Turnstile Of RBs Hurt Jameis
November 17th, 2016
Running backs messed with Jameis’ mechanics.
Yesterday Joe wrote how Trent Dilfer noted the mechanics of America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, have improved in recent weeks.
So that led Joe to wonder why Jameis’ mechanics were not cleaned up sooner, as in training camp. Well, leave it to a football guy to explain why.
That football voice is Pat Kirwan of SiriusXM NFL Radio fame. In a previous life, Kirwan was a Bucs scout, a Jets linebackers coach and a Jets pro personnel director.
The reason why Jameis’ mechanics were fouled up earlier in the year can be traced to the injuries at running back, Kirwan said on his site, Real Football Network.
“I think Jameis is starting to throw the ball very well,” Kirwan explained. “Remember, Jameis has gone through four running backs and that creates problems and it does create problems with his mechanics. Why? Cause people are able to blitz the pass. He has to move around more. He has to throw off balance.”
This is something Joe never thought of but it sure adds up. Just because a backup running back can get yardage on the ground doesn’t mean he is also adept at pass protection. (Look what Dirk Koetter said about Doug Martin.)
Weird thing is, Jameis is one of the NFL’s best quarterbacks when on the move.
November 17th, 2016 at 5:51 am
No question in my mind that the Bucs’ turnstile of RBs has impacted Jameis, but I think our OLine’s issues this year have had an even bigger impact. Jameis’ pass protection has broken down far too often this year and Jameis has had to constantly be on the move just to survive. Rarely does he seem to have the luxury of just dropping back 5-7 steps, and planting himself while he surveys the field looking for an open receiver. More often it’s drop back 5-7 steps then run for your life hoping someone gets open.
Read a great article on another site earlier today about Marcus Mariota and how deadly the Titans are once in the Red Zone (lead the NFL in that category). Marcus is obviously a huge part of the reason for their success there, but what he has to work with is really impressive. Start with 2 excellent RBs (Demarco Murray & Derrick Henry) who together have almost 1,200 yds in 10 games. Add in a great TE (Delanie Walker) who has almost 600 yds so far, plus 3 solid WRs (Rishard Matthews, Kendall Wright & Tajae Sharpe) who’ve gained another 1,200 yds. Throw in a solid OLine, plus relatively few injuries and it’s easy to see why their offense is doing well. Bucs have quite a ways to go to surround Jameis with that level of talent.
November 17th, 2016 at 6:22 am
So it is all about the TALENT! Message Aproved Defence Rules! Go BUCS….now let’s back up that home win with one on the ROAD!
November 17th, 2016 at 7:50 am
Nice post def
Jon robinson is the gm/architect of the titans and former lead of player personnel of the bucs last year. He is a genius anf jason licht is a dipsh!t
Dont forget robinson moved up to draft a off lineman whie licht moved up to draft a kicker. Robinson had a homerun fa offensive lineman while we got sweezied
Yes it is the turnstile putrid offensive lineman and not the rbs. James had the most qb hits last year and also leading the year again. Seems koetter the clown is too busy talking about ticket sales or culture and not addressing dotson and dsmiths issues all year long
Its all about talent and lack of. Last week we had idiots talking about mutiny and certain players emotions/efforts. Lol gmc and front 4 played better when mcdonald came back. Pass coverage played better with mcdonald and pass rush. What happened? More talent and better player was on the field to produce
How good would sapp be without simeon rice, brooks behind him and lynch and barber at back?
We need to load this team with FVKIN TALENT
This offensive recievers and playmakers is the worst in the league
We could have had a great playoff year but forrest struckout in everymove and left a 22 year franchise qb to win himself
39 games til jameis free agency
#jaboo2obj2019
November 17th, 2016 at 8:07 am
It all goes together. A good run game takes pressure off the QB. A good RB knows how to pass block. When you have a balanced offense and you’re running the football the o-line can play downhill. What does all that equal? Better offensive play!
Talent! Been saying it since forever.
Go Bucs!
November 17th, 2016 at 8:12 am
Not only does it affect the consistency of the running game. But when these running backs come off the street it limits your audible calls as well, because they do not know the calls where to line-up and the full blitz pick-up responsibilities of the full offense!!!!!
November 17th, 2016 at 9:08 am
Good points on the O-line. I do not know the last time I said to myself or heard an announcer comment about Jameis having a ton of time to throw the ball. This could be great for him long term as he is forced to accelerate his progressions. He is forced to make faster/better decisions. I think he is doing that.
On his mechanics;
To me, he looks like a guy who is settling into his situation. Many have stated how rattled he looked vs Arizona. He’s a different player now. As he gets more comfortable his mechanics will continue to improve. As his mechanics improve, he will get more comfortable. He on the positive end of that cycle.
November 17th, 2016 at 9:33 am
What i saw last game vs chicago bears was…
Not throwing into double coverage
All first half , he didnt throw throw at all to evans he was doubled. Only when evans was singled or in zone coverage at the 2nd half did jameis throw to him
This will limit interceptions and spread the wealth around
Brate can beat single coverage and shep can also. We need shep big this week. With josh rob doing a great job as a gunner so we need shep with 50 snaps
Shep, evans and with sims later on the field at 1 time is plenty for jameis to tear up good defenses end of the year
November 17th, 2016 at 9:54 am
Blame Jameis overthrows and poor decisions on the lack of a RB. This is ridiculous, Seattle is 30th, NY Giants 31st, Minnesota 32nd in rushing offense and Jameis has thrown more INTS than Russell Wilson, Eli Manning, Sam Bradford combined.
November 17th, 2016 at 9:59 am
@Lakeland- Jameis is not without blame but take a look at the talent level of the teams you mentioned.
You’re 100% correct by saying that JW has to improve. No question! He’s a young QB and has a lot to learn. Having a sound running game is the best way to balance that. Look at Dallas and Dak. You think Dak has that success without Zeke? No way!
November 17th, 2016 at 10:03 am
Life of a franchise QB if you ask me. I think he handled it damn well.
November 17th, 2016 at 10:09 am
http://www.espn.com/blog/tampa-bay-buccaneers/post/_/id/14959/numbers-show-jameis-winston-better-outside-pocket-with-play-action
Winston is 30 of 50 for 357 passing yards, 10 touchdowns and just one interception when throwing outside the pocket this year. His 60 percent completion percentage is second in the league.
Winston has utilized 95 play-action plays this year, third most of any quarterback in the league. When he does use play-action, he’s shown more accuracy, completing 49 of 65 passes (75.4 completion percentage) for 632 passing yards. Without play-action, he has completed 132 of 141 passes (54.8 percent) for 1,405 passing yards.
Compared to the rest of the league, Winston’s 75.4 percent completion percentage off play-action is the fourth-highest completion among quarterbacks, just below Tom Brady.
His 17 total touchdowns are tied for fifth overall among all NFL quarterbacks. Plus, he became the youngest QB in NFL history to throw for 40 TD’s in a career.
Now, couple that with the slew of injuries at RB and the need to start the 5th player at that position at the HALFWAY POINT OF THE SEASON and the decimation in the O-line, it makes these feats even more remarkable.
Which brings me to these idiotic sports analysts who are saying that Jaemis is “not doing so well,” this year – or even worse, making a comparison between him and Mariota where one writer claimed that Marcus had “passed and surpassed Jameis.”
I tell you what. Have Winston and Mariotta trade places and I'[d bet you that Marcus would fold like an old wallet.
Tell me again who was “Rookie of the Year” last year?
When Doug Martin gets going back to full-speed, Winston is going to be even better.
November 17th, 2016 at 10:16 am
@Lakeland – it sounds like you may not have read the whole article. it was about the quality of pass protection when you are pulling RBs off the practice squad or out of their living rooms to play on Sundays. Nothing to do with running the football
November 17th, 2016 at 11:50 am
Player
INTs
Russel Wilson
2
Eli Manning
11
Sam Bradford
2
Jameis Winston
11
I’m not sure what kind of common-core math you’re using, but last I checked 11 + 2 + 2 =/= 11.
And let’s not even mention how many of Jameis’ interceptions have come from hitting receivers right in the hands…
November 17th, 2016 at 1:21 pm
celly: I was wrong on that, I didn’t intend to use Eli Manning ( he’s as worse as Jameis) I was making a point of the bottom teams in rushing offense. Now with that being said, Jameis has thrown TWICE as many INTS as Russell Wilson and Sam Bradford. And they both have worst O-Lines.
November 17th, 2016 at 1:34 pm
And Seattle has a starting rookie LT, who haven’t played football since the 8th grade. He was a PF on the basketball team, switch to football last season and didn’t see the field. They have a rookie starting at RG, they have been juggling backs all season. Russell Wilson isn’t making poor decisions because of that, he knows how to adjust to the talent around him. I’m not hating on Jameis, I like Jameis, but i’m not going to make excuses for him.
November 17th, 2016 at 1:57 pm
“Jon robinson is the gm/architect of the titans and former lead of player personnel of the bucs last year. He is a genius anf jason licht is a dipsh!t”
Jon Robinson was hand picked by Light and they both share a lot of the same philosophies… Pewterreport ran a large article on their ties together. He was probably #1 guy Light wanted.
To say one is a genius and the other is an idiot based on the results of 1 draft 9 games into the season is incredibly short sided, misguided, and frankly wrong.
If your position was true; it’d make no sense that Light would have wanted Robinson; because their shared philosophies on talent & the draft were the entire f*cking reason he hired him in the 1st place lol…
November 17th, 2016 at 2:13 pm
Also let’s go ahead and look at Robinson’s draft.. For one he got way more picks because of being in the best possible situation for any NFL team in a long time (franchise QB in place; have 1st pick and get to ransom it for more).
pick by pick:
rnd 1 Conklin OT – great pick to add to an already talented O-line. He was labeled a pretty safe sure fire guy going into the draft and was unavailable when we picked
rnd 2 pick 33 – Kevin Dodd DE/OLB – hasn’t really done sh1t. 1 sack in 137 snaps. Picked before Noah Spence who looks like a much better value.
rnd 2 pick 43 – Austin Johnson DT – has played in 4 games and has 3 tackles. So impressive
rnd 2 pick 45 – Derrick Henry RB – backup RB who has done OK but not really been a key to any of their success as much as Demarco Murray. Jordan Howard has been more valuable (5th rounder). I like Henry long term tho
rnd 3 pick 64 – Kevin Byard – S – playing ok and rounding into potential starter
rnd 5 pick 140 – Tajae Sharpe – not a bad WR but nothing special. Definitely better than Kenny Bell. I don’t see a lot of upside with him though. Adam humphries level find
rnd 5 pick 157 – Leshaun Sims – not really done anything
rnd 6 – sebastian something – OG – non contributor
other 2 late picks are either injured or waived.
So let’s see; even with all those picks; I think you could argue the Bucs have gotten more production from their rookie class as a whole; just because we have 2 major impact players in VHIII & Spence vs 1 for the Titans (conklin).
If anything; it’s pretty damn close. And it’s not even fair to compare; because Robinson had 3X the ammo as Light in last year’s draft to hit on picks.
November 17th, 2016 at 2:19 pm
Lord….I like the Saints draft more than any team in the NFL. Even though they only had 5 picks, they did an excellent job.
November 17th, 2016 at 2:42 pm
“Lord….I like the Saints draft more than any team in the NFL. Even though they only had 5 picks, they did an excellent job.”
Agree. If Rankins was healthy it could have made a big difference too.
I just get annoyed seeing dumb things that I know are just rooted in some guy sitting on his couch thinking about sh1t but not actually fact-checking the theory