Bucs Run Improves Glennon Odds Of Staying
November 30th, 2016
While the bitter Mike Glennon Mob might want to see their favorite son set free to rescue a moribund franchise, Joe believes the odds of that happening are getting longer.
If the Bucs emerge from 2016 as a relevant winner and a respected force on the rise, then it would be wise for general manager Jason Licht to invest in a quality backup quarterback. That would be Glennon, an unrestricted free agent after the season.
Bad teams don’t need to pay good money to backups. Solid teams shouldn’t, either. But winners on the cusp of greatness should be interested, especially when their starting quarterback leads the NFL in hits absorbed for two consecutive seasons.
Glennon, who turns 27 next month, knows the Bucs offense inside and out, and he’s well respected in the walls of One Buc Palace. Also, he absolutely proved he wasn’t asleep at the wheel when he relieved Jameis against Atlanta and was 10-for-11 with a touchdown pass. The guy was sharp after not playing since 2014.
If the Bucs finish, say, 9-7 in second place, then they are for real. And if they’re for real, then they shouldn’t gamble on a backup.
Joe believes Glennon is smart enough to realize the following:
- He’s not good enough to be anything but a bottom tier NFL starter
- He’s got a great life in Tampa
- He can make a fortune of money in Tampa being Jameis’ career backup.
- Barring a change in his game, Jameis is on a path to getting injured.
Joe’s not saying Glennon should be offered Chase Daniel money by the Bucs, but wave $10 million guaranteed under his nose for a few years work and see what happens. Joe bets Glennon would take it.
Again, Joe only feels strongly about this if the Bucs are a winning team in January.
November 30th, 2016 at 10:35 am
It will take 7 million a year to have him stay, so it will be 14 million guaranteed plus a more team option year at 7!!! That will also take the contract up to JW3 contract renewal!!!!!!!
So it is 21 million for 3 years!!!! But that is the price for a QB, plus he has been in the system for 2 years already!!!!
November 30th, 2016 at 10:38 am
Seeing the Mike Glennon Mob moniker thrown out there makes me cringe a bit. As someone who was solidly in that camp when there were scant options and we were trying to determine which was the best of the bad QBs we had available, I was all in. I’m no Steve Deumig though, as I do not hold a candle for a sub-par QB over our current superstar simply because I was waving a flag for him some time ago. I’m happy to be part of the Keep Glennon on Clipboard Duty Brigade, though. Bring him back for 5 more years on a deal that is fair to both sides. It’d be great to have him as a backup. If we get a new guy, it’ll make those Jameis scrambles a lot more gut-wrenching.
November 30th, 2016 at 10:40 am
All fine and dandy. But the big picture is hoping Glennon isnt needed. Thankfully, Jameis is proving to be pretty durable. Glennon is an insurance policy. Keep paying those premiums.
November 30th, 2016 at 10:43 am
It’s really going to depend on if teams come after him promising him a legit chance to start. He’s a competitor, and he’s going to want to start. I can’t blame him for that at all. I personally don’t think he’s a legit starter, unless he were to be on the perfect team (Broncos comes to mind), but I’m sure he thinks otherwise (as he should). I hope we keep him, but he plays a position of major need, so I would be very surprised if he’s a Buc in 2017. I would guess the Bucs feel the same way, or Griffin probably wouldn’t be on our team.
November 30th, 2016 at 10:43 am
The way we’ve been drafting, we are going to need to save money to keep our young solid players. Unless we get Glennon for cheap, I wouldn’t mind letting him go, future contracts our going to be expensive, especially Winston’s.
November 30th, 2016 at 10:49 am
Ding. Hard to justify spending loads of cash on a guy you hope never plays when guys who start will need to be paid.
November 30th, 2016 at 10:51 am
7 million a year? No way. If he wants more than 4 million we should let him go. We have more pressing needs than a high priced backup. Most backups don’t make that much. Look at spotrac.com.
November 30th, 2016 at 11:01 am
If Glennon resigns can we cut Ryan Griffin who is taking up a roster spot?
November 30th, 2016 at 11:12 am
Joe believes Glennon is smart enough to realize the following:
He’s not good enough to be anything but a bottom tier NFL starter
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Good Lord, I sure hope he doesn’t have that mentality. What a defeatist attitude for a professional player to have. I highly doubt that Glennon has such a moronic outlook on his abilities that Joe has. Joe, as someone who clamored and pined for John Manziel, because he was the second coming of Christ, you really should just pass when it comes to critiquing QBs.
November 30th, 2016 at 11:12 am
I guess there is no such thing as a cheaply paid NFL player any longer. Backup money is now more money than most working stiffs will ever earn in their lifetimes. Lower the NFL salaries, it has become way beyond out of hand. Where do the rapidly escalating payouts stop? MG8 ain’t worth all that, find a better backup for much less. And I like Glennon.
November 30th, 2016 at 11:13 am
STOP TRYING TO JINX JAMEIS! HE’S TOO COUNTRY STRONG JOE AND YOU KNOW IT! NOW STOP SAYING HE WILL GET INJURED!
November 30th, 2016 at 11:15 am
@Buccfan37 – So, if the players don’t get the money then would you propose that the owners just keep it? I’m pretty sure that they’re a bit further along in that area where they’re making more than any average person will ever know. At least this way it’s going to the people who are risking injury.
November 30th, 2016 at 11:21 am
DING DING DING.
This is the reason that I believe that Glennon is gone next year regardless of how well we’ve done.
They’ve kept Griffin on the roster the whole time and he was hand-picked by the current regime.
November 30th, 2016 at 11:27 am
I’ve never liked Glennon really or seen any upside in him. At best he is a decent game manager and at worst just a terrible QB.
My thinking would be – keep him for cheap if he wants (3-4 mill per year, $8 mill guaranteed, 3 year contract type thing).
If not; let him test the open market and if he actually commands big dollars we probably get a late rounder at least.
November 30th, 2016 at 11:29 am
The Buc Realist Says:
“It will take 7 million a year to have him stay…”
Not at all.
He certainly would not get that much on the open market. At best, he’ll get $4 million for his first year. He might even end up with only a one year deal elsewhere.
You are also making the assumption that he has the drive to succeed (and so will want to go elsewhere). He’s shown us nothing to prove he does. He’s had years to become very good, to improve. He has less value now than when he was drafted.
And it’s his own fault.
He lacks energy when on the field, and of all his weak areas, he has literally done nothing to address them from what I’ve witnessed.
November 30th, 2016 at 11:30 am
I predicted last year that he might resign with the Buccaneers. I still believe it.
November 30th, 2016 at 11:31 am
Oh, Realist…if Jason Licht gives Glennon 21 million for 3 years, he should be fired instantly. Mike has not proven he deserves that kind of money.
November 30th, 2016 at 11:35 am
Sorry… but what have you “Witnessed”? You are suggesting he does not work on getting better, mentally or physically. I would sign nothing more than a 2year deal. He will come back if his only option is Cleveland. I would think he bolt for the Jets. Could consider the Bears. Other than those teams where is he going?
November 30th, 2016 at 11:43 am
While some of you think it is “sticker shock” at that price, there are several factors that will come in to play!!! First, this is what I think it will take to keep MG8 off the Free-agent market!!! #2 it is really a short 2 year deal!!! #3 Since the Bucs do not hand out “guaranteed cash” as in a signing bonus. They give guarantee base salary which will appear higher!!!!
If MG8 would sign a 3 year 15 million contract, NFL GM Licht would write it out today!!!!!
November 30th, 2016 at 11:50 am
lightningbuc Says:
November 30th, 2016 at 11:12 am
Joe believes Glennon is smart enough to realize the following:
He’s not good enough to be anything but a bottom tier NFL starter
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Good Lord, I sure hope he doesn’t have that mentality. What a defeatist attitude for a professional player to have. I highly doubt that Glennon has such a moronic outlook on his abilities that Joe has.
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Correctamundo.
November 30th, 2016 at 11:53 am
Bucs should make Glennon a standing offer somewhere around 4 mil…..with an expiration near the end of FA 2017.
We have Griffin locked up an can cut him at minimal expense.
This will also do Mike a great service by putting a floor on his FA value. If he can exceed it somewhere else….good for him. If not, he can sign with us.
November 30th, 2016 at 11:54 am
I would be cool with keeping Glennon but damn Joe, knock on wood with that jameis injury nonsense. Shame on you for saying that
November 30th, 2016 at 11:56 am
brock osweiler suckered a team into $17 million, and Houston outbid a $16 million sucker in doing so. The Bears are rumored to be thinking of keeping Jay Cutler around in the mid-teens of millions because they are worried about life without at least a surefire mediocre QB. Nick Foles and Sam Bradford have extracted high draft picks and tens of millions of dollars from teams in the last couple of years.
In this market, you don’t think a 26ish year old QB with an NFL arm, an NFL brain, and a 20 start resume with respectable stats is not a candidate to get a deal approaching starter money?
November 30th, 2016 at 12:00 pm
Maybe the team that comes calling is a good team looking to upgrade its backup. Even if Glennon resigns himself to being a backup, maybe Seattle, Tennessee or Oakland offers him more than the Bucs do.
November 30th, 2016 at 12:02 pm
Like I always say, Mike Glennon should be our version of Jason Garrett.
November 30th, 2016 at 12:03 pm
Glennon would be crazy to take less than $10M a year from the Bucs without testing Free Agency…
November 30th, 2016 at 12:03 pm
to clarify, brock (bottom 5 starting QB in the NFL with the Broncos and eventually benched the year he “earned” the contract) scored a ~$70 mil contract, a little over $17 mil annually with 2 years guaranteed. If Glennon entices a team into just a fraction of that along with a starting shot, not only is it the gateway to future starting QB contract, 2 years of that type of deal is probably more valuable than 5 years of a reasonable backup QB deal
November 30th, 2016 at 12:05 pm
The desperate QB market may dictate what happens. You could argue that the giraffe is as good if not better than the Ostrich Osweiler. I could see former FSU product EJ Manuel as a good fit if the giraffe gallops away…
November 30th, 2016 at 12:26 pm
MG is really smart. He may be fine as a career backup making 2-3 million per year. He retires in 10 years without taking a beating and has millions in the bank. Win-Win
November 30th, 2016 at 12:38 pm
most said that DM22 was a 4-to 5 million year running back and how did that turn out!!!!
It is one thing to save the money on a position that if you starting QB went down it would not matter!!! But next year all plans are for that it will matter!!!! The run will have began!!! and you do not want to cost this team the playoffs because JW3 was nicked up for two games!!!!!
November 30th, 2016 at 12:39 pm
Most athletes are far more competitive and have bigger egos than that.
He will certainly test free agency. Definitely a chance we are able to sign him, but it will not be his first choice.
November 30th, 2016 at 12:39 pm
I don’t believe that Glennon is aware of his ceiling. Realistically, he probably wants a chance to write his own story.
November 30th, 2016 at 12:44 pm
Situation kinda reminds me of Josh Freemans former backup – Josh Johnson.
#GrassNotGreenerOntheOtherSide
November 30th, 2016 at 12:47 pm
Josh Johnson
• Tampa Bay Buccaneers (2008–2011)
• San Francisco 49ers (2012)*
• Sacramento Mountain Lions (2012)
• Cleveland Browns (2012)
• Cincinnati Bengals (2013)
• San Francisco 49ers (2014)
• Cincinnati Bengals (2015)*
• New York Jets (2015)*
• Indianapolis Colts (2015)
• Buffalo Bills (2015)
• Baltimore Ravens (2016)*
• New York Giants (2016–present)
* Offseason and/or practice squad member only
November 30th, 2016 at 12:51 pm
Glennon take notice.
You’ve been in the system for the 3yrs now – and It fits U perfect.
You can make alot money- as a quality backup QB in the NFL.
So don’t become another Josh Johnson.
November 30th, 2016 at 12:57 pm
If he bolts – I would call Seattle Seahawks.
Concerning trade compensation for QB Trevone Boykins.
November 30th, 2016 at 1:04 pm
LVB:
That’s a great thought but I have to believe that the Hawks wabt to retain him as a junior varsity version of Wilson…
November 30th, 2016 at 1:06 pm
Glennon should listen to Joe. Joe is a QB expert after all…
November 30th, 2016 at 1:06 pm
3 yrs? Try 27 games. 1.7 yrs if you are equating to 12 month cycles. Football months is lower. Again though.. nice try.
November 30th, 2016 at 1:11 pm
JonBuc
True – but I’ve seen some surprising trades around draft time.
So if we lose Glennon – I wouldn’t be shocked if we acquired either…
…Boykins or Cardale Jones
November 30th, 2016 at 1:15 pm
“most said that DM22 was a 4-to 5 million year running back and how did that turn out!!!!”
I never thought we’d get him that cheap. I figured $7-8 and was fine with paying it. It’s pretty obvious the offense clicks a lot better with him in it. But the top of the RB market at the time was like $8-10 million (unless you include AP who was $14 million).
The top of the QB backup market is Chase Daniels basically at $7 million which everyone thought was crazy when it happened. The next in like is Josh McCown at $4.5 or RGIII at $7.5 but he was signed to start. People signed to be backups typically are $2-4 million. The team has to think you have starter potential to give more.
We’d basically be giving MG one of the best backup QB deals in recent history if we pay him $7 per year; whereas the Martin deal was more in line with his peers.
November 30th, 2016 at 1:23 pm
You guys need to lay off the Joes on Johny Football, it’s no love like this site was the only place singing his praise. He was a high risk high reward player, turns out the risk side won in Cleveland. Joe was equally as excited about Winston, who many also believed a high risk high reward pick. Looks like that one is working out. No one has a crystal ball. Get over the Johny issue.
November 30th, 2016 at 1:25 pm
Glennon is a stud ans will be a solid starter somewhere else next year
November 30th, 2016 at 1:33 pm
it’s a bit of a fallacy to be looking at the top of the backup market. Glennon and his agent will be targeting – at an absolute minimum – “prove-it” starter money in the $8 to 10 million range earned by guys like Tyrod Taylor and Ryan Fitzpatrick.
and i don’t think it’s unreasonable to get into the low teens if you are talking to a team with lots of cap room and no good answers at QB. this year’s draft class is not being celebrated for its QB quality
Heck, even a solid team with an older starter like the Chiefs or Cardinals presents MG with more career upside and relevance
Mike Glennon is not going to agree to a backup QB salary until the whole league has demonstrated it is not interested in paying him as a likely or eventual starter
November 30th, 2016 at 1:41 pm
Pick6. Fitzpatrick has a better resume than Glennon, not sure if that’s a good comparison but I agree with that ou regardless.
November 30th, 2016 at 1:51 pm
I have been saying this all along about Glennon, but I caveat it that I think they need to lock him up whether or not the Bucs finish on the “up” this year. Especially it’s been clear to me (and probably Glennon) that he is indeed a bottom tier starter and he has to see guys like Josh Johnson going from city to city year after year. Pay me $10M to hold a clipboard? Oh yeah. the good thing is there may still even be day where if Glennon wants to risk it, in say five even eight years, he can do the Josh McKown circuit….or QUIT FOOTBALL YOUNG and UN-CONCUSSED and go use his master’s degree.
November 30th, 2016 at 2:02 pm
Scott clearly needs a drug test.
November 30th, 2016 at 2:04 pm
There is little reason for anyone to outbid us for Mike as a backup except if they have a QB with only a year or so left.
Most teams needing a starter have already addressed that or soon will in the draft.
I can understand why teams didn’t want to part with a mid to high draft pick for him because draft picks are more precious than money.
It’s hard for me to see anyone giving him more than $5 mil for his services…..perhaps a 3-year $15 million contract with half of that guaranteed.
November 30th, 2016 at 2:14 pm
Oh he gone
November 30th, 2016 at 2:17 pm
“Mike Glennon is not going to agree to a backup QB salary until the whole league has demonstrated it is not interested in paying him as a likely or eventual starter”
I agree. My figures on backups were based on what I think the Bucs should be willing to pay him; and goes back to my original thinking: We should only sign him for the right price. If he doesn’t want to take typical backup QB money then let him test the market and if he gets starter money then we get a draft pick.
November 30th, 2016 at 2:22 pm
Houston Texans that is all. Ty
November 30th, 2016 at 2:39 pm
Josh McCown has made $5M+ each of the last 3 years. I think many would say that Glennon > McClown – so……
November 30th, 2016 at 2:45 pm
Doubt that Glennon with re-sign with the Bucs, unless he looks around in free agency and finds no real offers for starting QB opportunity (and starters $$$). Guess is that someone will be willing to pay him more than Bucs will. Bucs have kept Griffin on the active roster for a reason I think … they expect Glennon to move on. More than likely he will.
Noticed that Bucs have 29 players whose contracts expire after this year, of which 3 are now on IR. About half of that group I’d classify as starters who Bucs ‘must re-sign’ (guys like Gholston, Anger, Brate, Humphries, Jude, Shepherd, Daryl Smith, McDouglad, Hawley). Several others I think Bucs will re-sign for depth if nothing else (Myers, Conte, Akeem Spence, Shorts, Jack Smith, Siliga, Russell, Rodgers, Griffin). That makes at least 18 guys to re-sign, maybe more. Several (like Will Gholston) will be expecting a sizable pay increase, and they should get it. Jason Licht is going to have his work cut out for him this next offseason.
November 30th, 2016 at 2:55 pm
I would think the Bucs have a slim to no F’ing way chance of retaining Glennon for anything less than offering him a starting QB gig (obviously, barring a career ending injury to Jameis, ain’t happening in Tampa). MG8 in his mid-late 30’s…maybe he takes a low ball offer to remain in Tampa as a backup QB. At 26 a NFL QB is starting to hit his prime years, you’re high on bath salts if you don’t believe (1) Mike will test FA waters for a payday and a chance to be “the guy”, and (2) there is a QB needy team willing to pony up $6 million or more a year guaranteed for a QB that has shown he has some qualities NFL teams covet.
November 30th, 2016 at 2:56 pm
“Joe believes Glennon is smart enough to realize the following:
1. He’s not good enough to be anything but a bottom tier NFL starter”
Whaaaat?! I agree with all of your other points, Joe. But that is a bit much to assume. If the guy wants to compete and start somewhere else how can you fault him? I hope he goes and tries, regardless of it “hurting” this franchise. How will anyone ever truly know if he could do it or not?
November 30th, 2016 at 5:28 pm
Offered without comment:
Glennon (18.5 games): 30 TDs (4.8%) and 15 INTs (2.4%) = 1.62 TDs/game
Winston (27 games) : 44 TDs (4.7%) and 26 INTs ( 2.8%) = 1.63 TDs/game
D. Carr (43 games): 75 TDs (4.7%) and 30 INTs (1.9%) = 1.74 TDs/game
B.Bortles (41 games): 66 TDs (4.3%) and 48 INTs (3.2%) = 1.61 TDs/game
Osweiler (~32 games): 23 TDs (3.9%) and 19 INTs (2.7%) = not as good
Bridgewater(29 games): 28 TDs (3.3%) and 21 INTs (2.5%) = 0.96 TDs/game
Mariota (24 games): 44 TDs (5.9%) and 18 INTs (2.4%) = 1.83 TDs/game
Note: The percentages above are the percent of passes resulting in TDs, and similarly the percent of passes resulting in INTs, of the total number thrown.
Still, it is definitely a TEAM game, so ask yourself which of our QBs have had the better supporting cast.
tickrdr
Note to tmaxcon: Congrats! You’re still the biggest hater on JBF.
November 30th, 2016 at 5:50 pm
Bortles & Glennon are king of garbage time stats lol. So many Bortles TDs have come while training by 14 or 21 points. Same with Glennon. just go look at his rookie year and all the blowouts
November 30th, 2016 at 5:56 pm
more fun stats
Glennon: 5-14
Winston: 12-15
Winston also has the least YAC help in the entire league this year. 66% of his pass yards have come in the air; compared to 52% for Carr since his WRs are getting way more YAC.
November 30th, 2016 at 7:11 pm
Joe forgets the thing these players have that is the main reason they reached this level… competitive nature. Plus, money is a non-issue – he would get just as much if not MORE to be someone else’s starter with just as much guaranteed money if not more.
What Glennon doesn’t want to be is old and sitting in his front porch rocking chair wondering “what if” – had he gotten another shot as a starter. He won’t have to this coming offseason. There is zero chance he stays and zero chance he doesn’t get paid somewhere else.
November 30th, 2016 at 7:17 pm
@tickrdr
It’s easy to play the stat game and leave out the most telling stats… apply Jameis rushing yds and rushing TDS and add Glennon’s as well… notice a difference. Now lets factor PASSING YARDS. And yards per attempt which is a stat most number crunchers use to determine real worth. Jameis wins both of those in a landslide and is competing at historic levels for a 22 year old.
Glennon, at best, is a poor / poor / impoverished man’s Alex Smith. Captain checkdown. My suggestion to the Glennon mob is to move and follow whatever team he goes to. Have fun.
November 30th, 2016 at 7:36 pm
At least two types of teams will want to sign Glennon: 1) teams with poor records with a glaring need for a starting QB and will most definitely overpay and 2) good teams whose starters are close to retirement and are looking for an heir apparent. In the first category, he might not want to go to a re-building team like Jacksonville, Chicago, or Cleveland. In the latter category, I wouldn’t want him going to New Orleans (Drew Brees will be 38 years old next year).
November 30th, 2016 at 9:46 pm
None of you know what he’ll get offered ! Look what Brock got from the Texans and I would take Glennon over him any day! You people love bashing our players I feel most of you hate the Bucs!
November 30th, 2016 at 10:17 pm
Waste of money. If Glennon is a bottom tier QB in the NFL then what good is he? Why pay him 10 mil when you can get a guy in a rookie contract to do the same thing? If Winston goes down and we have a good team that is in the playoffs, I have no confidence in glennon to win us a game, just like you wouldn’t expect case Keemun to win a playoff game for you. I would actually feel more comfortable with a random rookie QB. I’ve seen what captain checkdown can do. And I not a fan. No need to waste cap space on a guy you don’t want to ever play, and that isn’t even good enough when he does play.
If glennon came back for like 2 mil per year, then that would ok, but not for what he would be asking. I’m sure he is setting his price tag around Brock Osweiler type money, and will negotiate down from there. No way should the bucs pay him anything close to that.
November 30th, 2016 at 10:40 pm
Mike glennon? San Diego has a nice zoo and giraffes but what does glennon topic have to do with our quest to make the playoffs?
I m gone for a few days and this place has turn into a zoo!
Threads about mike glennon and marcus mariota? Really?
What the hell is going on around here! (Always wanted to say that)
Has there been any threads about phillip rivers? He is the afc version of brees and they score 28 pts per game
Sunday, we will be flatter than my pancake rear end
December 1st, 2016 at 8:24 am
I don’t know about the low $$$ so many are sure Glennon can be signed for. Fitzpatrick got the Jets to pay him, what, $11M? And Glennon is definitely better than Fitz. HOWEVER, this year there is likely to be a glut of QBs available: Romo, Cutler, Fitz (lol), etc. Glennon is going to have a hard time competing with those guys in the open market. It will be interesting.
December 1st, 2016 at 8:33 am
What a joke! Mike Glennon is light years better than Josh McClown. Any true Buc fan knows it. He was drafted because he came from the same college background as Russell Wilson. He will definitely test the FA market. He owes himself that much.