Koetter: “One Man Can Only Do So Much”
December 27th, 2016
Dirk Koetter issued a strong State of The Jameis Address yesterday.
Joe put down the vodka, stood at attention and cranked up the volume on the Buccaneers Radio Network as the head coach addressed the play and the future of America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston.
“When you’re the first overall pick, we all have high expectations for Jameis, but nobody has higher expectations than he does for himself,” Koetter said. “The quarterback is going to get maybe a little bit too much credit when things are goin’ right, and maybe a little too much blame when things aren’t goin’ right. Jameis made some beautiful plays in the game [Saturday]. The touchdown to Mike [Evans,] the touchdown to Cam [Brate], he made some other really nice plays, he made some nice scramble plays. But he also had some throws that he’d like to get back.
“Again, we’re at the end of Jameis’ second season. I think he continues to improve. I think he does a lot of things well. I think, you know, we still need to get some more explosive players around Jameis. I think that will also help him.
“You know, one man can only do so much. We need to take some things off Jameis. I mean he can’t win games all by himself. I still think that there’s no question that we have a very bright future with Jameis as our leader. I’m really fired up about the future, but I’m really even more fired up about let’s finish this thing up against Carolina next week.”
Ahh, Koetter touched on the talent gap around Jameis — and boy is it a grand canyon at the skill positions.
Outside of Mike Evans, Jameis is relying on a band of undrafted dudes and castoffs who either haven’t achieved much or have wildly overachieved with limited talent.
Raw talent means so much in the NFL, and the Bucs need more of it around Jameis.
Outside of Mike Evans, none of the nine other non-QB starters on offense Saturday were first-round draft picks. Only two were second-round picks. And only one player, Luke Stocker, represented the third and fourth rounds of the NFL Draft.
December 27th, 2016 at 10:53 am
Good message to send to the GM. We need explosive players on offense. Just look at the Falcons. Shore up the offensive lines. Get us two receivers. We need depth and another hard-running halfback.
December 27th, 2016 at 11:01 am
Don’t worry Fameis Cook coming.
December 27th, 2016 at 11:02 am
Could you imagine Dalvin Cook as a weapon for Winston? Cook looks like the second coming of Marshall Faulk in my opinion. Cook is an immediate home run threat every time he touches the ball. Most likely gone by the time the Bucs pick.
December 27th, 2016 at 11:02 am
I like Pamphile at RT. Move Marpet to center and go get some big nasty athletics guards. Alshon Jeffery should be top free agent priority. Perhaps Dalvin Cook in 1st, but I doubt he’ll be there when we pick. For Defense, get some run stuffers..DTs, strong side LB and safety..Lets go Licht..lots of work to do.
December 27th, 2016 at 11:04 am
He is second coming Skipper. And fanman go compare Elliot and Cook college numbers nd come back and tell who’s better bro.
December 27th, 2016 at 11:09 am
I still think the Bucs need to address the trenches first. Enough with this Dalvin Cook nonsense. It won’t matter who we have at RB if the Bucs can’t run block effectively. I also think this team needs another DE and most definitely a WR. I’ll be interested to see how Jason Licht continues to build this team in the draft. He can’t afford to whiff on free agency again.
December 27th, 2016 at 11:14 am
If what Coach Koetter says is true, then the Bucs GM has about three years to get it right (when JW’s contract is up). There is little room for error, so no wasting draft picks or signing free agents who come to Tampa for a staycation.
December 27th, 2016 at 11:16 am
I am firmly in the camp of building the O-line – Jameis’ best friend is time in the pocket, but the thought of D. Cook in the backfield with a burner on the outside opposite ME13 with Brate working the middle sounds pretty appealing.
Skipper – the comparison to Marshall Faulk is spot on. I’ve not seen a smoother back coming out of college since MF. Cook is a true weapon that is a threat to take it to the house every time he touches it, and you can get him the ball in multiple ways.
December 27th, 2016 at 11:19 am
Cue the rubes in 1,2,3….
December 27th, 2016 at 11:19 am
all you people wanting Alston Jeffery please do your research. He misses a ton of games with various injuries. The bucs have enough fragile so called stars who under-perform. The bucs need RELIABLE weapons not Paper Champions with no actual on field results. The bucs have enough of those Paper Stars in Martin, McCoy and LVD on paper it looks good but when the game starts the results are the same LOSS after LOSS…
December 27th, 2016 at 11:29 am
Touching
December 27th, 2016 at 11:31 am
Kenny Stills of Miami and Marquese Goodwin from Buffalo are the home run threats we should go after in free agency.
This is not a good draft for offensive lineman except at Center.
Dalvin is an absolute game changer at running back. He would make our offensive substantlly better. If available we have to take him in the first.
If Pocic the center from LSU is available at our 2nd pick I would love to get him.
December 27th, 2016 at 11:32 am
substantially
December 27th, 2016 at 11:37 am
@ tmaxcon
I agree about Jeffery. He is also not that fast. I think this offense needs speed like Tye Hill from KC. we need two guys with that type of speed.
December 27th, 2016 at 11:51 am
No question in my mind that Dirk Koetter ‘gets it’ when it comes to the Bucs talent level. Also no question that our Bucs coaching staff has worked miracles with some undrafted free agents. But that’s not a formula for developing a perennial winner. There is no substitute for having adequate talent to work with.
Last year’s draft was mediocre at best, although our FA signings have worked out very well(Ayers, Smith and Grimes particularly). 2017 draft and FA signings will be critical, and I’m hoping that Koetter has a much bigger say in who gets drafted. No more of this horsepuckey of drafting a kicker in the 2nd round … we essentially wasted a 3rd & 4th round pick when we did that. Bucs are paying far too much money right now for players who are contributing zero. Time to get our house in order.
December 27th, 2016 at 11:57 am
Bucs are paying far too much money right now for players who are contributing zero. Time to get our house in order.
well said… There will be a big surprise this off-season…
December 27th, 2016 at 12:01 pm
@Defense Rules, it’s a bit of a hidden story how much the coaching staff has squeezed out of a roster that was thin and inexperienced even before the injury bug began to hit. It’s unfortunate that we still have a ways to go on the talent front (especially with key 2016 contributors like Ayers and Grimes unlikely to come back better next year), but good to see what this group did in spite of its flaws.
December 27th, 2016 at 12:06 pm
@NOSBOS- I don’t have to and don’t want to. I’ve never liked Elliot, ever. The dude looks like a card with his half-jersey!
What I was saying in the previous post was that Elliot runs behind THE BEST O-line in football. We don’t have that here. So Cook as a Buc, behind OUR O-line will not even come close to the numbers Zeke is putting up. I feel like it would be a wasted pick because it’s going to take a 1st or 2nd to get him and the Bucs have more holes than swiss cheese.
Don’t get it twisted, he’d look good in a Bucs uniform. I just don’t think he’ll have the same success. Hey! Prove me wrong. If he comes here, NOSBOS, I’ll be his 2nd biggest fan!!! 🙂
December 27th, 2016 at 12:10 pm
Joe do you think the settlement has something to do with Jameis dip in play the last two games?
December 27th, 2016 at 12:16 pm
As much as I love Cook he is not what the Bucs need right now.
December 27th, 2016 at 12:19 pm
What is this? Is Dirk Koetter finally calling out Jason Licht for his DUMB drafting and PATHETIC free agency signings.
December 27th, 2016 at 12:29 pm
LakeLandBuc
Get off Licht’s NUTs he has produced far better Offensive Units and talent than that pathetic hack politician McKay every produced… You might want to REFRESH your selective memory of the pathetic offenses that hack McKay and Dungy fielded. McKay and Dungy cost bucs superbowls… Stop living in the past fool and appreciate the bright future. It won’t take long for Dirk and Licht to surpass the mediocre overrated hacks Dungy and McKay… Jump on the train!
December 27th, 2016 at 12:38 pm
tmaxcon, it ain’t gonna happen. LakeLand, TampaTony, Bucnut, Poor Glennon, SalishSeamonster, and a couple others whose names are forgettable are on their on bus. It’s shorter than the normal bus, but their firmly entrenced a seated in a circle. Flip a coin to see whose pivot man.
December 27th, 2016 at 12:39 pm
typo’s stink!
December 27th, 2016 at 12:45 pm
gilhealy any truth about Jameis’s dad facebook post?
December 27th, 2016 at 12:53 pm
We need RB, OL and WR. I’d like Mike Williams or Dalvin Cook. If they are gone, draft OL.
December 27th, 2016 at 1:04 pm
@BuccaneEric75
If Williams and Cook are there who do you take?
December 27th, 2016 at 1:16 pm
If this isn’t the offseason to go all in and bring in some horses to push us over the hump then there never will be an offseason to do that. The o-line and WR position need to be overhauled. Marpet is really the only player on that line that to my eyes should be safe. I would move Pamphile to right tackle, D. Smith to left guard , and sign or draft a real life left tackle. Those moves probably need to be a two year project.
Sign a couple veteran WR’s and draft a mid round speed guy.
On defense, Safety obviously and anybody that can get after the QB.
December 27th, 2016 at 1:19 pm
best player available in the first round. Address our needs for the rest of the draft.
December 27th, 2016 at 1:24 pm
Bingo 15.
December 27th, 2016 at 1:38 pm
If not Cook the target better be Williams. This team need’s a offensive jolt playmaker type player.
December 27th, 2016 at 1:50 pm
Jameis isn’t without flaws. He does get over emotional, he does have streaky accuracy, and he does make some bad decisions. However, those flaws aren’t unfixable. Coach him up. He’s got the work ethic. But he needs better weapons. The best way to be 100% sure Winston progresses is upgrade the talent around him. Adam Humphries is a good slot guy, but not a No.2 receiver. Get Him some actual receiver talent outside of our elite guy and it’s gonna have a positive effect throughout the whole offense. If we don’t go defense or O-Line(which Joe I’m sorry it is a flawed and occasionally overachieving line) in the draft, target Mike Williams. No risk it, No Biscuit.
December 27th, 2016 at 2:20 pm
I know all the Nole fans want Dalvin Cook, but I think that would be a big mistake. I see Cook as being much too slight of frame to endure the onslaught of physical punishment that occurs in the NFL. If we were to target a Running back early in the Draft, for me, It would have to be Leonard Fournette. This kid has just as much break away speed as cook, has great hands like cook, but he is a big dude that can run with power, to me Fournette is comparable to an even more athletic Lativius Murray.
December 27th, 2016 at 2:21 pm
Trenches first
December 27th, 2016 at 2:24 pm
But if he is available, Mike Williams out of clemson looks like the most Explosive Offensive Skill Position player available in the 2017 Draft. Kid is 6’3″ 225 and looks like a faster Mike Evans/Plaxico Burress.
December 27th, 2016 at 2:28 pm
JameisDungy, yep. Go to FB and look him up. Check his posts. Then read the comments by all his relatives.
December 27th, 2016 at 3:00 pm
@Gilhealy-
I don’t know what you’re calling me out for on your above post. I don’t even know you…
And what tweets about Jameis relatives are you talking about? I don’t know what the story is that you guys are referencing.
December 27th, 2016 at 3:03 pm
Try again Blake Dalvin 220 and 4.4 4.3 speed to boot bro.
December 27th, 2016 at 3:05 pm
Look we live in a age where YouTube makes it easy to check a player. Pull up Dalvin highlights and then direct me to a more explosive player. I’ll be waiting.
December 27th, 2016 at 3:07 pm
Marshall Faulk didn’t need to look like Christian Okoye to do his thang in the nfl. He was to busy blowing by everyone.
December 27th, 2016 at 3:07 pm
Blake:
I’m guessing you haven’t watched much of Dalvin Cook.
For one he is relatively the same weight as LeVeon Bell and Ezekiel Elliott but is a few inches shorter which makes him stockier.
Anyone that is hard core Gator as seminole knows how good this guy is.
The Bucs drafted the second best RB from Florida State in their history in Warwick Dunn whom is 22 all time in rushing yards in NFL history and this guy is better.
Even if we have a weak offensive line he will open things up substantially for us.
I want us to get him bad.
December 27th, 2016 at 3:08 pm
Gator or Seminole
December 27th, 2016 at 3:16 pm
Yeesh, he needs wrs that can separate not another Seminole. Can you guys be slightly objective and more well rounded with your football knowledge? Everything doesn’t revolve around FSU . A great many NFL players have made it in the league despite their shortcomings of not going to FSU. The only guys you know are players who play or have played at a Florida school or against one. Look at the mock drafts. No one has us taking Cook. Davis from Western Michigan or perhaps John Ross from Washington. They are the two who will be available when we pick middle of the first
December 27th, 2016 at 3:26 pm
See you muthaf@$! think we want him because he’s a Nole. No dumbass’s we want him because he’s one of the 2 or 3 best players in the entire draft. Be is special not good. Y’all act slow like you can’t tell their is a underlining bigger picture when it comes to this Doug. Martin latest.
December 27th, 2016 at 3:30 pm
Chris when Licht visited FSU scouting Fameis he “stated when you leave there you come away aware that their is a great deal of talent at that program” if you think he hasn’t been watching Cook you stupid. This is once every ten years or so homie. You trade up like atlanta did for Julio if need be homeboy.
December 27th, 2016 at 3:31 pm
And he won’t be there when we draft 15
December 27th, 2016 at 3:34 pm
I think we should draft Dalvin cook trade for Patrick rasmey and then draft every Florida state player. Because then we will win. Oh wait that doesn’t work ask Spurrier if that worked when he was with the redskins. Or schiano with all the Rutgers players. We get it we like dalvin cook but Zeke is great because of an O-Line that can block and get to second level and block. Our O-line needs to be fixed by free agency and the draft first then we can look at skill positions.
December 27th, 2016 at 3:45 pm
For what its worth people he originally wanted to be a Gator. Okay!
December 27th, 2016 at 3:47 pm
And please stop with where we draft at. Atlanta moved up 11 spots fpr Julio. It was worth it,because Julio once every ten years or so. So is Dalvin.
December 27th, 2016 at 3:53 pm
I don’t see Licht being this gutsy with trading up for Cook. The only way we get him is by moving into the top ten, even then maybe nit. I think someone pulls a Dallas and drafts him top 5.
December 27th, 2016 at 3:54 pm
Gilhealy Says:
December 27th, 2016 at 2:28 pm
JameisDungy, yep. Go to FB and look him up. Check his posts. Then read the comments by all his relatives.
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Did that still have no idea what your talking about.
December 27th, 2016 at 3:57 pm
Sorry Salish, maybe I got you wrong. I was calling out all the negative nancies towards Jameis. The facebook reference is about Mr.Winston commenting on his son’s civil case. He said, and I paraphrase, “the devil didn’t get any of our FUNDS!”.
December 27th, 2016 at 4:00 pm
@ Nole, Did you know that Dalvin Cook is projected to Run a 4.5 40? Also he as of the start of the 2016 season he stands 6’0″ and weighs in at 203. And idk how everyone else feels, but I’m tired of having small running backs man. I want a Power Back. And from what I’ve seen on Tape, Dalvin Cook is not one, not to mention he has somewhat of a checkered past when it comes to ball security and fumbling.
To be perfectly honest, I’d rather us draft Christian Mccaffrey over Dalvin Cook. Imho Mccaffrey appears to be Just as fast as, but shiftier, and just a better open field/ In between the tackles runner than Cook.
To me, Leonard Fournette stands above the rest of the backs in this class. 6’1″ 230, projected to run 4.48, He’s quick enough to make Defensive lineman miss, Fast enough to outrun Linebackers, and Can run over Defensive backs with ease. It’s apparent to me that he has the Highest ceiling, and the lowest for a 2017 Rb Draft Prospect. At best, he could be the next Adrian Peterson, At worst he’s a hyper Athletic Lativius Murray with better vision.
Having said all of that, I’d be happiest if we strengthen the Trenches first. I want a physically dominant Smash mouth offensive Line. And a D-line that can get after opposing Qb’s and stuff the run. I firmly believe that if you give Jameis all the time he needs to sit in a pocket and scan a defense, he will be one bad man.
December 27th, 2016 at 4:05 pm
^Leonard Fournette has the highest ceiling and lowest *floor*
December 27th, 2016 at 4:47 pm
Bro where you find your bs info from??? My seasrch states his most recent time being 4.46 weight 213. You willing to wager anything on that combine 40?? I ain got no problem giving my number and local.
December 27th, 2016 at 4:50 pm
You can want a power back til your nec k bust. Koetter wants a dual threat back i assure you. Fornette lands behind a wall like dallas’s he’ll be nasty(not many out there unfortunately)if not he’ll be Todd Gurly.
December 27th, 2016 at 4:54 pm
IMO everybody that’s talking negatively about Cook, look at Dallas. EVERYONE said they “NEEDED” D-line help in the draft and they drafted the best player available in Zeke and look how that’s played out for them, granted they have a GREAT O-line. And I don’t think our line is that terrible if you really look at it, they produced enough for Doug to have (2) 1,400+ yrs when healthy. Me personally, I think we should go with Mike Williams or Corey Davis (WRs) in the first Rd, trade Doug Martin for a first or second (out of his 5 yrs he’s only had 2 productive ones), with that pick get another edge rusher or Safety, I think we can get a quality RB in the later rounds (3) someone like Samaje Perine from Oklahoma, I think he’s better then what we have now… And fill in the rest where needed. But that’s just my opinion looking from a far… What y’all think?
December 27th, 2016 at 5:11 pm
@Nole I got all my info from Walter Football.
December 27th, 2016 at 5:17 pm
@Nole I firmly believe that Leonard Fournette is a dual threat Back. And you know, I’ve seen a lot of Todd Gurley, and i really don’t like him, because he i’ve never seen him really make someone miss, or use his vision to make a something out of nothing type run. He’s just fast. Leonard Fournette has impressed me with his vision, and shiftyness, his catching ability, his power, his ability to stick his foot in the ground, make one cut, hit the hole and go, all extremely impressive.
I have a strong gut feeling that Dalvin Cook is one of those guys that will not carry over his collegiate success into the NFL. I just don’t see his body holding up and like i mentioned before he has a propensity to cough up the rock. I’ll pass.
December 27th, 2016 at 5:20 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MKKnCz8OSc&t=48s
From the 3rd and 4th run on you will see exactly what i’m talking about.
December 27th, 2016 at 5:21 pm
Why is everyone hating on FSU?? Every year Jimbo and Saban are 1 and 2 in recruiting. The talent is clearly down there
December 27th, 2016 at 5:26 pm
Watch all those plays and tell me this kid doesn’t Scream Adrian Peterson or David Johnson.
December 27th, 2016 at 5:27 pm
With that being said we need to draft best lineman available though especially if Ross is off the board. We just need speed at our skill positions so we can take flyers on players who clock the fastest times.
December 27th, 2016 at 5:28 pm
Look it has nothing to do with Dalvin being from Florida State. However Florida State players have done extremely well for the Bucs over the years Warrick Dunn, Greg Spires, Dexter Jackson Derrick Brooks Brad Johnson and Jamies Winston. I love great players whether it’s warren Sapp from Miami or Vernon Hargraves from Florida the state of Florida generally produces the most amount of NFL talent than any other state in the US
If we get Dalvin in the first round and Caleb Brantley and Marcus Maye From Florida in the second and third rounds I’d be very happy!
December 27th, 2016 at 5:38 pm
I bet if you take all the starters from the 2013 FSU roster, NOW in their career, you’d have Super Bowl contenders. Anyone agree?
December 27th, 2016 at 5:51 pm
Undrafted or not Brate has become an elite talent.
December 27th, 2016 at 6:11 pm
Draft both o and d lineman with all of our picks and use free agency to fill the other gaps. Get one receiver, one corner and one saftey via free agency and draft the heck out of the lines!!!!!! No more running the ball down our throat and getting stuffed in short yardage. Impose our will and beat teams down that is the long lasting way to build a team.
December 27th, 2016 at 6:12 pm
Blake my point is if Fournette dose not land at an ideal location he’ll apear to be just another RB like Gurly currently dose in L.A. And I’ll ask you again what do wanna wager on Dalvin’s combine 40 time being less than 4.5. Let me know bro.
December 27th, 2016 at 6:15 pm
And I will go on record right now. Leonard Fournette is no where near the player Cook is. Can’t catch like him, can’t make guys miss like him and he is mainly powee like a faster Ron Dance plus he’s always hurt already.
December 27th, 2016 at 6:15 pm
iam when your fav gets attention and there’s don’t the instinct to hate is prevalent. I personally give a s@$! where I guy comes from long as his @$$ ball. Ima Bucc first.
December 27th, 2016 at 6:24 pm
Ndog I would hesitate to say that he is always injured. He’s dealt with an ankle injury in 2016 but other than that I have read and seen nothing to suggest that he is injury prone. If you watch the youtube link that I posted you will see how much juice this young man has been blessed with. He has break away speed, agility, freakish athleticism, bulldozing power, very good vision, and catching ability as well.
I suppose its personal preference, but I like my running backs to have more meat on their bones. In Leonard Fournette, I see Adrian Peterson, David Johnson, Le’veon Bell. In Dalvin Cook, I see Warrick Dunn, Doug Martin, Geovani Bernard.
December 27th, 2016 at 8:02 pm
A sign that the Bucs are doing better: all the draft talk is taking place closer to the end of the season.
December 28th, 2016 at 12:04 am
BPA 1st round.
K.D Cannon or the C u guys keep talking about. 2nd round
Defence 3rd round. (ROLB, S, DT)
Trade LVD. (He’s been a slouch since he got paid, and can’t tackle 4 $hit)
December 28th, 2016 at 10:25 am
Mock draft has Mike Williams gone at 7 and Leonard Fournette gone at 9. They won’t be there when we pick, unless we move up for them.
This is what one site has us taking:
Tampa Bay Buccaneers (8-7) – Corey Davis (WR, Western Michigan) – Jamis Winston has benefited from a pair of big, talented receivers. But with Vincent Jackson aging, it might be time to find him another one. Davis is a smooth receiver for his size and has earned praise for his route running. He could feast across from Evans.
December 28th, 2016 at 10:27 am
Carolina Panthers (6-9) – Leonard Fournette (RB, LSU) – The Panthers’ feature a BIG offense. Big QB, big wide receivers, and a big tight end. With Jonathan Stewart potentially on his way out, the Panthers nab one of the best size/athleticism combinations since Adrian Peterson.
December 28th, 2016 at 10:27 am
San Diego Chargers (5-10) – Mike Williams (WR, Clemson) – This pick might be influence by whether or not the Chargers are able to retain Melvin Ingram in free agency. If so, Williams gives Phillip Rivers another big, athletic receiver in the mold of Julio Jones or Dez Bryant.
December 28th, 2016 at 10:30 am
Cook was there, but they had him going 23rd to the Giants
December 28th, 2016 at 10:32 am
CBS Mock is different.
Cook went 13th to Colts.
Bucs drafted Desmond King, CB, Iowa: The Bucs’ safety duo of Chris Conte and Bradley McDougald is one of the league’s least athletic. King has starred at cornerback over his career but some scouts feel that his best fit in the NFL will be inside. While perhaps lacking in straight-line speed, King’s instincts, physicality and ball skills are top notch.
Fournette was gone at 4 to Jacksonville and Williams was gone at 7 to San Diego again
December 28th, 2016 at 10:36 am
FSU has Cook at 5-11 and 213 lbs.
ESPN has his 40 time at 4.49
December 28th, 2016 at 12:59 pm
@skyline I would actually be so happy if we end up with Desmond King. I was really hyped on King last year, thought he would’ve been the best corner in last years class. Kid has so much athleticism and raw playmaking ability.
Ideally, I want us to target O-lineman early, unfortunately from what I’ve see this appears to be a very weak draft/free agency for them.
December 30th, 2016 at 7:07 pm
Offensive lineman round 1 , McCaffrey round 2, if Dede Westbrook slides into late second/early 3rd, trade up and grab him.