Dirk Koetter Opens Up On Mike Glennon’s Potential Return In 2017
January 3rd, 2017
So what’s a valuable backup quarterback actually worth to the Bucs while they wait to spend a giant pile of available salary cap cash for the 2017 season?
General manager Jason Licht, of course. But it seems Mike Glennon might have the answer, as well.
Dirk Koetter explained yesterday that the Glennon has been told “on multiple occasions” that the Bucs want to re-sign him. Glennon becomes an unrestricted free agent after this season.
“I’m a huge Mike Glennon fan,” Koetter said yesterday on the Buccaneers Radio Network. “The problem with backup quarterbacks is, you know, you hope you never have to play them. … Mike’s an unrestricted free agent. So Mike, just the way the collective bargaining is now, Mike’s in control of what he does.
“We’ve made it very clear to him on multiple occasions that we’d love to have him back. But that’s way players, the players union, collectively bargained for this setup. So that guys like Mike that were in this position could get their shot at a big contract. Brock Osweiler is a good example of a guy that did that last year.
“So we’d like to bring Mike back. Jameis and Mike are very close but Mike’s in control of that. And in the meantime, we’ve been working with Ryan Griffin for the last almost two full seasons. When we brought Ryan Griffin in here from the Saints, we knew that there would come a time that we might be losing Mike and our quarterback coach Mike Bajakian has been spending a lot of with Ryan Griffin. And if [Glennon] isn’t back with us, the fact that Griff has been here for two seasons and, you know, we feel that he has a lot of upside as well.
“I’m a big Mike Glennon fan, but this is also just the way this thing works.”
Count Joe in as one of the guys thinking there’s no way Glennon scores anything close to Osweiler money in free agency. Glennon isn’t that good, his leadership skills aren’t well known, and Osweiler probably soured the market.
Sorry, Mike Glennon Mob, but Glennon is not guiding any team to the Super Bowl as a starter, maybe not even the 2000 Ravens. Take it to the bank that if Mike Smith gets the Jaguars job, he won’t be running to ownership to demand they trade embattled Blake Bortles so they can ink Glennon.
All that written, Glennon is one of the best No. 2 QBs in the NFL. He also knows Koetter’s system and, per Koetter, is very close with America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston.
As a 9-7 football team on the rise, the Bucs should have a quality backup, since they one (more) win really matters. (See 2016).
So Joe would applaud the Bucs locking Glennon up now up as a long-term backup. As Joe has written previously, the way Jameis sacrifices his body, sometimes needlessly, he’s likely to miss games sooner rather than later.
(Glennon talked about bailing on the Bucs to JoeBucsFan.com columnist Ira Kaufman earlier this week. That’s all right here, and it’s an excellent read.)
January 3rd, 2017 at 2:40 pm
Oswiler is the worst thing that has ever happened to Glennon’s wallet. Best of luck to him in his next chapter
January 3rd, 2017 at 2:40 pm
Garrapalo is the best #2 QB in the league
January 3rd, 2017 at 2:46 pm
Glennon should resign immediately offered a contract from the Bucs. He isn’t a starter and can make a great living backing up Jameis for next 10 or so years. If he goes somewhere else he will be in the same situation if not worse in a couple of years. He would simply be a stop gap QB until that teams drafts a QB the same way the Bucs did. He may not get a 3rd chance after that. 10 years vs 2-3 years may not be worth it. He probably wouldn’t win the starting job wherever he would land anyway.
January 3rd, 2017 at 2:49 pm
Bucs ok with Griffin…let him go…money for other positions
January 3rd, 2017 at 2:55 pm
All it takes is one dumb team lol.
I thought it was hilarious when Houston signed Brock to that deal. I live in Denver and Brock has never done anything worth getting that excited about. His best performance was in a win against the Pats; but even in that win; one of his best plays was just a ball he threw up 40 yards that Demarius THomas had to snag over someone else.
You could just tell he processes information slowly; has a long motion; moves awkward within the pocket; etc etc. It’s crazy that a lot of casual fans can see that but some “smart” guy in a front office decides he’s worth 17 million a year.
So he gives me hope someone will be really dumb and sign Mike Glennon to starter type money. I could see him getting like 8-10 with incentives if there is a team that is not sold on any of the QBs in the draft. Maybe we get a 3rd or 4th round pick
January 3rd, 2017 at 3:03 pm
Lord C
Agree completely! It only takes one team. I’m pretty sanguine about MG8 though. If they can get him great…if not I hope he gets a boatload of money from some team.
Glennon has handled an incredibly tough and at times ugly situation with enormous class and he’s been a great teammate. No reason to wish him anything but the best.
January 3rd, 2017 at 3:11 pm
Not sure what is so difficult about his situation. There are 32 back ups in this league and they all deal with it. He makes a nice living. It’s not like this guy is some stud QB like Steve Young waiting behind Joe Montana. He couldn’t even beat out Josh McCown. Lovie failed miserably but he had more faith in McCown then Glennon. Right or wrong, the fact that he didn’t soundly beat him out in training camp that year should be enough evidence that he will never be the guy for a franchise.
January 3rd, 2017 at 3:14 pm
There’s certainly no shame in being the 30-40th best QB in the NFL (and thus the world). Glennon is very smart, he’s big (tall) and has a fairly strong arm. His stats in 19 real NFL games played with a 2-1 TD/Int ratio is impressive so you can add good decision maker to the list.
Aside from mobility which is almost non-existent (and as I’ve tried numerous times to explain to tickrdr when he posts and compares Glennon’s “stats” to other QBs) what MG8 simply does not have is the “It” factor that the top NFL QBs have. He is not a difference maker.
With a solid surrounding cast and good Oline – Mike Glennon can be pretty successful in this league. Of that I am fairly convinced.
If a team like Denver or Arizona or maybe even Buffalo comes calling – then Mike should jump at the opportunity to vie for a starting job on a team that gives him a chance for starting success.
But if the only offers he gets are from teams like Cleveland or the Jets – then he would be wise to pass on those type of “opportunities” and sign for a couple more years at less $ with Bucs and continue to improve his game under the tutelage of our excellent offensive coaches.
Jameis has been very durable but odds are pretty good that Winston, at some point in the next 2 years, will miss at least a game or 2.
Better to have anything he puts on tape in a real game – be in a system Mike is totally comfortable with and that provides a decent surrounding cast – than go to Cleveland and look bad because most of the players around him are bad.
The grass ain’t always greener Mike.
He also kind of screwed himself for upcoming free agency by not playing well at all this past pre-season.
January 3rd, 2017 at 3:18 pm
If you have backup to Josh McCown on your resume you’re in trouble. If you can’t get past that guy on the depth chart you don’t deserve to start anywhere. Glennon has neither the resume or upside potential to excite any fan base. I just don’t see him getting a big contract from anyone. I also don’t like the idea of paying him significant money to stay when we have holes elsewhere. Let Griffin start a game or two if Jameis goes down. If Jameis misses more than a few games next season I think we’re playing for a draft pick anyways.
January 3rd, 2017 at 3:27 pm
The only reason he was a backup to Josh McCown is that Lovie didn’t allow competition for the job No one knows how good Glennon can be, and as a competitive athlete he owes it to himself to find out what he can do. To expect him to sit his career away here is just stupid. There will be opportunities beyond Cleveland….
January 3rd, 2017 at 3:29 pm
Excellent comments from a writer that knows QB’s. Remember, he wanted to draft that all american, AMERICA’S QB before Winston, from Texas A&M who’es name suddenly escapes me.
January 3rd, 2017 at 3:39 pm
I hope MG8 signs with another team and leads them to the SB
……every man deservers a shot!……..and this Free Agency is it for MG8!!!!
January 3rd, 2017 at 3:43 pm
Jersey, if Glennon had been able to display during training camp that he was a much better QB than McCown he would have gotten the job. Lovie was a bad coach but he is not crazy.
January 3rd, 2017 at 3:49 pm
Whatever happens can we please keep just 2 qb’s this year. That extra roster spot is needed.
January 3rd, 2017 at 4:04 pm
“Jersey, if Glennon had been able to display during training camp that he was a much better QB than McCown he would have gotten the job. Lovie was a bad coach but he is not crazy.”
Not true TD tampabay. Go back and look at what actually happened. Lovie named McCown the starter from jump street. The kid won in Pittsburgh, was up 20 pts on the Seahawks in Seattle at the height of their dominance before the D let him down. Pretty impressive road work after a 0-4 start to a season that was spiraling out of control.
January 3rd, 2017 at 4:08 pm
Say we end up like the raiders next year and have a legit shot at playoffs I want someone besides griffin leading us through the playoffs. If Glennon ends up leaving we need a legit back up. Bring in keenum Schaub Sanchez somebody.
January 3rd, 2017 at 4:11 pm
Schiano would have proved Glennon a capable QB. Numnuts with their panties in a wad put up billboards because of their fake audacity at the choice of Schiano to rush the game ending kneel down play.
January 3rd, 2017 at 4:18 pm
“Schiano would have proved Glennon a capable QB. ”
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Yeah, a college defensive coach would have developed a QB. Schiano is the modern day Bill Walsh.
January 3rd, 2017 at 4:26 pm
Really? Will never lead a team to the SB as a starter?…..go ask Stan Humpheries, Chris Chandler, Jake Delhomme, Neil O’Donnell, Rex Grossman and Kerry Collins how that worked out for them. Never say never.
January 3rd, 2017 at 4:41 pm
Glennon is not guiding any team to the Super Bowl as a starter, maybe not even the 2000 Ravens.
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Does your crystal ball also have the winning power ball numbers?
January 3rd, 2017 at 4:48 pm
If Kaaya is still out there in round 4 or 5 then I’d draft him.
January 3rd, 2017 at 5:01 pm
Texas signs him.
January 3rd, 2017 at 6:41 pm
Glennon is way better then fuc**** Dilfer I don’t get all the Glennon hate around this Web site!
January 3rd, 2017 at 7:09 pm
I’m on the fence on this one.
I do believe Mike Glennon is a career backup.
But I also believe that, as such, he will NEVER get us any trade value. So I say let him go. Maybe Ryan Griffin will actually show growth as a #2 and gain trade value.
Because, a backup quarterback serves two key goals…to come in if needed and to grow and increase his trade value.
That’s the big problem I have with Mike Glennon. HE was in a position to show his growth all along, and never did. Maybe he did ut on purpose, but I doubt it.
January 3rd, 2017 at 7:09 pm
I’m not a member of the MG mob by any stretch of the imagination, but the 2000 Ravens would have won the Super Bowl with him at QB.
January 3rd, 2017 at 7:12 pm
@Buccaneer scotty
I would like to know how you’ve come to the determination that Glennon is better than Dilfer?
I’m not Dilfer fan mind you. But he accomplished lots more than Glennon has. Maybe when given the chance, Glennon will become better, but at this point he can’t even shine Dilfer’s shoes.
And Dilfer wasn’t a good QB…he just did better than Mike up to this point.
January 3rd, 2017 at 7:15 pm
Here’s the issues with Mike Glennon and how he plays:
He does okay when he comes in for a series or so. But when he’s in longer, he returns to his old bad habits.
He shows horrible leadership on the field. Too quiet. Doesn’t communicate with his players.
He’s a statue in the pocket, so unless he gets a really good offensive line, he;s going to get sacked…a lot. And when he gets sacked, he gets reckless.
I watched him every game he played, including preseason games. He showed no progression in his development.
That;s why he is a career backup. That’s why no teams wanted to trade for him.
January 3rd, 2017 at 7:51 pm
Dilfer had something like 130yards in the super bowl ! Well I guess will find out when he leaves. I hope he gets a shot and does well that’s all.if he’s anything like most the bucs who leave he’ll do great lol
January 3rd, 2017 at 7:59 pm
I guess you have to over throw your wrs.by 5ft and have 18 ints to be liked around here so be it .I give up your all correct about every player all the time and Joe knows everything about Qbs (Manziel)
January 3rd, 2017 at 8:08 pm
The only way the Bucs get a draft pick out of Glennon is if he signs a huge contract AND the Bucs don’t use that huge pile of money they have to sign anyone. Both of those things aren’t going to happen – mainly the Bucs not spending any money. The rules are setup so Tampa only gets a comp pick if they lose someone and don’t sign players of equal value – so they’d have to have like everyone with the contracts up sign big money deals elsewhere – and even if that happened with VJ and Glennon and whoever else, maybe the Bucs would get an extra 6th rounder in 2018.
So basically worrying about a comp pick shouldn’t be anything that is on anyone’s mind at this point as it just won’t happen.
Look at Oakland – they had a great season and Carr goes down with 2 games left and they go from #2 seed challenging the Pats to going on the road to Houston and probably losing. If they had a proven player like Glennon there would actually be a lot of hope and certainly the team would expect to win at least one game in the playoffs, at least.
Glennon from his side, I don’t think he’d want to be a backup – not unless he doesn’t have any other choices. I think Glennon would be a great fit for Arizona if Palmer retires, and Carson’s arm pretty much seemed to disappear by the end of the end of the year. Houston would be another place, however I doubt they’d want Glennon since him and Brock are so close in terms of size and the perception of skill – however I laughed last offseason at Houston spending that money as Brock wasn’t any good when he did play in Denver, Glennon started a lot more games and was better with a much worse team. If Buffalo lets Taylor walk, Glennon would be a good fit, same with the Jets if they don’t like their young QBs. Basically any team that has a good defense (or hope of being a good D) and has a weak QB, all of them could use Glennon and he’d be an upgrade. I don’t think Glennon would be an upgrade over Taylor, but he’s a different type of QB and might be more of what they want if they want a traditional offense.
Glennon, I think, will have a lot of options. But maybe not. If the NFL bought that McCown was actually better than Glennon and beat him out as a starter, and it wasn’t about Lovie being told to tank for Winston, then I guess Glennon’s value will be much lower than we think, or I think anyways. In that case, if he can’t start, he should sign another 1 deal with the Bucs. I’d welcome that.
January 3rd, 2017 at 11:09 pm
As far as number 2 qbs go…
Tony Romo
Derek anderson
Jimmy garappolo
Paxton lynch
Brian hoyer
Blain gabbert
Matt cassel
Are all better than Mike Glennon. Most have a lot more experience and a lot more upside. I would put glennon as a middle of the road back up QB. Maybe even top 10. He can manage a game, but don’t expect him to win it for you. Any back up qb in the NFL can do that.
January 4th, 2017 at 12:24 am
If Glennon is gone I’d prefer to have a vet QB working with Jameis.
A guy like Hoyer would be ideal.
January 4th, 2017 at 12:56 am
The Bucs should have traded him at the deadline for the highest pick they could get, even if it was a 7th rounder! I would think any team that is considering signing him this off-season would have liked to have had an opportunity to basically give him a half-season “try out” to see if he has the goods … the Bucs missed their chance 🙁
January 4th, 2017 at 12:56 am
A few stats I found interesting, assuming I did the math correctly, so please double check my work. There seems to be no dispute that the Bucs record was 9 wins and 7 losses this past year. If I did all of the additions and gezintas correctly, the Bucs offense scored 23.55 ppg for the 9 wins, and 23.7 ppg for the 7 losses. BUT, the Bucs defense held the opponents to ONLY 15 PPG for their 9 wins, but gave up 33.4 ppg during their 7 losses. So what could account for that difference??? I am sure that there must be many factors, but one that stood out to me was this. As best I could tell, in ALL but one of those losses we were behind in turnover differential. The only other game was the Oakland game where our team committed 23 penalties for 200 yards, which seems another pretty effective way to give the game away. In all of the other games, our offense turned the ball over to the other team’s offense more than we took it away, and that seemed to make all the difference in the outcome of the game.
tickrdr
January 4th, 2017 at 2:20 am
So Dr –
I gather you are implying that had Mike Glennon been the QB, we would have won a # of those games we lost – because Mike doesn’t turn the ball over as much as Jameis – am I right?
Well it certainly goes both ways. Jameis made plays in every game this year – win or lose – that Mike Glennon is completely incapable of making. Just sayin’
BTW – it was Oakland who had the 23 penalties – not the Bucs…
January 4th, 2017 at 5:54 pm
Glennon is not a leader. He is not a playmaker. He is a safe game manager and can his team not lose but he’s not going to help them win. He is not a guy who comes off the bench and leads the team down the field in the final two minutes to win a game. That is his body of work in the NFL. Certainly a good enough QB to backup a starter, but he’s not a starter. And yes, he had a chance as a starter and contributed to Schiano’s awaful second season. Five years, $25M, $15M guaranteed. That’s a huge raise over what he makes now, and better than most backups. He’s not going to be poor on that kind of change.