“I Don’t Think He’s Even An Average Left Tackle”
January 23rd, 2017
Dissed
The assault on Donovan Smith won’t end.
In fact, it’s heating up on the local airwaves.
Few big voices (and shows) remain in local sports radio, and one of them belongs to J.P Peterson, afternoon co-host on WDAE-AM 620 and the former sports anchor on WFLA-TV, Ch. 8.
Peterson has been around the NFL for years — he worked on Falcons broadcasts during the Mike Smith/Dirk Koetter regime — and now he’s joined the chorus of Bucs fans and stat nerds blasting left tackle Donovan Smith.
“I don’t think he’s even an average left tackle. I’d move [his position],” Peterson said of Smith today, adding that he’d bless the Bucs drafting Smith’s replacement at LT.
Peterson says he’s a huge fan of the ProFootball Focus.com tribe, the mysterious spreadsheeters who labeled Anthony Collins, the guy Smith replaced because he was dreadful, as a superstar left tackle.
Not surprising, the PFF Tribe is down on Smith — again — based on their 2016 data routinely ignored by NFL personnel men.
The left side of the Buccaneers’ line was a real problem area, with the play of LT Donovan Smith proving to be a real issue. Smith surrendered 57 total QB pressures and 14 penalties over his season, with Kevin Pamphile inside of him chipping in with 32 pressures of his own.
This all makes Joe want to puke. Smith, a 23-year-old durable manbeast at 6-6, 338 pounds, is a good and developing player.
Joe really is tiring of the Smith bashing. He had A+ games this season and a couple of clunkers. Still, the guy can play big-time ball. And it’s a massive plus that he’s never missed a snap through two seasons.
The Bucs have many upgrade needs, including center, running back, wide receiver, returner and defensive line. Smith is one of the last guys Joe is worried about. He should improve in his third year, and then comes his contract year.
In the meantime, look for the Smith bashing to escalate.
January 23rd, 2017 at 4:55 pm
Been a while since I have commented, but I got to say I like Donovan Smith. It’s a young line that needs time to grow. I don’t think this is the year to be looking for a Tackles.
January 23rd, 2017 at 4:56 pm
Most penalized player in the league in the 2 seasons since he was drafted.
January 23rd, 2017 at 4:58 pm
BUILD A WALL!! I like Donovan but not at Left Tackle, he’s already made a stink about being on the right side, so I would try him at Left Guard but what do I know….this is a problem for that All World Staff …… Get to work on BUILDING THE WALL!!!
January 23rd, 2017 at 5:00 pm
Hey joes is today the day I can comment?
January 23rd, 2017 at 5:06 pm
the PFF guys are Jokes.
January 23rd, 2017 at 5:09 pm
If there is one Position group that is notorious for having a slow development arc, its the offensive line group.
That being said, I wouldnt be mad if we drafted Garett Bolles to compete for the LT spot. Then maybe slide Donovan to LG and Move Pamphile to RT. Then Marpet at Center and maybe Ron Leary at RG?
It’s fun to speculate about these things. But there’s no way of predicting exactly what JL is thinking when it comes to the current state of the O-line.
Just gotta wait and see.
January 23rd, 2017 at 5:09 pm
Here’s what is stupid about “QB pressures” – they don’t take into account when the QB gets hurried as far as I can tell. Was it 1.3 seconds after the snap or was it 5-6 seconds after the snap? No difference to the spreadsheets.
Also this same guy saying for us to get a LT in the draft – there are none that grade higher than Smith did coming out lol. You might as well say we need to draft our next franchise QB in this draft.
January 23rd, 2017 at 5:14 pm
Hes too worried about bugs on the field playing scared.
We need better bug guys at RayJay and OneBuc
January 23rd, 2017 at 5:14 pm
I agree totally we have a problem on our O-Line…….but it is on the right side. I’ve been “anti-Demar Dotson” for a while now (and don’t get me started on Gosder Cherilus).
January 23rd, 2017 at 5:17 pm
Seriously though he needs to improve. Sure he has Aplus games he should but he is waay to inconsistent. He needs to improve but no way you replace him this early. This line should start to gel this season
January 23rd, 2017 at 5:17 pm
@Lord C
Normally me and you on the same page. But If my memory serves, Donovan smith had a 3rd Round grade as a Guard in the eyes of most.
Ryan Ramcyzk solid, my Favorite OT prospect is Bolles.
January 23rd, 2017 at 5:19 pm
I like Donovan Smith too, but we always need to be open to improving our team. IF, in the draft this year, there is a better left tackle to be had then Smith when we pick, I think the Bucs and Smith need to be open to the possibility of moving him to right tackle.
January 23rd, 2017 at 5:29 pm
We should have address that problem last season, when we passed on Laremy Tunsil.
January 23rd, 2017 at 5:31 pm
I like d.smith at LT….he’s still young….his problem is that he gets a little lazy/sloppy with his technique….he’ll be fine…him and marpet are the least of my worries when it comes to the oline….GO BUCS!!!!
January 23rd, 2017 at 5:35 pm
If I remember correctly, Peterson is one of those who thought the Bucs would be better off without Gruden and was happy to see him go. How’d that work out?
January 23rd, 2017 at 5:37 pm
I feel like I agree with the joes pretty often but I just don’t see it with DSmith. He’s good for almost 1 penalty per game and generally at the worst times. Mainly a false start. He also has about one move, take a step back and try to punch the DE past Jameis and I’ve seen plenty of times where’s he’s whiffed. That’s pushing, not pass pro
January 23rd, 2017 at 5:37 pm
I don’t know. I don’t follow all this PFF crap. I don’t care much for stats.
I do however follow my eyes. My eyes told me Winston had a problem with the right side of the line. Pressure came from that side a lot. Always running for his life to left side of the field.
Fix RT.
January 23rd, 2017 at 5:41 pm
Sorry Bobby. Just saw your post. I concur!
January 23rd, 2017 at 5:43 pm
Passing on future consensus all pro laremy tunsil for undersized vh3 was another horrible personnel move by the GM, passing on a top 3 player in draft and franchise LT to continue to help protect jameis was garbage only hope licht can get some positive healthy OL this off season
January 23rd, 2017 at 5:44 pm
Oline was mediocre in 2016. Getting all mad and offended when acknowledged doesn’t change the fact that they sucked as a unit all year save a few games against bad teams. Fix the line and the whole offense runs much better and we are probably a playoff team. Ignore the oline because mediocrity is your thing then the offense and team will remain mediocre. This is on Licht to assess and fix. If he does then I will sing his praises. If not then we will continue to disappoint and it will be on Licht.
January 23rd, 2017 at 5:46 pm
Peterson is right btw, goes without saying.
January 23rd, 2017 at 5:46 pm
This isn’t the year to use a first round pick on a left tackle. The Bucs need a game changer wide receiver and should consider trading up if necessary. We need a good safety early as well. Receiver should be the top priority this draft.
January 23rd, 2017 at 5:52 pm
Not convinced that Donovan would be better off at RT. The biggest concern about him that I read about seems to be ‘slow feet’ and IF that’s the case, perhaps he’d do better at Left Guard than Left Tackle. Of course that means the Bucs would need to find a LT in either FA or the draft and those don’t come cheap. Looks like the Vikings’ Matt Kalil is a UFA and he was a darned good LT until this past yr when he got busted up (hip) early in the season (started 65 straight games as a LT starting his rookie yr … was #4 pick in the 2012 draft). If he’s healed up, Kalil could be a great addition. And he’s only 28.
January 23rd, 2017 at 5:54 pm
A yp b dawg and blake I just got off the phone wit he told me to give y’all a shout out. Said for y’all to keep up yhe good work,haye is major motivating factor in his life. Oh and see you got busy swaying those votes in favor of the WR position huh. Too its easy to see all votes coming from device. You know what the data said when I first sent you to the poll. That’ll be our lil secrect smart guy😉👍.
January 23rd, 2017 at 6:00 pm
Are you delusional Nosbos? The first and only time I voted, It was already 54 percent in favor of WR.
Do you actually think anyone believes you just got off the phone with Dalvin Cook?
Why are you so obsessed with the guy? It’s kinda freaky tbh.
January 23rd, 2017 at 6:02 pm
I agree that he could be upgraded, but before that I would find a center and a left guard. Smith might be good enough to set the edge if Winston had room to move up in the pocket. The middle of this oline needs work and it should start at center.
January 23rd, 2017 at 6:02 pm
@Joe Make one of your patented polls to see what Position the Joebucsfan populace wants to address with the our 1st Round pick please.
January 23rd, 2017 at 6:09 pm
So basically everyone but one Joe thinks the Bucs o line is a liability. I’ll take the opinion of the majority over the opinion of the Joes who wanted Manziel over Carr and called Vic Beasley a bust too soon
January 23rd, 2017 at 6:16 pm
And how in h3ll someone wit a tag called “waterboy” gone attempt to asess some talent. Yo personal choice of atag implies to me that’s the status robe always amounted to when it came sports going thru life. Last to get pick huh. Talking bout melvin gordan and Dalvin like they any where near the same type of back.
January 23rd, 2017 at 6:18 pm
You can call it that. Y’all hate for the kid is what driving me. I’ll be here to rep him everyday as result of it.
January 23rd, 2017 at 6:19 pm
I am now 100 percent convinced that Nosbos Has fantasies about holding Dalvin Cook in his arms at night.
January 23rd, 2017 at 6:20 pm
Probably has a Dalvin Cook body pillow and all.
January 23rd, 2017 at 6:20 pm
NOSBOS… no offense but as of right now melcin gordon is far superior an NFL back as he is killingit aganst pro teams not nc state chattanooga and wake forest
January 23rd, 2017 at 6:22 pm
Just remembered I haven’t done this in a while
#FoolsGold
#NextDarrenMcfadden
#GimmeMy50
#LongGoneBy19
January 23rd, 2017 at 6:29 pm
I’m torn on this issue of the Oline. I agree that we need to be constantly improving in this department and we need depth that is better than what we have. That said this was the same Oline that blocked for one of the best rushing attacks and a rookie 4000 yard passer in 2015.
The common criticism of Smith seems to be his slow movement speed which is obviously a major detriment to a tackle. Moving him inside to guard could be the answer if Sweezy is done but he is getting paid to be the left guard so we have to wait and see what happens with him.
January 23rd, 2017 at 6:33 pm
I get it Dusty,waterboy made a comment on the other thread implying Gordon not being all that and comparing Dalvin in the same light. I was just responding to him and smart guy blake because of his lame up pointing arrows.
January 23rd, 2017 at 6:39 pm
@ NosBos
Just got off the phone with Dalvin, he told me to tell you to hop off.
January 23rd, 2017 at 6:43 pm
I agree our offensive line needs to improve but we need to get the help in free agency because the draft is week at OT and OG this year plus we desperately need explosive players on offense
January 23rd, 2017 at 6:45 pm
NOBOS gotcha, id be in favor of cook but he will be gone by our pick, might be first RB taken as i think he might be better in pass game than fournette
January 23rd, 2017 at 6:47 pm
Maybe he should worry about his craft instead of trying to be funny on the radio.
January 23rd, 2017 at 7:02 pm
The offensive line play this past weekend was fantastic outside of the Packers who suffered multiple injuries to their line during the game. Yes, they are playing in front of great QB’s but it makes a huge difference when they provide them with excellent protection. The Bucs line pales in comparison I’m afraid. PFF ranked the Bucs line as the 25th best/worst in the league and having watched a lot of football this year that strikes me as a perfectly fair ranking. The Joe’s have a real blind spot when it comes to the Bucs offensive line. Almost as bad as their love for the ”rock-star” Mark Dominik. Maybe it’s time for Ira to put you on blast over this O-Line blind spot. An offense is simply not going to generate enough big plays in either the run game or passing game with a line like the Bucs had this year.
The hope is that Smith and Pamphile take a big step forward in their 3rd and 2nd seasons respectively and perhaps an upgrade to Hawley is found. The strength of our line is on the right side where Marpet is already very close to pro bowl level and Dotson, despite his critics, is an above average NFL right tackle. Donald Penn was an above average NFL left tackle (ie: highly valuable!) who never missed a snap and also had his many critics in Tampa. You do not get rid of players like that at such a critical position!
January 23rd, 2017 at 7:06 pm
Smart guy says he’s “fools gold” if that’s the case mixon,fournette and any other RB give mentioned blake got to be copper or aluminum cause Dalvin clearly the best homeboy. And Dusty I agree its why I feel he will be a better fit for our offense because of good pass catching ability.
January 23rd, 2017 at 7:08 pm
I wouldn’t be surpried at all if he were the first one to come of either Dusty.
January 23rd, 2017 at 7:08 pm
@Blake-
You’re right on Smith’s stock so my bad – he was a round 2/3 graded guy; but that’s how most the OTs are in this class; and even the top Ts like Robinson seem to be projected as RTs that are in similar molds to Smith.
I’d love him at RT with an elite LT prospect if we deem there is one. I like keeping him at T because he has good feet for his size
January 23rd, 2017 at 7:09 pm
The mocks are saying cleve at 12 but I doubt Hue Jackson would take Dalvin over DeShean Watson. 14,15 and 16 are a different story tho bro.
January 23rd, 2017 at 7:11 pm
Lord what up. blake you wanna know why Jacksonville won’t sniff Dalvin at 4??? Because Cam Robinson at 4 makes more since dude.
January 23rd, 2017 at 7:16 pm
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Cam Robinson is pure garbage dude.
January 23rd, 2017 at 7:20 pm
And that was a pretty good analogy you came up with NosBos.
You see FoolsGold looks really good to the eye, and has a lot of flash, and it can fool people into thinking that its really worth something.
Where as copper & aluminum, while not as aesthetically pleasing to the eye, have numerous purposes and practical applications, they get the job done. And hold real value. Plus they don’t break down nearly as fast.
January 23rd, 2017 at 7:21 pm
Dalvin Cook will be the first Running back taken, and he will be selected by the Jags.
January 23rd, 2017 at 7:22 pm
@Lord C
I REALLY do not like Cam Robinson as a prospect. Dude’s feet are so damn slow they make Smith’s feet look like Grease lightning.
He’s another fools gold prospect.
January 23rd, 2017 at 7:23 pm
Also Nosbos Ima do you a solid, and let you know that the word is spelled *sense*
January 23rd, 2017 at 7:25 pm
I do have sympathy with Pamphile. It was his first year as a starter and all things considered he wasn’t that bad but the reality is that him replacing Mankins (who was a brilliant run blocker) really hurt our run game this year. One of the biggest off season questions facing the Bucs is whether you stick or twist at LT and LG. I guess the Bucs will stick considering they’re both Licht draft picks, both young and have shown they can play quite well at times.
I quite like the idea of Marpet moving to center and signing either Zeitler or Lang (assuming injury isn’t too bad) at right guard. An upgrade is needed somewhere. Simply hoping for significant improvement from Smith and Pamphile seems like wishful thinking. The Falcons simply went out and got Alex Mack as an immediate upgrade and he’s been huge for them.
January 23rd, 2017 at 7:37 pm
Smith is far from great and has some Kenyatta Walker tendencies but is far from the worst of the line! While he won’t make anyone forget Paul Gruber…or even Roman Oben, LT NOT a position of dire need. Weapons are needed MUCH more than a LT early! #WeaponsForWinston
January 23rd, 2017 at 7:40 pm
Jville has two RBs on they’re roster now with a similar running style goofy. As far as someone that is about to be a millionaire being garbage. Well lets just you’ll still be here posting nonesince. You funny dude.
January 23rd, 2017 at 7:44 pm
I don’t really care one bit about what “analysts” and radio hosts have to say about a guy that has been durable and played well. I’ll admit that the penalties need to be corrected but did JP happen to watch any Bucs games? The left tackle wasn’t nearly as big of an issue as Right tackle was. Cherilus seems like a good dude and teammate, but when he came in and got thrown on the ground like a rag doll, it was embarrassing. I even had to laugh as he shrugged his shoulder and picks himself off the ground. Donovan is just fine and nobody will argue that Marpet is a beast. Pamphile played well and looks like a keeper. We have a hole at Center and RT. Not at LT. It would be foolish for us to spend a pik any higher than the 3rd round on the O Line. I expect us to look for possible gems in FA on the line. We do need to address it but not as bad as we need a WR2 and RB. Look at the playoffs, namely the Falcons. They’ve done it through offense. Our Line has played pretty well and could be a bit better especially after some time to gel. We need skill position talent. The line would look a whole lot better with a stud RB ad WR just like our secondary would look a lot better if our D Line weren’t so inept. D Line needs more attention than O Line.
January 23rd, 2017 at 7:45 pm
As I’ve said before, Smith is serviceable. He is average. Unfortunately, you don’t want your left tackle to be just average. I would prefer they moved him to right tackle and then find a better left tackle, that way both positions would be upgraded.
Unfortunately, Smith says he would make a lousy right tackle. So there is that.
January 23rd, 2017 at 7:48 pm
1 of Jacksonville’s starting Running backs was Chris Ivory, Nothing at all like Cook, he also struggled all year. Ivory only generated 439 yards, at 3.8 ypc, and had 3 Touchdowns. The other is T.J Yeldon, who in all honesty does not have the same break away speed as cook. He also struggled. 465 yds and only 1 touchdown
And If you look at our Roster, we have 2 young running backs that both averaged 4+ Ypc Quizz had 529 yds at 4.3 a carry. Peyton only had 55 carries, but he averaged 4.1 for 223 yards.
Tell me again why it doesn’t make more sense for the Jags to draft him?
In your mind, it should be a no brainer, since (correct use of this spelling), you think he’s such a great talent.
January 23rd, 2017 at 7:49 pm
I doubt you even looked up who the Jaguars Rb’s were before you made that claim tho…
January 23rd, 2017 at 7:50 pm
Most of y’all need to put that salt back in the cupboard. D Smith hasn’t missed a single snap in his career, all the while protecting the blind side of the guy who ended up throwing for more yards in his first two seasons than anyone in history. Y’all are the same people who were happy to see Penn let go a couple years back, calling him fat and over the hill; noe look at what he’s done in Oakland. This team has plenty of needs, LT ain’t one of them.
January 23rd, 2017 at 8:06 pm
@Blake. Dalvin is the pick if he were there at #19. It would be a no-brainer. The problem is as much as me and NOSBOS love him, he’s just not going to be on the board at 19. RB, WR, DE should be our pick. We have the ost need at those positions. The BPA should fit one of those molds. If an absolute stud Center or Tackle gets through, than perhaps and only in that situation should we think O Line.
January 23rd, 2017 at 8:08 pm
Bro you lost me when you called somebody garbage. You ain’t no talent evaulator you a jag ( just a guy ). You couldn’t walk a half step in that young man’s shoes. Throwing out all these names everyday, like you sit up watch countless amounts of film. How come you ain’t a member of a pro outfit. I’ll tell you why again you a jag that’s why dude. Cam bout to be ballin on yo @$$ and you’ll be here posting on jbf. Like jag’s do.
January 23rd, 2017 at 8:11 pm
Mike Williams Clemson
January 23rd, 2017 at 8:11 pm
@Cmurda, I’m at a place now where that’s the main point I’m trying to make.
Throw out my opinion of Dalvin, Forget that it exists. He will not be there at 19. And it would be stupid and reckless to leverage our future on a RB in the first.
That’s really what I’m trying to drive home. There are 10 or so prospects in this draft that I love, but I don’t talk about them on here because I know they’ll be long gone by 19.
So why not shift the conversation to players that we could realistically get?
January 23rd, 2017 at 8:11 pm
And according to yo talent eval @$$ it doesn’t make since to take RBs in round one right??? Now show us all where there O line ranked this season bright boy. And you tell me what a new HC woulds do come draft night.
January 23rd, 2017 at 8:12 pm
When I say Leverage our future, I’m referring to trading away multiple picks to move up of course.
January 23rd, 2017 at 8:14 pm
I agree Joe. He’s young and getting better. The penalties should go down. Technique should help with the speed rushers.
January 23rd, 2017 at 8:15 pm
People keep saying he’ll be long gone but my question is are y’all looking at the rosters of the teams a head of us??? I’m not so sure about long gone. The cokts maybe because Gore is old, the eagles maybe because Sproles a lil guy and the Ravens maybe because they cut ties wit Forset. Which leads me to believe we have a trade partner in Arizona,a team my GM had strong ties to.
January 23rd, 2017 at 8:16 pm
Man please it ain’t gone no more than one 3rd round pick in 2017.
January 23rd, 2017 at 8:19 pm
I’m not a talent scout, nor do I claim to be. I’m a 23 year old plumbers apprentice, who happens to have a deeply rooted passion for my God, my Family, NFL football, and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Whether you believe me or not, I love football, and I do watch a LOT of film on college prospects for someone who doesn’t get paid to do it. During the off season, my favorite thing to do is look up all the top prospects for the positions that I think the Bucs need to upgrade.
I’m not bragging when I say this. But I’m right a bit more frequently than I’m wrong. I could tell after one highlight video that Mike Evans and Odell Beckham would be year 1 studs. And I prayed for us not to draft Johnny 8ball on draft night 2014. I don’t claim to be 100 percent right, but I feel as tho I have a pretty good eye for talent dude. I just trust my eyes bro.
January 23rd, 2017 at 8:22 pm
Also, you’re dead wrong about Cam Robinson. Kid will be a bust. Letting you know that right now. He doesn’t even come close to Donovan Smith levels of NFL success.
January 23rd, 2017 at 8:24 pm
Joe – I’ve been writing the same thing all year. I’m sorry to say, but you’re dead wrong about Smith. He is a subpar liability who will never be an elite LT. When you praise him you are doing so in a vacuum and not actually comparing him to the rest of the league. The indisputable fact is that the Bucs suffered GREATLY from the play of both of their tackles:
They were among the league leaders in needing to keep extra blockers in (instead of running routes) in order to chip and help their tackles. There were so many times Jameis would only have 2 guys running routes on key 3rd down passing plays when the opposition was getting pressure.
Jameis was hit the 5th most times in the entire NFL this season and we’re talking about one of the best at avoiding pressure and extending plays (which makes his line look undeservedly better).
Move Smith inside or to RT and continue the hunt for a better LT and the Bucs could improve multiple positions on their O-line with a single move.
Jameis is 23 going into next season. He deserves the best talent the Bucs can surround him with. He does not deserve to be saddled with a subpar LT for the remainder of his career just because he’s REALLY big and looks like he should be good.
January 23rd, 2017 at 8:24 pm
We should have address that problem last season, when we passed on Laremy Tunsil.
Then last season we would have still had major questions in our defensive backfield.
I get the lust for some players but guys…we only get 7 picks..barring trades and acquistions…and those last three rounds are a crap shoot…hell the first four are not sure things either.
Laremy Tunsil was a nobrainer I agree. But VHG had an excellent rookie season at a position where we had more need.
January 23rd, 2017 at 8:27 pm
Blake
23 years old!!!! You and I hold down the opposite ends of the JBF demo pie.
Try 69…LOL
Hey thanks for your service as a plumbers apprentice. This country has gone off the freaking rails for a while now…at least since the 80’s.
We do not respect the men and women who hold jobs that keep his country running. We’d all be up shiiit creek without plumbers.
But hey where would we be without another corporate CEO?
Kudos to you Blake…hope it works out great for you.
January 23rd, 2017 at 8:33 pm
Preciate the good vibes and kind words there StPete.
Love & Respect my man. Go Bucs!
January 23rd, 2017 at 9:15 pm
NOSBOS and Blake, please text each other of FB message each other. It is annoying to scroll through post after post with almost every JoeBucs article with you two bickering. I assume the majority of readers are like me, and just tired of it. I don’t read a single post by you two anymore because its always the same. Who knows one day you may have something interesting to say and I won’t know because when I see your usernames I just scroll past immediately.
January 23rd, 2017 at 9:18 pm
Touchdown be quiet ain’t it pass your bed time??? I say the deal won’t cost anymore than a 3rd because that’s what we got from Chicago just this past draft in a similar deal.
January 23rd, 2017 at 9:29 pm
@Why so negative Touchdown tony? Lol.
January 23rd, 2017 at 9:29 pm
Blah blah blah blah blah. Seriously, start a private thread for you two. Nobody else cares anymore.
January 23rd, 2017 at 9:31 pm
Lol I’ve talked about plenty more in this last two days than just dalvin cook dude.
I’m honestly over it and i’ve been trying to move on to different topics.
But you’re right, I should just let it go when NosBos blathers on about him…
January 23rd, 2017 at 9:37 pm
Blake our verbal sparring ended when you just revealed your true age. I wish you hadn’t but its out there now. Its been all in fun bro. Good luck to you on that apprenticeship homie.
January 23rd, 2017 at 9:39 pm
So maybe Blake and Nos should get a room. However, there is no football news and Only the Combine, FA, and the Draft in the next 4 months before we wait another 5 to watch the Game!
These two are just working out their frustrations. If you don’t like it then skip over the convo when you read their name.
January 23rd, 2017 at 9:41 pm
But Touchdown if nobody else cares why do you all continue reading??? That’s what crazy if you ask me. I told the whole jbf a week or so ago scroll past my verbiage, but y’all can’t help yourselves you gotta stop and read NOSBOS. You love it why because I give you something to gripe about that’s why. We need that type of pressure relief from time to time.
January 23rd, 2017 at 9:42 pm
I swear I hadn’t seen that before I push send Big bro.
January 23rd, 2017 at 9:43 pm
Look, I am all about my team. I have been a fan through 41 years living in 20 diff states and 6 diff countries. Some of you should realize that we are all on the same side. Offseason is tough and we should try and find common ground now that we are a WINNING TEAM!
Sorry for yelling.
January 23rd, 2017 at 9:44 pm
All Good My Brother.! 🙂
January 23rd, 2017 at 10:25 pm
So many unqualified people are strangling the world of stats. Here’s another one. After two seasons I’m not sure how I feel about Smith but I wouldn’t say he’s below average. Guess we’ll find out what the team thinks when draft day rolls around. He wasn’t the best lineman this year but wasn’t the worst either
January 23rd, 2017 at 10:37 pm
Joe has spoken with several (double figures) NFL personnel folks over the past year and Joe has yet to find one to tell him Donovan Smith needs to be thrown overboard. No, they are not stat geeks who pretend to know the game; these are scouts, front office personnel and former coaches who Joe has spoken to about Donovan Smith.
Sorry if Joe trusts these guys over college students who slap a grade on a player an hour after a game without any remote knowledge about line calls, etc.
January 23rd, 2017 at 10:42 pm
@BigMac
Yeah man. I like M Will. I have 3 problems with it though. 1) His name is Mike Williams. Yes, that’s my number 1 reason. 2) He doesn’t have that real deep threat presence. He doesn’t have game-changing Tyreke Evans speed. He’s more of a get to the highest point and get it type of receiver. Still, that doesn’t drop the safeties back. 3) I don’t think he will be available at #19.
I definitely see him being a solid receiver in the NFL. Those contested catches won’t be as easy for him to get it in the NFL though.
January 23rd, 2017 at 10:47 pm
But Touchdown. What else is there to talk about? The freaking Bucs missed out on the playoffs again. Arguing about Dalvin Cook makes me forget about this team that prick teases me each year.
January 23rd, 2017 at 11:16 pm
Glad to see you here Joe. Can we at least address the Horrid run blocking. We blame a bunch on DM and Quiz and the rest but we flat out stunk at Run Blocking. Whether that was D Smith mostly or not I don’t know. I don’t think so personally. But let’s get real. Zeke couldn’t have put up a thousand yards behind our OL. My humble opinion rendered.
January 23rd, 2017 at 11:24 pm
It is 9:20 here. That spells ‘almost bedtime’ in these parts.
Would really enjoy your opinion Joe, even if it is a cussing. Peace out All.
January 24th, 2017 at 12:20 am
Donovan Smith will be fine. People need to remember he has been in development. Tampa fans are too impatient.
People also need to understand he is younger than Jameis by just over 5 months. The point is he is young, just like Jameis and he will only get better.
Another year or two, especially with the coaching staff and the new attitude on the team…and he will be among the best LTs in the game.
Bucs need to either sign a great DE or draft one in the first round. Period. That;s the number one need, regardless of what the excitement seeking offensive fans want. It was the defense that got us 9 wins this year. It is the defense that helps the team recover when Jameis makes mistakes.
Adding a great DE will make a huge difference. Then draft WR. Then RT.
Center depends on whether Hawley can finally get and stay healthy. He’s great when not playing injured. Problem is he’s been playing injured for over a year.
January 24th, 2017 at 1:16 am
I see him as a average LT, which isn’t a bad thing – I don’t really see him as being a below average guy however. I think this is what he is – if the team can sign or draft someone better for the left side and they have the luxury of moving him to RT, then by all means do so – it would only help the team. But he’s not a liability.
January 24th, 2017 at 2:25 am
He’s clearly improving when you look at his film.
Does he have to cut down on the penalties? Yes, absolutely. But why did Dotson get a pass the year he lead the league in penalties, when that’s somehow a stick used to beat Smith with?
Right now, Smith is our second best lineman. If we’re drafting oline in the first few rounds, it won’t be to replace him.
January 24th, 2017 at 6:33 am
He’s a joe favorite. Fact is he wasn’t very good. Just because he started every game doesn’t make him good. Was he terrible? Boy he had some bad games but Collins was obviously worse. I’m not ready to scrap the guy, but he’s got to be better. I think the o line was inconsistent in general. Bucs probably should explore upgrades.
January 24th, 2017 at 7:07 am
He has terrible footwork, poor down field blocking skills, lacks vision, lacks violent hands and more often than not he slacks on a play and for Christ sakes he’s effing afraid of moths. But hey, guys he suited up every game lets get him a trophy.
January 24th, 2017 at 8:35 am
There are easily 16 starting LT’s across the NFL I’d rather have starting than Donovan Smith.
January 24th, 2017 at 8:45 am
I like him too Joe, but he struggled. MIGHTLY. I think we should move him to gaurd and find a better left tackle.
January 24th, 2017 at 9:38 am
Smith had his moments, but I think we would be wise to take a good look at Ryan Ramczyk. Our pass protection was not good enough from the outside. And the oline, more so than any other position group, benefits greatly from competition and depth.
Now Donovan Smith, yeah he’s durable but he did not make the progress this year that many expected. Also being durable and being productive are two separate things.
January 24th, 2017 at 8:27 pm
Could we trade 2 firsts and 2 seconds for myles garret? Would that be a good move?