“That’s Really Not How They Want To Operate”
January 8th, 2017
Bold take on the Bucs’ offseason mindset.
Joe is rather baffled by those who think the Bucs did not dive big-time into free agency last offseason.
What are these folks thinking?
In 2016, Jason Licht dropped huge money into Robert Ayers, J.R. Sweezy and Brent Grimes, established starters who hauled in more than $25 million combined last season.
Isn’t that going big in free agency? Joe thinks so. Not every team can claim that kind of investment. Plus, they dropped a few million on 34-year old linebacker Daryl Smith. The goal was to purchase four starters.
But longtime Bucs beat writer Roy Cummings doesn’t see Tampa Bay as a major free agency player on the open market when the free agency dinner bell rings March 9, as he said last week on ESPN Radio Fort Myers.
“This is a team that I think is going to, in free agency, I wouldn’t look for them to make a big splash in terms of big name guys that are on other teams. That’s not really how they want to operate,” Cummings said.
“But there are some guys on their own team that they really feel that they have to have back. Will Gholston is one of those. Bradley McDougald is another. And I honestly think that Vincent Jackson is an important guy to bring back.”
Joe’s dialed in to Cummings saying, “that’s not really how they want to operate.” Joe is not buying it.
The Bucs have been spending since Team Glazer made it rain for Vincent Jackson, Carl Nicks and Eric Wright in 2012. Then they unloaded the vault for Darrelle Revis and Dashon Goldson in 2013, before breaking the bank for a miserable and large crop of free agents in 2014.
Entering the 2017 offseason, the Bucs have a mountain of salary cap room and a 9-7 team with key players deep into their primes. They need to sign more expensive free agents to get over the top now.
Team Glazer knows sitting on the company wallet during the 2011 offseason helped flush the excitement of a 10-6 season in 2010 down the toilet. They should have learned a lesson, and they appeared to. Imagine if that 2011 team had signed leadership-type veterans like Grimes and Ayers and Smith?
Cummings added that if Jackson and the Bucs can mutually lower expectations for his performance and salary, then he should be a priority if healthy.
Joe will buy that, but very, very few wealthy old players like V-Jax, who earned $50 million+ over the past five years, will hang on to play for a paltry salary. And Jackson wasn’t not good when healthy last season. Joe would prefer the Bucs move on.
Just two months to go, folks!
January 8th, 2017 at 11:45 am
Ole Roy Boy must be hanging with the druggernaught and losing his short term memory…HEY ROY, The Glazer boys sat on their $$ with the most cap space available just a few years ago..Raheem Morris ring a bell?? How’d that work out for the team and fans alike. Let us fans get one inkling that the Glazer boys are thinking about going cheap again and remember all those Ray Jay seats that weren’t glaringly empty this year?? Yeah Those.
January 8th, 2017 at 11:45 am
Jackson must owe Roy money. What a joke
January 8th, 2017 at 11:47 am
“And I honestly think that Vincent Jackson is an important guy to bring back.”
Ha, good one Roy. You can basically throw that dudes open away with yesterdays garbage.
Hopefully Koetter telling him to shut it was the start of a new trend at Coach K’s pressers.
January 8th, 2017 at 11:48 am
*opinion* freakin auto correct…
January 8th, 2017 at 11:50 am
No to VJax
Sign Josh Huff for the low
Sign Pryor, and now you have a solid 3 headed MONSTER for Winston to look for
I know I’ll get knocked for wanting those two players but I think a Leader like Lord Winston, Capt Dirk, Monken the WR whisperer they be well coached and guided. Oh and who wouldn’t want to play with Mike GODZILLA Evans
January 8th, 2017 at 11:55 am
That number is what the “got” in free agency and now what they “chased”!!!!
And you have to take into account if the ownership feels “close” and now are ready to go for it!!!!!
Go Bucs!!!!!!!!!!
January 8th, 2017 at 11:59 am
Your talking adding two WRs with elite speed, ain’t no overthrowing them two
Gordon
Pryor
Eric Berry
Poe
Latavius Murray
I’ll like to see us sign some it not all
January 8th, 2017 at 12:02 pm
Move VJ to a pass catching TE like Jimmy Graham. Also Larry Fitzgerald rarely plays the outside anymore.. hopefully we can get creative with VJ.
January 8th, 2017 at 12:03 pm
I read the part that said “Vjax is an important guy to bring back” and actually scrolled to the top of the article to see what date was written at the top lol
January 8th, 2017 at 12:11 pm
We get rid of Vjax, Druggie, Evan Smith, Verner, Myers, and George Johnson, Then the Bucs have 90+ mil in cap space. We can sign whoever we want at a reasonable price and transform our Roster. And still have enough money left over for Mike/Jameis/Kwons big future contracts.
Future so damn bright I might just get some Ray Bans.
January 8th, 2017 at 12:18 pm
Not buying it either………
SELL! SELL! SELL!
January 8th, 2017 at 12:20 pm
I’ll say it again find someway to get nuke Hopkins down here I’m telling y’all him & Jameis have chemistry sign big mike to a nice contract get Eric berry down here okay those are ur big 3 after that get armstead from the saints let go of dot & gots there both garbage get Adrain petrerson on a one year deal get another LB with the 1st round pick ( don’t know how long Da smith got) get a RB in the second round this draft is stacked with running backs if we do that guys we are set
January 8th, 2017 at 12:22 pm
Would Love Deondre Hopkins but I don’t think he’s a free agent this year is he?
January 8th, 2017 at 12:25 pm
@blake_bucfan I thought the same before I posted that but I read that all he did was sign a franchise tag now think if you were nuke do u wanna play with Brock or Jameis
January 8th, 2017 at 12:27 pm
I agree the Buccaneers need to move on from Vincent Jackson ,though it will be strange not having him here. It’s not that his skills are not worth the money, it’s that he is injured so much that the team does not get their money’s worth.
I can sort of see Roy’s point…but the problem with these media guys is that it’s always to the extreme one was or another.
I also see J0E’s point.
I personally think it will be somewhere in-between. I can see them bringing in 1, maybe 2 big names, and then going middle ground on the rest.
What I would like to see is a big DLine guy and a speedy, good catching WR, and neither above age 29 and very little injury history.
January 8th, 2017 at 12:28 pm
Sorry I’m wrong he is but this is his final year & he is going to want to get paid
January 8th, 2017 at 12:28 pm
How did those 5 big signings work out for the money the Glazers gave out? EWright, Nicks,VJ, Hawk, &Revis. Terrible return on them all for the money they spent. Myers is retiring,Verner is out, George doesn’t want to play here anymore & Hawley isn’t worth the headache of his constant health issues. The Glazer Family will be hesitant again to spend. Need to sprinkle in a few lower priced signings but don’t try to sign the big headliner type of contract. How’s Sweezys deal looking right about now? Zero return so far on it
January 8th, 2017 at 12:30 pm
As to Doug Martin…I say keep him. If Licht can fix the offensive line and get that WR, the running game will naturally get better. And Doug could end up being a big success story.
If Licht can get him to redo his deal, even better, but it is not a must, since they can cut him anytime.
January 8th, 2017 at 12:32 pm
Blake_bucsfan Says
“We get rid of Vjax, Druggie, Evan Smith, Verner, Myers, and George Johnson, Then the Bucs have 90+ mil in cap space.”
I see all but Doug going. He might go too, but I think that is up in the air. The team has the option of keeping him. Since is salary is no longer guaranteed, they can release him whenever they like.
January 8th, 2017 at 12:35 pm
Hopkins is a wr1 and he will want to be paid as such. No thanks. Pryor is the perfect combination with ME13.
January 8th, 2017 at 12:35 pm
Why is my previous comment awaiting moderation?
January 8th, 2017 at 12:51 pm
Vjax has hands just lost his speed , I could see him in a 3rd down role like we had Ike Hilliard at one time . . . 3rd and Ike , 3rd and Jax
January 8th, 2017 at 12:55 pm
@Sunny that would be all fine and good if he wasn’t the victim of 2 lower body injuries that ended his season 2 years in a row. Vincent Jackson has had a really good career and made a lot of dough, it’s time now for him to move on.
January 8th, 2017 at 12:56 pm
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January 8th, 2017 at 12:56 pm
When Spandau Ballet-loving ex-GM Mark Dominik signed VJax to a contract worth $55,555,555, it was all about #5. Now, it’s about #3, so Winston’s input on bringing him back might be important. VJax is an asset to the community, and I would like to see him back. At the same time, the Bucs will need to develop a new receiver that may be drafted in the first round. Joe raises a good point about VJax possibly feeling slighted by a “paltry salary”, but will he also be okay with being relegated to a reduced role? Bringing VJax back should not get in the way of developing a new receiver. Can he still be an asset on the football field? Can he help the team win? The coaches/GM will determine that soon.
January 8th, 2017 at 1:02 pm
Why waste money on these old guys, who stay injured all of the time. We still need to extend Mike Evans, Kevin Pamphile, Charles Sims before the season start. And Will Gholston, Akeem Spence, Russell Shepard, Bradley McDougald, Chris Conte, Jacquizz Rodgers, Josh Robinson and more are Free Agents. Jameis Winston and Kwon Alexander will need an extension before the 2018 season. We should sign some young free agents.
January 8th, 2017 at 1:09 pm
Must be nice to get paid to write such idiotic thoughts.
January 8th, 2017 at 1:12 pm
Generally we have a difference of opinion but occasionally there is an actual factual debate.
Joe is right and Roy is wrong. Again…Buc history is not that complicated.
The Glazers had the chance to enrich their entire extended family FOREVER. Who would not take the chance? So they leveraged their empire including the Bucs and that was the time when they spent no money and opted for the cheapest coaches.
That has CLEARLY changed now that ManU is in the black. It’s as simple as that.
As for VJAX there is one way I could see him coming back. First he obviously takes far less money…but VJAX may be the kind of guy who sees coaching in his future. If that’s the case he’s in the catbird seat. Just negotiate a deal where he becomes Moncken’s assistant and VJAX gets to learn to coach under a talented group of coaches.
In return he would keep himself in shape, practice and operate like a player/coach with the emphasis on coach and if we reach emergency levels like last year he comes back in a real pinch. Otherwise I gotta pass even though I love VJAX.
January 8th, 2017 at 1:25 pm
@blake in a limited role , and small salary it will be worth it , just think would u want to throw it to huff , dye etc etc or jax , limited role will reduced injury risk , his leadership is needed and he will make our draft pick much better as well , regardless of how he produces def will plan for him Evans and rookie draft pick , def will hve to game plan for each
January 8th, 2017 at 1:30 pm
I love watching people panic… I also love the lack of loyalty displayed by some… Is Vjax well past his prime? Yes.. Do we need to add speed opposite Evans? Yes.. But me personally I would love to see Vjax retire as a buc. If he is healthy I think we should resign him, he will be a tremendous value type player on major 3rd down situations at the very least..
I have seen estimates as high as 78 million in cap space we have plenty of money to sign just about anyone and then some. If Licht brings back Vjax, goes out in FA for another and drafts a guy I would be very happy.
I don’t understand people that are always saying cut someone…. I am tired of seeing the likes of Talib, Blount, Penn, Bennet, Revis, Zuttah and so one walk right out the door because of our piss poor decision making. With 78 million in cap space we have little excuse as to why we are cutting talent off of our squad. If we cut Doug Martin he will go to a Patriots type of team like Blount did and turn into yet another fallen buc star…
January 8th, 2017 at 1:37 pm
I can’t see the Bucs carrying more than 6 WR’s and normally the 4th, 5th and 6th WR plays some special teams and I don’t see VJax doing that. I’d rather see them bring in another #2 in FA and draft a young guy to eventually take over that role. I don’t see VJax fitting in with that idea because the rookie would be the #3 WR and he would be battling with Humphries for the #4 WR role.
January 8th, 2017 at 1:42 pm
@Doolnutts Lol I’m almost positive that Vincent Retires this year anyway. And the Difference between all those players you mentioned and vjax is that they weren’t 33 years old coming off of the worst seasons of their careers. It’s time to move on.
January 8th, 2017 at 1:44 pm
And Doug Martin is a Drug addict that squandered away a great deal of his potential and Only trys hard when his job is on the Line. As soon as he got paid his dedication faltered. That’s why I say we don’t need him around any longer. Its a deep draft at running back believe it or not. Lots of talent to be had in Rounds 2-5.
January 8th, 2017 at 1:48 pm
@Sunny I don’t want any of those Bums to be on the roster next season so your argument is invalid.
January 8th, 2017 at 1:49 pm
This is a common problem with aging veterans , when to let them go , look at smith and the panthers , they could have used him the last couple years , and would have made a difference in the last year super bowl for them , what a a lot of people miss is the challenges it creates for defenses , they still have to game plan for them , because you don’t know when the explosive game will come , they have shown the ability prior
January 8th, 2017 at 1:51 pm
@blake we are not going to sign or draft 4-5 wr that will
make the team so that is the reality , this is not madden where u can put ur dream team together
January 8th, 2017 at 1:54 pm
@Sunny Thats why the Billecheat philosophy is best, Let ’em go when their age comes into question. Even if they go somewhere else and do decently well for 1-2 years, its better than keeping them around, and having it turn out that you wasted cap space and a roster spot when you could have used it on someone else.
January 8th, 2017 at 1:58 pm
@Sunny you are in no position to say definitively what will or won’t happen. There are quite a few FA Wr’s that could come in and not only make the roster, but produce in a hurry. Alshon Jeffery(don’t really want him but wouldn’t be mad if they signed him), Terrell Pryor(My most desired target), Pierre Garcon(Budget Option), Desean Jackson(much needed speed), Andre Holmes(One of Derrick Carr’s favorites). And A butt load of talent Draft prospects. Heck the Cfl dude will probably make the team over Huff, DD, Reedy and Martino.
January 8th, 2017 at 2:00 pm
If they felt they had to have McDougald then he would have got more than one year deal last year. Everyone agrees the safety position is in need of an upgrade so how would bringing him back help upgrade. Classic example of guessing. It’s like the media can’t tell the difference between covering the team and speaking for the team.
January 8th, 2017 at 2:02 pm
Why not bring back Louis Murphy, Donteea Dye, Cecil Shorts, Josh Huff, Freddie Martino too?
January 8th, 2017 at 2:03 pm
This statement was about as odd and Scott Reynolds saying the Bucs will sit pat on the OL because they “Like” the OL.
January 8th, 2017 at 2:04 pm
@LakeLandBuc Because they are all practice squad level receivers and we have the resources to get Players better than they are.
January 8th, 2017 at 2:09 pm
@ ok Murphy and shorts arent Practice squad players but they’re both injury prone.
January 8th, 2017 at 2:32 pm
Blake, VJAX has been injury prone the past 2 seasons, why should next season be different?
January 8th, 2017 at 2:39 pm
@Lakelandbuc are you confused or just Trolling? I’ve said multiple times in this thread that I want us to move on from Vjax.
January 8th, 2017 at 2:47 pm
@blake bill b bring in aging players all the time and makes them great like a randy moss , it’s the system and Brady , Alston is injury prone as well on the decline , Pryor IF he hits the market will be expensive as hell , yes we have the space now , but what will ME want than , I like DJ , although we have cap space we also need to plan the future and giving big contracts out I.E. ME, JW , LVD, KA , that will take a lot of space as well , my point vjax knows the system and has great leadership , in a limited role I would take him back , rather than an unknown who could be a flop on the field/ or a locker room cancer / or doesn’t play hard after getting paid fat Albert comes to mind
January 8th, 2017 at 2:48 pm
@Lakeland if he comes back it would be in a limited role , less time on the field makes less chance for injuries , and role would change
January 8th, 2017 at 2:54 pm
@Sunny, It won’t take up 90 million in cap space dude. And I’m not saying sign each and every one of those guys. Just saying we have plenty of options outside of a 33 year old injury prone Wideout.
January 8th, 2017 at 3:00 pm
@Sunny we also just signed Lavonte to like a 4 year deal.
January 8th, 2017 at 3:02 pm
The problem FA is your bringing in veterans that are going to be in same place most like after 2-3 years , drafting is the best way but that also requires someone there to lead them along the way , and although 90 million won’t be gone there , every year we will have signs coming up to resign and take more cap away , or we will let our good players go i.e. Talib , Blount , penn , Bennett . . . Too many more to name any of them would have helped our team this year if we had them
January 8th, 2017 at 3:03 pm
@blake ok , we still have pently to sign and more to come every draft , more than half of our cap will go once that time comes
January 8th, 2017 at 3:08 pm
one of the reasons for our large cap space is horrible drafting , if we keep hitting , eventually cap will be a problem not saying now but in a few years it could be if we keep drafting good and bringing in good FA
January 8th, 2017 at 3:08 pm
Mike Evan is the Bucs New 6’5 Leading receiver. Vincent Jackson, though his service over the years is appreciated, and its a shame he couldnt have accomplished more here… is no Longer necessary. We already have 3 Possession type targets In Evans, Brate, and Humphries. Now we Need some Speed and Dynamic Playmaking ability. Neither of which are offered by Jackson.
January 8th, 2017 at 3:12 pm
Yes we need speed and drafting a WR will get that , than you need a good number 3 and slot , hump can be that 3 , brate is a good TE , we can again use vjax on 3rd , problem with that special teams , but we can work around that as well , he still has good hands , and don’t need speed or playmaking ability for that
January 8th, 2017 at 3:12 pm
@Sunny, It’s a result of the previous regime. And the release of a bunch of expensive contracts 3 years ago at the start of Lovies time in tampa. And consequently, The release of a couple expensive free agents that were smartly only given 2 years of guaranteed money. Throw in the fact that none of Lichts draft picks are off of their rookie deals. Thus, the enormous cap space.
January 8th, 2017 at 3:14 pm
@Nope, no reason to Keep Jackson when there are at least 5 other options to be had that have much more upside/potential. If we try and bank on Jackson again, we will just be let down by another lackluster season that ends with him getting injured. Again.
January 8th, 2017 at 3:15 pm
Could have done more ??? The first three years he did 1384 , 1224 , 1002 , how quickly peoeple forget ,
January 8th, 2017 at 3:17 pm
Again I ask then if we talking about speed
How would Josh Gordon lining up op. GODZILLA
January 8th, 2017 at 3:17 pm
upside/potential is different than proven
January 8th, 2017 at 3:19 pm
So u think martino, dye ,shorts , Murphy are going to be better than vjax ? I will take him any day over those guys
January 8th, 2017 at 3:22 pm
When Did i say could have done more, And I’m talking about the last 2 season’s where he didn’t break 1000 yards receiving and ended the season with an injury.
And Terrell Pryor Had 1000 yards receiving for the sorry af browns, catching passes from a string of nobodies. In his first year playing as a starting receiver no less. And did I mention that he stands at damn near 6’5, weighs in at 220 and runs a 4.39?
I’d take Pryror over the current version of Vjax dude. Sorry.
January 8th, 2017 at 3:22 pm
I want all those losers gone in addition to old man Jackson btw.
January 8th, 2017 at 3:24 pm
And Josh Gordon would be awesome if he could actually stay on the field and not get busted for smoking pot every year…
January 8th, 2017 at 3:32 pm
Pryor won’t hit the market and if he doesn’t again will be big money , Gordon is one failed test away from sitting at home for the season again , when u get 5 guys better than jax than I say let him go , but I don’t see that happening btw you comment said Shame he wouldn’t accomplish more in his time here , last year in 10 games had something like 550 years and 16.5 avg per catch , could have crossed 1,000 if he wasn’t injuried , yes this year he started slow , but he could have been playing injured , remember he didn’t get hurt in a game this season . . . Again if sign / draft 5 receiver better than him ok let him go , if not we don’t need more singers from hotels
January 8th, 2017 at 3:34 pm
I meant in terms of wins and losses dude. As in he was a good player on some bad teams.
January 8th, 2017 at 3:34 pm
I don’t see us drafting or signing 3-4 FA better than jax , basically we have hump and Evans , rest we need to replace , and until we have that I would bring back vjax
January 8th, 2017 at 3:34 pm
Before father time caught up with him.
January 8th, 2017 at 3:37 pm
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/wide-receiver/
Take your pick.
And possibly add in Corey Davis, or O.J. Howard at tight end.
Bam! 3-4 Wr’s better than the current version of Vincent Jackson that can’t stay healthy.
January 8th, 2017 at 3:45 pm
How long u been watching the Bucs , this isnt madden again , they are not about to sign 3-4 FA , that too big name , that’s not how the Bucs roll and if they do eventually u will have cap problems , go sign your dream team on madden and get real
January 8th, 2017 at 4:02 pm
Blake
I’m with you and MikeEvanGOAT. I’m intrigued by Terrelle Pryor.
Imagine ME on one side and another Mike Evans with blazing speed on the other?
My son lives in Columbus and in addition to being OSU he’s a huge fan of the Brownies.
I asked about Pryor’s head. He said he wasn’t certain because anybody would be peoed about the losing and moronic decisions in Cleveland.
Here’s the thing…my son pointed out that Pryor was the Browns only target and that contributed to the 1,000 yards…but he conceded the Browns suck with horrible QB’s and so 1,000 yards is an achievement.
Here is the deal…Pryor is still a baby with more upside at WR. My son said his greatest flaw was running poor routes. Moncken and experience could fix that.
If we added Pryor that frees us to draft other positions or a WR much lower.
How do we get him? That’s the problem. Perhaps a trade?
January 8th, 2017 at 4:06 pm
Pryor would be nice , but would be expensive , even than I doubt he will hit the open market
January 8th, 2017 at 4:15 pm
@Stpete He’s an unrestricted free agent dude. We just gotta go out and get him.
January 8th, 2017 at 4:21 pm
And sunny, this is a new era. We just went 9-7 and I can’t think of a wide receiver that wouldnt want to come play with Jameis and Mike.
January 8th, 2017 at 4:23 pm
He won’t be that expensive. It’s not like he us an experienced wr. As of now he is a 1 year wonder with the athletic ability of a GOD. He will be given a wr#2 contract. Think along the lines of a Micheal Crabtree contract. 4 years 35 mil. That’s less than 9 mil a year. And that may be a little higher than what he actually gets. Prolly 4 years 25-30 mil.
January 8th, 2017 at 4:25 pm
Blake , u don’t think Pryor wants a big contract ? Ur crazy , or u think he is gonna come half price to play with jw and me?? Also he isn’t proven for a big money deal yet , but I am with u if we can get him cheap , which ain’t gonna happen , and as soon as that ink drys , watch ME want a new deal , just put yourself in ME shoes u can’t blame him if u bring Pryor on say 10 mill a yr and ME is better getting 1/5
January 8th, 2017 at 4:32 pm
We have the money to give him 11,111,111 a year. Thats what we paid vjax for 5 games and 200 yards this year. And if he continues on his arc of development, Pryor could turn into an A.j green type of receiver dude. His potential is that great.
January 8th, 2017 at 4:32 pm
Blake
I was unaware thanks for that info. If he’s an unrestricted FA and all we have to do is lure him here with money and sunshine and no taxes and the promise of playing with one of the top young QB’s in the league with another WR opposite him…
Wow if you’re Pryor you’d have to LOVE the Bucs.
And as someone said if we paid VJAX as those huge dollars the ONLY issue would be Pryor’s head. If DK and #3 can keep on the same page it would be awesome. Two 6-5 230lB athletic receivers with one of them having amazing speed that is unusual in his large frame.
January 8th, 2017 at 4:33 pm
I think we can all agree that we need speed, if just like to see it addressed in FA, with proven speed in the big game not some draft prospect who has to learn the speed of the game. Winston needs proven exp WRs IMO
January 8th, 2017 at 4:39 pm
Sunny, we have signed 3-4 FA’s since Licht has been here. The Patriot way is to be better off cutting a player a year too early than a year to late. Jackson is gone unless a hefty paycut, just like Martin.
January 8th, 2017 at 6:00 pm
Dewey we have signed along different position , we are not going to sign 3-4 WR that are big names, I am not the singer
Blake that’s my point he wants big money , it will have to be atleast 50-60 mill 4-5 yrs , and we don’t know if he will be worth it , he is just a one year wonder , would rather draft speed and sign a DJ , garçon , resign vjax
ME
DJ / garçon
Draft pick
Hump
Vjax
That a good 5 WR group
January 8th, 2017 at 6:01 pm
** I am not counting the singers
January 8th, 2017 at 6:03 pm
Vjax at 2 yrs 10-12 mill is worth it , but I doubt it can happen
January 8th, 2017 at 6:05 pm
Sunny
What in the world makes u think ANYONE will give him 50-60 million? Ur crazy if u think that. He has played wr for 1 year. And he is not a wr#1, 50-60 mil is wr#1 kind of $. He will get wr#2 $ such as Crabtree of Oak. And VJAX more than likely isn’t coming back.
January 8th, 2017 at 6:08 pm
You’re wrong sunny. Simple as that.
January 8th, 2017 at 6:08 pm
Well they aren’t going to sign the biggest splash name most likely… and that’s good.
I think they will sign another DB, another O & D lineman, and a WR.
I think they will draft another DB and WR as well. Probably lineman and LBs too
January 8th, 2017 at 6:13 pm
@ Dave
U just named basically EVERY position on a football team. Can u make a more broad statement?
January 8th, 2017 at 6:17 pm
Idk Joe
He may have a point. Of the top 99 available FAs we spent the most on #48. Which leads me to believe there were “higher impact/more expensive” players available i.e. Eric Weddle or even Reggie Nelson. Olivia Vernon or Alex Mack.
I love me some Robert Ayers don’t get me wrong I think he’s saying we ain’t spending Eric Berry type money in FA. Licht might be satisfied with “role players” or cheaper players like say from the cfl.
I wonder what it’s gonna take for this town to get serious about winning?
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January 8th, 2017 at 6:19 pm
Im with goat on this one. I think pryor could be had for 8-9 million a year.
In a perfect world, my offensive additions for this offseason would be as follows:
Terrelle Pryor
Cordarelle Patterson (returner)
Corey Davis/ O.J. Howard in the first round
Trade up for D’onta Foreman in the 2nd round
Now that would leave us with a solid group of starting caliber #weapons for Winston
January 8th, 2017 at 6:25 pm
No way Pryor signs for 8 mill , why would he leave WR 1 yo be a 2 , atleast he wants gen mill per year on a 5 yr deal that’s 50 million not hard math
Blake didn’t u just say u would pay him $11,111,111
I am not saying Pryor would be bad just not worth the money , and this conversation was about bringing vjax back , which as I said at a reduced price and role is worth it
I know most fans want to be in dreamland but this is the NFL reality
January 8th, 2017 at 6:26 pm
God I REALLY can’t stand AARON RODGERS. GB has to be about the luckiest franchise in the league.
January 8th, 2017 at 6:28 pm
The tender is Around 15 mill for WR
January 8th, 2017 at 6:28 pm
@ Sunny i said we could afford to. Considering thats how much we payed Jackson this year to do virtually nothing.
And i’ll tell you why he would leave, because he cares about being a winner. People that care about winning dont stay on 1-15 teams.
January 8th, 2017 at 6:29 pm
I’m so unimpressed with the local newsprint media–half of me wonders where they get their positions, and the other wonders why they are still working here in the bay area. Thank God for JoeBucsFan.
January 8th, 2017 at 6:29 pm
A sunny
Ur not living in reality if u think any team in this league will give a 1 year wr 10 mil Per year. And as I previously stated HE IS NOT A #1 WR. Are you Terrell Pryors and VJAX agent or something?
January 8th, 2017 at 6:31 pm
And i’d say you’re the one in a fantasy land, seeing that you think the current player Vincent Jackson is, is worth anything at all. If he plays for anyone next year, he will be out for the year before the half season mark.
Bet.
January 8th, 2017 at 6:38 pm
Browns said they will tag him if they have too which is around $15 mill , why would he sign for less than $10 mill, don’t need to be a agent to think that just have sense
January 8th, 2017 at 6:41 pm
Blake even avgeraging 50 yd per game he is better than the WR we have sans Evans and hump, u really think martino , reedy , shorts and the other garage we have is better
January 8th, 2017 at 6:41 pm
@ sunny
Please link where u saw the browns say they would franchise him. I follow all that kind if stuff and I’ve seen nothing about it. He will sign for less than 10 mil because NOBODY will give him 10 mil. What are u smoking?
January 8th, 2017 at 6:51 pm
You know whats not better than 50 yards per gsme? 0 yards per game. Which is what you will get once Vjax goes down for the year after 5 games.
And if pryor gets tagged, it is what it is. But if he hits the open market i would pay him.
January 8th, 2017 at 6:54 pm
http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20161122/BLOGS06/161129939/terrelle-pryor-will-cash-in-soon-but-will-it-be-with-browns
$10mill worth
look yahoo Robinson , sporttrac and a lot other for estimate worth
Looks like it smoking and I will link tender soon
January 8th, 2017 at 6:58 pm
Blake if u think the Misfits we have r better than a out of his prime vjax u r crazy , with a reduced role , injury risk is reduced as well , I am all for upgrades but until that happens keep him ,the saying is I will tolerate until I can replace u
January 8th, 2017 at 6:59 pm
If he continued on his current trajectory, I’d sign him to a 2 year 20 mil deal.
January 8th, 2017 at 6:59 pm
@sunny
U might want to read that whole article instead of the 1st paragraph where it say he COULD get UP TO. 10 mil. They actually compare the contract he will get with the EXACT player I said he would get paid like. Micheal Crabtree as I mentioned above.
January 8th, 2017 at 7:02 pm
He is a wr 2 NOT a wr1. Notice all of the wr they compared him to are wr2? IF he gets paid that kind of $ it will only be by the browns, and $ is the only incentive to stay on a dumpster fire team.
January 8th, 2017 at 7:03 pm
It’s obvious to me at this point that one of 3 things is happening here. Either you can’t read, you have the recollection skills of a gold fish, or you’re simply just ignoring me to try and keep up your fanboy lobbying for Vjax. Because i’ve stated multiple times that i want to get rid of all the receivers behind hump. And replace them with legit options.
Im gonna bet its the 3rd or 2nd one.
January 8th, 2017 at 7:06 pm
Mike , there are 20 different ones you can read , I don’t care if he is one two or three , he will likely get 10 mill which is what I said ,
January 8th, 2017 at 7:08 pm
Blake I would like 3 new recievers too , but gm don’t sign 3 big name WR in an offseason, and I am not a fanboy of vjax ,rather I said numerous times it if u can find someone better , until than keep him
January 8th, 2017 at 7:10 pm
U still didn’t link where u saw Cleveland said they would franchise him. And I highly doubt that any team other than the browns will give him 10 mil.
January 8th, 2017 at 7:16 pm
They do when you just went 9-7 and you need weapons to get over the hump. Also they dont have to be big name guys. Licht already signed DD’s replacement. Now we need to go out and sign a guy in free agency thats capable of being a number 2 caliber receiver. Sign a returner, and draft a stud prospect. I dont really care about the names. I just want guys that AREN’T injury prone.
January 8th, 2017 at 7:37 pm
Mike it only takes one WR needy team to like him and set his market
January 8th, 2017 at 7:39 pm
Blake so what was wrong with the list I have u
ME
DJ / garçon
Draft pick
Hump
Vjax
Just vjax until we get someone better???
January 8th, 2017 at 7:40 pm
Gave
January 8th, 2017 at 7:46 pm
Vjax is on it.
January 8th, 2017 at 7:46 pm
When we can and will get someone better.
January 8th, 2017 at 7:56 pm
Tom coughlin is an uptight prick. I’ve had the “pleasure” of dealing with this self rightious asshole. He’s overated as a coach who was lucky enough to have a good team playing for him. Not a very nice guy. Nobody in the NFL should hire this dick again.
January 8th, 2017 at 8:07 pm
Terrance Williams is a free agent fairly young (27) 6’2 4.5 speed reliable number 2 in Dallas. He should come fairly reasonable leaving the ability to add speed in the draft John Ross my ideal pick.
WR1-Mike Evans
WR2-Terrance Williams
Slot-John Ross
WR-4-Hump
WR-5-CFL receiver or Huff
Add another pass catching TE big play RB ideal DeOnta Foreman
Offense should be competing for playoffs with added players in positions DE,DT, FS we should be good to go on Defense
January 8th, 2017 at 8:19 pm
Also you didnt add a return specialist like cordarelle patterson to it.
January 8th, 2017 at 8:21 pm
Me and Mike the Goat are also still waiting on you to post proof that Cleveland wants to tag him.
January 8th, 2017 at 8:26 pm
Yeah I actually saw that Cleveland wants to franchise Jamie collins.
January 8th, 2017 at 8:30 pm
@Joe … “Joe is rather baffled by those who think the Bucs did not dive big-time into free agency last offseason.” Me too Joe. Picking up both Ayers & Grimes turned out to be huge. Signing Darryl Smith filled a big LB need and brought us some veteran leadership at that position. JR Sweezy hasn’t worked out obviously, but if he’s close to being healed up he could play a big, much-needed role next year (if not as a starter then as a key backup certainly).
But then look at some of the other FAs that Jason Licht signed. Guys like Jaquizz Rodgers & Antone Smith among others. ‘Course we also signed Martin & Conte as FAs last year, which some like, some don’t. That’s NFL free agency.
Bigger concern for the Bucs though should be 2017. Right now we have 32 players whose contract expired in 2016. That’s a MASSIVE number to deal with. My guess is that at most 12-15 of those will be re-signed (and almost none of those are starters). Even if kept all 7 draft picks, that still leaves quite a few we have to pick up from ‘other sources’ (FA, trades, etc). Bucs have no choice but to be big-time players when free agency kicks off in March. We simply have too many holes to fill … both starters, rotational players and quality backups.
January 8th, 2017 at 8:35 pm
Okay let me be honest I watch a lot of football & I feel like Pryor is fools gold if u don’t believe me look at the stats he smells a little fishy to me but here’s a guy all of u forgot how about Percy Harvin he’s fast I still think he got sum juice left & can be used in the return game he won’t cost much some how get Jeffery away from the bears
January 8th, 2017 at 8:40 pm
I don’t understand why some of these comments are saying that Pryor and Josh Gordon would be the answer to the WR depth problem. Isn’t there a better chance that they cause an actual problem? Doug Martin just got busted and suspended once and the majority of the fan base, including myself, wants him run out of town. So why would signing a receiver who is coming off of his 3rd suspension and who hasn’t played in a year be a good idea? As far as Pryor goes, everyone in the league seems to hate him. Including former teammates of his who came out publicly and said how they hated playing with him and how bad of a teammate he is. We all saw throughout this season how this team came together and played for each other, so why sign a potentially toxic player to that? Are they both talented? Absolutely, but imo I would much rather see a slightly less talented and a lot less expensive pair of receivers signed who will not cause any issues like Garcon and Stills than those two
January 8th, 2017 at 8:40 pm
Or get Patterson & to help out cam brate hear this out Vernon Davis he still dangerous & it will make this team even more tough to beat with brate, Davis ,Percy/Patterson this could not only be the cheap way to get weapons but it makes the very dangerous
January 8th, 2017 at 8:47 pm
Ppl if Pryor was as good as he was believe me the browns would not have the 1 overall pick like I said fools gold
January 8th, 2017 at 8:51 pm
Yeah because 1 good player who his a freakish athlete in his first season as a Wr after converting from Qb cant be on a dumpster fire of a team.
You go after pryor for his pure potential as a gamebreaking athlete. Thats it.
January 8th, 2017 at 8:56 pm
@The bucfan 88 Signing Percy Harvin is a terrible idea. Would he be cheap? Of course, but he retired for a reason a couple years ago. As a guy who is a part of a family of Vikings fans I watched a lot of both Harvin and Patterson. And I can tell you this about Patterson. All he does is return kicks and catch screens because he can’t run routes or reliably catch a football. If he is signed and is expected to be the guy opposite Evans, that might not work out. As far as Vernon Davis goes he is pretty much a faster version of Brate. A good receiver who can’t block. Starting 2 tight ends that can’t block for a team that runs almost 30 times a game is not a good idea.
January 8th, 2017 at 8:57 pm
Bucs had the #1 overall pick with 2-1000 yard WRs Mike Evans and V-JAX. I won’t say Pryor is the answer for the Bucs but he isn’t terrible.
January 8th, 2017 at 8:57 pm
Talk about fool gold? Percy has all the speed and talent in the world, but he won’t play with a HEADACHE? Pecy has sat mire games in the nfl with a headache than he has ever played. NO WAY
January 8th, 2017 at 9:05 pm
@joeypoppems I agree on Patterson, thats why I would only sign him as a return specialist.
January 8th, 2017 at 10:36 pm
I think what the bics did last season was awesome. But they didnt make as big of a splash as some wanted.
Ayers was maybe the 4th or 5th best DE available. With a lot of people wanting Mario williams or Olivier Vernon.
Grimes was looked at as a good aging player, but not a big splash signing.
And sweezy was looked at as a middle of the road G. Good run blocker, but weak at pass blocking. Not a splash either.
The bucs certainly got wet jumping in the pool. But we didnt do a jackknife off the diving board.
I suspect the bucs to make similar waves to what they did last season. That is, not going after the #1 or 2 guy available that are going to be way over paid. But the middle pack guys who are solid contributers and possibly overlooked.
We signed patchwork pieces last season. Guys who can fill in for a couple years until we draft their replacements. I would not be mad about going after that strategy again. No need to overpay for a guy in his prime (a guy who is likely selfish and only playing for money), i’d rather have the wiley old vet who knows the game, knows his role, and loves football. Mario Williams never struck me as a guy who loves football. Ayers, you can very much tell loves football.
January 8th, 2017 at 10:43 pm
As for this years free agent class. I havent seen all of the players that would be available. But guys like pryor or patterson, dont fit in the type of leadership roles that Licht usually looks for in his players. Even from Lichts early drafts he has always wanted to have leaders on his team. If they were a team captain in college that was a huge positive for Licht. Most WRs ars pretty selfish Diva types, but these guys just dont feel like Licht type picks.
January 8th, 2017 at 10:56 pm
Doug Martin might just surprise everyone, I think he has the potential, It may be the drugs really impacted his performance, who says he can’t come out in ’17 and be an electric back. It’s up the in the air right now, but I see the Bucs going for a RB mid draft with a 3rd round or 4th rd guy.
January 8th, 2017 at 11:23 pm
“Building through the draft.”-Jason Licht
We can’t just go out spending like mad. Glazers are gonna be writing some extremely fat checks (Jameis, ME13, Kwon) within the next five years. Noah and VH3 could be possibilities for big money also.
January 8th, 2017 at 11:26 pm
Okay tell me this what has Pryor done before the browns nothing he had plenty of looks Anyone remember derick ward from the gaints we all were high on him think about it lol I’m know I’m not crazy
January 8th, 2017 at 11:58 pm
Pryor basically had no one to throw him the ball and hasn’t been a WR full time since recently in his football life
January 9th, 2017 at 12:51 am
You keep proving my point see that’s what scares me he’s not an established rec yet look Also I did my research he did play in settle with Wilson as a QB & Kansas City before he went to Cleveland so let’s add this up we have a raw wr who will demand a lot of money who had played with two pro bowl QBs and you guys are ready to anoint this man a big spot on our team hmmm 🤔🤔🤔
January 9th, 2017 at 3:26 am
88 – this was Pryor’s first season as a WR. He has been a QB on every other team he was on. He was signed and released and re-signed by the Browns in 2015 and only played in ne game that year as a WR. In 2016 he was named as a starting WR for the Browns.
January 9th, 2017 at 3:51 am
Speaking of something important that should be done this offseason, the Bucs need to get the NFL to change the absurd playoff tie-breakers.
The Bucs were 9-7, Detroit was 9-7. Both teams finished 7-5 in the NFC. Neither team played each other so there was no head to head matchup. The Bucs played the 8th hardest schedule, the Lions played the 25th hardest schedule. The Bucs were 3-3 versus teams in the playoffs, including 2-2 versus the top 4 seeds in the NFL, the Lions were 0-5 versus teams in the playoffs and 0-1 versus the top 4 seeds.
In what world do the Lions get the tie breaker? The Lions get victories amongst common teams played… how is that the tie breaker over SOS? So the Lions barely beat the Rams at home, the Bucs lose at home versus the Rams in week 3 with Winston at the 4 yard line after an hour rain delay and Dirk has yet to learn how timeouts work in the NFL – and that’s the tiebreaker for the season. What a joke. Detroit played a cupcake schedule and didn’t beat anyone, meanwhile the Bucs played a brutal schedule and actually beat really good teams – and Detroit got the tie breaker over that moronic criteria.
The Bucs need to get that changed – there is no way that should be a primary tie-breaker. Not sure SOS should solely be the tie-breaker either as you can’t control who you play, but a combination of SOS and SOV should be there. A fraud like the Lions should not be getting rewarded for losing to every single good team they played.
Also, just so you know – guess what team had the easiest schedule in the NFL… The Tennessee Titans. 32nd in the league.
January 9th, 2017 at 8:54 am
@Rod M: Lions got beat by Seattle Saturday night. Bucs beat Seattle…….hmmmm. Bucs definitely weren’t playoff- ready, but the Lions were? SMH!!
January 9th, 2017 at 8:58 am
@thebucsfan88 when pryor was in Seattle/KC he was still trying to be a QB. Looks like you need to do a lil more research bud.
January 9th, 2017 at 3:56 pm
orlbucfan – huh? My point was there was no reasonable measure by which the Bucs weren’t the better team and should have been in the playoffs over Detroit who didn’t beat anyone this season and had a cupcake schedule.