“There’s More To Everything Than Meets The Eye”
December 29th, 2016
Dirk Koetter was talking this afternoon at One Buc Palace.
But Koetter wasn’t interested in providing details on the Doug Martin saga and its effect on the Bucs.
Koetter advised media they could use their “imagination” and “there’s more to everything than meets the eye.”
Ok, Coach.
Koetter went on to say it is “a positive thing” that Martin was making the effort to give himself a better life and long-term health.
Frankly, Joe thinks the Bucs should be more open about how or if Martin’s situation impacted on-field decisions and/or play. Maybe Joe’s out of line here, but Martin was a team superstar and his image adorns the side of the stadium.
Loads of Bucs fans invested money into Martin jerseys and, for some, that’s money they didn’t have. (Yes, Joe knows a guy who bought a Martin jersey for his kid for Christmas.)
Joe’s confident that there will be more clarity in the coming days.
December 29th, 2016 at 3:39 pm
PEDS+”?”=SUSPENSION…..end of story….move on….we still have a game to play….GO BUCS!!!!
December 29th, 2016 at 3:43 pm
If it’s really Adrenal (?) – they why would Doug go into rehab? My guess is he likes to party with the Devil’s dandruff – if you catch my drift.
December 29th, 2016 at 3:44 pm
this situation will show just how good of a coach dirk is….will he let the team be distracted and lose focus?….or will he rally the team for a common cause?….will be team come out flat?….or will they play with a sense of urgency?….I just want us to end at 9-7….GO BUCS!!!!
December 29th, 2016 at 3:46 pm
“More than meets the eye…”
Is Dirk hinting that Doug Martin is really a Transformer and that he overdid it on too much Energon or something ?
December 29th, 2016 at 3:51 pm
The reason Dirk may not come out and tell us in plain terms is b/c due to medical privacy laws (and possibly even according to the CBA between the NFL and the NFLPA) he may not be ALLOWED TO without also breaking the law.
Remember when that blockhead Schiano was accused of disclosing Freeman’s medical privacy a few years ago ?
December 29th, 2016 at 3:57 pm
What I want to know is will be the Bucs be ready to play all out, leave it on the field..Kamakazzie Football come Sunday? Or will they just be satisfied with 8-8.
9-7 says we had a winning season and will be ready next year.
December 29th, 2016 at 4:03 pm
Agree 100% Mike. Bucs focus needs to be on the Carolina game, and only on the Carolina game. Lots at stake for quite a few players. Doug Martin stopped being news when he got suspended.
December 29th, 2016 at 4:15 pm
Doug Martin, transformer in disguise
December 29th, 2016 at 4:23 pm
I’ve been a big supporter of Martin and his 2.9 YPC until this news came out. He really rodgered the Bucs having the year he has had…hurt Jamies in particular…going from 1300+ yards last season to this. It’s a real shame…
December 29th, 2016 at 4:24 pm
Let’s be clear, Josh Freeman’s reps also used the adderall excuse when he popped hot as well. And if you think Josh Freeman went from Bucs all-time leading passer at 24 to out of the league by 28 because of adderall I have a bridge to sell you. Let’s also note the Freeman and Martin were teammates in 2012 and part of 2013.
At least Doug is willing to face his issues and go to rehab. Though rehab didn’t exactly change Johnny Manziel’s career trajectory.
December 29th, 2016 at 4:25 pm
Give it time to play out. Dirk has managed to do something Lovie and Schiano couldn’t do. Not finish in last place. Great job this year coach.
December 29th, 2016 at 4:33 pm
Let’s revisit this on Monday. Come January 2, we have 8 full months to obsess over off the field stuff.
Purely from a football production standpoint, the eyeball test told me that Koetter started the right player vs New Orleans, even if Doug’s pee was immaculate.
December 29th, 2016 at 4:41 pm
Dalvin Cook in the first. #2 WR and LT in 2nd round and free agency. Safety, more linemen rounds 3-7 and free agency. While rounds 3-7 are very hit and miss, I think if we could hit those first three on this list this team immediately becomes a real contender. Martin had a couple of good seasons but it is time to move on. Get a stud left tackle, move D Smith to RT or guard and that line improves dramatically. That creates a running game, which in turn helps Jameis who can then pick from his numerous options. I truly believe if we hit on those three positions we are a force to be reckoned with.
December 29th, 2016 at 4:44 pm
If all Martin could muster was a 2.9 YPC average while ON The Juice, perhaps it really is time to say goodbye ?
December 29th, 2016 at 4:47 pm
This may just be the begining. When you have a couple of cases like this in recent years with guys who were meant to be the leaders of the team the chances of them doing this behind closed doors and not involving any of their teammates is pretty slim. I would assume by this point the front office has known about it for a while and most likely is probing the rest of the roster and figuring out how deep the rabbit hole goes.
I’m not going to point fingers at any players in particular, but when you have players that have over a course of years have given you consistent stats and then all of the sudden fall of the map in what should be the prime of their careers it should be a red flag.
I hope that if they find more players in Martin’s shoes that they continue the precident that they just set.
December 29th, 2016 at 4:47 pm
I want Cook in the first round, but i don’t think he will be there when we pick. I’m not open for a trade up, if not Cook then D’Onta Foreman in round 2.
December 29th, 2016 at 4:49 pm
Touchdown some seem to not be too concerned with how drastically a superstar RB improves the play of QB. I don’t get it. Coach K said “we need to get better football player to play with Jameis”. He said that not me.. I just happen to agree.
December 29th, 2016 at 4:52 pm
Lakeland if Licht hasn’t shown us all but one thing that’s he’s willing to wheel-and-deal come draft night. That’s his playground bro. Dont be surprised when you see us move up. Youl know what its for.
December 29th, 2016 at 4:58 pm
If they address the WR and LT positions in free agency I am all for moving up to get Cook. He looks to be going somewhere in the 8-15 range so it won’t be terribly expensive to get him (not free either thought). However, I think addressing these 3 positions is the key and we are contenders if we get it right.
December 29th, 2016 at 5:04 pm
I keep using the Atlanta for Julio example. But I’m curios does anyone recall where Buffalo was before they move to 6th spot to get Sammy Watkins. I never heard what they gave up for that move.
December 29th, 2016 at 5:06 pm
I remember when Devonta Freeman, Dalvin Cook and Joseph Yearby was at Miami Central High. One of the best high school backfield ever. It was Freeman who convinced Cook to change his commitment from Florida to Florida State. But Devonta Freeman was a Senior while Cook and Yearby was Freshmen.
December 29th, 2016 at 5:14 pm
The problem Sunday has little to do with Martin and everything to do with losing Brate and Sims. Jameis was down to a very few options…..now he’s down to one.
My perspective on Martin is that the true problem is greater than just PEDs……how can a person jeopardize $7 million dollars or more when he knows he’s going to get caught. I thought Doug Martin was smarter than that…..obviously, I was wrong. He may be just another player too stupid to play for us….like Wright, Freeman and ASJ.
December 29th, 2016 at 5:14 pm
Thank God for Freeman. We would’ve had serious issues had he went to UF.
December 29th, 2016 at 5:26 pm
TBbucfan a man thanks for post like that last one bro. Sorta supports my argument we need to get some weapons in the building. Fameis can’t win this,week especially if we come up short. They won’t point out just about all his weaponry is gone. They’ll say dumb s@$! He leads the nfc in ints. I’ll sit back an wonder to myself “I wonder why”.
December 29th, 2016 at 5:36 pm
What do you expect him to say Joe? A guy we counted on made a poor decision and got caught. Everything else is just noise and lets settle down with the poor children out there that have a jersey…….he didnt beat anyone. He didnt get a DUI and endanger anyone. He took a PED…and if we can be believed…..Adderal.
I think the bigger story here is the fact the NFL owned NFL Network got leaks about a player’s status in CLEAR violation of the CBA.
There is no ambiguity here. There is some stuff the employer is not allowed to discuss.
Koetter is free to discuss how/when/if Doug Martin’s issues became a concern on the football field and/or practice field. He doesn’t have to mention any details about Martin’s specific condition. Joe’s talking about the football here.–Joe
December 29th, 2016 at 5:52 pm
As far as this game Sunday if I had the power I would cancel it. Think its kinda dangerous to ask those left standing to go out on that playing with as short handed we are on the offensive side of the ball. I’m praying more for a healthy completion of the game than I am a victory. I hope ME loafs all game long to protect himself. And don’t care how any of you feel about it.
December 29th, 2016 at 5:58 pm
One has to wonder IF Doug knew he would lose the 7 million if he got caught using the PED’s or not ?
Maybe he thought the money was Guaranteed, no matter what ?
December 29th, 2016 at 6:04 pm
Hey Joes: keeping things hopping keeps the clicks $$$ coming. This is the 21st century. DK is concentrating on his Job: putting together a game plan so Bucs will win on Sunday. If I was 20 years younger, I would be there!!!!!! Will be listening on Bucs Radio. RayJay better be sold out. Bucs owe us fans. Go Mighty Bucs 1.1.2017!!
December 29th, 2016 at 6:24 pm
Still got my Dougernaught jersey…
Anyone want it? Starting bid. 10 bucks.
December 29th, 2016 at 6:28 pm
NOS…but, but I bought my wife tickets to the game for X-mas.
They better put in an effort. I’ll take 9 wins and let the chips fall.
9 wins is a big fuking deal to me. No matter what time of the season.
Playoffs are colossal to me, no there yet, so give me the 9, draft pick be damned.
December 29th, 2016 at 6:30 pm
It’s a shame when guys like Chris and Sam believe these lies from agents about Adderall and PEDs vs whatever he was really taking that is forcing him to go to rehab. As long as those guys are out there players and agents will keep lying about what drugs they were really taking. Not that it is really important but it would be nice if they felt they could not try to BS there way out of these situations. Some players could be in real trouble and it would be nice to know if we should be rooting them to conquer these demons. When they start the spin I just want to move on from these guys and all of their lies.
December 29th, 2016 at 6:32 pm
Dang it…my post is just not going through…
December 29th, 2016 at 6:32 pm
Tom S. Says
“Let’s be clear, Josh Freeman’s reps also used the adderall excuse when he popped hot as well.”
The Josh Freeman situation was 100% different than this. Josh was treated for a mental illness, and his private doctor screwed up his meds, caused him to get suspended, and then took forever to get the meds right again. He never really recovered as a result.
Doug Martin has no mental illness so far as I know. He also isn’t known for a wild life, even though many here are suddenly claiming he is just because of this situation. Nothing but Gossip.
December 29th, 2016 at 6:34 pm
Here’s the situation as I theorize. Doug Martin was in a contract year last year, and he used Peds and Pain killers to make it through a full season, creating the illusion that he could stay healthy. He was lucky to not get tested and caught last year.
I believe he started this year off the stuff, but when the injury occurred he got back on the pain meds, if that’s what it was. During the recovery, he became addicted.
December 29th, 2016 at 6:35 pm
The Bucs are not required to be open about anything that happens internally and is not already public knowledge.
When it comes to players personal lives – they are right to safe guard the personal privacy that we all would want if if any of us were to find ourselves in a similar situation.
Hell – the general fans and supporters of this team STILL don’t know for sure what actually happened to Josh Freeman and how his “issues” may have impacted what happened on the field. And that was 4 years ago now that the Freewee meltdown was in full swing.
I think Koetter is handling this correctly and yes Joe – I think you ARE a bit out of line in seemingly demanding the right to be informed of details that the coach is not now and may never be willing to talk about regarding this Doug Martin situation.
Doug is surely not in anyway OK with how he got himself to this point and is probably way more disappointed in himself for allowing an addiction to get a hold of him and jeopardize his career – than any of us could ever be disappointed or mad at him for doing it.
It doesn’t really matter if the addiction is to Adderrol or alcohol or coke or oxys or whatever….
The important thing is that Doug is fully admitting his addiction to those that need to know the details and has realized that he can’t beat this himself. He needs help and is reaching out for it. That takes courage and we should all be respectful of this situation and supportive of Doug in his efforts to get away from whatever chemical he is addicted to.
That’s what coach and the team are doing and its what the fans and media need to be doing as well.
December 29th, 2016 at 6:36 pm
@TouchDownTampaBay
Legally, they cannot release the true information without the client’s approval. PEDs are better than pain killers though.
December 29th, 2016 at 6:38 pm
@Pickgrin
I don’t believe we will ever see a member of the media say they have enough information. They always want more. Regardless of the cost to those involved.
December 29th, 2016 at 7:04 pm
Of course not Bonzai and that is why they all lie and say Adderal
December 29th, 2016 at 7:27 pm
There’s 192 Banned Performance Enhancing Drugs ( PED) in the NFL. We will never know which ones he was using. And I for one won’t be going crazy trying to figure it out.
December 29th, 2016 at 7:32 pm
Correction..The World’s Anti-Doping Agency lists 192 banned PED. The NFL don’t adopt this policy for all of them but most of them.
December 29th, 2016 at 7:53 pm
Yeah id sure like to trade my martin jersey in now. Man Im bad at picking players kerseys to buy
December 29th, 2016 at 8:05 pm
If Cook and Fournette are off the board when the Bucs pick I could see them trading down twice in the first round to pick up two additional 3rd round picks, taking John Ross at the end of the 1st round, using their 2nd rounder on a C like Efflein or Pocsic (sp?), trading (2) of their (3) 3rd round picks to move back up into the 2nd round to nab either Christian MacCaffery or D’Onta Foreman and then using their remaining 3rd rounder on TE Jake Butt … if I was a Bucs fan I’d be thrilled with a foursome of:
Ross / Mac or Foreman / Efflein or Pocsic / Jake Butt
December 29th, 2016 at 8:13 pm
ITS NOT PEDS! Jesus!
December 29th, 2016 at 8:22 pm
This situation harkens me back to that 6-win with 6-loses and KWON got popped for a 4-game suspension and the BUCS went on to a 6-win with 10 loses, yes that year so long ago that got LOVIE fired, now we were 8-wins with 5-loses and the play-off future squarely in our hands, if we end up with an 8-win with 8-loses record, I will not see improvement over last year’s TEAM!
December 29th, 2016 at 8:36 pm
lol touché joe touche
December 29th, 2016 at 8:46 pm
BigHogHaynes … um, if you don’t view 8-8 as an improvement on 6-10, I don’t know what to say … strange.
December 29th, 2016 at 9:08 pm
The Commenters on this blog are bias against certain players. There was no hate directed at Kwon or Jude when they was suspended for 4 games. Now it happen to Doug Martin and he’s everything in the book except a Child of God.
December 29th, 2016 at 9:19 pm
Again.
Drug Martin’s lack of effort, and lack of commitment, has cost the Team wins.
Its time to move on
Drug Martin must go
And I get credit for the name”Drug Martin”
December 29th, 2016 at 9:29 pm
Capt Tim….Prolly the longest tenured commenter here. Kudos for the “Drug Martin” however I think it is a tinsy tiny bit insensitive or at least Too Soon lol
December 29th, 2016 at 9:39 pm
Martin has proven he’s not reliable regardless of the latest. Bucs now have a chance to correct a major mistake of his contract and move on. This season started with the ASJ fiasco and ends with this saga. Licht need to improve his evaluation skills.
December 29th, 2016 at 10:26 pm
Well in all fairness Lakeland Kwan was only cheating and then lied about it with the whole energy drink BS. I for one was not happy at all about but yes many posters seemed to think nothing about it. Martin’s issue seems much bigger though as he is now going into rehab. Also, rather than using PEDs he was on some kind of drug that probably impacted and hurt his play week in and week out. If you have a drug problem that needs treatment this would indicate this has been an issue for a while and most likely the entire season.
December 29th, 2016 at 11:02 pm
Well I have to apologize I was probably wrong and he was most likely popped for violating the PED policy. I was unaware until tonight that both cocaine and amphetamines are listed as PEDs. So most likely it was one of these addictive drugs that is primarily used for recreation vs performance enhancing.
adrafinil
adrenaline
amfepramone
amiphenazole
amphetamine
amphetaminil
benzphetamine
benzylpiperazine
bromantan
cathine
clobenzorex
cocaine
cropropamide
crotetamide
cyclazodone
dimethylamphetamine
ephedrine
etamivan
etilamphetamine
etilefrine
December 29th, 2016 at 11:17 pm
Hitting the 9 win mark is just as important (rare) as the all illusive 10+ sacker.
Sigh, this would be a huge game. According to “BigHogHaynes”, “we need to win one more game to be better than last year’s team”.
Win on Sunday and rookie Dirk Koetter won 9 of 16, destroying Lovies 8 wins in 32 games.
Schiano coached circles around Lovie and had to deal with MRSA and an epic Freeman fall from grace.
Lovie is to thank for Jameis, but so is Schiano. Schiano is a martyr who snuffed out what the large canine on radio could not, Freeman was bull spit and not to be extending a second contract.
Happy New Years Buc Fans!
December 29th, 2016 at 11:23 pm
NFLNut: I been saying all along that I need 9 wins to show improvement over last year’s team….and that hasn’t changed! I’m already pissed that the play-offs are a far gone conclusion! So I’m sticking to my guns!!
December 30th, 2016 at 2:11 am
Big hag
You must not have listened good in school. If we have 6 wins last year and we have 8 wins…this year…how is that not an improvement?
8 is more than 6. It’s simple math
You can’t actually be as stupid in real life as you are on these here boards. I refuse to believe it. Help me out brotha. Man up
December 30th, 2016 at 2:44 am
Its a process people. We’ve taken a step, the cboys present glory comes after how many 8 and 8 season’s. Our time to shine quickly approaches. Two words “be patient”. Light can be seen at the end of the tunnel now.
December 30th, 2016 at 9:34 am
Bonzai, we also know that Josh self-medicated as well…
December 30th, 2016 at 12:11 pm
Joe remains clueless. CBA prevents anyone from releasing specific information about a player’s PED or SOA violation other than mentioning the violation after an appeal has been denied or forgone. In this case Martin elected to forego the appeal which had the NFL announce he violated the Steroid policy. No one can address this situation, including the coach even in allusion.
Thanks for showing your ignorance. NOWHERE did Joe type that the Bucs should reveal info on Martin’s violation. Read the post again, smart guy. –Joe
December 31st, 2016 at 1:09 am
@ Shadow Sump Pump: 8 wins is more than 6 wins! And 6 wins is more than 4 wins and LOVIE still got fleeced! Last year I heard many a poster say that those 6 wins were because of Coach K’s presence so I used some reasonable deduction that the next step would be 9 wins, which we still have a chance to do! I hope there is something there that you can wrap your head around but I’m sure I lost you at 6 wins is more than 4 wins! PS don’t call me brotha if you can’t respect my name!
December 31st, 2016 at 3:12 pm
Guys, know the facts before calling Martin a coke head.
He was suspended for using a PED. Adderall is on that list. Cocaine or whatever uneducated guesses everyone seems to be making is not.
Martin is entering rehab as a PR move to help clean up his image and keep him in good standing with the league, the bucs, and any potential teams that may sign him if/when the bucs cut him. Now opposing GM’s who may sign him get to say… “look a 1400 yard rusher AND he successfully completed rehab” to appease his fanbase.
There are armies of five-year-olds throughout this nation using Adderall – so let’s keep this in perspective. He was wrong. He’s doing the PR thing. He’ll be back somewhere next year and probably just as good as ever. Move on.