Quizzardry
January 16th, 2017
Teammate weighs in
One key question facing Jason Licht and Dirk Koetter this offseason is, “How good is Jacquizz Rodgers?”
It’s too easy to call the 26-year-old running back a one-year wonder.
Rodgers might be. Joe certainly is not ruling that out. But Rodgers’ body of work last season certainly says otherwise.
The man is a pure freak at just under 5-foot-6 and running between the tackles consistently in the NFL. Plus, he’s a nasty blocker and can catch the football. Rodgers got 129 carries and shouldered a big load in five starts, averaging 4.3 yards per carry.
Rodgers had never gotten that many carries in a season, and he certainly never served as a feature back.
Who would forget him carrying 10 consecutive times to start the Bucs-Panthers game in October, a NFL feat that hadn’t been performed in 15 years.
Recently, Cameron Brate served up a scouting report on Rodgers via the Buccaneers Radio Network.
“He’s got really good vision, really good balance,” Brate said of Rodgers. “You know, he’s able to find the holes, cut back across a couple of lanes to find some space. And he’s small enough where he can kind of nestle through any hole. But he’s like a little bowling ball, he just bounces off people, always seems to fall forward.”
Brate also added how Rodgers created something from nothing at times against the Panthers.
Big decisions for the Bucs at running back. And no, Joe doesn’t think Doug Martin is in the picture.
It seems like they have to draft a RB with feature-back potential, and certainly Dirk Koetter is a vocal fan of Peyton Barber, Charles Sims and Rodgers.
January 16th, 2017 at 9:17 am
Draft D’onta Foreman. Then we could call them Big Dread, and Little Dread.
January 16th, 2017 at 9:21 am
draft rb in rd 2 or 3. keep the rest besides martin. id be more than comfortable going into next year. good lord im excited for next yr
January 16th, 2017 at 9:23 am
They said the same thing about Doug Martin
January 16th, 2017 at 9:27 am
Re-sign Quizz to 2 or 3 yr deal, and draft a RB in the 2nd or 3rd round, so no pressure to place either in starting line up. Let Quizz and the Rook fight for snaps in Training Camp and Preseason.
1st round should be on BPA at WR/OL/DL/CB/S.
It’s kinda of nice that for the first time in a long time it feels as though we don’t need to draft a guy that has to come in and be “the guy” at his position. Granted we need help just about every where, but who ever we draft in any round doesn’t need to come in and be both a good player AND a locker room leader. They can just focus on being the best player they can be.
January 16th, 2017 at 9:28 am
That was before druggie got paid tho. Then all he cared about was molly.
January 16th, 2017 at 9:30 am
Wondering why he was picked off the streets if everyone says he is that good. I know the NFL is more of a passing fancy right now but the guy can block”nasty” and has GREAT vision.
January 16th, 2017 at 9:31 am
I like what I’ve seen of D’onta Freeman also. He looks like a big back that has good vision and has decent speed.
January 16th, 2017 at 9:32 am
*Foreman * not Freeman
January 16th, 2017 at 9:35 am
@waterboy Agreed bro. Also for a Rb Pushing 255 he’s got surprisingly Quick feet. He also has big, beefy, powerful legs that can drag bodies into the endzone.
January 16th, 2017 at 9:39 am
I’ve never said that about Doug Martin personally. I’ve always said that he doesn’t make people miss. Last year, he was incredible but there only a few times where he actually made people miss. A good example of that is watching Zeke last night. He had lots of power but his ability to make a guy miss is outstanding.
January 16th, 2017 at 9:39 am
love the big backs..easiest way to win a game?…RUN the football !!!
January 16th, 2017 at 9:40 am
Ideally, my most desired round 1 & 2 picks right now, are O.J. Howard and D’onta. 2 big boys that have the potential to not just be solid starters right away, but game-changing ballers in the near future.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_9VhPVTor0
Power Running baby
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p789rhDRfU4
Next Gronk?
January 16th, 2017 at 9:58 am
McCaffrey please. Solves our running back and return game problems
January 16th, 2017 at 10:03 am
Joe Mixon 3rd round, John Ross 1st, Pryor free agency
January 16th, 2017 at 10:09 am
Hmm I recall sending Blake a video the other night breaking down a catering RB from FSU elite vision and balance. Remember the vid Blake???
January 16th, 2017 at 10:12 am
So let me get this, y’all want Pryor should we acquire him we should them still draft a WR with our first pick??? Peculiar.
January 16th, 2017 at 10:15 am
@NosBos Lol dude I’ve made it clear that if we hit Wide Receiver hard in FA that I want us to draft O.J. Howard. And If O.J. ain’t there, Then I want either the Best D-tackle available or the Best Safety.
If none of them are there, and Dalvin still is, then yeah for sure, Draft the kid.
January 16th, 2017 at 10:32 am
We finally in agreement Blake. Don’t re-nig on that post, I’ll cut and paste it.
January 16th, 2017 at 10:34 am
We need WR everything else can be patched up with duck tape
January 16th, 2017 at 10:34 am
If his head on str8 Pryor and ME would be sick. Would totally open up the middle of field for guys like Hump and Brate.
January 16th, 2017 at 10:35 am
Alright cool so You agree that we should draft O.J. Howard. Sick.
January 16th, 2017 at 10:36 am
7423 three of the final four playoff teams have great running games. Can’t understand why jbf seems to be lacks when it comes to that aspect of our team.
January 16th, 2017 at 10:38 am
I’m not saying over Dalvin becauseI personally I don’t feel we have a feature back right now. But yea O.J. and Brate would be crucial.
January 16th, 2017 at 10:58 am
I would totally take O.J. over Dalvin, because there are other feature backs to be had. There is a legitimate argument to be made that If not for his egregious transgression as a minor, Joe Mixon could be the best Rb in the draft.
I despise dudes who put their hands on females in a violent manner, but as far as we know it was a one time incident. He didn’t make a peep during is time at OU. And his film, is honestly spectacular. Getting a prospect like that in the 3rd or 4th round would be a freaking coup type of a pick by Jason Licht. But I don’t think it will happen.
D’onta Foreman on the other hand, is a Big, Powerful, Bowling-Ball of type of running back. With really Quick feet, Solid vision, and surprising Break-away speed for a 250 pound back. In the mold of a Legarette Blount. Could carry the load for us as a Rookie, with Quizz and Chuck as 3rd down/Change of pace backs. And we have a real shot at getting him in Round 2.
There’s a slew of other Rb prospects in this draft that could come in and contribute right away. Seriously dude, you have to come to grips with the fact that we mostly likely won’t have a shot at getting Cook, and check out all the talented young runners in this years class.
January 16th, 2017 at 11:06 am
Quizz needs to be a part of this teams future. Even if he isnt a bell cow back splitting carries between a rookie running back could be a great combo and hopefully let the rook get past the rookie wall as well.
January 16th, 2017 at 11:09 am
Winston does love his tight ends….Cam and O.J. Sounds amazing
January 16th, 2017 at 11:11 am
I wonder if Bucs fan would’ve wanted to get rid Lev Bell, because he had a suspension and he dances before he hits the hole. Just wondering.
January 16th, 2017 at 11:20 am
@Rsrq
That’s laughable stuff there dude. Le’veon Bell was smoking pot, in the off season, and he is a patient runner that actually hits the hole.
I don’t think as negatively about Chuck sims as some do on this site, But he is not an in between the tackles feature back. He’s a good receiver out of the back field, and a pretty good runner in space. He’s a 3rd down back through and through.
When was the last time Sims had 236 rushing yards in a game?
January 16th, 2017 at 11:23 am
I wouldn’t Brate has proven he can play on this level. That tells me TE would be a luxury not a need in the first round.
January 16th, 2017 at 11:29 am
@NosBos Normally I would agree, and I think Brate is a phenomenal player, But O.J. Howard has the potential to be a generational type talent at tight end.
And I’ve seen Dirk and Jameis do freaking DAMAGE out of a 2 tight end set. And when you have two, no wait, 3! 6’5+ Big Body, Vertical threats at that position, in the Redzone… And all 3 of them can Block! Then you score touchdowns in the Redzone. Plain and simple.
Cmon bro! You remember the work Jameis put in at Fsu with Nick O’leary. Imagine what he could do with Jimmy Ghram or Gronkowski? O.J. Howard has that kind of talent dude I’m telling you.
January 16th, 2017 at 11:33 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0acPmZuv7Y
Just watch the young bull block.
January 16th, 2017 at 11:43 am
Not saying he won’t be great. But until I see a feature back in the backfield TE I pass bro.
January 16th, 2017 at 11:45 am
Bros We Need A Feature Back.. 5’6 a buck whatever is not a feature back.
January 16th, 2017 at 11:46 am
Quizz was not on another team for a reason. He was cut from his last team for a reason. But it seems like no one can figure that one out, and we’re lucky he’s on our roster. Bring him back with a pay raise along with whatever FNG there is out there. He’s earned it, even if he does turn out to be a one-year wonder.
January 16th, 2017 at 11:47 am
Just look at the kid stonewalling pass rushers like a left tackle. And how he turns around, and takes catches to the endzone like a Receiver.
January 16th, 2017 at 11:50 am
Blake I think you may be watching what an all time great Aron Rodgers is doing with a sub par running game and are thinking the RB position isn’t that important. History tells me different bro.
January 16th, 2017 at 11:52 am
There are probably 5-6 perceived Feature backs in this years draft.
Leo fournette, who will most likely go in the first 8 picks.
Dalvin Cook, Who probably goes 9-15.
Joe Mixon, Could go as high as the first and as low as the 7th.
Christian Mcaffery, late 1st to early 2nd rounder. Wouldn’t shock me if the pats take him.
D’onta Foreman, most likely 2nd to 3rd round.
Samje Perine, 3rd rounder.
And probably more that I don’t know about. On paper this is one of the deepest Rb drafts in years dude.
January 16th, 2017 at 11:52 am
Oh yeah, I like O. J. If he is there in the first
January 16th, 2017 at 11:54 am
To be honest Blake I rather you continue arguing Fournette or Foreman in the first over Dalvin. TE or WR in the first???
January 16th, 2017 at 11:54 am
@NosBos I’m also watching the Patriots get 18+ Touchdowns with a running back that went undrafted, and has been cut from multiple teams.
And watching Devonta Freeman put in work as a 4th round pick.
Also one of the best Running backs to play in a while, in Le’veon Bell, who was a high second round pick.
And incase you didn’t notice. Ty Montgomery was making plays all night long against the cowboys. Both on the ground, and catching out of the back field. You can get producers at the Rb position from all over bro.
January 16th, 2017 at 11:55 am
Dude, Everytime I’ve mention Foreman, its been us taking him in the 2nd round. Are you not reading the words i’m writing?
January 16th, 2017 at 11:55 am
Show me a team in history that went into the drsft not having afesture RB and drafted a TE instead Rsq..
January 16th, 2017 at 11:56 am
The Patriots when they drafted Rob Gronkowski?
January 16th, 2017 at 11:57 am
Blake,
Not comparing Bell to either Sims/Martin, just wondering would Bucs fan would’ve been ready to throw in the towel on him because we judge really hard on mistakes by athletes.
January 16th, 2017 at 11:58 am
Dude ive seen what you’ve posted,I find difficulty in seeing how the TE would be more important to you espeacially considering there is no gaurantee your RB target will be available to you in the second.
January 16th, 2017 at 11:59 am
And tell me who the RB was on that roster. And don’t leave out the future HOFr QB already under center.
January 16th, 2017 at 12:00 pm
Just look at the way the best Coach/Gm of this modern era of NFL Football values the Running Back position?
When was the last time the Patriots drafted a running back in the first round dude? I’ll save you the time, it was over 10 years ago. On a guy who busted.
January 16th, 2017 at 12:02 pm
What OJ gives you a TE and you don’t have to bring in an extra lineman, because he can block for the RB, he can stretch the middle of the field along with Brate, Great TE’s harder to find the RB’s
January 16th, 2017 at 12:02 pm
Ok i was wrong, Gronk was a 2nd rounder the year they drafted Devin Mccourty their all pro Free safety.
And there running back was Kevin Faulk.
January 16th, 2017 at 12:03 pm
http://www.nfl.com/player/kevinfaulk/2500600/careerstats
Doesn’t scream Feature back to me.
January 16th, 2017 at 12:05 pm
Again dude they just so happen to have this multiple superbowl winning QB, what’s his name??? I think they can afford to do that. We can’t our guy as you know will be going into his third season. I give a d@$! how great they’re o line is Dak wouldve struggled like most rookie QBs without a great running game this season.
January 16th, 2017 at 12:07 pm
It doesn’t matter. We have one of the best Young signal callers in the league. We need to give 2 things, Weapons, and Protection.
O.J. Howard gives you both of those, in addition to being a fantastic lead blocker in the running game.
January 16th, 2017 at 12:07 pm
Rsq fans say”you can just find a RB in the later rounds” I tend to believe organizations are more player specific when it comes to player fits come draft night.
January 16th, 2017 at 12:08 pm
I can’t recall how many different HOF QBs that have stated the importance of a strong running game.
January 16th, 2017 at 12:09 pm
I don’t know why you continue to ignore this fact, But i’ll say it once more.
This Years Draft is STACKED With Running Backs!
January 16th, 2017 at 12:10 pm
Now we talking bout TEs.. Please.
January 16th, 2017 at 12:10 pm
Re-read my 12:07 post guy.
January 16th, 2017 at 12:12 pm
In watching Undisputed they mentioned the TE position referring to this draft. Funny thing is neither Shannon or CC said anything about O.J Howard.
January 16th, 2017 at 12:13 pm
The position came up because they both feel dallas needs to move in from whitten.
January 16th, 2017 at 12:14 pm
They said a few names neither said Howard.
January 16th, 2017 at 12:17 pm
I love these debates on who we should draft!!
January 16th, 2017 at 12:19 pm
Player specific don’t mean Jack when the roster has holes to fill at damn near every position.
The positions that directly impact the play of the Quarterback, are the most important ones to fill. Left tackles, Wide Recievers/Modern Pass Catching Tight ends, Pass Rushers, And Defensive backs are by and large the most valued positions after QB.
Hence, the modern day Devaluing of the Running back. A position, that also has a notoriously short life span, due to the extreme nature of violence that occurs on nearly every snap they take.
Thats why, a lot of Gm’s and scouts refuse to take Running backs in the first round, unless they believe they are truly just one dynamic Rb away from being champions. And the Bucs are not in that position. Not by a long shot.
That’s why, In a Draft with TONS of late round Rb talent, Taking one in the first round borders on foolish.
January 16th, 2017 at 12:21 pm
This man is really going to judge a player by whether or not they got brought up on the cowboys show, I mean, Skip and Shannon.
January 16th, 2017 at 12:22 pm
Skip Bayless is a fool, and Shannon sharpe may as well be reading from a prompter.
January 16th, 2017 at 12:24 pm
And you like me post our opinions on jbf so what the h3ll are you really saying???
January 16th, 2017 at 12:25 pm
I’ll tell you “Nothing”.
January 16th, 2017 at 12:27 pm
All I’m saying is, DM 22, if JL restructures his contract and feel he is healthy, mind soul and body, no need for a first round back. The only team playing this weekend with a top back was the Cowboys and Steelers, Pats use RB by committee, GB has a converted RB, ATL has running back by committee, Chiefs Texans had decent run games but they didn’t get their with their run game, neither did the Raiders or Giants. Bucs have a decent RB committee
January 16th, 2017 at 12:28 pm
I said it clearly, Skip bayless is a fool. And O.J. probably didnt get brought up because he was used so much as Blocker, that he doesn’t have big time numbers.
He does have big time talent and Big time traits. That stand out clear as day when you watch his game tapes. Dude is a crushing blocker, And runs like a Gazelle with the ball in his hands, Plus he can go up and snatch passes out of the air in Jump-ball situations.
Im telling you, the Kid is gonna be Special.
January 16th, 2017 at 12:31 pm
Think someone told you the other day this ain’t Madden homie. Pro sports. People livelihood on the line.
January 16th, 2017 at 12:31 pm
What does what i said have any thing to do with madden?
January 16th, 2017 at 12:32 pm
No to RB in the first but yayy to TE. Hell Blake just posted Gronk went in the second.
January 16th, 2017 at 12:34 pm
Your attitude leads me to believe you feel anyone can just fill a role. Like we won’t have time to extensively look at every RB entering this draft.
January 16th, 2017 at 12:35 pm
This notion we can just find one later. Well why can’t the same be said for TE or any other position for that matter???
January 16th, 2017 at 12:36 pm
Gronk dropped to the 2nd because of a back injury he had in the season before.
And yeah, Every single playoff team remaining is a team with a running back that either wasn’t drafted at all, or Was drafted outside of the first?
And the one with a 1st round rusher, running behing the best O-line, Just got eliminated. What’s your point?
January 16th, 2017 at 12:37 pm
Now if you respond because O.J is a sure thing. You already know what. I’ll say about Dalvin.
January 16th, 2017 at 12:38 pm
I think I’m starting to realize the in your mind, the only acceptable outcome, where you won’t be disappointed in the outcome, is if we draft Dalvin no matter the cost in the first.
Because for some reason you think we can’t find a runnning back outside the first round, despite the fact that there is a mountain of evidence that says you can,.
January 16th, 2017 at 12:39 pm
So let me get this str8 you telling me there aren’t any playoff teams in history that have taken an RB in the first??? Is that what you’re saying???
January 16th, 2017 at 12:40 pm
I said very clearly this years remaining playoff teams?
Why must you insist on twisting my words to create straw-man arguments?
January 16th, 2017 at 12:41 pm
And no you’re wrong. Until our RB position is filled with a feature guy it will be my biggest concern going into draft night. Dalvin just so happens to make the most since to me.
January 16th, 2017 at 12:43 pm
So in other words, “you think we can’t find a running back outside the first round, despite the fact that there is a mountain of evidence that says you can.”
January 16th, 2017 at 12:43 pm
Doesn’t matter where any of them were drafted they are of importance to the success of those teams.
January 16th, 2017 at 12:44 pm
Bingo.
January 16th, 2017 at 12:44 pm
Never said that. I’m of the belief that take what appears to be the surest thing in the first round. My guy numbers speak for themselves.
January 16th, 2017 at 12:45 pm
NosBos,
If we selected Cook in the first, if he is there and not trading up for him, I wouldn’t be disappointed too much, but if we don’t get him, let’s think how we can help out Jameis and ME, as well as pass protection and running game. Everybody knows when Stocker or Myers in the game, no threat so they just stack the box anyway
January 16th, 2017 at 12:46 pm
You made more since to me when you were shouting Fournette and Foreman. TE???
January 16th, 2017 at 12:47 pm
As Jedi master yoda would say… “Everything, Numbers are not.”
“Stats are for losers.” Current Assistant head coach of the Atlanta Falcons, Raheem Morris.
January 16th, 2017 at 12:47 pm
I hear you are saying Rsq but just like Dalvin is not the only RB O.J. is not the only TE entering this draft either. And I’ve been “shouting” for Foreman in the second round ya dingus.
January 16th, 2017 at 12:48 pm
So let say Corey Davis gose early O.J. gose early then we’re up. Now what???
January 16th, 2017 at 12:49 pm
Doofus I asked if earlier what if he’s gone at 19.👆. Actually I said what if he’s gone in second. Its up there. Then what?,
January 16th, 2017 at 12:52 pm
Let me guess Mixon. He might not get drafted at all.
January 16th, 2017 at 12:52 pm
Soloman Thomas If he’s there, Budda Baker is a beast. Derrick Barnett is a really good prospect. I like Demarcus walker a lot. If they are all gone, and Dalvin cook is still there, then I’d be cool with that.
And then I’d wake up because there’s no way all those guys are gone and Dalvin is still there.
Sameje Perine In the 3rd.
January 16th, 2017 at 12:54 pm
Just like y’all can say Dalvin will be long gone. Same can be said about any of your favorites. Cause I know none of you are wishing for 3rd talent to be drafted first overall.
January 16th, 2017 at 12:55 pm
Could be the next MJD.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-hxd55alKE&t=100s
January 16th, 2017 at 12:55 pm
@Blake,
We are on same page, take Solomon Thomas or Barnett as well, that just gets Jameis back on the field quicker
January 16th, 2017 at 12:55 pm
Who said anything about 3rd round talent in the 3rd?
January 16th, 2017 at 12:56 pm
I mean the 1st.
January 16th, 2017 at 12:56 pm
Some good players you listed. But we are offensively deprived I can’t see a defensive player coming off the board first.
January 16th, 2017 at 12:56 pm
@NosBos I can if we address offense sufficiently in FA.
January 16th, 2017 at 12:58 pm
My point is we all want someone that will grade out as a first talent with the first pick. Just like 31 other fan bases. What if all your favs go early since everyone insinuates my will guy will be long gone. Same can be said about y’all guys.
January 16th, 2017 at 12:58 pm
Looking at Falcons offense, Brees not slowing down and expect a Cam resurgence, I would be good getting guys that get backfield penetration, because if either of those guys fall to ATL, you better believe they will snag one of them
January 16th, 2017 at 12:58 pm
I guess the debate should cease until after that time then.
January 16th, 2017 at 1:01 pm
I’m just going by where I’ve seen guys get projected to go. I haven’t seen one draft that has Dalvin Falling past 16. In almost every mock I’ve seen, O.J. is available. Now mock drafts aren’t exact by any means, but they generally give u a sense of the area a player will go. And Dalvin is always long gone by 19.
January 16th, 2017 at 1:02 pm
Seriously check out the Samaje Perine link and tell me he ain’t good.
January 16th, 2017 at 1:14 pm
Ima say this and in done for Today. I might be in the minority here on jbf which is cool I’ve always stood alone anyways. But I attended a sports bar get together over the weekend. The topic came up inside the building referring to the draft. Trust me when I tell in not alone in hoping for Dalvin Cook. I’m not alone not by a looooonnnng shot😮.
January 16th, 2017 at 1:15 pm
The sports bar was in Lakeland by the way…
January 16th, 2017 at 1:17 pm
As an FSU guy, I love D Cook, no way is he there at 19 especially after he runs 4.4 something. We need to take the BPA. OJ Howard is a great pick if he is still there. The O-Line is interesting, the Tackle from Wisconsin intriguing, he is a beast and could move D Smith to Right Tackle or Guard. These Wisconsin O-lineman stay in the league for 10+ years and are pretty damn dominant. We may be able to get him in a trade down scenario as well. FA will tell us all we need know. I think Mixon should have stayed one more year to prove himself mentally/emotionally. If he is there in the 4th, I would take him, I think there are too many needs to spend a 3 on an unknown commodity, but the guy is talented no doubt. I like B Baker and Adams at S, but we should go get E Berry, IMO. Oh…please pay Gholston, he has bled for this team and proven he is football warrior, Pay the Man!
January 16th, 2017 at 1:18 pm
Can’t believe no one has gone here…..
Wait For “IT”…..
would the REAL MUSCLE HAMSTER please stand up…. Please stand up…. Where gonna have a problem here…..
January 16th, 2017 at 1:22 pm
@JJBucFan
Agreed. I wasn’t impressed with Ramczyk at first, but the more I watched the more he impressed me. He is definitely a really good pass-blocker. Not sure If Donovan would do that well at RT. But maybe.
January 16th, 2017 at 1:27 pm
I think it would take the pressure off D Smith. He wasn’t even projected as a Left Tackle but has done an admirable job. Too many penalties though. BTW 2 things… 1. you are wrong about Cook but correct that he won’t be there, LOL
2. I just watched Mixon’s highlights and I’m all in if he is there in the 3rd!!
How about Cook and Mixon? Would solve our RB issue for years. But that is if we do FA the right way. Talk about #weaponsforwinston
January 16th, 2017 at 1:36 pm
We’ll see in 5 years who’s right about Cook lol.
I guess I just like a running back with attitude. Just don’t look like Cook runs with emotion.
Personal preference I suppose.
January 16th, 2017 at 1:46 pm
@Blake
I agree with a lot that you’ve posted. If we can’t have Dalvin then I’m totally on board with Foreman…great paired with Quizz…
@NosBos I’m also watching the Patriots get 18+ Touchdowns with a running back that went undrafted, and has been cut from multiple teams.
But you can’t use Legarette Blount as an example of anything. Everybody knew he had talent and major head issues. When he SUCKER PUNCHED the Boise State player and it went viral on youtube it just looked horrible. SUCKER PUNCHES rarely look good. That was it for him in the draft.
As to why he gets cut you tell me? He played well here..he played well in NE and Belicheat still cut him…then Mike Tomlin couldn’t manage problem child and Belicheat gave him one final shot. His talent has never been an issue.
Mixon is the RB this year with the baggage…I hear you..a one time thing…as far as we know…perhaps he’s learned his lesson…perhaps he’ll go all Lawrence Phillips on us…again as the son of a loser wife beater it’ really hard for me to get past COWARDS who free the need to beat on people smaller than themselves. I’ll be rooting for some 6-8 275 lb defender to put the same hurt on him as he did the woman.
And comparisons to Bell’s pot use are absurd. Again we took a chance on #3’s “issues” and Noah Spence…but those were clearly the result of immaturity not some deep seated character flaw. Same for the pot smokers. But men who hit women have major issues!
I’m with NOSBOS and lust for Dalvin but I won’t be crushed if we don’t get him.
I will be crushed if we keep Doug or do not draft an RB in the first two. Again Donta Foreman is fine and the kid from Tennessee might work…I’m partial to the Vols though because I lived there and covered them for a decade and I can’t forget Arian Foster going undrafted!!!
January 16th, 2017 at 1:54 pm
I agree with you 100 percent bud. Abusing women is always wrong. But he was in a heated argument with a strange women who slapped him in the face. Like I have stated before, any grown man with a cool head would have still just walked away. But he was a 17 year old kid at the time, and has 0 problems since. Immaturity is a powerful force my brother, you and I both know that.
Btw I wasn’t comparing Mixon’s situation to Lev Bell, Even tho they are kind of similar on the field, But I digress.
Rrsrq Says:
January 16th, 2017 at 11:11 am
I wonder if Bucs fan would’ve wanted to get rid Lev Bell, because he had a suspension and he dances before he hits the hole. Just wondering.
I was saying not to compare Lev bell to Chuck or Druggie.
January 16th, 2017 at 1:59 pm
And yes, Legarette Blount is unique case. The main point I was trying to express to NosBos, which he is still reticent to accept, is that It’s really easy to find Talented Running backs outside of the First round.
January 16th, 2017 at 2:00 pm
Well, I shouldnt say easy, It’s not uncommon to find them outside the first.
January 16th, 2017 at 2:12 pm
If Joe Mixon passes an interview with the Bucs and the front office feel that it was an isolated incident, I would have no problem at all if they used the 2nd round pick on him. To me it appears he has taken the right steps to mature and move on.
January 16th, 2017 at 2:21 pm
@Joeypoppems
As impressive as Mixon’s tape is, And the Glazers were on board, then I’d have to agree with you.
January 16th, 2017 at 2:22 pm
Blake
I was referring to the other poster about Leveon Bell’s pot use. I realize that you never compared them.
It’s really easy to find Talented Running backs outside of the First round.
You corrected the “really easy” part and so I agree with you Blake. You can certainly find lightning in the bottle at any position..occasionally…as in Kwon in the 4th. I would also concede there is probably a great RB lurking in the 3rd or 4th this year.
Generally speaking though you have to look beyond some perceived flaw like Mixon’s past or even a bad senior season or a meme that develops like the one around Terrelle Pryor being difficult in the locker room.
Imagine Arian Foster going UNDRAFTED. How the hell did that happen.
Wikipedia gives us the answer.
Foster’s subpar senior campaign caused his draft stock to plummet, as well as scouts’ concerns about his below-average pass-blocking, issues with ball security, character issues (partly due to his earlier arrest) and the less-than-stellar reviews from Tennessee staff members that portrayed him as selfish and hard to coach. A pulled hamstring also prevented Foster from working out at the NFL Scouting Combine, then he had a poor showing at Tennessee’s Pro Day when he registered a 4.65 40-yard dash, 4.50 short shuttle, vertical leap and 9′7″ broad jump. The combination of factors led to Foster being undrafted at the 2009 NFL Draft; after several teams showed interest in him as a rookie free agent, he chose to sign a contract with the Houston Texans in May 2009 because he thought the situation suited him.
It’s one thing to drop in the draft…a back of Foster’s ability going totally undrafted and no Legarrette Blount sucker punch on youtube!
So Blake let’s take that kid from Tennessee. 🙂
January 16th, 2017 at 2:23 pm
If he had a clean slate, In my mind he’d be a 1st rounder all day. Rare combination of Speed, elusiveness, and power.
January 16th, 2017 at 2:26 pm
Vision off the charts as well.
January 16th, 2017 at 2:30 pm
@Stpete
Yeah I’d say that all those things happening to Foster was a perfect storm of bad luck for the kid. Shame too, because he is an outstanding player when healthy.
And are you referring to Jalen Hurd or Alvin Kamara?
January 16th, 2017 at 2:36 pm
oh wait you meant that metaphorically. Lol I’m with you on that man.
January 16th, 2017 at 2:47 pm
I like the idea of dalvin but if gone. Would love Howard in first then Nixon in 2nd. That would be strong
January 16th, 2017 at 3:01 pm
@Blake if Mixon had a clean slate I would be arguing with NosBos to draft Mixon over Cook lol
January 16th, 2017 at 3:01 pm
Blake
I was referring to Kamara. He doesn’t blow my doors off but who knows.
Remember I have a different attitude than most here. I do this for fun but it’s a giant circle jerk.
The draft is a crapshoot…even the pros are 50-50 by the 3rd round. And the draft boards will turn over after the combine. Our desires will be different once we find out which FA’s we’re going to sign.
But it is fun to speculate and at least it’s not going to make us blind. 🙂
January 16th, 2017 at 3:08 pm
@Poppems Agreed dude. I prefer what i’ve seen on tape from Mixon to what I’ve seen from Cook.
January 16th, 2017 at 3:25 pm
@Stpete Yeah no offense but he didn’t blow my doors off either dude. I’d say my favorite candidate for like a 5th or 6th round guy would be Tarik Cohen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsimHbxxFd8
Looks eerily similar to Darren Sproles. But he’s a small school kid, playing against nothing defenses. Still the Traits are there.
January 16th, 2017 at 3:36 pm
Geez NOS BOS and Blake – just get a room and end this sexual tension…
January 16th, 2017 at 3:41 pm
Lul. Good one.
January 16th, 2017 at 4:03 pm
I’m a huge Longhorns fan and when Foreman, who had 10 games for over 100 rushing yards last year, I was very upset when he was not a top consideration for the Heisman. He actually was around number 5 and that consideration began near the end of voting. What BS.
January 16th, 2017 at 5:10 pm
SOEbuc
Thanks for that input from somebody who is familiar with the program.
I’m a big Dalvin fan but I’m not sure we have the juice or would spend any draft picks to move up….but if he falls…
Otherwise your guy is my fave. But I’ve been wanting a Marshawn Lynch type for awhile now. I would love to be able to go beast mode and Foreman is the only back I see with that potential.
He only had seven catches but that doesn’t mean he has bad hands…maybe they just didn’t use him that way. What’s your take? Will he be able to catch the ball out of the backfield?
January 16th, 2017 at 5:46 pm
https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/5fiy2m/texas_hb_donta_foreman_hasnt_allowed_a_sack_in/
January 16th, 2017 at 5:59 pm
Blake
Wow thanks for that stat. He’s the best blocking back and he can go beast mode?
I’m not with the NFL types who believe a “running” RB who can’t catch out of the backfield is a liability because D’s know you’re going to run the ball. Really?
I think it’s always and advantage if the D thinks you’re definitely doing something,
They stack the box and it’s play action pass time…I think this is an area where #3 excels IMO and if the RB is a stud blocker…WOW!
January 16th, 2017 at 6:02 pm
@Stpete
Couldn’t agree more my friend. And If there’s one thing I’ve learned from Jameis’ time with the Bucs, It’s that he excels off of hard Play Action.
January 16th, 2017 at 6:07 pm
don’t sleep on Jamaal Williams either. Of all the Day 2 RBs he is becoming my favorite
January 16th, 2017 at 6:27 pm
@Poppems
Good find dude, I like his running style. Very patient, keeps his head on a swivel looking for daylight. Runs angry, and shows elusiveness with power. He reminds me a lot of Jordan Howard in Chicago.
He might be worth a 3rd, I’d pick him up in the 4th without hesitation.
I still like Perine a bit better tho as a 3rd rounder. But would not be displeased with Williams.
January 16th, 2017 at 7:31 pm
My post want about Mixon, it was primarily about Bucs fan that want to judge players like Martin. Fans wanted to trade ME after he took a knee. The fans here (not all) want to get rid of players that make mistakes or do something that they disagree with. My point is, that if Lev Bell was a Buc and he got suspended for 3 games because of drug use, I believe they (not all) would’ve wanted him on a train ride out of Tampa and clamoring who they thought was the next best thing. I wonder if Mixon, did get drafted here, how many will have already judged him for a mistake he made at 17 (could’ve walked away, but he was provoked (not an excuse)
January 16th, 2017 at 7:56 pm
@Rrsrq
I disagree. The greater the talent, the greater the tolerance. If Doug Martin was a consistant 1,300 yard rusher every year there would be a lot less fans calling for his head. If Bell was here doing what he has been with the Steelers fans would be waiting for his return with open arms. No idea what youre talking about with Evans, I never saw any comments about trading him. The point is no matter what a guy has done in the past, fans forget about it quickly if he has success. That includes Mixon.
January 16th, 2017 at 8:03 pm
Rodgers wasn’t good – he was a spot started and did well when given the chance. However if you think you’re making him your ever down back you’re looking at a bust of a season. I think in a rotation he can provide a good spark, and he plays a different role than Sims does – but to make him your #1 guy is asking for a huge amount of trouble.
The Bucs have so much cap space I think if they want to overspend a bit to get him to take a one year deal and to reward him for having a good 2015, then that makes sense, maybe like $3.5mil/1 year sounds fair in my mind – but we shall see what the rest of the NFL thinks and if anyone wants to pay him more.
January 17th, 2017 at 12:04 am
Hopefully Martin is still running the ball for us next year.
I think our management is smarter than previous regimes, addition by subtraction is just subtraction.
January 17th, 2017 at 1:40 am
I would trade be mad at all if we drafted OJ in the 1st and D’onta in the 2nd