the avg top 10 WR salary even for a year.. I wouldn’t even put a transition tag on them either tbh..
They already came out and said openly if they can’t get Cousins signed he will be tagged.
January 19th, 2017 at 4:53 pm
Dread naught thy fellow fans.
There are glorious battles coming
We’ll b ready for it
Where are my die-hard BUCS fan…
where are the dreadnoughts
I will consider myself the founding member.
Real talk people!
#DREADNAUGHTS
January 20th, 2017 at 1:05 am
I said this in another quote in a different article. #1 ME13, #2 Pryor/Jeffrey, Stills #3, #4 Hump, along with Brate would be very nice. I say O.J. Howard all day in the first. Talk about some serious weapons for Jameis.
January 20th, 2017 at 6:27 pm
If he is allowed to hit free agency, the only big-name that TB should target, IMO, is Eric Berry. Between the two WRs mentioned, I wouldn’t mind Garcon AT THE RIGHT PRICE. However,If we try to add a WR in FA, I think it should be Kenny Stills. Outside of all that, Jason Licht should just do what he does. It went well last year, and I have faith in him.